So once I planned to root and got into XDA, I always read "INTERNATIONAL ONLY, AT&T ONLY ..ETC ONLY"
Why? Why does the recovery differ from INT and AT&T and sprint and all those other variables? Why can't we boot a rom for the INT to other variants and vice versa?
I know that it belongs to CID (i think?) But why? How is that CID set? And what's different between each CID and the other?
Thanks you guys
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Processor is not the same ...
Aren't they all Tegra 3? As far as I know it's the chipset and processor or am I mistaken?
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They're both Tegra 3, radio and partitioning are different (don't know about anything else)
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The international and AT&T version, have different radio hardware. The international one uses the Tegra 3 inbuilt radio hardware where as the AT&T version uses a quallcomm 4G radio chip. Because of the different hardware the devices require a different kernel, thats also why they need different recoveries, because a recovery is basically built from the kernel.
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The international and AT&T version, have different radio hardware. The international one uses the Tegra 3 inbuilt radio hardware where as the AT&T version uses a quallcomm 4G radio chip. Because of the different hardware the devices require a different kernel, thats also why they need different recoveries, because a recovery is basically built from the kernel.
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Quite useful for a new fish like me. Thank you so much for your explanation now I understand quite well
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The international and AT&T version, have different radio hardware. The international one uses the Tegra 3 inbuilt radio hardware where as the AT&T version uses a quallcomm 4G radio chip. Because of the different hardware the devices require a different kernel, thats also why they need different recoveries, because a recovery is basically built from the kernel.
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^THIS when i owned both devices i herp derped and flashed the wrong recovery I HAD TO RE-RUU
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I am interested in picking up this phone when it launches on Verizon, but I have not owned any Galaxy device before so I'm wondering how ROM development works. Is it carrier specific and I can only get ROMs for the device on my carrier? I see that the S3 is launching with some versions having 2gb RAM, etc, so just wondering which ROMs I can use. I see that there are a ton of different versions for the S2 so its along those lines. Thanks for your response.
In common it is not carrier, but network specific. The lte versions use another board with a dual core, weaker gpu and 2 gb ram.
For sure roms for the international version won't work there, except it is multi device and also made for the different board.
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So in the case of the S3, all the LTE versions of the phone will be able to use the same ROMS? It seems this is a new problem "development fragmentation"
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So in the case of the S3, all the LTE versions of the phone will be able to use the same ROMS? It seems this is a new problem "development fragmentation"
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its not new
Has anyone tried international version of gs 3 on T-Mobile USA? If so did u get hspa + speed?
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Has anyone tried international version of gs 3 on T-Mobile USA? If so did u get hspa + speed?
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Not possible unless you are in a trial area where tmo are testing 1900mhz freq for 3g.
If you aren't there is no way due to hardware.
The intl version doesn't have 1700mhz.
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This was on the same page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1713040
What is up with all the Tmo questions and international gs3? just get the Tmo version.. its cheaper and it support your bands..
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What is up with all the Tmo questions and international gs3? just get the Tmo version.. its cheaper and it support your bands..
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Everyone asks this with EVERY international Samsung phone. You would think people would learn sooner or later.
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What is up with all the Tmo questions and international gs3? just get the Tmo version.. its cheaper and it support your bands..
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Because we want the European quadcore. Just because t-mobile thinks U.S consumers are too dumb and too poor to know the difference or afford it, does not mean all of us are.
If the hardware is capable then all you need is a software radio flash.
So far rumors are all the radio ICs are the same.
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Because we want the European quadcore. Just because t-mobile thinks U.S consumers are too dumb and too poor to know the difference or afford it, does not mean all of us are.
If the hardware is capable then all you need is a software radio flash.
So far rumors are all the radio ICs are the same.
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The hardware isn't capable, joshnichols above has the intl version on tmo and gets edge speeds.
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Because we want the European quadcore. Just because t-mobile thinks U.S consumers are too dumb and too poor to know the difference or afford it, does not mean all of us are.
If the hardware is capable then all you need is a software radio flash.
So far rumors are all the radio ICs are the same.
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First, do you think it is some kind of conspiracy to keep you from having a powerful phone? THE SOC DOES NOT SUPPORT IT.
Second, if you think four cores is automatically better than two cores, I suggest you do some research.
You also have no idea what a radio is. There is a software radio, and there is a physical chip. The physical chip in the international S3 DOES NOT SUPPORT THE TMOBILE AWS BANDS, and it never will.
They also cost the same so I have no idea where price comes into this.
