I bought a Sony XTZ couple weeks ago. I love everything about this tablet, until I watched a movie on Netflix on it. It is borderline blurry compared to streaming the same title on Windows 8 or iPad. So I thought it's just a Netflix thing, until last night I played a movie from Google Play. It looked absolutely horrible, SD quality. It is not my internet connection speed as I get 100/30Mbps here.
I Googled this subject and found no information about this. Am I seeing things or is there something wrong with my Sony XTZ?
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I bought a Sony XTZ couple weeks ago. I love everything about this tablet, until I watched a movie on Netflix on it. It is borderline blurry compared to streaming the same title on Windows 8 or iPad. So I thought it's just a Netflix thing, until last night I played a movie from Google Play. It looked absolutely horrible, SD quality. It is not my internet connection speed as I get 100/30Mbps here.
I Googled this subject and found no information about this. Am I seeing things or is there something wrong with my Sony XTZ?
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So I did some more reading, apparently Sony didn't pay for licensing for HD playback on the XTZ :silly: I've read that even Sony's own video services do not offer HD playback on the XTZ. Wow, just wow. I really love this tablet but this is a deal breaker.
I have 4 more days to request a return on this. I was trying to get it to update to the latest 10.4.1.b.0.101 but it's not available yet. I will give it 3 more days to see if the update hits, and see if it enables HD playback. If not I have to return it which will be unfortunate and very disappointing.
Please tell me this is not true ..
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So I did some more reading, apparently Sony didn't pay for licensing for HD playback on the XTZ :silly: I've read that even Sony's own video services do not offer HD playback on the XTZ. Wow, just wow. I really love this tablet but this is a deal breaker.
I have 4 more days to request a return on this. I was trying to get it to update to the latest 10.4.1.b.0.101 but it's not available yet. I will give it 3 more days to see if the update hits, and see if it enables HD playback. If not I have to return it which will be unfortunate and very disappointing.
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Please tell me this is not true DAMMN im about to buy this tablet ..( not waiting for the z2 because the tablet is on 350$ deal so yeah..)
i love watching netflix and i when i see this .. well no, just no i have like 24 hours before the deals end .. someone tell me that i can watch hd content on it .. is it netflix only or all hd playback?
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Please tell me this is not true DAMMN im about to buy this tablet ..( not waiting for the z2 because the tablet is on 350$ deal so yeah..)
i love watching netflix and i when i see this .. well no, just no i have like 24 hours before the deals end .. someone tell me that i can watch hd content on it .. is it netflix only or all hd playback?
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Yes, all streaming HD services. Very disappointing as I loved everything about this tablet. I really wanted it to work, so much so that I called Xperia support even knowing it'd be a waste of time. First thing I was asked was if I can copy the movies to my XTZ to be played.
This appears to affect the entire range of Xperia devices including the flagship Z1 Ultra. I'll link two samples I found here, but I saw the same complaints on other Xperia devices. I've found no complaints about Netflix, but trust me, if you watch the same title on Netflix with any other devices, the quality difference will be clear - it's way sharper even on a 720p device than on the XTZ.
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/VOD-and-HD-Video-Playback/td-p/362656
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...vice-does-not-support-HD-playback/td-p/417467
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Yes, all streaming HD services. Very disappointing as I loved everything about this tablet. I really wanted it to work, so much so that I called Xperia support even knowing it'd be a waste of time. First thing I was asked was if I can copy the movies to my XTZ to be played.
This appears to affect the entire range of Xperia devices including the flagship Z1 Ultra. I'll link two samples I found here, but I saw the same complaints on other Xperia devices. I've found no complaints about Netflix, but trust me, if you watch the same title on Netflix with any other devices, the quality difference will be clear - it's way sharper even on a 720p device than on the XTZ.
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Tablet-Z/VOD-and-HD-Video-Playback/td-p/362656
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...vice-does-not-support-HD-playback/td-p/417467
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Well sucks a lot I think I'll wait for the z2 or the next nexus 10
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Well sucks a lot I think I'll wait for the z2 or the next nexus 10
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I don't know if the XTZ 2 will not have that issue - this seems to be an issue with every Xperia devices even the Z1 Ultra which came out not that long ago..
