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Retweet this https://twitter.com/xboxfanj/status/263413673643630593
And send this to all applicable LG support channels
Why are you alienating the development enthusiasts with your Optimus G? It has unparalleled hardware, but the locked bootloader makes it a tough sell for myself and the development enthusiasts at XDA, RootzWiki, and many more sites, and it also makes me unlikely to recommend it to my friends and family who go to me for advice on their technological purchases (and people who go to other development experts around the world). Samsung has unlocked bootloaders. Motorola and HTC have unlockable bootloaders. Now, it's time to step it up, LG and follow suit. I know you don't want me and millions of people like me to buy from your competitors. So fix it!
I really want to buy your Optimus G and have the beautiful design and amazing S4 Pro processor, but if I have to forfeit that to be able to use my phone how I would like, that's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
There are 1,310 people and counting who have signed this petition asking for an unlockable bootloader, so get your act together, LG.
http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
This could propel you ahead of Samsung, Apple, and HTC, since your hardware at the moment is by far the best, but your software, updates, and developer support are lacking. An unlockable bootloader would end these complaints and make hundreds of thousands of people more likely to buy an Optimus G.
And don't forget to sign this petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
Together, we can make LG change.
Together, we can make the Optimus G a better phone.
Let's unite and make LG unlock those bootloaders, just as consumers have made HTC and Motorola do the same.
This too: https://twitter.com/xboxfanj/status/263415788218753024
And send that to their other channels as well. The more people that send this, the more likely it is that LG will acquiesce.
Here is the response I got from LG's email:
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The bootloader is locked, Jake, at the Carrier's request I'm afraid.
If you are looking for a Developer device, however, then you can look forward to a device that Google should be announcing sometime this week.
So sorry about the inconvenience this has caused, and I hope you have a great day!
That's BS since Sprint, my carrier, doesn't have any locked devices.
I told them that and haven't heard back yet.
Yes! we need this to get in the google search rankings, so android owners (non lg) can even participate. If anyone has some clout with any android news sites, etc, please flex that muscle!!
svntsvn said:
Yes! we need this to get in the google search rankings, so android owners (non lg) can even participate. If anyone has some clout with any android news sites, etc, please flex that muscle!!
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Ooh great idea. I will try to take care of that.
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Over on the LG optimus g forum a few spots above thus in they are really close to unlocking this. They have everything so it's a matter of time now. I don't do this stuff anymore but I'm happy for this.
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Over on the LG optimus g forum a few spots above thus in they are really close to unlocking this. They have everything so it's a matter of time now. I don't do this stuff anymore but I'm happy for this.
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Yep. Its almost unlocked. Sextape hooked thecubed up with some leaked files and thecubed is using those to hack the bootloader.
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Yep. Its almost unlocked. Sextape hooked thecubed up with some leaked files and thecubed is using those to hack the bootloader.
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The minute after it DOES get unlocked, LG gets some of my money. Of course, the Nexus 4 is right around the corner, but I figure buying this model is the better long-term acquisition because of the massive upside.
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The minute after it DOES get unlocked, LG gets some of my money. Of course, the Nexus 4 is right around the corner, but I figure buying this model is the better long-term acquisition because of the massive upside.
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If you feel generous, maybe support the people who helped make it happen: primarily thecubed and sextape and also kmdm and shellnut2 and one more guy, who I forget.
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If you feel generous, maybe support the people who helped make it happen: primarily thecubed and sextape and also kmdm and shellnut2 and one more guy, who I forget.
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I will probably do so next week. The wife gets a little angry when I donate too often, and I donated to help a guy who got scammed in the MP this week.
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I will probably do so next week. The wife gets a little angry when I donate too often, and I donated to help a guy who got scammed in the MP this week.
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That's very nice of you.
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Locked bootloader eh? That's a deal breaker.
