Hey guys, just got my S4 and I'm really happy with it, but I'm just so lost with all of the locked boot loader things and Loki ect. I don't know where to start at all. I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask, if it is, could you guys point me in the right direction? Once again, sorry.
Thanks in advance!
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Hey guys, just got my S4 and I'm really happy with it, but I'm just so lost with all of the locked boot loader things and Loki ect. I don't know where to start at all. I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread to ask, if it is, could you guys point me in the right direction? Once again, sorry.
Thanks in advance!
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Best place to start is finding out what build you're on as options are limited to some degree depending upon that. I'm assuming you're going to be on one of the newer ones. Lemme know and we'll go from there bud.
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Unfortunately, I am on the newest build that came out. I had no idea that the bootloaders were locked until after I updated. I actually came from the S3 so I pretty much know the tools that I need and things like that but I have never ever heard of Loki before, all I know is its some type of makeshift work around for the bootloader.
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damnyouwaffles said:
Unfortunately, I am on the newest build that came out. I had no idea that the bootloaders were locked until after I updated. I actually came from the S3 so I pretty much know the tools that I need and things like that but I have never ever heard of Loki before, all I know is its some type of makeshift work around for the bootloader.
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You will not be able to install a custom recovery on your device, as any build past MDK (the original build) has pretty much been locked down. Only MDK people have the ability to use Loki.
Your only alternative is Safestrap, basically you can only flash ROMs that use the stock kernel...which means no AOSP. There's a thread for it here somewhere.
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Damn that's dissapointing to say the least. I really loved AOSP on my S3 and I really hear that its pretty great on on the S4. Oh well, I will just enjoy 4.3 until 4.4 comes later this month, or year due to Verizon's AMAZING speed when it comes to updates. -_-
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damnyouwaffles said:
Unfortunately, I am on the newest build that came out. I had no idea that the bootloaders were locked until after I updated. I actually came from the S3 so I pretty much know the tools that I need and things like that but I have never ever heard of Loki before, all I know is its some type of makeshift work around for the bootloader.
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if you do some reading, you find that safestrap recovery is available for your phone....limited ROMs but at least its an avenue.
read and research !!!
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Well guys, I'm having some scary thoughts about upgrading to a 5s from my s4. I really don't want to, but I am confused about the bootloader. I've searched the forums high and low for the information I've been trying to look for. Honestly, I was just wondering if the bootloader will eventually get unlocked.
Is it possible? Have the devs given up? Safestrap is amazing by the way. Using it right now with hyperdrive. I just haven't seen any chatter about it. I am no way complaining I am just lacking the information. I am having internal memory issues.
Some please ease our minds (and mine for that matter) about this situation. Please, steer me away from the 5s. I am hardcore android. Is the s4 worth keeping? Is anyone else going to (it have) replace the s4?
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I wouldnt get an iphone. Youll just look at it be like wow its just an iphone.. This sux.
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I wouldnt get an iphone. Youll just look at it be like wow its just an iphone.. This sux.
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True, but I heard from now on.. All of Verizon's phones bootloaders will be locked. Might as well try apple for the first time. I can always comes back. I'll miss it but man I just need some info.
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I dont know anything about Verizon phones but its completely up to you if you wanna try the iphone lol
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I recently switched from the iPhone 5 to the S4 because it was just an iPhone. I even enjoyed jailbreaking my iPhone and it wasn't all that great. No customization like what's allowed on android. Hope you choose to stay.
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But you can do just as much if not more on your stock s4 than the iphone. The iphone has no customization at all besides just switching your wallpaper.
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You guys all have a point. I might just upgrade the iPhone 5s and resell for cash and keep my s4. Either way this s4 is staying with me. Anyone know any news on the boot loader?
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Yeah man the iPhone 5S has nice features but I'm telling you it's not worth it. The iPhone is smoother but you lack on a lot of customization. Your iPhone will look exactly like anyone iPhone 4 out there and that's 3 generations old.
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Yeah. I understand. So is not safe to say the boot loader for the s4 won't see any hope? As in dead?
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What do you wanted an unlocked bootloader for??
This bootloader stuff has been so blown out of proportion that so many people are just going on the "locked bootloader blah blah" bandwagon. We just need another exploit, Hash is working on kexec.
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What do you wanted an unlocked bootloader for??
This bootloader stuff has been so blown out of proportion that so many people are just going on the "locked bootloader blah blah" bandwagon. We just need another exploit, Hash is working on kexec.
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lol so I can do whatever I want with my device. Others agree. Now, kexec. Can you explain what that is for me?
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lol so I can do whatever I want with my device. Others agree. Now, kexec. Can you explain what that is for me?
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Kexec is like a hijack of the kernel. It pretty much loads a custom kernel on top of the stock one.
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Aw, I see. That would be nice.