So I returned the XTZ and bought an LG G Pad 8.3, and find that the LG also has poor Netflix streaming quality, but at least the LG can play HD contents from Google Play which the XTZ would only play SD quality.
Did some more reading on this matter. 1080p Netflix on Android requires Android 4.3 (which the XTZ does in fact have) that has additional DRM API built-in, but it seems the ONLY Android device that can do 1080p streaming is the Nexus 7 2013. One might say on a smallish tablet device 720p vs 1080p shouldn't matter. I probably would've thought so myself if I hadn't been spoiled by the biting sharpness from iPads and Windows 8 devices when watching Netflix. The difference is immediately noticeable.
I've attached some pictures to show the difference in case anyone is interested to see. The difference in person is greater than these pictures show.
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Did some more reading on this matter. 1080p Netflix on Android requires Android 4.3 (which the XTZ does in fact have) that has additional DRM API built-in, but it seems the ONLY Android device that can do 1080p streaming is the Nexus 7 2013. One might say on a smallish tablet device 720p vs 1080p shouldn't matter. I probably would've thought so myself if I hadn't been spoiled by the biting sharpness from iPads and Windows 8 devices when watching Netflix. The difference is immediately noticeable.
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I'm pretty sure all non-Nexus 7 2013 devices only get 480p, hence the low quality. Netflix help pages also say HD is only supported on "new Nexus 7".
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I'm pretty sure all non-Nexus 7 2013 devices only get 480p, hence the low quality. Netflix help pages also say HD is only supported on "new Nexus 7".
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What is the reasoning for this? That's ridiculous.
I kid you not, the regular iPad Mini with the 1024x768 screen and the Dell Windows 8.1 8" 1280x800 tablets look much sharper than the non-Nexus 7 full HD Android tablets I've tried so far. Yes I had a 2013 Nexus 7 previously and Netflix is very sharp on it. This inconsistent experience from Android is a big turn off, although I like the LG G Pad a lot and it is a keeper. I'll just use my other gadgets when I watch Netflix.
I don't think there would be much differences in your images above.
Since each tablet you used has different brightness and contrast, so the picture sharpness looks different.
I have attached my photos showing pictures from XTZ and iPad Air. The two are a little out of sync.
Look at detail of Liam's shirt. They are the same on both XTZ and Air.
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What is the reasoning for this? That's ridiculous.
I kid you not, the regular iPad Mini with the 1024x768 screen and the Dell Windows 8.1 8" 1280x800 tablets look much sharper than the non-Nexus 7 full HD Android tablets I've tried so far. Yes I had a 2013 Nexus 7 previously and Netflix is very sharp on it. This inconsistent experience from Android is a big turn off, although I like the LG G Pad a lot and it is a keeper. I'll just use my other gadgets when I watch Netflix.
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I believe it is because of DRM mess, i.e. the Widevine DRM interfaces are not implemented properly or something about it is different, etc.
I modified the Netflix APK to enable verbose logging and I looked through the code, and it seems to check specifically for Nexus 7 2013 on Android 4.3 only to enable Widevine DRM mode, otherwise the Widevine mode is disabled (which, I guess, disables HD playback completely). On Android 4.4 there is no separate check for device name, so maybe HD playback could work with Netflix for any 4.4 tablet that implements the Android Widevine DRM interface properly (or it could be it is limited in other places as well)...
And yes, the playback doesn't go above 480p according to the logs on my Tablet Z.
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I don't think there would be much differences in your images above.
Since each tablet you used has different brightness and contrast, so the picture sharpness looks different.
I have attached my photos showing pictures from XTZ and iPad Air. The two are a little out of sync.
Look at detail of Liam's shirt. They are the same on both XTZ and Air.
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You can't see any quality difference in the pictures because the photo resolution is way too low for that. 480p video has 480 pixels in the vertical direction, and your photos doesn't even have that amount of vertical pixels for each display.
