Hello all, I have been wondering about all of this KNOX stuff. I understand what it does and that once you flag it you can "never" go back, and that your warranty is voided... BUT I hope there is people (with a much greater understanding than I) looking into this.
Resetting your KNOX count to 0x0 after you install a custom OS.
I don't know about you all, but I like the saying "never say never".
There is not a thread that I saw concerning knox on the S5, so why not start one now? Who has tripped KNOX on their S5?
Has there been any cases where although you rooted and flashed a rom, your KNOX count stayed at 0x0?
nubsgohard said:
Hello all, I have been wondering about all of this KNOX stuff. I understand what it does and that once you flag it you can "never" go back, and that your warranty is voided... BUT I hope there is people (with a much greater understanding than I) looking into this.
Resetting your KNOX count to 0x0 after you install a custom OS.
I don't know about you all, but I like the saying "never say never".
There is not a thread that I saw concerning knox on the S5, so why not start one now? Who has tripped KNOX on their S5?
Has there been any cases where although you rooted and flashed a rom, your KNOX count stayed at 0x0?
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Everyone has tripped their knox counter. there has been recent developments I believe on the note 3 side of things. Ways to undo it to my understanding. More importantly it kinda let's go of the thought that it was a fuse, hardware issue. Looking more like a software, it's possible. Who knows when or if ever comes here
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Check this. ..
http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-now-secured-with-knox-2-0-20140507/
Hmmm
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daxecutioner24 said:
Everyone has tripped their knox counter. there has been recent developments I believe on the note 3 side of things. Ways to undo it to my understanding. More importantly it kinda let's go of the thought that it was a fuse, hardware issue. Looking more like a software, it's possible. Who knows when or if ever comes here
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Interesting. I dont think it is hardware related either. I think it will be found out sooner or later.
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Odds are its permanent. After reading some posts from the big, recognized kernel devs, it seems like its an eFuse that gets blown when knox is tripped. The only way to fix a blown fuse is to replace it. The progress they made on the note 3 will likely have nothing to do with us, it seems the exynos has a different implementation of knox than qualcomm.
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Reynaldinho111 said:
Odds are its permanent. After reading some posts from the big, recognized kernel devs, it seems like its an eFuse that gets blown when knox is tripped. The only way to fix a blown fuse is to replace it. The progress they made on the note 3 will likely have nothing to do with us, it seems the exynos has a different implementation of knox than qualcomm.
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Oh okay, I hope that isnt the case. So if it is a fuse, it can be replaced... is that an option if you want it reset?
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Basically all Knox does is just void your devices warranty? I tripped my Knox counter on my Gs4 and I still did a warranty replacement with no problems.Im a little confused here about Knox could someone please explain a little bit. Thanks In advance!!!
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Oh okay, I hope that isnt the case. So if it is a fuse, it can be replaced... is that an option if you want it reset?
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I guess its possible if it's a hardware fuse, although it'll be damn hard. The alternative is its some sort of deeply embedded kernel partition type thing (im clearly not a developer ) that only samsung signed pckages can write to. I think our best bet would be to find a way to bypass the knox check at boot and find a way to "trick" the kernel into thinking its not tripped, you following? Again im not a developer so i dont know if this is even a legitimate possibility.
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xda23 said:
Basically all Knox does is just void your devices warranty? I tripped my Knox counter on my Gs4 and I still did a warranty replacement with no problems.Im a little confused here about Knox could someone please explain a little bit. Thanks In advance!!!
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Knox is implemented differently in the two devices. My understanding is that in the S4 it was provided in an OTA update and is software based. It seems like its Hardware based on the S5.
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Interesting article on KNOX, it states that it is implemented in the hardware as well as the software.
http://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2013/02/25/Samsung-unveils-Samsung-KNOX-for-secure-BYOD-1
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2481590
looks like they got it done on verizon. i hope they can get on sprint, then i may consider upgrading!