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Aw, I see. That would be nice.
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The main benefit of getting kexec support would be that people could flash aosp roms. As im sure you already know currently there is only support for touchwiz based roms on ss.
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The main benefit of getting kexec support would be that people could flash aosp roms. As im sure you already know currently there is only support for touchwiz based roms on ss.
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Yes. AOSP is a must. It would really help people with internal memory such as myself. Do you know if the boot loader itself is being worked on? Or are devs just exploiting it rather than fully unlocking it.
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Yes. AOSP is a must. It would really help people with internal memory such as myself. Do you know if the boot loader itself is being worked on? Or are devs just exploiting it rather than fully unlocking it.
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Pretty sure it isn't going to be unlocked. It never was for the S4 so it probably won't be.
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lol so I can do whatever I want with my device. Others agree. Now, kexec. Can you explain what that is for me?
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What do you mean by "whatever" you want? Install a ROM? Safestrap does that for you. Install a kernel? Hash is working on kexec.
I'm convinced most of the people complaining about the bootloader have no idea what they are talking about. You do realize that SS and kexec will be virtually grant you the same things an "unlocked" bootloader does.
Loki is another exploit on MDK devices that gives you the same capabilities, many people even think that the MDK has an unlocked bootloader, lmao.
Again I ask, what are you hoping to do with an unlocked bootloader that SS and kexec cannot do?
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richii0207 said:
What do you wanted an unlocked bootloader for??
This bootloader stuff has been so blown out of proportion that so many people are just going on the "locked bootloader blah blah" bandwagon. We just need another exploit, Hash is working on kexec.
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Whoa there cowboy. Well for one, it won't be unlocked. So there's the obvious one. I'm not complaining, so there's one problem lol. I am very aware of what safestrap is. I just wish we could replace stock ROM, so we could have some more internal memory. If you caught that. totally grateful. Was just wondering and looks like bootloader won't be getting unlocked. Man...
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Whoa there cowboy. Well for one, it won't be unlocked. So there's the obvious one. I'm not complaining, so there's one problem lol. I am very aware of what safestrap is. I just wish we could replace stock ROM, so we could have some more internal memory. If you caught that. totally grateful. Was just wondering and looks like bootloader won't be getting unlocked. Man...
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You asked for am honest opinion...I'm just letting you know. So you just wish to have more internal storage? You can try to flash a ROM on the stock rom slot.
It just seems like you have this obsession with the bootloader based on your threads created and the forum-wide PMs about the unlock petition.
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You asked for am honest opinion...I'm just letting you know. So you just wish to have more internal storage? You can try to flash a ROM on the stock rom slot.
It just seems like you have this obsession with the bootloader based on your threads created and the forum-wide PMs about the unlock petition.
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No, 16 is enough. But its really 8 or something because of the OS. Obsession with the boot loader? Dude I just want carriers to stop locking up the bootloaders to my devices that I pay for. Just because its locked doesn't mean I want it unlocked. Done with this I just wanted info and I got it so thanks I guess. petition has 250 sigs so pretty awesome.
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So I've been reading and I see that developers are working on a root method for the new 4.3 update. And to these guys I want to say thank you for all your hard work! I'm curious as to whether they'll be a method to unlock the boot loader? I know about the whole ME7 ordeal, I just hope we won't see the same with this new update. Anyone know anything?
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So I've been reading and I see that developers are working on a root method for the new 4.3 update. And to these guys I want to say thank you for all your hard work! I'm curious as to whether they'll be a method to unlock the boot loader? I know about the whole ME7 ordeal, I just hope we won't see the same with this new update. Anyone know anything?
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I believe it is still being looked at. With the release of note 3 probably got even more eyes on it. Though from everything I've seen posted a true unlock looks very hard if not impossible. It looks like the best will be Safestrap with kexec exploit to load custom kernels. Problem is right now no kexec exploit.
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So I've been reading and I see that developers are working on a root method for the new 4.3 update. And to these guys I want to say thank you for all your hard work! I'm curious as to whether they'll be a method to unlock the boot loader? I know about the whole ME7 ordeal, I just hope we won't see the same with this new update. Anyone know anything?
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Wow. I hope it'll be possible. I've never seen a phone locked down this tight. Not even HTC. Hopefully these guys will come up with something. It would be awesome if Adam Outler could do a casual method for all builds on this device.
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Im currently on ME7 / Safestrap on Bean's Build 7.
I know lots of folks are all over the board on ME7, MI1, and MJ7.
I know MJ7 isnt compatible with safestrap yet, so I dont think thats correct. Is the update to MI1 worth going through? IIRC its compatible with safestrap, what ROM is best for MI1? I've read that Eclipse is nice.
Also, I havent dabbled in kernels with this phone yet. Is there a way to to kernels in SS?