To definitely see what resolution your Netflix is maxing out at, search for "example short" in Netflix and play the "Example Short 23.976" video (in U.S. Netflix). The video shows the current playback bitrate and size in the upper-left corner. For me it maxes out at "1750 kbps, 720x480", which is consistent with what I saw in the APK, and which is not HD.
Sorry to bump this old thread, but it seems Netflix has finally let it loose on full HD streaming to other Android devices, at least on both my LG (G Pad 8.3 and G2 phone). I think since two Netflix app updates ago. The difference is immediately noticeable - same biting sharpness I've been used to from iPads and Windows 8.1. I imagine this would be across the board on all Android devices.
I remembered this thread when I searched "LG G Pad Netflix stuttering", which very surprisingly was rectified by rebooting the G Pad.
Edit, seems Netflix has "fixed" it again with the new update. The super sharpness is once again gone. In trying to fix the stuttering issue, I updated the Netflix app to the current release. I'm not seeing things. I've gone nuts since the XTZ in trying to see what's going on with Netflix on Android. I settled on a scene on Skyfall. At 12:21 the conference call speaker (plus M's wrinkles on her face), you'll see the very fine details when on HD, which I saw on the G Pad on the last Netflix app update. It's gone now.
I give up.
Edit 2: I think Netflix is messing around with things on their backend. A couple days ago I started noticing titles actually say "HD" when browsing on the Android app. Now it's gone. I went as far as downloading the .apk for 3.3.3 and 3.4.0, nope HD is gone.
Now I give up.
very poor product, equally poor customer service
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I believe it is because of DRM mess, i.e. the Widevine DRM interfaces are not implemented properly or something about it is different, etc.
I modified the Netflix APK to enable verbose logging and I looked through the code, and it seems to check specifically for Nexus 7 2013 on Android 4.3 only to enable Widevine DRM mode, otherwise the Widevine mode is disabled (which, I guess, disables HD playback completely). On Android 4.4 there is no separate check for device name, so maybe HD playback could work with Netflix for any 4.4 tablet that implements the Android Widevine DRM interface properly (or it could be it is limited in other places as well)...
And yes, the playback doesn't go above 480p according to the logs on my Tablet Z.
You can't see any quality difference in the pictures because the photo resolution is way too low for that. 480p video has 480 pixels in the vertical direction, and your photos doesn't even have that amount of vertical pixels for each display.
To definitely see what resolution your Netflix is maxing out at, search for "example short" in Netflix and play the "Example Short 23.976" video (in U.S. Netflix). The video shows the current playback bitrate and size in the upper-left corner. For me it maxes out at "1750 kbps, 720x480", which is consistent with what I saw in the APK, and which is not HD.
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I bought this tablet thinking it would be amazing, dust proof, water resistant, slim slick design, SD card etc. It is very poor for the price I paid here in UK £380, live streaming rarely works, it goes off after about 30 seconds. Battery life poor, takes forever charging. Uploading videos is shocking, producing such poor quality videos even from the HD GoPro cameras, it's all blurry. I wish now I had stuck with my original plan of staying with Apple. Waste of money, customer service on Twitter absolutely useless, saying for me to do the same thing "system repair" black black black, why should we have to do this after paying nearly £400 for a tablet. I did do the system repair process and it made absolutely no difference whatsoever. Avoid Sony Xperia at all costs.
Back to Apple for me after my refund. Boom
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I recently bought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and have 0 issues with it...now I am hearing rumors that the new Asus Transformer 2 with Tegra 3 aka Kal El is going to come out this October 2011..
For those who don't know what that is it's a quad core proc that is supposedly more powerful than a 2.0 ghz core 2 duo proc and also said to be 2 times faster for web browsing and 5 times more powerful overall than the Tegra 2...
Now for my question...I am still within the 14 days at best buy to return the galaxy...should I return it and wait until October for the Transformer 2 or should I just stick with the galaxy?
I absolutely love my galaxy but is the more powerful chip worth getting a slightly thicker/heavier transformer?
