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Getting my M8 in day or so, and will be unlocking the bootloader right away. Basically, is there any reason to NOT use firewater? If I request a token to unlock my BL on HTCDev they will have a record of this and will refuse warranty on everything. Basically, will using firewater to unlock hinder any future updates or cause any problems down the road? The method that is not tracked is always the better method so..
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Getting my M8 in day or so, and will be unlocking the bootloader right away. Basically, is there any reason to NOT use firewater? If I request a token to unlock my BL on HTCDev they will have a record of this and will refuse warranty on everything. Basically, will using firewater to unlock hinder any future updates or cause any problems down the road? The method that is not tracked is always the better method so..
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Firewater requires root to run. Most temp root scenarios do not work on at&t phone. You can try them, but I haven't seen any work. If they don't work, you have to unlock boot loader to root, then run firewater.
Yup only reason I was able to firewater without HTC dev was via buying gpe version. Factbook oem unlock instead
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Firewater requires root to run. Most temp root scenarios do not work on at&t phone. You can try them, but I haven't seen any work. If they don't work, you have to unlock boot loader to root, then run firewater.
andrewnelson said:
Firewater requires root to run. Most temp root scenarios do not work on at&t phone. You can try them, but I haven't seen any work. If they don't work, you have to unlock boot loader to root, then run firewater.
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Do you still get OTA updates from AT&T if you unlock and root the M8?
andrewnelson said:
Firewater requires root to run. Most temp root scenarios do not work on at&t phone. You can try them, but I haven't seen any work. If they don't work, you have to unlock boot loader to root, then run firewater.
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I wonder the same I always read conflicting comments
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A friend of mine got this phone after his iPhone 4 got stolen (I'm trying to convert him) and he asked to get the latest firmware so naturally I began to root and installed TWRP on his device (he got a used one that's on HBOOT 2.09) but after he said he doesn't care if it's rooted. I tried to update it through the settings on the phone but, naturally after forgetting about that, it just boots into the recovery. Can I just update it through the RUU or will that bring on complications?
You can use ruu. The ota won't get you the latest firmware, if your HTC dev unlocked I believe you need to lock it before running ruu. If your going to want root/custom recovery I would recommend getting soff it makes things easier from a support perspective.
So many times my friends ask me if I can fix their issue and a lot of my suggestions usually require root.
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detcup4evr said:
You can use ruu. The ota won't get you the latest firmware, if your HTC dev unlocked I believe you need to lock it before running ruu. If your going to want root/custom recovery I would recommend getting soff it makes things easier from a support perspective.
So many times my friends ask me if I can fix their issue and a lot of my suggestions usually require root.
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Just to add to this if you are s-off you do not have to relock your bootloader
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detcup4evr said:
You can use ruu. The ota won't get you the latest firmware, if your HTC dev unlocked I believe you need to lock it before running ruu. If your going to want root/custom recovery I would recommend getting soff it makes things easier from a support perspective.
So many times my friends ask me if I can fix their issue and a lot of my suggestions usually require root.
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How would I relock his bootloader again? It's just a cmd prompt like fastboot oem lock right?
LemonNinja said:
How would I relock his bootloader again? It's just a cmd prompt like fastboot oem lock right?
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Yes. But I would strongly recommend gaining s-off before ruu. S-off is rather easy to do, either Rumrunner or firewater will work. Then ask you have to do is ruu and install twrp and rom of your choice.
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gstanke said:
Yes. But I would strongly recommend gaining s-off before ruu. S-off is rather easy to do, either Rumrunner or firewater will work. Then ask you have to do is ruu and install twrp and rom of your choice.
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I was going to S-Off it then update but since he's on 2.09 the only S-off method requires Ubuntu and I just didn't want to deal with downloading Ubuntu, dual booting, installing drivers again, then doing the process since my internet is unholy slow (It took like 2 hours just to download the RUU for 4.3)
LemonNinja said:
I was going to S-Off it then update but since he's on 2.09 the only S-off method requires Ubuntu and I just didn't want to deal with downloading Ubuntu, dual booting, installing drivers again, then doing the process since my internet is unholy slow (It took like 2 hours just to download the RUU for 4.3)
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There are Windows-friendly S-off methods for ALL Hboot versions. Check out my Hboot guide for a list of applicable S-off methods (top link in my sig).
