Right.....
So thanks to @Style68 and his ingenuity (See thread) there is a simple method to creating your own case for the Xperia Z Ultra that fits the QX10/100... EXCELLENT!!
But what I'm wondering is will you buy a lens now knowing you can have a case that fits the lens?? (I'm guessing yes.. )
But more importantly, which lens will you buy?? So here's what we know...
Even though the QX100 has a sensor that is 4 times bigger than the QX10, and would take great photos in almost any lighting condition, it wont take RAW images.. so I can't really see it bing used as it was intended. And that price!!
- is this massive price increase something you would still consider??
For me I instantly want the best... however for a prosumer camera, I would still use my DSLR for those great images. So I think i'll still go for the QX10.. What will you do?
Similarly if you own either the Q10 or Q100 let us know what you've purchased, and how its worked out. Hopefully this thread will help us out as what to buy...
Thanks hamdogg. I was wondering about the RAW image format. Is it possible for Sony to update it's firmaware or software to support RAW?
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Thanks hamdogg. I was wondering about the RAW image format. Is it possible for Sony to update it's firmaware or software to support RAW?
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Thanks for your post buddy!! Its gonna help a lot of us out.
Yeah I don't see Sony doing that. a single RAW image would take 10-20mb of space, and transferring that to the device after taking a snap would take too long. I think thats what Sony are considering.
Novice users probably wouldn't use RAW, so I'd still love to see Sony have the option...
QX10 sensor is the same as Z1, correct? I'm thinking of getting QX10 as well, since I already have the RX100.
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QX10 sensor is the same as Z1, correct? I'm thinking of getting QX10 as well, since I already have the RX100.
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The Z1 has a 27mm equivalent fixed lens, a fast aperture of F2, 20.7 megapixel 1/2.3-type Exmor RS image sensor.
The QX10 has a 35mm, 10x zoom lens, faster aperture of F3.3 20.7 megapixel 1/2.3-inch Exmor RS image sensor.
So while they have the same Exmor RS sensor, the QX10 has more lens diameter, better aperture for low light / colour depth / reduced noise.
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The Z1 has a 27mm equivalent fixed lens, a fast aperture of F2, 20.7 megapixel 1/2.3-type Exmor RS image sensor.
The QX10 has a 35mm, 10x zoom lens, faster aperture of F3.3 20.7 megapixel 1/2.3-inch Exmor RS image sensor.
So while they have the same Exmor RS sensor, the QX10 has more lens diameter, better aperture for low light / colour depth / reduced noise.
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I think you've gotten a bit confused -
Focal Length
The Z1 has a 27mm fixed lens which means it is a wider angle lens than the QX10's 35mm. In English this means it will have a wider viewing angle allowing you to fit more people into your shot when you take photos indoors in small spaces.
Winner: Z1
Low Light Performance
The Z1 has a f2.0 lens which means it allows more light through to the sensor than the QX10's f3.3 lens.
I presume that the ISO settings are pretty much the same but the QX10 may have a slight advantage. But based on the aperture of the lens alone the Z1 has the advantage.
Winner: Z1
Composure Flexibility
The key advantage of the QX10 is the 10x optical zoom lens. This allows you to zoom in and out to get the right composure without having to move your feet. It also allows you to get in close to the action where it may not be physically possible to reach with the Z1.
Winner: QX10
I'm definitely not saying the Z1 is better than the QX10 as my gut feeling is that the QX10 has better optics (lenses) than the Z1. The Z1 does have 'G' quality glass lenses which I believe is Sony's pro-grade camera lens - perhaps equivalent to Canon's L-series (I'm not sure on this though). It would be great to see side by side comparisons of the photos from both of these devices to really know what's better. But for us Xperia Z Ultra users our choices to improve our photo taking ability are limited. Personally I've bought a wifi SD card for my digital cameras to allow me to use a real camera to take photos and then transfer them wirelessly to my phone. I'm waiting on my card to be delivered but will let you know how it goes once I get it.
