Just got my Z2 and I'm practicing in offline/unregistered mode because I plan to use the phone without Internet during a trip abroad. Got OsmAnd installed with maps etc.
Problem is, I can't enable GPS without agreeing to some data collection on me:
The device will download information about your current location to improve the performance
Agree/Disagree
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"The device"? Is this some SONY crap, or Google's Android? How will performance be improved?
How do I disable this if I don't want my location sent to some random server? If I Disagree, GPS stays disabled.
dandv said:
Just got my Z2 and I'm practicing in offline/unregistered mode because I plan to use the phone without Internet during a trip abroad. Got OsmAnd installed with maps etc.
Problem is, I can't enable GPS without agreeing to some data collection on me:
"The device"? Is this some SONY crap, or Google's Android? How will performance be improved?
How do I disable this if I don't want my location sent to some random server? If I Disagree, GPS stays disabled.
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In the Location menu in settings, set Location mode to "Device only", you'll notice if you select "High Accuracy", not only does it say it'll use Wi-Fi and mobile networks to determine location, it'll also have the notice about data usage pop up, Device only means it will solely use GPS to determine location.
Probably to help get the initial fix for your position?
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dilema said:
Probably to help get the initial fix for your position?
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Imagine High Accuracy mode as A-GPS, using data networks to download GPS coordinates as well as getting your location from IP address location and network proximaty etc
Device only wont use any data networks or cellular information either, try it out anyway, take your sim card out and turn wifi off and go for a walk, see if it works.
It just downloads agps data which helps, making the gps fix much faster. Since this download may charge your service fee, you get the warning. Its nothing about Sony, every phone with gps does that.
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Hi,
I'm just wondering why my GPS doesn't work without internet connection. It just can't connect to any sattelite. I'm currently using PFGPS v2.0 FIX for my country (Poland) and I don't see any changes. What is wrong?
It requires Internet to load the maps
Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
Brajano95 said:
Can I load maps now to use GPS without internet connection if I'm not in wifi area?
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how can you load maps without internet connection ??
I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
Brajano95 said:
I'm at home now so I can do it cause I have wifi here :/
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so you have wifi that means you are connected to the internet!!!
for GPS it can only find your position but can't display your location on a map without an internet connection so GPS needs one.
I will wait for answer from another person. Thank you.
There is an application on the market(related to sports/tracking) that allows you to download a portion of a map and then you can use your GPS offline(no data connection). When I get home I will look for it(I have it on my tablet).
Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Correct me if I am wrong but Brajano95 means that is it possible to load the maps on his wifi connection and keep then saved when he is out and about to allow the gps to connect. You used to be able to do this in the google labs section on google maps but they've since taken it away unless you look for an older version. Otherwise have a look for third party map app on the android market which allows downloading of map data to the phone
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Thats exactly what I'm talking about! Now I'm downloading Sygic Aura (about 550 mb) and will test it later.
Because GPS and Maps on CM7 suck balls at best. Maps is using your I.P. for the GPS coordinates when on WIFI, without it Maps is counting on a reliable signal from your GPS; and that's just not going to happen with CM7.
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You can use iGo My Way
I know a fair bit about the GPS module in the Ace so i will comment. I think someone has already told you that it is possible to operate the Ace with preloaded maps. Likewise, i thought that the OP's choice of Sygic Navigation is a fair one.
Back to the original question in the title. GPS can operate with or without internet be it wifi or data e.g. 3G/2G. The difference is how fast you can obtain a GPS lock. Without using any positioning help from data connectivity, you are looking at a lock time of possibly 15 minutes thereabout.
There are 4 modes of operation possible for the GPS module in the Ace which is actually Qualcomm's GpsONE.
1.) Standalone (Slowest using positioning information in cache and smart polling)
2.) MS-Based (Sends data to nearby cell tower(s) and makes use of GPS transceivers in the cell tower(s)
3.) MS-Assisted (Similar to MS-Based BUT data connectivity is broken when GPS transceiver is online. I don't quite like that!)