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Im currently on ME7 / Safestrap on Bean's Build 7.
I know lots of folks are all over the board on ME7, MI1, and MJ7.
I know MJ7 isnt compatible with safestrap yet, so I dont think thats correct. Is the update to MI1 worth going through? IIRC its compatible with safestrap, what ROM is best for MI1? I've read that Eclipse is nice.
Also, I havent dabbled in kernels with this phone yet. Is there a way to to kernels in SS?
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My advice is to stay on me7 a little while longer. Right now all the roms for touch wiz are built on it. I believe you can flash the different radios in safestrap but read that thread to be sure. The links for the radios are in general.
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My advice is to stay on me7 a little while longer. Right now all the roms for touch wiz are built on it. I believe you can flash the different radios in safestrap but read that thread to be sure. The links for the radios are in general.
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Thanks for the reply. Ill stick with ME7. I didnt really want to work on flashing anything else tonight anyway.
Are the bootloaders the same throughout the basebands? If different, would one be potentially unlocked before later ones?
And lastly, do you know what nonhlos is? I don't. I probably dont need it, but I would like to be enlightened. Google turned up nothing when I searched for it. Well, not nothing. But I couldnt find what I was looking for.
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Thanks for the reply. Ill stick with ME7. I didnt really want to work on flashing anything else tonight anyway.
Are the bootloaders the same throughout the basebands? If different, would one be potentially unlocked before later ones?
And lastly, do you know what nonhlos is? I don't. I probably dont need it, but I would like to be enlightened. Google turned up nothing when I searched for it. Well, not nothing. But I couldnt find what I was looking for.
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Well the baseband is different from the bootloader. Baseband is just the radio. As to one being more likely to be unlocked? I suspect if the crack one the same exploit will work on the others. But maybe not.
I'm not sure about nonhlos either. I be seen no definitive answer. Surge might be able to answer. He seems to know the answer but have not seen him share it. Maybe he'll see this and do it. Oh and seen your questions about kernels. Right now in SS you can't flash any custom kernels. Waiting for a kexec exploit.
Well there is this about non hlos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47163389
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Well the baseband is different from the bootloader. Baseband is just the radio. As to one being more likely to be unlocked? I suspect if the crack one the same exploit will work on the others. But maybe not.
I'm not sure about nonhlos either. I be seen no definitive answer. Surge might be able to answer. He seems to know the answer but have not seen him share it. Maybe he'll see this and do it. Oh and seen your questions about kernels. Right now in SS you can't flash any custom kernels. Waiting for a kexec exploit.
Well there is this about non hlos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47163389
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Thanks again. Baseband=radio. Got it. Now why are the roms "built" according to their names? Is it just referring to the TW build that was in the OTA with that radio?
Sorry, I have a lot to learn. Spent some time on iPhones and a lot of time on AOSP where I didn't pay much attention to these things.
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Thanks again. Baseband=radio. Got it. Now why are the roms "built" according to their names? Is it just referring to the TW build that was in the OTA with that radio?
Sorry, I have a lot to learn. Spent some time on iPhones and a lot of time on AOSP where I didn't pay much attention to these things.
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Yeah. The build. No probs. Ask away.
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I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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Personally, I've never heard of what you're describing. The only way I know of with MK2 is to root using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758.
After that, your only option for roms is Safestrap. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441441. You will only be able to install TouchWiz 4.3 based roms. Make sure they're compatible with Safestrap before you install.
My advice would be to do a lot of research. This is a good place to start. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501.
Good luck
Edit: Just noticed your profile says your using AT&T. This is the Verizon forum.
Decepticaons said:
I've been away a while. If I'm understanding correctly I can one click route my MK2 and install Samsung based ROMs without a custom recovery using mobile Odin. Can anyone please confirm it or correct me? If I'm right can you give me ideas what to look for in a ROM that will work with this method. Thanks and sorry if this has been asked. I did search but there wasn't much to look at in terms of direct solutions.
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This is the Verizon forum, not at&t. However I believe mobile odin is only useful for restoring the phone to a factory state without a computer, not flashing roms, yet you must be rooted. I could be wrong though.
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Personally, I've never heard of what you're describing. The only way I know of with MK2 is to root using this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758.
After that, your only option for roms is Safestrap. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441441. You will only be able to install TouchWiz 4.3 based roms. Make sure they're compatible with Safestrap before you install.
My advice would be to do a lot of research. This is a good place to start. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501.
Good luck
Edit: Just noticed your profile says your using AT&T. This is the Verizon forum.
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Haven't updated that, I'm with Verizon.