I'd rather save for a Fuji X100s if I'm gonna be carrying a separate camera. Because let's face it the QX is a separate camera with no viewfinder or lcd screen shaped like a lens.
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I'd rather save for a Fuji X100s if I'm gonna be carrying a separate camera. Because let's face it the QX is a separate camera with no viewfinder or lcd screen shaped like a lens.
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It's all about size. I can stick the QX100 in my jacket pocket and not worry about using a carrying case. Any phone that equals in quality is too big to just stick in your pocket. I don't care that it takes a little time to get it ready because I usually take it with me when it is planned that I will take pictures.
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It's all about size. I can stick the QX100 in my jacket pocket and not worry about using a carrying case. Any phone that equals in quality is too big to just stick in your pocket. I don't care that it takes a little time to get it ready because I usually take it with me when it is planned that I will take pictures.
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You have a point. However there are other better alternative though like the Ricoh GR, or X10, or RX100. At least those alternatives taken better pictures than the QX.
Just ordered one
1saleaday has it on sale for $199 and free shipping and there's no tax on top, so i decided to order one
http://1sale.com/electronics/cameras-video/sony/
it'll take about two weeks to get delivered to me (in time for thanksgiving), once i get it, i'll post my user review and opinion
I just got back form an exercise, used a friends Galaxy S4 and my recently arrived QX10... here are the images.
(have been resized) Couldn't use my Ultra, as its not back yet...
Amazing difference!!
Galaxy S4 (i9505)
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I just got back form an exercise
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You make us look bad! You're jumping out of planes while we're sitting here mastrubating to the Ultra GPE
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You make us look bad! You're jumping out of planes while we're sitting here mastrubating to the Ultra GPE
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I'll trade ya... 6 weeks with your Ultra for a Jump... or static line :victory:
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I'll trade ya... 6 weeks with your Ultra for a Jump... or static line :victory:
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Hmm, i'm afraid of hights, so you'll have to drug me and throw me out of the plane. It'll look like first degree murder, but i'll allow it.
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Hmm, i'm afraid of hights, so you'll have to drug me and throw me out of the plane. It'll look like first degree murder, but i'll allow it.
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Got a better idea... jab ya with Benzodiazepine so you'll wake up half way into the descent. :laugh:
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Got a better idea... jab ya with Benzodiazepine so you'll wake up half way into the descent. :laugh:
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Just checked the flight prices. It'll cost me $1400 from Bergen to Wellington (one way with layover in Bangkok). Doesn't seem like a good deal :laugh: Although, the price is $240 from Bergen to Bangkok in march Maybe i'll take a night out in Bangkok and end up with a tattoo on my face!
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Just checked the flight prices. It'll cost me $1400 from Bergen to Wellington (one way with layover in Bangkok). Doesn't seem like a good deal :laugh: Although, the price is $240 from Bergen to Bangkok in march Maybe i'll take a night out in Bangkok and end up with a tattoo on my face!
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Did you jump together with QX10? lol
Made a case based on Style68's thread. Pretty easy to make, and now I just need my Ultra back.
Being held up in customs, but they shouldn't charge me import tax as its being sent as a replacement...
Anyway... here is the video on how to make a case for the Ultra and QX10
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Made a case based on Style68's thread. Pretty easy to make, and now I just need my Ultra back.
Being held up in customs, but they shouldn't charge me import tax as its being sent as a replacement...
Anyway... here is the video on how to make a case for the Ultra and QX10
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Great video!!
Related
Haven't seen any picture or mention of supporting phones/tablets this big, and I'm worried the extending arms on the lens don't go that far out.
I'm waiting to see what the image quality of these lenses is like, but if it's decent enough, I may sell my Samsung NX20 and lenses for one or both and have some money left over.
Unfortunately, the answer is no, this phone is too wider, xz and xz1 compatible with that camera.
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Unfortunately, the answer is no, this phone is too wider, xz and xz1 compatible with that camera.
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Actually it work with the XZU, but can't be attached on the phone. Just can hope sony make an adaptator for the XZU. It can be use with many android devices (some test show it working on galaxy s3/4 and htc one)
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"However, Sony’s documentation says it maxes out at 75mm of clamp width, meaning super-giant phones like the Xperia Z Ultra may be a smidge too big."