You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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Thats true but id definitely be content with my purchase if i had 6 months between the next upgrade instead of 2
But truly, who knows if the Asus Transformer 2 will come out in October? Have we even seen a prototype yet? If you think about the GT10.1, the prototype of this p7510 version was first displayed in the CTIA in March, and yet it only came on the market in July. And only in the U.S., while it's still rolling out worldwide. So, I think it's hard to believe TF2 will be out in 2 months.
Even if it does come out, who knows if TF2 will have a lighter and thinner form factor than the GT10.1? Since you've had TF1 and GT10.1 you'd know, unlike laptops, slashing off weight and thickness makes for a huge difference in improving the tablet experience. Will the TF2 trounce the iPad2 and GT10.1 in form factor?
The roadmap for Tegra3 smartphones has already been pushed back to Jan 2012 at the earliest. Even if Tegra3 tablets come first, I doubt we'll be getting them before the Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday season, and when they do come out, Asus TF2 may be the first but not necessarily the best or the one you want.
But then Sammy, Acer, Toshiba only just came out with their first tablets this summer (while Sony still hasn't), so they don't have much stake in rushing out a Tegra3 tablet untill at least late this year, and more likely next year. I'd bet my money that if only cause of it's form factor, until iPad3 comes out in Q1/Q2 2012, you won't be seeking an upgrade. That is my 2 cents on keeping my GT10.1, regardless of Tegra3 rumors.
Truly, why hang on to the hypothetical, when you have the actual in your hand?
I'm still completely torn as to what to do...you make a good point where since the transformer 2 coming out in october is only a rumor and may not come out until november december...but since I am a gadget freak I don't know how I'm going to feel when there is a tegra 3 tablet b/c I am sure they're going to have all sorts of accompanying apps that can utilize the quad core proc...this is tough..
Wait for the TF2 if you don't mind waiting, see how you like it and then decide if it's a keeper.
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Here's the question I consider:
If you stick with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Transformer 2 does come out in October (or November), will you be saying "man, I wish I waited 2 more months for this to come out"?
At the same time, if you waited and got the Transformer 2 in November, when the next best thing comes out 6 months later, will you be saying "man, I wish I kept the Galaxy Tab 10.1 last year and waited for this to come out"?
For me, this is easy. I've never owned a tab. I rather wait 2 months as you said and know that the TF2 is at least the best thing out at the time with no drastic chip/gpu upgrades pending until at least Summer 2012.
I'd say wait it out. Even if it comes out late (November), you will be less regretful in my opinion.
Get the Galaxy Tab now and have fun, you won't be disappointed. When the TF2 comes out, wait for the reviews. If you decide you want it, sell the Galaxy Tab on ebay and buy the TF2.
That is what I did with (first) the Viewsonic G-Tab and (now) the Galaxy Tab.
Wait for the TF3, it will be awesome! No, wait for the TF4, that's really going to fly! Just kidding! Wait for the TF5! I've heard it will cure cancer!
In the meantime, please start more threads about tablets that don't exist that we should compare to existing ones.
Personally, I purchased a Tab 10.1 for 2 simple reasons:
- amazing quality and design, not found in any other tablet
- perfect companion for my Samsung Galaxy S2
I doubt that other companies will be able to match the outstanding Tab quality. It makes iPad2 look like a little crappy product from every angle.
There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
PS: Big big botta boom!
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
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What are you talking about??? The Tegra 2 can not even play 720p videos with even low-medium bitrate. It only supports the obsolete Baseline profile for h.264. Tegra 2 can not playback 720p in Main or High profile unless you re-encode the video to very low bitrate.
Education is key to understanding reality.
Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the difference between those and a 480p version of the video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
BTW - http://tabletroms.com/forums/adam-g...can-play-720p-high-level-5-1-h-264-video.html
Knowledge is power.
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Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the diffrence between those and a 480p video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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There you go being a troll again... Stop putting words into my post that didn't exist. I never told you that I put a raw blue-ray 50gb file on my 16bg galaxy...
Every post I have ever read from you seems as if your just trying to troll and start a fight but you just end up looking like a sad angry person who thinks he knows it all.
Just so your not confused...
I got a movie online (that i own) that was a blueray rip 720p and it played and looked just fine. Maybe it wasn't the super duper high quality version of 720p or even the fantastical super high quality 1080p. All that matters to me is that it looked good and ran good on my tablet.