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LemonNinja said:
I was going to S-Off it then update but since he's on 2.09 the only S-off method requires Ubuntu and I just didn't want to deal with downloading Ubuntu, dual booting, installing drivers again, then doing the process since my internet is unholy slow (It took like 2 hours just to download the RUU for 4.3)
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Rumrunner and firewater worked for me on windows
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I have an HTC One Max from Verizon, stock, unrooted, odex, running HBOOT 2.49.0000
I am trying to attempt to unlock the bootloader so i can S-OFF
When i use HTC's DEV site, and submit my token, it tells me that my MID is not allowed.
When i use rumrunner i get this error (see atttached image)
I have tried may things posted on XDA and utube with no success.
if anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
Use Firewater and download it using internet explorer. I just got S-OFF on my VZW device 2.49 HBOOT
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53834731&postcount=25
Credit goes to @ferrojasaguilar
ceo4eva said:
Use Firewater and download it using internet explorer. I just got S-OFF on my VZW device 2.49 HBOOT
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53834731&postcount=25
Credit goes to @ferrojasaguilar
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Ok again this is an HTC one max and I am trying to unlock the boot loader. I can't s-off until I unlock the boot loader first. If you have an HTC one max (not the HTC one m7 or m8), then tell me how you managed to unlock the bootloader.
You cant unlock the bootloader at HTCdev with this devicebecause of carrier regulations so you use firewater to do that. It unlocks your bootloader and gives you s-off
I need to change my sig to show the One Max lol
Also from doing some reading rumrunner isnt effective on HBOOTs after 2.46 or so
ceo4eva said:
Use Firewater and download it using internet explorer. I just got S-OFF on my VZW device 2.49 HBOOT
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53834731&postcount=25
Credit goes to @ferrojasaguilar
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Ok once again, this is an HTC one max (not the HTC one m7 or m8) and it's Verizon I am referring to - not sprint or AT&T - and I am trying to unlock the bootloader. I can't s-off until I unlock the bootloader first. If you have an HTC one max (not the HTC one m7 or m8), and it's specifically a Verizon carrier, then tell me how you managed to unlock the bootloader.
visualmog said:
Ok once again, this is an HTC one max (not the HTC one m7 or m8) and it's Verizon I am referring to - not sprint or AT&T - and I am trying to unlock the bootloader. I can't s-off until I unlock the bootloader first. If you have an HTC one max (not the HTC one m7 or m8), and it's specifically a Verizon carrier, then tell me how you managed to unlock the bootloader.
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Sorry stupid Firefox entered the same thread twice. I will again attempt to use Firewater, but it didn't work for me the last attempt I made. Thanks for the advice and I will follow up.
I have a verizon one max HBOOT 2.49 unlocked bootloader by using Firewater http://firewater-soff.com/
After you read what it is for on the homepage click on the Instructions/Download Tab and of the 3 methods given, use the "Instructions (WeakSauce method - some m8 models and maybe others)" method.
Basically you need to download the app called Weaksauce it is in the steps for the method above and at the link -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699089
When you install the app, it will give you root. install SuperSu from the market and begin the process of Firewater.
Note:
1. When you boot your device make sure weaksauce roots your device before you being to use firewater (you can download the Root Checker app from the market to verify that you have root before you start)
2. Download firewater using Internet Explorer
3. Follow the instructions carefully from both weaksauce and firewater
good luck
ceo4eva said:
I have a verizon one max HBOOT 2.49 unlocked bootloader by using Firewater http://firewater-soff.com/
After you read what it is for on the homepage click on the Instructions/Download Tab and of the 3 methods given, use the "Instructions (WeakSauce method - some m8 models and maybe others)" method.
Basically you need to download the app called Weaksauce it is in the steps for the method above and at the link -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699089
When you install the app, it will give you root. install SuperSu from the market and begin the process of Firewater.
Note:
1. When you boot your device make sure weaksauce roots your device before you being to use firewater (you can download the Root Checker app from the market to verify that you have root before you start)
2. Download firewater using Internet Explorer
3. Follow the instructions carefully from both weaksauce and firewater
good luck
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I followed your directions and somehow it worked!! the only thing I did differently was downloading firewater from IE instead of firefox. amazing how that is what was causing my issue. I am now unlocked and s-off. thanks for your help and advice everyone
Great I had the same problem but it was like magic
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ceo4eva said:
Great I had the same problem but it was like magic
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Question, now that i have successfully unlocked the device and achieved s-off, and also have installed a current of version of twrp and rooted, does installing future OTA updates affect any of this? would installing an OTA update cause me to have to re-root? or possibly lose my "unlocked, s-off"?
Thanks,
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Question, now that i have successfully unlocked the device and achieved s-off, and also have installed a current of version of twrp and rooted, does installing future OTA updates affect any of this? would installing an OTA update cause me to have to re-root? or possibly lose my "unlocked, s-off"?