God damn it, Sony
I seem to recall somebody posting a picture of the QX10/100 attached to a Tablet Z...
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I seem to recall somebody posting a picture of the QX10/100 attached to a Tablet Z...
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Yup, me too. I have no idea where i saw it though. It may have been on Youtube.
In this youtube review they say that a Note 2 is too wide for the mechanism that attaches the QX10/0 to the smartphone.
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Yup, me too. I have no idea where i saw it though. It may have been on Youtube.
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I saw it too. Anyway sony like to make extra accessories, make win more money.
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Not EXACTLY fitting the discussion here .........
Juts received my DSC-QX100 3 hours ago. Setting it up is just a matter of minutes. Adapter does NOT fit the ZU (but will on Z1 which should be delivered tomorrow).
I will use it mainly professionally (medical recording) and for this - after the first some test pics - this cam is phenomenal.
Actually I wonder if I would attach it at all to a phone since the freedom to position the cam anywhere but still have full control via ZU is a complete new photo-taking experience. I will report more once I have some days of experience .........
( I am NO professional photographer, so my expectancy is to get quickly and easy super-sharp photos for teaching reasons, a superfast autofocus and a perfect zoom to the focus of interest, and so far DSC-QX100 seems to fulfill this task perfectly)
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Not EXACTLY fitting the discussion here .........
Juts received my DSC-QX100 3 hours ago. Setting it up is just a matter of minutes. Adapter does NOT fit the ZU (but will on Z1 which should be delivered tomorrow).
I will use it mainly professionally (medical recording) and for this - after the first some test pics - this cam is phenomenal.
Actually I wonder if I would attach it at all to a phone since the freedom to position the cam anywhere but still have full control via ZU is a complete new photo-taking experience. I will report more once I have some days of experience .........
( I am NO professional photographer, so my expectancy is to get quickly and easy super-sharp photos for teaching reasons, a superfast autofocus and a perfect zoom to the focus of interest, and so far DSC-QX100 seems to fulfill this task perfectly)
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Congrats! Please post some photos here when you have the time
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Not EXACTLY fitting the discussion here .........
Juts received my DSC-QX100 3 hours ago. Setting it up is just a matter of minutes. Adapter does NOT fit the ZU (but will on Z1 which should be delivered tomorrow).
I will use it mainly professionally (medical recording) and for this - after the first some test pics - this cam is phenomenal.
Actually I wonder if I would attach it at all to a phone since the freedom to position the cam anywhere but still have full control via ZU is a complete new photo-taking experience. I will report more once I have some days of experience .........
( I am NO professional photographer, so my expectancy is to get quickly and easy super-sharp photos for teaching reasons, a superfast autofocus and a perfect zoom to the focus of interest, and so far DSC-QX100 seems to fulfill this task perfectly)
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I'm a lil bit worried about the lag due to the wireless connectivity... please post about how long thr delay is..
Also, how much is it and where did you buy it? I'm really interested on this camera.. :sly:
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Sony Xperia Z ultra n Sony QX10
I have both the QX10 and Szu.
The camera can't attach to the phone as the attaching mechanism is not wide enough. I got a small mini tripod on ebay which has the camera on. So I just point and shoot away with the phone. Only nag I have about the camera is lack of manually being able to focus.but the Qx10. Addresses this issue. still the QX10 gets pretty good pictures and the video quality is good as well. If u are the type that makes YouTube videos, I sure recommend this camera. The amount of freedom and flexibility it gives you when you shoot videos is really nice.as being able to set ur phone or tablet down as a viewfinder makes recording a doodle.
Concerning lag on the ZU display:
There is certainly some lag caused by WiFi-transferral as I experienced in my tests yesterday evening, especially when the QX100 is moved very fast. I was afraid that this could harm the photo quality, but this is not the case. When QX100 is held constant there is (almost) no lag.