If i want to watch a movie in full blown HD quality I will do it on my 50in LED tv using my blue-ray player... Not my 10 inch tablet.
So you admit, the movie HAD to be reencoded to be played on the tablet. You see how your argument has fallen apart?
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For OP:
Get the galaxy tab 10.1 (it will do anything a tablet should currently do and quite well.) and when your sick of it in a year or so get the transformer 2 (if its build quality isn't crap).
Hello! I will be updating this thread on video playback capabilities of the Nexus 10, particularly on high-end resolution. The new software update is out and under testing at many sites, as well is it is shipping worldwide, so I'll try to share as many information about the multimedia capabilities of the Nexus 10 as possible, you can help out too. Discussion should cover
- full HD video playback performance, formats, framerates
- stock vs. 3rd party media player apps
- youtube and streaming at fullHD
- tweaks to optimize performance
Video performance test by italia0101
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YouTube 2600k sample:
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Yeah this kinda does worry me, as a big part of why i'm looking at this is to play movies while a travel, he does say its only with HD rips of blue rays, but would be nice to see if it does it with HD movies downloaded via the playstore etc.
might have to wait to see what happens when people get it in their hands.
Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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well hopefully this isn't going to be a result of google having to beat the retina, if thats the case then i'd much more want a screen of the 1920x1080 res that is really good, and that the processor isn't running at 100% trying to run.
I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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He said he was downloading things in the back. I think a lot of devices lag when you're downloading things.
>The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
Original BD is 1920x1080 with avg bitrates of 30-35Mbps. Rips can keep the 1080p res or be downscaled, but bitrates are inevitably lower (for smaller size) as they're intended to be downloaded.
Many devices now can handle 1080p of the "rip" (lowered bitrate) variety, but fewer can smoothly play "remuxed" (original BD bitrate) 1080p content. So to say that a device can playback 1080p is relatively meaningless unless the bitrate is specified. Anything from Youtube would not be a good test, since YT stuff are highly compressed (very low bitrate relative to resolution), and fidelity is substantially compromised.
My expectation is that N10 should handle "normal" 1080p rips (10Mbps), given it's the latest-gen SoC, and that video playback is a staple use. I'm more curious about performance with BD-bitrate content, and 1440p content, hence the pending clip uploads. Admittedly, these would be more for curiosity's sake than for practical use--there is no 1440p content, and BD ISOs won't fit through wifi pipes, HT40 or no.
Subscribing as videos are the #1 thing I use tablets for. There was one video posted in the general section last week that takes advantage of the N10's resolution. A quick browse back a few pages and you'll find it in one of the threads talking about the screen
Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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Good lord. So do I.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.
In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
Wooba99 said:
I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea
So I got the White Sony 32 GB in today. For $600 bucks, I was still kind of sketchy.
First thing I did? Arrested Development on Netflix. It looked like crap. I tried Hulu, only slightly better.
The pre-loaded videos and HD videos from YouTube on the other hand were amazing.
So my question is.... Why does Netflix look sooooo horrible? How can I fix it? I have it on the highest quality. My Note 2 and my Wife's GS4 slays the Xperia Tablet Z on Netflix, although it is a larger screen.
Basically the colors don't look vivid at all. They look dull and boring.
Please help. Could be the difference of keeping it or not.
David
i was just wondering the same thing... this is my first tablet... just got it like an hour ago... and i was wondering is it possible that this netflix app is a phone based netflix app and its scaling the image up to tablet size? that's what it kinda looks like... like when it scales a game up and it gets kind of pixelated... that's what it looks like anyway... don't get me wrong... it'll do since it won't be that often that i'm streaming movies on my tablet... but it looks awful.
I watch Netflix frequently on my XTZ. Generally the video quality seems fine. It does sometimes seems pixelated when it's buffering data at the start up of a show.
If you search the XTZ forums you will find that some people have experienced low wifi speeds on the XTZ. Could this be the cause of your problems? Have you checked your wifi speeds. If that is your issue, you could check out the various suggested fixes. (Personally, my wifi speeds have been fine though.)