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Just order the sim card of Straight Talk website and youll be fine...I get H+ and love my speeds...but drop the contract unless you got LTE but H+ is perfect for me and only at 45 montly....Love it..
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Just order the sim card of Straight Talk website and youll be fine...I get H+ and love my speeds...but drop the contract unless you got LTE but H+ is perfect for me and only at 45 montly....Love it..
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If you do go this route, be wary that Straight Talk offers both AT&T and T-Mobile sim cards. If you get a T-Mobile one you will NOT get HSPA+
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First, do you think it is some kind of conspiracy to keep you from having a powerful phone? THE SOC DOES NOT SUPPORT IT.
Second, if you think four cores is automatically better than two cores, I suggest you do some research.
You also have no idea what a radio is. There is a software radio, and there is a physical chip. The physical chip in the international S3 DOES NOT SUPPORT THE TMOBILE AWS BANDS, and it never will.
They also cost the same so I have no idea where price comes into this.
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That is an uncalled for response. Based on my early reading the international version is using a chip capable of oscillating at the higher frequencies. I was also toold it is the exact same radio IC used in the t-mobile version, just like the skyrocket can be made to work on t-mobile after painfull modification.
For you to automatically assume and publicly state that my knowledge regarding a technology is limited is foul and absurd.
If i was incorrect on the IC specs then by all means feel free to correct me, but please site your source of information and be polite and professional.
Further, isn't the four core version using the same processor class / architecture?
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The dualcore uses a Qualcomm-sourced ARM-A15 while the quadcore uses a Samsung-developed ARM-A9, both with heavy modifications to the standard platform.
So there are actually differences in performance in regard to certain tasks but since games, flash and other ressource-hogs usually only use up to 2 cores there is no real disadvantage in everyday usage even if synthetic benchmarks make you believe otherwise.
Usually -as is and was also true for desktop computers, laptops and servers- it's the storage, RAM, and bandwith that are the bottlenecks.
And at least in terms of Ram the Us-Version got an advantage.
I'm not sure about the SoC but wasn't the whole point of Samsung not integrating the radio in the SoC that they could easily pair it with different radio chips? All it would've taken in that case is a different baseband processor, amplifier and antenna - not a whole new CPU arch which happens to include LTE
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That is an uncalled for response. Based on my early reading the international version is using a chip capable of oscillating at the higher frequencies. I was also toold it is the exact same radio IC used in the t-mobile version, just like the skyrocket can be made to work on t-mobile after painfull modification.
For you to automatically assume and publicly state that my knowledge regarding a technology is limited is foul and absurd.
If i was incorrect on the IC specs then by all means feel free to correct me, but please site your source of information and be polite and professional.
Further, isn't the four core version using the same processor class / architecture?
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Oh so you need sources from me but you don't have to cite your own? I may have been harsh but there was a thread on the same page as this one and the people asking in this thread hadn't even bothered to look for information, but to call you out was wrong.
In any case, the four core version uses a cortex A9 compared to the two core version using a cortex A15. The architecture is ARM, yes but when it comes to the SoC as a whole the Exynos SoC has never supported AWS. I'm not saying it is not possible for it to reach the higher frequencies as you said, but it is not a conspiracy by any means. Both are great SoCs, but the fact is the exynos does not and will not support AWS.
Also the Skyrocket modifications are not painful, as far as I know just like the AT&T Note you just flash a radio to enable the bands. The problem is the exynos SoC does not have the bands necessary.
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Oh so you need sources from me but you don't have to cite your own? I may have been harsh but there was a thread on the same page as this one and the people asking in this thread hadn't even bothered to look for information, but to call you out was wrong.
In any case, the four core version uses a cortex A9 compared to the two core version using a cortex A15. The architecture is ARM, yes but when it comes to the SoC as a whole the Exynos SoC has never supported AWS. I'm not saying it is not possible for it to reach the higher frequencies as you said, but it is not a conspiracy by any means. Both are great SoCs, but the fact is the exynos does not and will not support AWS.
Also the Skyrocket modifications are not painful, as far as I know just like the AT&T Note you just flash a radio to enable the bands. The problem is the exynos SoC does not have the bands necessary.
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I never made an authoritative statement, simply gave my reason for desiring the quad core based on my beliefs. You are correct I should have been more clear, but let us both make peace as we are both members of an educated class.
Thank you for that information, so letme all you guys, what is the superior platform in your opinions.
And do you know if the at&t version will work on t-mobile with a radio flash as it seems to be cheaper.
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I never made an authoritative statement, simply gave my reason for desiring the quad core based on my beliefs. You are correct I should have been more clear, but let us both make peace as we are both members of an educated class.