Pictures are ultrasharp even in very low light ( for tests and for my tasks to take medical pictures I set the QX100 to take pix at max res (20mpx))
I have some test pix (5MB each) taken at very low light at dawn yesterday evening. I attached them as .zips here (original shots)
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Concerning lag on the ZU display:
There is certainly some lag caused by WiFi-transferral as I experienced in my tests yesterday evening, especially when the QX100 is moved very fast. I was afraid that this could harm the photo quality, but this is not the case. When QX100 is held constant there is (almost) no lag.
Pictures are ultrasharp even in very low light ( for tests and for my tasks to take medical pictures I set the QX100 to take pix at max res (20mpx))
I have some test pix (5MB each) taken at very low light at dawn yesterday evening. I attached them as .zips here (original shots)
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Ooh, that looks good! Cool cat you got there, hehe
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Concerning lag on the ZU display:
There is certainly some lag caused by WiFi-transferral as I experienced in my tests yesterday evening, especially when the QX100 is moved very fast. I was afraid that this could harm the photo quality, but this is not the case. When QX100 is held constant there is (almost) no lag.
Pictures are ultrasharp even in very low light ( for tests and for my tasks to take medical pictures I set the QX100 to take pix at max res (20mpx))
I have some test pix (5MB each) taken at very low light at dawn yesterday evening. I attached them as .zips here (original shots)
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Oh love the quality of the pictures !!!
(PS nice pictures !)
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Concerning lag on the ZU display:
There is certainly some lag caused by WiFi-transferral as I experienced in my tests yesterday evening, especially when the QX100 is moved very fast. I was afraid that this could harm the photo quality, but this is not the case. When QX100 is held constant there is (almost) no lag.
Pictures are ultrasharp even in very low light ( for tests and for my tasks to take medical pictures I set the QX100 to take pix at max res (20mpx))
I have some test pix (5MB each) taken at very low light at dawn yesterday evening. I attached them as .zips here (original shots)
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Really impressive, feel like I'll jump on the QX10 as soon as I can.
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Got my DX100
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No it won't fit the XZU
Yes, the NFC makes it a breeze to startup.
Lag isn't bad at all when the camera isn't moving.
Very quick blog about unboxing and setting it up.
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Ooh, that looks good! Cool cat you got there, hehe
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Yeah ! Didn´t catch her when she´s walking around with her tongue hangig out like a mungo ..... :laugh:
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Really impressive, feel like I'll jump on the QX10 as soon as I can.
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You have to get QX 100 ! QX 10 is just a lens comparable to Z1´s integrated cam ! (which is also VERY impressive, got my Z1 just yesterday evening, still installing apps)
I am hoping Sony will come out with a case for the Z ultra similar to the SPA-ACX1/B for the Z.
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You have to get QX 100 ! QX 10 is just a lens comparable to Z1´s integrated cam ! (which is also VERY impressive, got my Z1 just yesterday evening, still installing apps)
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Saw several test and the QX10 is above the Z1. You can compare them only for the sensor, but actually the lens is far above Z1 quality and the JPEG compression as well. On the Z1 there is so much JPEG artifacts that doesn't exist with the QX10 and the luminosity gained with the QX10 make pictures look better. For the price of the QX100 I would take a compact Sony camera that give better results than it.
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http://www.technologytell.com/gadge...h-smaller-screen-and-tab-trio-tipped-for-mwc/
Quote:
"The Z2 Ultra, or however it ends up being called, will allegedly go a little smaller on screen real estate this time around, as it tries to more clearly set itself apart from conventional slates.
So we’re looking at a 6.2, maybe 6-incher, with Full or Quad HD resolution, possibly a souped-up battery (Z Ultra’s was pretty terrible), as well as water and dust protection. Any evidence to support all that? Just the word of a few insiders who’ve been right before.
It’s unclear though if the Z2 Ultra is indeed prepped for an MWC intro, as its predecessor is a measly six months old, but the good news is if Sony delays its launch, it might use the extra time to swap Z Ultra’s Snapdragon 800 SoC for an improved S805."
Any truth or just hot air?