Netflix recently launched its version in FULL HD for NEXUS 7 with ANDROID 4.3 , I have a Sony zl and the quality of netflix is horrible, I would like if the netflix FULL HD will work in any device with Android 4.3 or google devices?
Probably a dumb question, but we are getting 720/1080p HD playback on the Netflix app... Right? I only ask cause I went looking for information and all I found was this:
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23939
I also notice the 5x and the 6p aren't on there, so it's probably that it's an ancient article and all newer phones and tablets are getting it, but sometimes I wonder. (I know it's show dependent).
Also if it is HD, are we getting 720 or 1080?
I would be very surprised if we were not getting 1080p, assuming you have Netflix plan that offers HD streams. Even my ancient Nexus 7 was capable of 720p.
I just learned that Netflix now has three tiers offering SD, HD, and Ultra HD. Apparently my plan is locked at $7.99 for HD, but it looks like I will need to upgrade by next year. Ah well, happy to pay it.
Actually, the Nexus 9 is limited to standard definition, which is quite surprising, given that dmantilal is right about the Nexus 7 (2013) supporting HD streaming.
It comes down to DRM. Google/HTC either never put it through Netflix's certification program, or it couldn't pass testing.
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Actually, the Nexus 9 is limited to standard definition, which is quite surprising, given that dmantilal is right about the Nexus 7 (2013) supporting HD streaming.
It comes down to DRM. Google/HTC either never put it through Netflix's certification program, or it couldn't pass testing.
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Eh, that website *SPECIFICALLY* says that N9 gets HD. It is the 5th item from the top of the list, right below N7/13.
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Eh, that website *SPECIFICALLY* says that N9 gets HD. It is the 5th item from the top of the list, right below N7/13.
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Are you looking at this page. That page didn't seem to have the Nexus 9 listed last time I looked at it- I wonder how new it is.
That's interesting, though. It's been a few days since I tried. My Nexus 9 is running 6.0, but I haven't applied the January patch, nor have I installed the new Netflix update that just came out a day or two ago.
I'll try the test again when I get home. You can try it, too. Search for "Test Patterns" in netflix and start playing any video there. The video will report what resolution it is playing at. It will always start low, but in my case it never got up to HD resolution.
I'm definitely still limited to 720x480 resolution on my Nexus 9, despite running current firmware and the most recent version of the Netflix app.
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I'm definitely still limited to 720x480 resolution on my Nexus 9, despite running current firmware and the most recent version of the Netflix app.
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Same here running CyanogenMod 13. The Netflix app maxes out at 1750kbit 720×480 when running the official NetFlix "test patterns" videos. I tried the hacked app with no luck. Is there some way to mod the build.prop to fake our device and get HD? (I tried & failed.)
Although I would prefer 1080p, I must say that with my above-average up-close vision that 720x480 @ 1750Kbit is more than adequate. Though, I am not someone who has ever watched a movie and said "if only there were more pixels!". I would rather watch The Matrix at VCD quality than Real World Road Rules in 4K.
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Same here running CyanogenMod 13. The Netflix app maxes out at 1750kbit 720×480 when running the official NetFlix "test patterns" videos. I tried the hacked app with no luck. Is there some way to mod the build.prop to fake our device and get HD? (I tried & failed.)
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I doubt it. I strongly suspect the SD limitation is enforced by DRM. Netflix is fairly tight-lipped about their DRM requirements, but my understanding is that to get HD video, a device needs to implement some type of hardware-supported DRM system. On Android devices, I believe that's usually DRM supported by ARM TrustZone.
If that's the case, a hacked app wouldn't be enough. You'd need to hack the code that runs in TrustZone, which is set up very early in the boot process.
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Although I would prefer 1080p, I must say that with my above-average up-close vision that 720x480 @ 1750Kbit is more than adequate. Though, I am not someone who has ever watched a movie and said "if only there were more pixels!". I would rather watch The Matrix at VCD quality than Real World Road Rules in 4K.
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For casual viewing, you're right, it isn't that bad. But I think you'd definitely notice the jump from 480p to 1080p.