4.) MS-Based/Hybrid (You need to have superb data connectivity probably cell tower signal strength should be in the -50dBm region. Not very useful in real life usage)
i have had my own thread for fixing GPS, so read up if you want to know more here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320626
first you need the maps to use it offline, and the correct gps.conf for your location http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284506, then you can use it without internet
Mapdroyd is a great app that allows you to download maps for offline use. Unfortunately there isn't offline navigation though..
Hi,
I've solved my problem, just install Sygic! Thanks for helping guys
btw u dont need too install anything.. go to google labs inside maps and add map cache.. now long press a location on map.. click the arrow on the address and u ll see an option to cache that area.. the steps may not be accurate as i tried it a long time back and dont have my phone with me but its possible and what u have to do will be more or less the same...
Simple poll. Do you have "Use Wireless Networks" enabled, or not? Feel free to post why or why not... battery life concerns? Privacy concerns?
No. Privacy/tinfoil hat concerns.
Nope. It serves as a battery drain and privacy issues. I dont see any reason to use it since I dont use Facebook or Foresquare checkins.
Yes I do. I am always near a charging solution so battery life is no concern to me. Also, I wanna meet the aliens...
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Nope. It serves as a battery drain and privacy issues. I dont see any reason to use it since I dont use Facebook or Foresquare checkins.
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Same, though I rarely use FB check ins if I go somewhere special with the lady and want to have bragging rights with friends.
Noone uses it to automatically update weather locations?
godefroi said:
Noone uses it to automatically update weather locations?
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What's the point? I know where I'm going to be before I go there.
I use it for tasker, have it set to turn on wifi when I'm near home.
It checked ON by default, so yes, I am keeping it as default.
I don't deal with social networking sites but using it for weather update and GMaps.
twiggums said:
I use it for tasker, have it set to turn on wifi when I'm near home.
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I use Llama to do the same thing. Llama uses cell tower IDs to know where you are instead of polling WiFi or GPS... result=negligible battery drain overhead.
jazzboyrules said:
I use Llama to do the same thing. Llama uses cell tower IDs to know where you are instead of polling WiFi or GPS... result=negligible battery drain overhead.
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Isn't that what "use wireless networks" does?. I've got my GPS disabled and obviously my wifi is too, so it's just using towers to calculate general location
I have mine turned on, as I use the navigation feature and I like my weather to be updated regularly, although the widget seems to be a tad touchy. Still, with the battery life I'm getting right now, I don't mind it one bit.
i leave it on. I dont notice any additional battery drain and my GPS locks on faster (may have been a coincidence though)
I leave it enabled. I find it cumbersome to turn it on whenever I need to use an app that needs location, and I travel enough to not just set it to my current location. I keep a close eye on related wakelocks and wakeups.
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Isn't that what "use wireless networks" does?. I've got my GPS disabled and obviously my wifi is too, so it's just using towers to calculate general location
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"use wireless networks" makes use of the WiFi or the cell information.
But that option being on, ANY capable app can run services to get your location.
Llama can be configured to strictly rely on only cell data.
For my case: with the use of Llama and "use wireless networks" disabled, I know that no app other than Llama is doing location fetching in the background.
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"use wireless networks" makes use of the WiFi or the cell information.
But that option being on, ANY capable app can run services to get your location.
Llama can be configured to strictly rely on only cell data.
For my case: with the use of Llama and "use wireless networks" disabled, I know that no app other than Llama is doing location fetching in the background.
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Ohhh I gotcha! Wasn't aware Llama was able to restrict the apps that use it vs how the one built into the OS will let any app use it. Thanks for the clarification!
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"use wireless networks" makes use of the WiFi or the cell information.
But that option being on, ANY capable app can run services to get your location.
Llama can be configured to strictly rely on only cell data.
For my case: with the use of Llama and "use wireless networks" disabled, I know that no app other than Llama is doing location fetching in the background.
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Droidwall is useful to limit what apps can use data.
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Droidwall is useful to limit what apps can use data.
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Can Droidwall be configured to block only background data access by an app? I haven't used it but from its description in Store, it looks like it totally blocks an app from network access.
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Can Droidwall be configured to block only background data access by an app? I haven't used it but from its description in Store, it looks like it totally blocks an app from network access.