And if they do unlock it eventually they'll probably impose some method of being able to tell it's been unlocked, like my Vivid's "relocked" text if you relock voiding any chance of a warranty claim if it breaks.
Bummer. Really figured this phone might be better than the nexus 4 since it's pretty much identical but has more storage, an sd and lte. If it was unlocked, you could pretty much make it a nexus with no compromises.
Also pretty pathetic it only has 4.03 on it. What's with manufacturers releasing new phones with outdated oses on it?
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Need some advice; should I buy the Motorola Atrix 4G or Sony Xperia Sola? I plan to use it with Straight Talk AT&T.
I'd go with the xperia if you have no other option. The Atrix has better specs but you'll at least start out with ICS on that and likely get JB later on. Moto has all nut abandoned the Atrix and aside from a small patch coming soon it has little life left before it's ancient history.
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I'd go with the xperia if you have no other option. The Atrix has better specs but you'll at least start out with ICS on that and likely get JB later on. Moto has all nut abandoned the Atrix and aside from a small patch coming soon it has little life left before it's ancient history.
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Interesting, so you have the Atrix but you'd rather have the Sola?
I posted the same thread in the Sola forum and 2 voted for the Atrix while 2 voted for the Sola. I suppose it's a toss-up
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Interesting, so you have the Atrix but you'd rather have the Sola?
I posted the same thread in the Sola forum and 2 voted for the Atrix while 2 voted for the Sola. I suppose it's a toss-up
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No, I'd rather have a phone that can be upgraded. I love the Atrix but for 'financial reasons' it's been ditched by it's manufacturer offering virtually no further support.
Although there is a slight possibility of an agreement whereby we may be able to get source for the upgrades, there won't be any official upgrades. To me there is no excuse for such poor support of a device. Particularly when you consider far more complex computers receiving updates sometimes a decade or more after it's release. I do give at least some respect (even though I shouldn't) for the fact that they dug themselves a hole to support far too many devices at once with a runaway release of newer ones each year which makes it logistically impossible to support them.
Get neither, wait for Motorola X. Should be as cheap as Nexus 4 if rumors are true.
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Get neither, wait for Motorola X. Should be as cheap as Nexus 4 if rumors are true.
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Definitely not the direction I'm going in. Seems a bit too much like rewarding them for failing to deliver on the updates and gives them more incentive to do the same thing all over again knowing that people will still keep buying regardless of how much they fail to deliver.
Matrix is a good phone Motorola threw it away I got HTC Onex on Att bench mark stock 7600 never got close to that with. Atrix
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absolutely SONY，MOTO had lost customer‘s trust.
Xperia Sola.
Sony or Samsung.
Xperia Sola. It have much better support, plus, it will get ported stock JB.
If you seek for a latest update, minimal usage(surfing,text,mainstream games)get the Sola. Overall experience, I'd go for Atrix eventho it got left behind with Gingy..
The Atrix have tons of awesome hardware (fingerprint sensor etc) , nice build quality and better audio. If you're much of a customizing and not afraid of unlocking your phone, go for Atrix
Don't buy an operator branded Sony handset! Unbranded ones are great, and very well supported but going by my experience with a friend's Xperia U, branded handsets are locked down like Fort Knox.
Why not an atrix2?
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Definitely not the direction I'm going in. Seems a bit too much like rewarding them for failing to deliver on the updates and gives them more incentive to do the same thing all over again knowing that people will still keep buying regardless of how much they fail to deliver.
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Motorola isn't the only company that has screwed someone over. Anyways the Motorola X is going to be the first phone released with Key Lime Pie. So technically it's a Nexus without its branding, like the Xoom which got updates all the way til 4.1
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Motorola isn't the only company that has screwed someone over. Anyways the Motorola X is going to be the first phone released with Key Lime Pie. So technically it's a Nexus without its branding, like the Xoom which got updates all the way til 4.1
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They may not be the only company that screwed anyone over, but for a number of people, they are the one that made the device that people are currently stuck with no updates and the only reward for brand loyalty is mixing some shards of glass into the lube on your next purchase. What incentive do I or anyone else have to take another chance on Motorola?