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Battery life is good, 6 hours screen on time sometimes
And if they do that just means no more support from Sony
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waste of time. releasing it now wont improve performance enough!
At the best we'd get the same processor, bigger battery?? better camera...
My bet is that it will be released after a year of the Ultra being released. They certainly don't want to get apples reputation for releasing a new iPhone every quarter!
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"The Z2 Ultra, or however it ends up being called, will allegedly go a little smaller on screen real estate this time around, as it tries to more clearly set itself apart from conventional slates.
So we’re looking at a 6.2, maybe 6-incher, with Full or Quad HD resolution, possibly a souped-up battery (Z Ultra’s was pretty terrible), as well as water and dust protection. Any evidence to support all that? Just the word of a few insiders who’ve been right before.
It’s unclear though if the Z2 Ultra is indeed prepped for an MWC intro, as its predecessor is a measly six months old, but the good news is if Sony delays its launch, it might use the extra time to swap Z Ultra’s Snapdragon 800 SoC for an improved S805."
Any truth or just hot air?
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Time will tell, I'm extremely interested in what happens with the camera & battery next as these will be Deciding factors regarding my next Sony purchase...
Screw that one! I want this one It looks like a "zero bezel" Sony device, and it looks like pure sex. It's probably fake though, but i'm allowed to dream ain't i?
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nah, couldn't use a 0 bezel, us country bumpkins downunder have farmers hands - real hands
Well if sony decides to go smaller I'm no go. This is my wish. I would go to 6.5" smaller Bazel, better camera and battery and full throttle CPU and flash to use as flashlight and that is all I'm wishing.
Sony would not go anything lesser in terms of screen size for the successor as that will be meaningless.
We already have Z1 for the 5 incher, T2 Ultra for the 6 incher. Releasing Z1 Ultra in 6 inch will confuse the market.
Z Ultra family should remain in the 6.5" range to retain the existing market share of people who wants Ultra Screen.
That is the only reason I bought the Ultra, for the screen else, I would get the Z1 instead.
For speculation, I would want a Z1 Ultra to be 6.5", Snapdragon 805, 13MP camera (20MP would be nicer), 3GB Ram.
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waste of time. releasing it now wont improve performance enough!
At the best we'd get the same processor, bigger battery?? better camera...
My bet is that it will be released after a year of the Ultra being released. They certainly don't want to get apples reputation for releasing a new iPhone every quarter!
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apple? i think you meant samsung. lol
Why they dont bring great camera to Z2 Ultra
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Why they dont bring great camera to Z2 Ultra
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1stly the thickness don't permit a great camera
2ndly if they put a great camera into the Z Ultra then, it might affect the sales of Z1.
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1stly the thickness don't permit a great camera
2ndly if they put a great camera into the Z Ultra then, it might affect the sales of Z1.
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exactly!
Leechoonhwee said:
1stly the thickness don't permit a great camera
2ndly if they put a great camera into the Z Ultra then, it might affect the sales of Z1.
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exactly!
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Right on the money........
Leechoonhwee said:
1stly the thickness don't permit a great camera
2ndly if they put a great camera into the Z Ultra then, it might affect the sales of Z1.
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Seems like the S4 and Note 3 beating each other previous year because of all the more-or-less same feature set. But even if you equipped the Z2 Ultra with the old 13MP sensor of Xperia Z ones that would not eat Z1 market share i guess.. an extra 0.5mm of thickness with extra 500mAh and 13MP + flash + slightly smaller screen at 6.2 inch will be the best bet for the Z2 Ultra.
The law at Sony's design is always this:
Bigger screen, thinner it is, Smaller Screen, thicker it is. All that to improve the in-hand impression of the handset, so if Sony really goes down into 6.2 inch, i won't complain, because lets face it, 6.4inch already 100% fit into any pocket due to passport width reference. So the only way is down (plus the news of the new 2K screen at 6.2inch) but make it slightly thicker. if Sony wants to improve it into, let say, 6.6 inch in the same dimension of the Z Ultra, i'd imagine many things need to be shuffled like how the G2 was designed, with back buttons, thus breaking the omni balance design and losing the waterproof feature.