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I don't think so, but it has a widget that allows you to quickly disable it.
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Can Droidwall be configured to block only background data access by an app? I haven't used it but from its description in Store, it looks like it totally blocks an app from network access.
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No, it can not limit background. It can only block apps from using data; through wifi and/or mobile data.
So I've had my phone for a year and rarely use the GPS feature.
In the past (stock) I've kept all my phone features on including Google location services, etc. Now that my phone is rooted and running AOKP, I turn off all the Google location services, report my location, etc, to save on battery.
My question is since this phone uses A-GPS (yes I wiki'd it) does it mean that it is REQUIRED to have these location services turned on in everywhere in the phone in order for GPS to work? I've tried using GPS without all these services but for some reason GPS didn't seem to work. It comes back with can't determine location, etc.
So do I need all these Google services to be running or should I just be able to enable GPS and have it work for turn by turn navi?
Should only have to have GPS turned on.
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jackal2001 said:
So I've had my phone for a year and rarely use the GPS feature.
In the past (stock) I've kept all my phone features on including Google location services, etc. Now that my phone is rooted and running AOKP, I turn off all the Google location services, report my location, etc, to save on battery.
My question is since this phone uses A-GPS (yes I wiki'd it) does it mean that it is REQUIRED to have these location services turned on in everywhere in the phone in order for GPS to work? I've tried using GPS without all these services but for some reason GPS didn't seem to work. It comes back with can't determine location, etc.
So do I need all these Google services to be running or should I just be able to enable GPS and have it work for turn by turn navi?
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AFAIK agps just helps it obtain a lock faster.
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aGPS supplies the GPS the updated almanac and ephemeris data from the network, and allows faster lock by aligning the system clock using one of the clock servers.
If it sounds like Chinese - then google all the unknown terms, and eventually you'll be able to google the answer to your question.
I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
jackal2001 said:
I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
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No. You need data. And either Google's location service or gps turned on.
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No. You need data. And either Google's location service or gps turned on.
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So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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When you enable offline maps it's only for a small area.
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So what does "make available offline" in the maps settings do? I guess I just can't turn on GPS and enable "offline maps" mode and that will work too.
This is why I ask these questions. Some people say you don't need anything other than GPS and other say you need to have location services on.
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Enabling offline maps tells the device to cache any routes you plot in nav or maps so that if you lose data connection navigation will continue to function. If you depart from that route without data connection, you'll lose nav.
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I read some other article that stated you needed to have data turned on as it draws the maps. All the google maps are not stored to the device???
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1. If you just want to use the GPS feature, then it must be TURNED ON. That's it. No other requirement, other apps asking for location services have nothing to do with GPS function of the phone.
2. About google maps and gps service on this phone.
a. the map itself is stored on their Google server, so in order to use map, you must have accessed internet, hence either wifi or mobil data required.
b. if you carry other maps that stored locally in the phone internal space such Tomtom, Sygic, .... you DO NOT need wifi or mobil data to use this function.
3. About the Google's OFFline maps. A lot of people do not fully understand the usage of it.
Back to step 2a above, I said "google maps stored on their server" so you need internet access. In this case, offline map is just a small cache (10 miles radius) and it does store in the phone memory. So yes, you do NOT need internet (wifi or mobil data) to use "offline maps" (of course, you must create one before hand)
What is the down side?
a. As mention, it is just a small cache.
b. If you define the term "GPS" as global position system then you know all it does is getting lock and determine your location and that's pretty much is. You CANNOT route the route. You CANNOT navigate from point A to point B. You CANNOT search for an address.
Hi I was wondering if anyone else has experienced problems with GPS and google maps attempting to locate current location? With both options under settings ≥ location services enabled for GPS and using my WiFi at home I am unable to retrieve my current location it just says your current location is temporarily unavailable, so though id see if anyone else has the same issue.
Im using 10.1.C.0.370 firmware.
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andymg350 said:
Hi I was wondering if anyone else has experienced problems with GPS and google maps attempting to locate current location? With both options under settings ≥ location services enabled for GPS and using my WiFi at home I am unable to retrieve my current location it just says your current location is temporarily unavailable, so though id see if anyone else has the same issue.