Thanks,
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You will need to have the stock recovery in order to take an OTA. In my case for Kit Kat OTA, I was unlocked rooted and S-OFF and still got the update. You will probably lose root but unlock and S-OFF will remain.
JBS976 said:
You will need to have the stock recovery in order to take an OTA. In my case for Kit Kat OTA, I was unlocked rooted and S-OFF and still got the update. You will probably lose root but unlock and S-OFF will remain.
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So you are saying that if i updated my recovery to TWRP, i would not be able to install the OTA update? Also, did you lose root when you applied the update? and if so, how did you regain root?
If twrp senses that you do not have root it will give you an option to slide to root
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ceo4eva said:
If twrp senses that you do not have root it will give you an option to slide to root
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ok that answers the last parts of my question, but what about the first? if I am running a custom recovery (TWRP), I will be unable to install OTA updates?
visualmog said:
ok that answers the last parts of my question, but what about the first? if I am running a custom recovery (TWRP), I will be unable to install OTA updates?
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That is correct, you need the stock recovery and stock rom, you can be rooted and will lose it, but S-OFF will remain. Root is easy to get back so it's no big deal
I just delt with this exact problem. U won't be able to get any while rooted. I ended up having to install the RUU via fastboot and lock my bootloader in order to get Ota updates. I still consider myself to be a noob. I think you gotta have the stock recovery installed as well.
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If the bootloader is locked, htc stock recovery is installed, and phone is not rooted but it is s-off, will the phone function normally? Like receive Ota from htc and behave like a brand new out of the box unmodified htc one m8? Planning on selling it so I want to know.
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Shouldnt be an issue as long as completely stock rom/recovery
If any system files were altered with root, they need to be restored to stock to get OTA. RUU (available for AT&T version) back to stock is probably the best way to get it close to stock as possible.
Also, you need to tell the buyer the phone is s-off, as selling an s-off phone to an unsuspecting buyer is not a good idea (also that it was bootloader unlocked, even if returned to LOCKED).
redpoint73 said:
If any system files were altered with root, they need to be restored to stock to get OTA. RUU (available for AT&T version) back to stock is probably the best way to get it close to stock as possible.
Also, you need to tell the buyer the phone is s-off, as selling an s-off phone to an unsuspecting buyer is not a good idea (also that it was bootloader unlocked, even if returned to LOCKED).
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Well I restored to htc sense nandroid and reset the phone. Only thing is the software buttons are stock android and not htc. It is unrooted and the bootloader saids locked not relocked. It is still s-off I didn't want to do ruu because if everything is not 100% stock the phone could brick
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patstar5 said:
It is still s-off I didn't want to do ruu because if everything is not 100% stock the phone could brick
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Where did you hear that? I do not think that is true.
redpoint73 said:
Where did you hear that? I do not think that is true.
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I heard that if it was not 100% stock it would through a red flag..... Or maybe that was turning it s-on? Well I have it listed on eBay already. Everything is stock except software buttons for some reason
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patstar5 said:
I heard that if it was not 100% stock it would through a red flag..... Or maybe that was turning it s-on?
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Its not true. You can RUU away. It returns everything to stock except S-off, and UNLOCKED, RELOCKED banner.
redpoint73 said:
Its not true. You can RUU away. It returns everything to stock except S-off, and UNLOCKED, RELOCKED banner.
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Cam you do ruu rooted and unrooted? The bootloader is locked.
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patstar5 said:
Cam you do ruu rooted and unrooted? The bootloader is locked.
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Doesn't matter if the phone is rooted or not, the RUU will still run.
Bootloader needs to be locked or relocked for the RUU to run, unless you are s-off (RUU will not run with bootloader unlocked).
Of course, the RUU also needs to be the right carrier version (CID), and you can't "downgrade" or run a former RUU version than is on the phone (these restrictions are also bypassed by s-off).
Those are basically the only restrictions on running RUU.
There have been some isolated incidents on other devices where mods caused issues with RUU; so this may be what you have read. For instance, on the One X (EVITA) the Jellybean RUU bricked the device if SuperCID was present and S-on. But this was a bug, and not typical of how RUU works (basically a rare exception to the rule). I haven't heard of any such thing on the M8.
Or you may be thinking of OTA, which is a completely different case. For OTA, stock recovery needs to be present, and if any system files were altered by root, OTA will not install (although presence of root itself will not cause it to fail). AFAIK from reports here, OTA will install whether the bootloader is locked or not.
redpoint73 said:
Doesn't matter if the phone is rooted or not, the RUU will still run.