Shouldnt be long now...
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A word of caution that this root workaround to not trigger the Knox flag is only for rooting the device. Flashing a custom recovery and/or custom rom after this root workaround still triggers the Knox flag to increase as listed in the FAQ.
It is a start but its not the full solution. Still good to have for those that are just buying the Note 3 or not rooted their device yet that have been waiting for a workaround.
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A word of caution that this root workaround to not trigger the Knox flag is only for rooting the device. Flashing a custom recovery and/or custom rom after this root workaround still triggers the Knox flag to increase as listed in the FAQ.
It is a start but its not the full solution. Still good to have for those that are just buying the Note 3 or not rooted their device yet that have been waiting for a workaround.
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I'll gladly take it for now
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I'll gladly take it for now
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Me too. If I could get just root without flipping that flag I would be such a happy camper. I'm sure it'll come.
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Looks like he took a look at making this work for us but needs the stock m15 tar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2479952
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Looks like he took a look at making this work for us but needs the stock m15 tar
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2479952
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Will this work for people who have already triggered the binary KNOX counter? Will this reset it or is it a rooting method that doesn't flip the switch?
Edit: Nevermind, I can't read apparently. The answer is No and No/Yes.
Kompster said:
Will this work for people who have already triggered the binary KNOX counter? Will this reset it or is it a rooting method that doesn't flip the switch?
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It's just a method that doesn't flip the switch. It will not reset the counter if it has been flipped. Also it's for root only. flashing a custom kernel/recovery will still pop the knox flag.
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And they have a locked bootloader on be right?
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And they have a locked bootloader on vw right?
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Added the sprint version.. it is only MI3, but it will at least confirm the method works
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2479952
Knox sdk without root
Does anyone have the full sdk for a non rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 3 user? I just want KNOX installed on my device.
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Added the sprint version.. it is only MI3, but it will at least confirm the method works
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2479952
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You are awesome.
Now I just have to decide whether to attempt a downgrade or wait a bit longer.
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mjcollum said:
You are awesome.
Now I just have to decide whether to attempt a downgrade or wait a bit longer.
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Actually I'm kinda curious if you could downgrade to MI3. Root it. Use xposed to fake the system status. And get the ota. Without loosing root. Or tripping a knox flag.
Guess I'll have to free up some time to go read through the other thread.
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Here's where we stand so far on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484095
Hello
I need to use Knox now but also S Note. On my Note 3 there is a Knox version but not for the 10.1.
Is there a way to sideload it?
Could anyone upload it then, please.
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Well I'm not the best one to answer. There are many here more qualified. But Knox is a security app for Samsung that tells them if you changed the stock recovery or rooted the device. Kind of a use it and lose it (your warrantee ).
I am going to root, but first I'm going to be doing a lot of reading. That's how I did it with my other devices.
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But Knox is a security app for Samsung that tells them if you changed the stock recovery or rooted the device.
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That is the big misunderstanding here. You are talking now about a also so called Knox-Bit which works like you explained. But Knox is much more and much different because it is a system appendix from Samsung to have a secure Android platform. Which means that in some companies this is a must before connection to their internal network. And to have this work environment means that you need special apps which work together with Knox.
See more here.
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Flyer.michael said:
I need to use Knox now but also S Note. On my Note 3 there is a Knox version but not for the 10.1.
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I thought that the installed version already work together with Knox.
I didn't have Knox any longer so i can't check it
did ya check folder "samsung" in app drawer ? after you click knox it will ask ya if ya wanna install it
Flyer.michael said:
Hello
I need to use Knox now but also S Note. On my Note 3 there is a Knox version but not for the 10.1.
Is there a way to sideload it?
Could anyone upload it then, please.
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No side loading inside Knox
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Alright everyone of us is waiting for the release of Android 4.4.2 for our device. But does anyone knows if this firmware update, changes the bootloader and adds Knox compatibility? Like Knox warranty 0x0 or something like that that s4 and note 3 has?