Im using 10.1.C.0.370 firmware.
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Hey man, I have the WiFi version and I noticed that the stock Navigation app sometimes has problems finding my location compated to my Samsung phone. I was on the road last week traveling between France and Germany and on some occasions I had to use phone to get directions because the tablet would simply not get any GPS signal. On other occasion it would work. It seems to be pretty random. I'll post if I find more about this.
Hi thanks for the info, ive been messing around with it some more since i made this thread and this morning i was finally able to get a GPS signal and get google maps to zoom in on my current location but i had to go into settings > location services and disable Google's location service and turn off my wifi so it was just the GPS running. But after doing so i re-enabled the settings and turned WiFi back on and it worked fine lol.
maybe its just a bug in the software i don't know but your right it does seem spotty at the best of times.
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Hi thanks for the info, ive been messing around with it some more since i made this thread and this morning i was finally able to get a GPS signal and get google maps to zoom in on my current location but i had to go into settings > location services and disable Google's location service and turn off my wifi so it was just the GPS running. But after doing so i re-enabled the settings and turned WiFi back on and it worked fine lol.
maybe its just a bug in the software i don't know but your right it does seem spotty at the best of times.
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Thanks, I'll try the Wi-Fi trick next time I have GPS problems
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Hi I was wondering if anyone else has experienced problems with GPS and google maps attempting to locate current location? With both options under settings ≥ location services enabled for GPS and using my WiFi at home I am unable to retrieve my current location it just says your current location is temporarily unavailable, so though id see if anyone else has the same issue.
Im using 10.1.C.0.370 firmware.
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Ive seen this as well. I also noticed the weather widget never updates location despite being set to auto refresh.
Hi, I have very inaccurate location based on the cell tower triangulation (in building), it shows me my location to be almost 100 m away outside of the building. (my friends with G2 and S3 has got correct location in the building , when they are on the same place as me).
Please do you have any tip, how to fix it? Or there is nothing I can do with it? (only to buy a new mobile)
jozka said:
Hi, I have very inaccurate location based on the cell tower triangulation (in building), it shows me my location to be almost 100 m away outside of the building. (my friends with G2 and S3 has got correct location in the building , when they are on the same place as me).
Please do you have any tip, how to fix it? Or there is nothing I can do with it? (only to buy a new mobile)
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cell tower location is always inaccurate. your friends were probably using wifi location. in settings, these two are together called battery saving location. just turn on your wifi and you'll have the right location displayed, you don't need to be connected to the wifi network, you just need any kind of internet connection
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bombaglad said:
cell tower location is always inaccurate. your friends were probably using wifi location. in settings, these two are together called battery saving location. just turn on your wifi and you'll have the right location displayed, you don't need to be connected to the wifi network, you just need any kind of internet connection
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Well actually we have both switched wifi off (and we turned off the GPS in location menu). and we have the same net provider. I have even downloaded antennas program, and put it on the both mobiles, they are at the same place and both shows a different location.
jozka said:
Well actually we have both switched wifi off (and we turned off the GPS in location menu). and we have the same net provider. I have even downloaded antennas program, and put it on the both mobiles, they are at the same place and both shows a different location.
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GPS is very poor on the G2 Mini, that's probably why.
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jozka said:
Well actually we have both switched wifi off (and we turned off the GPS in location menu). and we have the same net provider. I have even downloaded antennas program, and put it on the both mobiles, they are at the same place and both shows a different location.
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lol if you turn gps off, your phone just shows the last location it remembers.. also, it is possible that one of you has turned an option on, which enables for the phone to look up wifi location even when wifi is turned off
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bombaglad said:
lol if you turn gps off, your phone just shows the last location it remembers.. also, it is possible that one of you has turned an option on, which enables for the phone to look up wifi location even when wifi is turned off
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yep, that would be the reason - their GPS can fix the location even in the building, so the last location is from the building... Thank you for your tips, I will not any more waste your time... Another lesson is learned, next time, when I buy a mobile, I will run a GPS test to be able to return it within 14 days of protection period...