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Seems like the S4 and Note 3 beating each other previous year because of all the more-or-less same feature set. But even if you equipped the Z2 Ultra with the old 13MP sensor of Xperia Z ones that would not eat Z1 market share i guess.. an extra 0.5mm of thickness with extra 500mAh and 13MP + flash + slightly smaller screen at 6.2 inch will be the best bet for the Z2 Ultra.
The law at Sony's design is always this:
Bigger screen, thinner it is, Smaller Screen, thicker it is. All that to improve the in-hand impression of the handset, so if Sony really goes down into 6.2 inch, i won't complain, because lets face it, 6.4inch already 100% fit into any pocket due to passport width reference. So the only way is down (plus the news of the new 2K screen at 6.2inch) but make it slightly thicker. if Sony wants to improve it into, let say, 6.6 inch in the same dimension of the Z Ultra, i'd imagine many things need to be shuffled like how the G2 was designed, with back buttons, thus breaking the omni balance design and losing the waterproof feature.
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Exactly, however since the Ultra have already built a pool of users, it wouldn't hurt to include even a 20MP into the next successor.
If it gets smaller I won't buy it; I have no interest in a smaller screen after using this for as long as I have.
I'd like for them to make it thicker (So they can do the rest of this), and invest in a bigger battery, more internal storage (16GB on a media device like a phablet is absurd), put an LED light in the thing, and do a routine Screen/Processor update, such as the next Snapdragon iteration (The thing AFTER the current S805's that aren't being used yet but are complete), and making the bezels small enough to accomodate a full 6.5" screen.
If I were to get my absolute dream device, it would be all that, but it uses an actual SD card reader rather than a Micro; I find myself butting heads with 64GB now, but I wouldn't have that problem with 128GB (Or more deliciously those 256GB SD cards out there). Besides that, the incremental upgrades are all I really want.
And for that next device, I'd want them to create a cheaper case with their quality with a bigger battery but less overall size to it.
I personally don't want it to get any thicker. The only reason i tolerate its current size is because of its thinness. Also, they can make it smaller without shrinking the screen. There's quite a bit of bezel on the top and bottom of the Ultra.
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I personally don't want it to get any thicker. The only reason i tolerate its current size is because of its thinness. Also, they can make it smaller without shrinking the screen. There's quite a bit of bezel on the top and bottom of the Ultra.
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I'm still of the opinion that the thing is a little too thin for completely comfortable use; Not much so, since any case at all alleviates this, but it's noticeable. I'm not saying double the thickness or anything, but a little thicker so it's more comfortable to hold would be nice. Mostly, though, I just want them to increase the thickness so they CAN remove the bezels; I'm fairly confident that the only reason the bezels are there is because Sony wanted the claim of being the thinnest.
It's all good with me, as I'll most-likely miss this upgrade and go for the next one anyway, but my wish list would be:
MUCH smaller bezels. They could take 3CM of the height of this thing with no detriment to screen size, just by killing the bezels at the top/bottom.
A53/A57 SoC - The phone is fast enough really, but why not eh? I want to be able to mine at 100KH/s on my phone.
Same screen. Literally, the exact same one would be just fine with me.
That's it really. This is the best phone I've ever owned, but I must admit having used/owned it for months now it is a bit too tall. I can't lift my knees above hip-height with it in my pocket or it stabs me in the groin!
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It's all good with me, as I'll most-likely miss this upgrade and go for the next one anyway, but my wish list would be:
MUCH smaller bezels. They could take 3CM of the height of this thing with no detriment to screen size, just by killing the bezels at the top/bottom.
A53/A57 SoC - The phone is fast enough really, but why not eh? I want to be able to mine at 100KH/s on my phone.
Same screen. Literally, the exact same one would be just fine with me.
That's it really. This is the best phone I've ever owned, but I must admit having used/owned it for months now it is a bit too tall. I can't lift my knees above hip-height with it in my pocket or it stabs me in the groin!