Use the sticky thread for discussion of 4.4, it's only vapourware for the i9300 so don't hold your breath.
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4.4 for the S3 will most likely add knox
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4.4 for the S3 will most likely add knox
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OK and if I have previously rooted Mt phone, when I was on Android 4.3 without Knox, and then used triangle away, and restored my phone to official, and applied the firmware update to 4.4 Will I have any issue with Knox?
Thanks in advance
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Use the sticky thread for discussion of 4.4, it's only vapourware for the i9300 so don't hold your breath.
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I've seen that this thread is only for spamming, I've searched in there and the only thing I was able to read was that 3 or more XDA members arguing...
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Maybe we get Knox , but not with that 0x0 thing , its eFuse which s3 dosent have.
d1rekt0r said:
Maybe we get Knox , but not with that 0x0 thing , its eFuse which s3 dosent have.
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Knox doesn't use eFuse.
We're not getting 4.4 so no need to worry about it.
First, already Samsung Galaxy s3 sprint got kitkat and it's very unlikely for us not to receive the kitkat. Second, I don't mean the Knox application,,but the bootloader, I know about efuse but I'm not sure about something. For example if Samsung was sure that they will develop later a software like Knox and had put efuse inside the s3, but inactive until this update,?
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The sprint s3 has different hardware, the i9300 won't be getting official 4.4. Don't see what the fuss is about, having used 4.4 on the s4 I was only impressed by how many things didn't work, like flash and any apps that use the external sd.
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For the time since having an android phone I haven't rooted on day 1. But this horrible tether limit is getting annoying and I think I'm going to root. I haven't yet because of this Knox business, if were not any closer to rooting without tripping the Knox I'm going to do it tonight..
Does anyone know of anyone working on a way to root without tripping it yet?? Or does it look like its not going to happen???
Thanks
fastfed said:
For the time since having an android phone I haven't rooted on day 1. But this horrible tether limit is getting annoying and I think I'm going to root. I haven't yet because of this Knox business, if were not any closer to rooting without tripping the Knox I'm going to do it tonight..
Does anyone know of anyone working on a way to root without tripping it yet?? Or does it look like its not going to happen???
Thanks
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Not gonna happen any time soon
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Thanks.. Rooting now!
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Not gonna happen any time soon
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What makes you say that? On the note 3, the root which didn't trip Knox came out one week after the first root
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What makes you say that? On the note 3, the root which didn't trip Knox came out one week after the first root
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As far as I know the Note 3 had knox implemented in an ota update, meaning its software based. The S5, however, has a hardware implementation in the form of an efuse which blows when a non samsung signed kernel is flashed. At least thats my understanding
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Reynaldinho111 said:
As far as I know the Note 3 had knox implemented in an ota update, meaning its software based. The S5, however, has a hardware implementation in the form of an efuse which blows when a non samsung signed kernel is flashed. At least thats my understanding
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Are you referring to the S4 because the Note 3 has the same efuse crap S5 has. Was the first phone with it
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Are you referring to the S4 because the Note 3 has the same efuse crap S5 has. Was the first phone with it
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No I had my facts slightly wrong. You're right it does have the efuse and can now be rooted without tripping knox but custom recoveries will still trip it.
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Which root method doesn't trip Knox?
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Which root method doesn't trip Knox?
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There isnt one for the S5
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There isnt one for the S5
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Screw it, thats what I think at least. Personally, I don't ever see me needing to get warranty on this phone. As for the Jump plan I have, they never checked a thing when I went in, so I assume I'll be good when that happens. I ahve insurance so even if it did break/malfunction, I'll just break it and pay the 150.00 bucks
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Screw it, thats what I think at least. Personally, I don't ever see me needing to get warranty on this phone. As for the Jump plan I have, they never checked a thing when I went in, so I assume I'll be good when that happens. I ahve insurance so even if it did break/malfunction, I'll just break it and pay the 150.00 bucks
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Exactly. Or report it as stolen and sell the parts
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So rooting doesn't cause knox tripping, but custom recovery will?