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Motorola isn't the only company that has screwed someone over. Anyways the Motorola X is going to be the first phone released with Key Lime Pie. So technically it's a Nexus without its branding, like the Xoom which got updates all the way til 4.1
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I'm sure the AT&T Motorola X will come especially locked to prevent you accidentally installing a 'software update' if such a thing even exists. and for those who like to dig deeper, a special feature to shoot you in the face if you try to unlock the bootloader.
No thanks, never again. I won't give the company any money on principal, even if the next Nexus is a Motorola, and it's otherwise great.
That's why I'm going with the T-Mobile unsubsidized plans, and if it's as cheap as the Nexus 4 unlocked I'm going to get it.
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That's why I'm going with the T-Mobile unsubsidized plans, and if it's as cheap as the Nexus 4 unlocked I'm going to get it.
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Sad Motorola boycotter is sad to hear that XDA members will not be boycotting crappy companies who need to apologise for their crappy ways and sort this situation out by releasing kernel source at the very least.
They'll do it again, I'm sure. Don't get burned. I mean, they promised to change their ways just before cancelling the Atrix update.
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Sad Motorola boycotter is sad to hear that XDA members will not be boycotting crappy companies who need to apologise for their crappy ways and sort this situation out by releasing kernel source at the very least.
They'll do it again, I'm sure. Don't get burned. I mean, they promised to change their ways just before cancelling the Atrix update.
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Agreed. However, I was just looking at AT&T's current offerings, with the exception of a couple devices, their Android lineup is the most underwhelming thing I've seen since my LG Vu.
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T-Mobile's lineup doesn't look much better.
why did htc one comes in both dev and regular why can just they make one inst that like ripping people off
because the carriers want it locked down because a lot of dumbasses its true mess up their device when installing wrong ROMs and kernels. run to ATT and say the phone doesn't work omg I hate HTC. So ATT exchanges it then finds out the phone was rooted and unlocked and caused by user error.
That is why they release different versions
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This is one of the greatest things HTC could have done, now most people don't have to be stuck with Sense if they don't want to be. It also appears that the 64GB may be At&t exclusive, so the Dev Edition is a lifesaver for some T-Mobile customers.
For its price and what it offers out if the box is great
Plus it makes sense lol because not every customer knows about rooting and stuff. But it would be great if they were able too.
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I fail to see your reasoning. So, you don't want choices?
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Same price yet present unlocked.... Sounds better to me
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See poll above
Unlikely
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I hate polls you can't see them on Tapatalk. But I think it looks like all we will ever have is root.
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Do you guys know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? Honestly, I think it will happen, ive learned a lot just so I can try to help solve this too. The more negative people are about it though the less likely people will be to discuss it or be motivated to do it.
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Realistically the only people "qualified" to answer this question would be a developer working on this. Anything a normal user says is pure speculation.
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I don't mind speculation.
If enough of us wish for it to happen than maybe it will (remember Peter Pan?)
There's a way around everything.
Self fulfilling prophecy theory is lame. Not only is it fake but a lazy way to think. The only ones who can figure it out are the ones trying to hack it. The rest of the people can think whatever they want. They have no impact on it happening or not.
With that said I do not believe this will be unlocked. The beauty of design in this thing limits the amount of roads one can take to attack it. Its never been cracked and its been tried for well over a year spanning multiple devices. We only had a *unlock* because of leaked info. That's it. If that didn't happen we would all have nothing.
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I am optimistic but honestly I will likely be on the next device GN3 or something else long before it happens. Yet I still offered up my money to help motivate those who can get it done.
Odds Key Lime Pie for S4 happens?
As a previous Verizon user, I don't see this being unlocked.. Sorry
Not holding my breath. Anyone like to purchase a brand new GS4? I will never buy another phone before doing some homework. Good luck to those trying.