@letsief
You have seen the hacked Netflix HD app? It seems version 3 introduced DRM but earlier versions were capable of being hacked.
Considering that almost every Android device being capable of 720p or better, the need for Netflix certification makes no sense to me.
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You have seen the hacked Netflix HD app? It seems version 3 introduced DRM but earlier versions were capable of being hacked.
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Interesting. I didn't know about that. I saw your earlier reference to a hacked Netflix app, but I didn't know what you were specifically referring to.
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Considering that almost every Android device being capable of 720p or better, the need for Netflix certification makes no sense to me.
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I assume certification is intended to check for security issues, rather than performance.
Good news! As of today, Netflix is streaming in 1080p on my Nexus 9.
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Good news! As of today, Netflix is streaming in 1080p on my Nexus 9.
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Mine too. Bitrate = 5800kbps; Res = 1920x1080
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Mine too. Bitrate = 5800kbps; Res = 1920x1080
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How do you check?
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How do you check?
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With this: http://www.netflix.com/watch/70206978 or this: http://www.netflix.com/watch/80018585 or just search for "test" in Netflix app, there are 4 seasons of it.
I just ran the test pattern and ran at 1920x1080 at 3000kbps on my Nexus 9.
I had to clear my data and cache after upgrading to 6.0 for it to get past 1750 kbps. Now works at 5000 kbps just fine.
Hi guys,
recently i got a oppo reno 5G which is basicly a 10x zoom 5G version. it is currently on color os 6, it's widevine L1, but unable to play prime video at HD, best quality is only at 0.46GB/hr. as reno 10x zoom 4g already updated to color os 7, just wonder if any change been made through the update? 5G version should get color os 7 in June. thanks.
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Hi guys,
recently i got a oppo reno 5G which is basicly a 10x zoom 5G version. it is currently on color os 6, it's widevine L1, but unable to play prime video at HD, best quality is only at 0.46GB/hr. as reno 10x zoom 4g already updated to color os 7, just wonder if any change been made through the update? 5G version should get color os 7 in June. thanks.
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If it it helps I have COS7 on the 10XZ and can play full HD content on Netflix and Disney+
"0.46GB/hr" what does this mean? In terms of quality do you mean you are only getting 480p?
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If it it helps I have COS7 on the 10XZ and can play full HD content on Netflix and Disney+
"0.46GB/hr" what does this mean? In terms of quality do you mean you are only getting 480p?
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thanks for you reply, good to hear that. one more question, can you remember if you can play at 1080P when you were on cos 6?
yes, you are right, in prime video app, when choose streaming quality the "BEST" i get is 0.46GB/hr, meaning 480P. My wife's p30 pro has BEST like 1.8GB/hr.
i was suprised that my old pixel 2xl had same 0.46GB/hr, never notice that before.
also may i ask couple of more question since you are here.
how is your cos 7 experience? i read from chinese web, many users compalint about lag, battery, heating, and other issues. moreover when i read from Gsmarena "Oppo Reno 10x zoom - user opinions and reviews" most of people there had issues with cos7, and most of them suggest stay on cos6.
i am confused.
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thanks for you reply, good to hear that. one more question, can you remember if you can play at 1080P when you were on cos 6?
yes, you are right, in prime video app, when choose streaming quality the "BEST" i get is 0.46GB/hr, meaning 480P. My wife's p30 pro has BEST like 1.8GB/hr.
i was suprised that my old pixel 2xl had same 0.46GB/hr, never notice that before.
also may i ask couple of more question since you are here.
how is your cos 7 experience? i read from chinese web, many users compalint about lag, battery, heating, and other issues. moreover when i read from Gsmarena "Oppo Reno 10x zoom - user opinions and reviews" most of people there had issues with cos7, and most of them suggest stay on cos6.
i am confused.
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My experience with COS7
Faster, more fluid usability. No lags. None with COS6 either, but the UI is now even smoother.
I'm using the global model (CPH1919). The Chinese model is inferior to the global model and as such, users will experience some variation between COS6 and COS7.