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It is possible to flash rom via Odin have done it on me devices not sure if this would be a exception maybe contact some devs to see where this lies
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It is possible to flash rom via Odin have done it on me devices not sure if this would be a exception maybe contact some devs to see where this lies
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Well as far as I know Odin is just for flashing the firmwares and a custom recovery is for flashing ROMs. Maybe there is an exception, but I don't think so
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Well as far as I know Odin is just for flashing the firmwares and a custom recovery is for flashing ROMs. Maybe there is an exception, but I don't think so
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This is my understanding too..Perhaps one of our brainiacs can clarify
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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This is my understanding too..Perhaps one of our brainiacs can clarify
safestrap enabled, Hyperdrive driven
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Maybe just clarifying what someone thinks a ROM is, guess you could think firmware is a ROM if you're new to this kind of stuff.
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Generally yes for recoveries and stock firmwares however it does need to be in a tarball file which would take some time I imagine trying to recall what phone it was but this was a few years ago a lot has changed since the n
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Ok looking like I misunderstood then. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think I trust the idea of the safestrap. I know it's safer, but I have been flashing ROMs for years and the recovery method makes me warm and tingly. I don't think they'll ever crack into the ability to flash the way we're all used to. For every genius we have that's capable of figuring it out, Samsung has 10 that can stop it. I pray they get it, but my hopes are fading.
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Ok looking like I misunderstood then. Thanks for the clarification. I don't think I trust the idea of the safestrap. I know it's safer, but I have been flashing ROMs for years and the recovery method makes me warm and tingly. I don't think they'll ever crack into the ability to flash the way we're all used to. For every genius we have that's capable of figuring it out, Samsung has 10 that can stop it. I pray they get it, but my hopes are fading.
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safestrap has been around for years for other phones and recently hashcode ported to the S4 last fall. I have used it since that time with zero issues and have been running several ROMs at a time to evaluate, with again no issues with safestrap. Not sure why you wouldn't "trust it".....as it gives all us non-MDK owners ability to run something else than just stock.
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safestrap has been around for years for other phones and recently hashcode ported to the S4 last fall. I have used it since that time with zero issues and have been running several ROMs at a time to evaluate, with again no issues with safestrap. Not sure why you wouldn't "trust it".....as it gives all us non-MDK owners ability to run something else than just stock.
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Exactly, I've been hammering away on Safestrap since my RAZR and it's really safe just like the name implies. Granted I could flash AOSP on the razr, but my guess is at some point kexec will come around for the S4 as well. Too many really smart people working on that project for it to fail in my opinion.
Anyways.... For now Safestrap is awesome, and happy to have it.
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Now if there were more ROM options lol!
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Now if there were more ROM options lol!
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slowly getting there. Takes some time and while many SS roms are available they all come up short to my main day to day HD12 Rom....battery life is simply amazing
I just picked up an S4 and am coming from an S3.
Found this link to get root but not sure if I want to take the method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574652
I'm on MK2.
Has the bootloader been unlocked yet or is it unlocked by default?
My phone needs some AOSP in its life. Bad.
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RBarnett09 said:
I just picked up an S4 and am coming from an S3.
Found this link to get root but not sure if I want to take the method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574652
I'm on MK2.
Has the bootloader been unlocked yet or is it unlocked by default?
My phone needs some AOSP in its life. Bad.
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Not sure anyone can help you if your not sure you want to try the method in the first place. The thread Naddict refers to says its roots MK2 in the title. The bootloader Is locked so no AOSP. Theres a sticky that most people refer users to when they ask this question (which is at least 4 times a day) I trust you'll be able to find it though.
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Not sure anyone can help you if your not sure you want to try the method in the first place. The thread Naddict refers to says its roots MK2 in the title. The bootloader Is locked so no AOSP. Theres a sticky that most people refer users to when they ask this question (which is at least 4 times a day) I trust you'll be able to find it though.
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The only reason I wasn't sure if I wanted to try it is because I'm strictly wanting AOSP ROMs... I hate Touchwiz with a passion. So if I can't use any AOSP ROMs, I won't bother rooting it.
Hopefully they get the bootloader unlocked soon.
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Would it be possible to Odin to a previous build that has an unlockable bootloader, root and then flash?
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RBarnett09 said:
Would it be possible to Odin to a previous build that has an unlockable bootloader, root and then flash?
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No that's not possible sorry. Wish it were that easy.
Look into SafeStrap compatible ROMs for the Verizon s4... There's a list on here of them. Some pretty cool ones that have the feel of aosp.
Or... Go on swappa and buy an MDK build which you can run aosp on.
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The only reason I wasn't sure if I wanted to try it is because I'm strictly wanting AOSP ROMs... I hate Touchwiz with a passion. So if I can't use any AOSP ROMs, I won't bother rooting it.
Hopefully they get the bootloader unlocked soon.
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all S4 owners need to start with this thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
Ah.
I'm just going to resell this thing.
Theres no way to get away from Touchwiz.
Thanks though guys.
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