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The real question isn't will it be unlocked (it won't be). It's will a leaked unlocked bootloader become available.
This is basically bad new for anyone wanting a phone with SDcard support and an unlocked boot loader in the future on VZW or AT&T. Samsung is the only SD option now... And it looks like they've got this boot loader thing locked down (no pun intended), at least when it comes up Qualcomm. If the Note 3 uses an s800, I don't see why the boot loader situation would be any different from the S4 and S4 active...
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Vote with your goddamned wallets!
I hate to also be the voice of reason but the sad reality is that this booting processes is sealed up tight and it's all Verizon's doing. I'm here for my room mate who hates his stock S4 with a passion but absolutely loves my CM10.x+OC S4...I just switched from Sprint to T-Mobile, for networks. I considered Verizon and ATT but having had friends with Verizon phones (Motos especially) over the past few years I knew that it was nearly pointless, save for a leaked engineering/unlocked signed bootloader or 1 chance at an exploit on release-day firmware before it was sealed up tight and likely for good.
It's not that I have no hope, there's always a chance and there is always a way...but with each successive breach of such a system the next iteration becomes exponentially more difficult to overcome.
I stuck with Sprint's haggard network for years because I knew they didn't give phone hackers a hard time. I switched to T-Mobile because I did my research and found the same. HTC capitulated on their new locked and encryption signed bootloaders after the EVO3D debacle a few years back.
As for my new Samsung Galaxy S4? I had my phone for 20 minutes before I flashed a custom recovery and had a CM10.1 nightly running with a custom 2.2ghz OC kernel that comes with tons of governors, tons of IO schedulers...on light use with screen turned down low, OC'd to 135mhz/2.1ghz I can get almost 2 days out of my phone and it is smooth as effing silk like no phone I've ever seen...and I've had no wakelock problems.
This phone screams.
Am I bragging? Sure...but not to hurt your feelings. I'm sick of companies acting like THEY own the computer that YOU bought for YOUR pocket. I'm bragging to enrage you.
Vote with your goddamned wallets. I did when HTC wouldn't unload their bootlockers (lol), and Samsung will forever have my business unless they start that crap too (or their phones start to suck)....same goes for T-Mobile. (Protip: stick to the underdogs. You get far better customer service and far more leeway...when you are #1 and #2 you appear to not need to try anymore and treating your customers like idiot children and criminals is somehow acceptable).
This isn't Samsung's doing...ask any Sprint, T-Mobile or international model owners.
Vote with your goddamned wallets.
I wish the best to you my brethren. Good luck and happy hacking.
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Yeah I agree...I'm sorry for starting it
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Yeah I agree...I'm sorry for starting it
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Lol.
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I wouldn't give out hope. The Droid dna took ages but they finally got it. Sometimes it just takes time. Be patient.
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There's a way around everything.
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True, but sometimes the trip the way around is so long, almost nobody will care in the end.
Since the bootloader is still unlockable, what are your thoughts on the continual development of ROMS, etc on the S4 ? Do you feel that future of S4 development is doomed? I recently just purchased my s4 and was one of the lucky few who were able to unlock theirrs prior to the mess. However, now I feel that I might have regretted buying one.
Thoughts?
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Since the bootloader is still unlockable, what are your thoughts on the continual development of ROMS, etc on the S4 ? Do you feel that future of S4 development is doomed? I recently just purchased my s4 and was one of the lucky few who were able to unlock theirrs prior to the mess. However, now I feel that I might have regretted buying one.
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Esquew me? Me no thinks it's unlockable
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I think you meant that you rooted it and got custom recovery installed on the pre-updated MDK. No one has unlocked the bootloader on any S4 came with it locked.
There never was an unlocked bootloader save for the developer edition only available direct from Samsung.