Ignore any reviews, etc from China. It's different.
In answer to your issue with HD, I can confirm that I had no issues with receiving HD - 1080 or 4K. I'm wondering if your settings on your app are set to "Auto". This can happen with YouTube and if you manually request 1080 or above, then that will be the normal setting (unless a video is specifically of a lower standard format of course).
I have attached an example from YouTube settings. I have overridden the standard setting, so I get at least 1080 over WiFi and at least 480 over mobile data.
Best suggestion I can offer, I'm afraid. Let me know how you get on.
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Let me know how you get on.
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Thanks for your reminder, I find there is a option to " use hardware acceleration" on my old pixel 2xl phone. Make it HD now. However, the option isn't even there on my Reno 5G at all. Have no idea.
i installed netflix and in the setting, it shows widevine L1 and FULL HD, i guess it's fine with netflix. on youtube i have no problem watch 1080P content. maybe it is just the prime video had something to do with the phone.
I read online, cos 7 brings some sort of GPU acceleration, not sure if that will help solve this issue.
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Thanks for your reminder, I find there is a option to " use hardware acceleration" on my old pixel 2xl phone. Make it HD now. However, the option isn't even there on my Reno 5G at all. Have no idea.
i installed netflix and in the setting, it shows widevine L1 and FULL HD, i guess it's fine with netflix. on youtube i have no problem watch 1080P content. maybe it is just the prime video had something to do with the phone.
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Looks like Prime video is the issue. I have exactly same specs for Netflix
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Looks like Prime video is the issue. I have exactly same specs for Netflix
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if that is the case, i guess there is nothing i can do. Maybe one day after a update, it will be fixed. it is pain to watch 480p on a 6.6 inch screen. by the way, may i ask you battery drain during standby? like 8 hrs standby, yestday i reset my phone with off screen clock off, wifi/bluetooth/location/nfc, gamil/photo auto sync,backup on., no sim. it drained 4% in 9hrs. i think it is ok. do not know what normal drain like.
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if that is the case, i guess there is nothing i can do. Maybe one day after a update, it will be fixed. it is pain to watch 480p on a 6.6 inch screen. by the way, may i ask you battery drain during standby? like 8 hrs standby, yestday i reset my phone with off screen clock off, wifi/bluetooth/location/nfc, gamil/photo auto sync,backup on., no sim. it drained 4% in 9hrs. i think it is ok. do not know what normal drain like.
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4% in 9 hours is spot on. No need to worry. Battery management on this device is outstanding
Does anyone know what the status of HDR playback on Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ is? I assume this is down to the actual apps lacking support for the phone, but I had read that HDR used to work on the 10x Zoom at some point last year.
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Does anyone know what the status of HDR playback on Netflix, Amazon and Disney+ is? I assume this is down to the actual apps lacking support for the phone, but I had read that HDR used to work on the 10x Zoom at some point last year.
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Netflix and Disney+ work perfectly at 1080p for me. I don't have Prime, but I know some people have struggled with it - mainly 5G devices restricted to 480p.
Screenshot shows Netflix data. No HDR but this is not a problem
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Netflix and Disney+ work perfectly at 1080p for me. I don't have Prime, but I know some people have struggled with it - mainly 5G devices restricted to 480p.
Screenshot shows Netflix data. No HDR but this is not a problem
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They work well in HD for me as well. It's just that the screen is capable of HDR and whilst sometimes I find HDR can be either not very useful or a bit too much, it would be nice for it to work as the screen is capable. Having said that, I compared my playback in Netflix to that on a Oneplus 7t (which is supported for HDR in Netflix) and there was little/no obvious difference (bar the slightly cool rendition on the Oppo).
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They work well in HD for me as well. It's just that the screen is capable of HDR and whilst sometimes I find HDR can be either not very useful or a bit too much, it would be nice for it to work as the screen is capable. Having said that, I compared my playback in Netflix to that on a Oneplus 7t (which is supported for HDR in Netflix) and there was little/no obvious difference (bar the slightly cool rendition on the Oppo).
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Sorry...my screenshot wouldn't upload (maybe it's a HDR thing lol)