Thank you for that information, so letme all you guys, what is the superior platform in your opinions.
And do you know if the at&t version will work on t-mobile with a radio flash as it seems to be cheaper.
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Yes, I believe it will. That is how it is for the Skyrocket and Note. However I hear the Note gets AWFUL battery with a T-Mobile radio
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Yes, I believe it will. That is how it is for the Skyrocket and Note. However I hear the Note gets AWFUL battery with a T-Mobile radio
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Good, I suppose the next question would be: what are the diffrences between the at&t version and the t-mobile.
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Good, I suppose the next question would be: what are the diffrences between the at&t version and the t-mobile.
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The logo on the back and a few minor software tweaks.
Just wondering what the differences are. I mean isn't it the same hardware other than the radio? Why aren't the roms compatible? Just wondering don't crucify me plz
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Just wondering what the differences are. I mean isn't it the same hardware other than the radio? Why aren't the roms compatible? Just wondering don't crucify me plz
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The radio is the only major difference, unlike the original HOX vs ATT HOX which had a processor change as well.
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Yep the only H/W diffrence is the radio. Although the two devices do have diffrent kernels too.
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Yep the only H/W diffrence is the radio. Although the two devices do have diffrent kernels too.
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Now I know nothing about how roms work, but couldnt we just flash an international Rom and an att kernel?
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I'm thinking not because there are lots of little diffrences between the roms. For starters on the one x devices, the radio and .ril are in the /system/ partition, and flashed with the rom. The build.prop is diffrent. And i'm sure there is more that someone with more ability than me. Could point out
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I'm thinking not because there are lots of little diffrences between the roms. For starters on the one x devices, the radio and .ril are in the /system/ partition, and flashed with the rom. The build.prop is diffrent. And i'm sure there is more that someone with more ability than me. Could point out
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This is what I thought, I'm curious to how hard it would be to port over a international ROM to an att one x+
If the only major difference is the ril, build.prop, and kernel then it should be fairly simple
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This is what I thought, I'm curious to how hard it would be to port over a international ROM to an att one x+
If the only major difference is the ril, build.prop, and kernel then it should be fairly simple
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Yeah, this is what I'm thinking of. I can be a bit nerdy wouldn't mind poking around see how some of this stuff works. Funny I know nothing about the roms I flash on my phones and how they work since my HTC 8525 back in 06 lol, never got curious on how it actually all worked until now.
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If you end up poking around and try to do a port, please keep us updated on your progress.
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Is there a significant software difference or what?
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The software and hardware is 100% identical except for different radios. Which I think is the reason for the separation.
I think you misunderstood .. They normally separate the forums when there is a significant hardware difference and flashing wrong versions rom could brick your device. AT&T one x and international one x is a great example. AT&T was Qualcomm and international was Tegra. Tegra roms brick Qualcomm phones... Separate forums needed!
I think they just jumped the gun on this split...probably combine them once everything is verified interchangeable. At lleast I would hope they would.
Agree. Best to keep them separate for now, but it looks like they can be combined due to the same models. Best to be sure tho.
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I really hope they do recombine them otherwise the dev support won't be there %100
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All the One devices that are GSM/LTE are M7_UL. All 3G only One devices are M7_U. Then you have Sprint and Verizon off in their own little world or something.
I successfully flashed Android Revolution HD. LTE works
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They should combine the HTC One forums. Hardware is totally 100% identical even for the radios chips. Except of the Asian version which they didn't even seperate at all. There are alot of other phones on the request thread that deserves a spot than this bloated AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint & International version of HTC One forums which is not even necessary at all. This would just reduce the chances of questions from other users being answered.
I believe this is the same hardware and when ever yall get s-off and supercid then they should combine the forums.
This is kinda like mt tmobile htc sensaton. Witch in that point with super cid all htc sensations were the same. And we didnt had to worry about flashing another sensation rom from international. but the thread is only one thread for all htc sensation in the world. There is no tmobile,canadan's,international or the one with beats they all were the same
Ok, so I've been scouring the forums, and I think I am clear, but I am just wanting to clarify.
Is the only difference, the one causing the two roms to not be compatible, between the ATT/Telus HOX+ and the Intl. HOX+ the LTE capability?
If so, is it a completely different chip, or does it just have the LTE capabilities unlocked on it?
From what I know, LTE is not supported in Nvidia Tegra 3. However, it is available in Snapdragons. And only HOX (not plus) models which were released in America are shipped with a Snapdragon chipset.
Yea I'm curious as the att hox+ has lte I believe and the Roms are incompatible.
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