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This is my thoughts exactly. I can't imagine using a smaller screen phone after getting used to this.
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I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it, and I haven't even tried 4k or other camera improvement mods. The only thing the HTC phones have on it is low light pictures, which I don't think most people do anyway.
The OIS helps a hell of a lot for someone like me that has a hand tremor that's really bad at times.
What's your opinion on the camera? I'd rather have my phone than a $200 point and shoot as long as I don't need to zoom.
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it's good under a lot of conditions, but very, very slow. Until you mod it. Then it's all around slick.
I've compared it to a Samsung Galaxy S4 and Lenovo Vibe Z camera (with f/1.8 lens) and both were less precise by a wide margin and frequently had pictures ruined by hand shaking.
The OIS doesn't just counteract the visible shaking; it reduces micro-shakes that blur your pictures without you noticing them. As a result the accuracy of this camera is about 3 megapixels higher than normal (my estimate).
All this being said, it's still a cellphone camera, so it has major flaws. It has only an f/2.4 aperture, which is mediocre for a high-end phone (though OIS counters it a bit by reducing subject-motion blur). Movement and low-light photos get ruined often. And I disagree that these aren't common conditions.
here's a quick demonstration and proof of the sharpness difference between Samsung Galaxy S4 and LG G2:
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the top pic is what the S4's pic looked like when it did NOT get blurred by hand shaking. most pictures turned out worse than that.
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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The stock camera is pretty good but I tried out Jishnu's cam mod and its great 4k is really beautiful though the 720p 120fps is very pixelated and imo not really usable. There's some features that are supposed to be included like HFR mode for front camera but I don't seem to have it for some reason.
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Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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It works for video and picture.
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I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441127
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2444609
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525655
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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I second that
for me lg g2 has good camera and ios. lg g3 will better
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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Are there some tips to be shared?
I can get some seriously crisp photos and then crap for awhile.
I'm still all stock and the focusing is the worst I have ever experienced, no joke. Really.
Good at day, horrible at low light.
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Good at day, horrible at low light.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were. HTC is definitely better at night but terrible at day. Sam used to black out completely when the light got even slightly dim. On my g2 it at least tries to get somewhat of a picture without relying on flash which makes pictures an ugly blue.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were.
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Thanks to optical stabilizer in G2 , I guess.
Can anyone compare it with the Nexus 5 camera experience?
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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heres an exampe of the terrible light intake of this phone. first image is on the lumai 920 in normal mode at 200 iso the second image is on the g2 in normal mode on 200 iso. itsblurry but thats notthe problem bother were taken at 730 ish am in the same spot , i just woke up please excuse the mess also this is daylight coming in from the window behind me the room light was off
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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well, I see your point, you want stock camera to point-and-shoot and make descent pix. and I want stock player to play Adobe flash w/o any hassles. and someone want G2 to play music loud in stereo with BoomSound. That's why xda exists, there was not made a phone to be perfect from the box. maybe you may want to try some 3rd party cameras like http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.hdr_plus
As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q
jonmorris said:
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.
I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).
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I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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davebugyi said:
This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.
vicusbass said:
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.
SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.
KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?
Here is a simple test with a simple printed paper I did with my camera and the S23U, the situation of the camera is much worse than the S23 because of the ISO and because is using the complete frame in the shot, so you see complete edge to edge lens sharpness
M6 MKII: ISO 500 @ 22mm f/5.6, image occupy the entire frame to better check edge to edge sharpness, you can see edge to edge sharpness, its a pity greedy Canon discontinued this fantastic travel camera...
S23U: ISO 50 @ 50mpx, not possible to occupy the entire frame because of the distance it does not focus, so part of the frame is occupied and this could be an advantage to the S23U but it is not in practice because just moving a bit from the center it loses sharpness a lot and even worse detail because of the heavy noise correction.
Versions in REALRAW and PRO: EXPERTRAW pictures are much sharper than PRO... Come on Samsung, what are you doing?
I did not post the 12mpx shot because is not a fair comparison and in this phone having the 50mpx option who will shot in 12mpx when using the normal lens...