Development for the i545 is far from dying if you look through the forum. The fact that the bounty for root and recovery on ME7 is several thousand dollars should be telling.
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I agree. This is one of the most popular devices out at the moment. I dont see development dying out anytime soon.
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Its fine at the moment and in the near future but could see it lose some people once Note 3 and other devices come out esp if bootloader exploit isn't found on new update
There will always be TW & cm ROMs. I think the question should've been "How long until no one has a mdk device?" Unless a new exploit is found of course...
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Have you looked in the development sections to see that there are plenty of developers committed to the furthering of development?
Have Faith
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There will always be TW & cm ROMs. I think the question should've been "How long until no one has a mdk device?" Unless a new exploit is found of course...
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I agree this may be the only problem... As people lose devices and get warranty replacements with the new firmware the development will slowly die off with no unlock available
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I agree this may be the only problem... As people lose devices and get warranty replacements with the new firmware the development will slowly die off with no unlock available
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You bring up a good point... buy a very good case for your phone! At this point if you crack the screen, water damage, etc... you would be screwed and forced to stay stock me7 or sell your refurbished phone
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bajasur said:
You bring up a good point... buy a very good case for your phone! At this point if you crack the screen, water damage, etc... you would be screwed and forced to stay stock me7 or sell your refurbished phone
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Im there now had to order a new one. Mine seems fried and wont connect to LTE with new sim and everything. My luck the new one will be on ME7
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Im there now had to order a new one. Mine seems fried and wont connect to LTE with new sim and everything. My luck the new one will be on ME7
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That's a bummer.. sorry man. Just have to keep praying someone will unlock this thing...
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I assume the devs that have a verizon s4 themselves will continue to develop for the phone. Also it is possible to use some roms cross carrier if you use a verizon kernel and change the apn.
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I assume the devs that have a verizon s4 themselves will continue to develop for the phone. Also it is possible to use some roms cross carrier if you use a verizon kernel and change the apn.
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This. But there's evidence all around (check forums) that devs tend to stop developing for devices with to small of a user base.
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True but there is definitely not a small user base for the s4. Its one of the most popular devices at the moment.
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True but there is definitely not a small user base for the s4. Its one of the most popular devices at the moment.
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Even if people start breaking/losing their MDK phones, there's still GPE and Dev versions. Should still see development for those, which will be of help to us MDK folks as well.
If you end up having to exchange it, and you get an ME7, could always sell it and put that cash towards a Dev edition as well.
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Even if people start breaking/losing their MDK phones, there's still GPE and Dev versions. Should still see development for those, which will be of help to us MDK folks as well.
If you end up having to exchange it, and you get an ME7, could always sell it and put that cash towards a Dev edition as well.
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GE phones are fine and dandy but none exist for VZW, just like VZW has no nexus phones, because they want complete control over the devices and the software.
I currently have an S3 and when my contracts runs out I will either move to another carrier and buy GE phones or buy Dev phones off contract for verizon, but I'm more inclined to go elsewhere and go with GE phones.
When it's announced(hopefully) I'll be ordering my developer edition note 3. As far as the gs4 goes, I only know of 1 developer who stopped developing for the gs4. No one else who has started has quit.
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Since the bootloader is still unlockable, what are your thoughts on the continual development of ROMS, etc on the S4 ? Do you feel that future of S4 development is doomed? I recently just purchased my s4 and was one of the lucky few who were able to unlock theirrs prior to the mess. However, now I feel that I might have regretted buying one.
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I've had similar concerns. I took it as a reason to learn some of this stuff on my own. I've been building cm 10.2 from source to start. That said, I'm less concerned about development now but I will continue to learn how to do as much as I can on my own. I just hope I never physically damage the phone beyond usability. This is the first time I've had a case on a phone. I hate cases but it's worth reducing the chance of a cracked screen.
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I want to hope team synergy has something major up their sleeves for us... trevE is literally a genius so I'm anxious for an announcement from that crew.
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