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So rooting doesn't cause knox tripping, but custom recovery will?
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Right... however we dont have a method of rooting that doesnt use a custom recovery
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I don't see the big deal with knox. With knox tripped the tmobile store will still take it no problem. Usually the first thing I do when I get a phone is root it and knox is never a worry of mine
damaged82 said:
I don't see the big deal with knox. With knox tripped the tmobile store will still take it no problem. Usually the first thing I do when I get a phone is root it and knox is never a worry of mine
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Except we've had some reports of people being declined by tmobile because of tripped knox
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Except we've had some reports of people being declined by tmobile because of tripped knox
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a person I know tripped a knox in....note 2 i think? swapped it with a new note 2 because he dropped it. when he went to get the note 3, Tmobile declined him unless if he paid up front because of the knox. he used insurance to get it switched out. So they do check at some point it seems and note you.
Watch out, they will be checking
fastfed said:
Screw it, thats what I think at least. Personally, I don't ever see me needing to get warranty on this phone. As for the Jump plan I have, they never checked a thing when I went in, so I assume I'll be good when that happens. I ahve insurance so even if it did break/malfunction, I'll just break it and pay the 150.00 bucks
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You may have skipped by and got lucky like me the first time, but I know for a fact that the policy of the Jump company is telling them to check the KNOX counter. I believe and was told at the TMO store that they will be checking and are required to check otherwise the Jump program will take the money from TMO. So TMO is now going to hold employees accountable who do not check to see if KNOX is tripped and JUMP catches it. Just saying, hate to waste one hundred and fifty dollars every time I jump! It's bad enough just paying the damn sales tax! Then buying all the extras like a case, battery, etc.
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damaged82 said:
I don't see the big deal with knox. With knox tripped the tmobile store will still take it no problem. Usually the first thing I do when I get a phone is root it and knox is never a worry of mine
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You realize Knox was not on my Galaxy Note 3 when I received it, it came almost six months later. It is now a hardware, firmware feature of the phone and the TMO stores will be checking for it. We all got lucky this last time around but it will not be so when it comes time to Jump again. So be aware of that and find other ways to replace your phone or you'll be paying extra every time.
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So rooting doesn't cause knox tripping, but custom recovery will?
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Reynaldinho111 said:
Right... however we dont have a method of rooting that doesnt use a custom recovery
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For me, flashing Philz custom recovery through ODIN did not trip my bootloader's knox counter. I thought it was very odd and that maybe I got lucky. Then I flashed the SU zip file through the custom recovery and then my counter was tripped.
Instead of doing an insurance replacement, you could just do a free warranty replacement to get a phone without knox tripped.
Don't mean to troll, but on a side note, we poor AT&T S5 folks are waiting for even a very basic root
Hi,
I am using note 8 SM-N9500. I have rooted my mobile and it tripped Knox 0x1 and then SPay and SHealth stopped working. Now again i have unrooted it and installed Official OS. But now Samsung pay and Samsung health are not working even though i am running official OS.
Someone please let me know is there a way to resolve it or to get Knox 0x0 again or else atleast Spay & Shealth to get work?
There's no way. Knox uses a hardware validation, when you rooted you triggered the Knox hardware. You can get around this situation with Samsung Health using a custom rom, but Samsung Pay is gone forever.
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h1ghland3r said:
There's no way. Knox uses a hardware validation, when you rooted you triggered the Knox hardware. You can get around this situation with Samsung Health using a custom rom, but Samsung Pay is gone forever.
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Knox is a Hardware/Software? if it is a hardware can we replace with new?
giri.sgc said:
Knox is a Hardware/Software? if it is a hardware can we replace with new?
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Yes, it's hardware and software. Only changing the motherboard.
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