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The files are in the attachment for the size and you can make a comparison on your screen, is easy to see why a camera make a big difference, much better sharpness edge to edge, much better detail compare to the S23U because S23U apply heavy noise correction in its sensor and the quality of lens edge to edge of the S23U is by far really bad like any camera phone.
This is a very very simple comparison because to be fair we need to buy the target, even if I shoot with the phone when I don't have my camera, I prefer to do all my travel and home videos with the phone.
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
blackhawk said:
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
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Just wanted to do it at ISO 500 as worst case, at ISO 100 it will be even better.
I added more shots with a bigger target printed in laser to fill the frame of the S23U, the shot of M6mkII is at ISO 3200 (no noise reduction) and the 12mpx and 50mpx of S23U with EXPERTRAW, the lens of S23U are not able to resolve correctly 50Mpx moving a little out from the center, much worse in higher mpxs, so this camera at 200mpx is useless because of the lenses not able to resolve and the noisy sensor.
If you check the chart, at 50Mpx the lens resolves well in the center, moving a bit from the center aberrations start to appear.
At 12mpx the lens resolution is acceptable center to border, with much less aberrations compared to 50mpx but still we see the cheap glass used.
This is a nice test to do in any phone to understand if the phone brands are able to resolve the mpx they promote, in the case of Samsung is able to resolve 50mpx in the center only.
M6 was shoot at ISO 3200 without noise reduction and it destroys the S23U camera in any aspect and the difference is pretty big. (we didn't include color rendition here because the situation of S23U could be much worse)
The pictures in the attachment
CONCLUSION: if you want to do simple point and shoots with low quality glass and a sensor with noticeable noise reduction, use the phone.
Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Correct and for the pleasure I have the M6, a real pleasure... everyone that likes photography should try a mirrorless DSLR in any brand they like to see the difference.
You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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Is my mistake, is EXPERTRAW not realraw, I corrected the original post.
For the people that want check sharpness and to do their own testing printing the chart, I will attach the PDF that is better printed in A3 or around that size.
It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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Honestly, it really depends on your needs. The best camera is the one you have with you.
I have a Canon R6 with a 70-200mm and other lenses but I definitely don't have this on me all the time while I have this phone with me at all times and so I still want to get the best out of it, hence why I also use a mix of stock cam 12mp, stock 50mp and GCAM.
Knowing the strengths and limitations of each tool / mode is how you can get better result. For example, using 50mp mode I frame more than I need so I can then crop and avoid part of the edge softness. Still end up with a file that's more detailed than the 12mp. For everyday though gcam 12mp is good enough.
But when I went to shoot at a friend's wedding of course the phone is out of the question and I used the R6. But when travelling and hiking, I challenged myself to travel light (got tired of carrying heavy gear around all the time) and managed to get very good results that did some very fine prints for our home. Again, I'm not selling my travel pictures online etc. So having the top quality isn't always necessary. In the end for social media sharing and small prints at home you should usually be fine with phone pictures.
It really depends on the intended purpose of your pictures (or willingness to carry heavy gear around) so I don't think it's fair to say that one is better than the other. In terms of pure quality of course dslr will win but there are many other considerations to be had.
Everyone knows a professional camera is going to take better pictures than any cell phone camera. So what's the point of all this? Nobody is gonna lug their main camera around with them everywhere they go. But the S23U does take greaat pictures at 12 mpx and with telephoto 3x and 10x. It also makes phone calls, has social media, stream movies and plays games which is something your DSLR will never be able to do. Nobody here bought the phone thinking they were getting a DSLR quality camera. I don't really give two chits because the phone does what its been designed to do. If you were expecting a DSLR in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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R in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
blackhawk said:
The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
PhilMorin said:
LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
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I've shot in Philly's bad sections. I hold it by the lens base next to my chest. Basically a 5# hammer. Rather slam it into someone's face than have it stolen. Jogging only works if you see them coming as they tend to be lazy
Had some bangers come up to me at a fair once. Turned out all they wanted to do is pose, that was interesting. Be friendly but be prepared...