Bootloader needs to be locked or relocked for the RUU to run, unless you are s-off (RUU will not run with bootloader unlocked).
Of course, the RUU also needs to be the right carrier version (CID), and you can't "downgrade" or run a former RUU version than is on the phone (these restrictions are also bypassed by s-off).
Those are basically the only restrictions on running RUU.
There have been some isolated incidents on other devices where mods caused issues with RUU; so this may be what you have read. For instance, on the One X (EVITA) the Jellybean RUU bricked the device if SuperCID was present and S-on. But this was a bug, and not typical of how RUU works (basically a rare exception to the rule). I haven't heard of any such thing on the M8.
Or you may be thinking of OTA, which is a completely different case. For OTA, stock recovery needs to be present, and if any system files were altered by root, OTA will not install (although presence of root itself will not cause it to fail). AFAIK from reports here, OTA will install whether the bootloader is locked or not.
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OK, where do I get the ruu at? From htc's site? Att m8 also how do I run it?
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patstar5 said:
OK, where do I get the ruu at? From htc's site? Att m8 also how do I run it?
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RUU is here, near the bottom of the page, see "Manual system update instructions": http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-one-m8-att/news/
The link gives step-by-step instructions, but RUU is just a .exe program (PC required) you run with the phone connected, the application will pretty much walk you through after that.
Although it was reported by several users last week, the file would not download to completion. One XDA user contacted HTC, who said they would look into it, so hopefully the issue has been fixed. I believe another XDA user posted the file for download, if you search around (if the official download is still broken).
Or you can also try the bootable RUU posted here, which does not require PC: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-htc-one-m8/general/att-1-58-501-1-bootable-ruu-hboot-t2818556
I figured since the Max is not getting Lollipop, I might as well finally get around to rooting it so I can tweak it a bit, and maybe put a 5.1 rom on it later. I know the devices bootloader cannot be unlocked using the HTC tool. I tried unlocking and rooting the phone using Rumrunner, but that also failed. I got an odd error stating that the device was not rooted and was running an unsecure kernel. I have tried Googling the question and just came up with Rumrunner. Is there a way to do this? Thanks!
mikekoz said:
I figured since the Max is not getting Lollipop, I might as well finally get around to rooting it so I can tweak it a bit, and maybe put a 5.1 rom on it later. I know the devices bootloader cannot be unlocked using the HTC tool. I tried unlocking and rooting the phone using Rumrunner, but that also failed. I got an odd error stating that the device was not rooted and was running an unsecure kernel. I have tried Googling the question and just came up with Rumrunner. Is there a way to do this? Thanks!
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You can use sunshine to unlock boot loader, s-off and root. Cost $25 though. Only way.
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Last night i had to pony up 25 bucks for sunshine to root my insurance replacement.. The ads were driving me crazy
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I'm also looking to do the same thing (upgrade my OS for security reasons mostly). It seems CM is the most supported ROM for the MAX, what's the steps? Sunshine to unlock bootloader, s-OFF, and root? Then install safestrap or whatever ROM manager is needed? Then flash CM to a open slot?
Thanks everybody. I actually installed an app called Weaksauce2 that I read about on this forum. It apparently roots the device at each boot up. Afterwards, I then had the idea to run Rumrunner again. It actually finished without an error, but I am not sure if it did what it was supposed to do! Before I ran Rumrunner again, the device would hang up and restart when I went into the Play Store. It seems to be working now, but you cannot update the Supersu binary.
Did rumrunner unlock your bootloader?
ske1555 said:
Did rumrunner unlock your bootloader?
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I do not know. How can I check?
mikekoz said:
I do not know. How can I check?
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You gotta boot into recovery. You can usually do that by telling it to restart and holding volume down. Then you can see if you have s-OFF and unlocked and all that jazz. You need it to be unlocked to install ROMs
ske1555 said:
You gotta boot into recovery. You can usually do that by telling it to restart and holding volume down. Then you can see if you have s-OFF and unlocked and all that jazz. You need it to be unlocked to install ROMs
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Thanks! Will take a look when I get home.
It is still locked and s-on. :crying: I guess I will leave it as it is. It is not worth it to me to spend any money on it right now, so I will skip Sunshine.
Did you try the instructions in this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2550559
gatorguy said:
Did you try the instructions in this thread? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2550559
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No. That is for the Sprint version of the phone. Mine is Verizon and that unlock utility does not work. I have it rooted using Weaksauce2 and it is doing OK! Not bad for a temp root solution!
The only way I found to perma root was to use Sunshine. Yeah I know it costs $25, but it works and you can unlock bootloader and S-off the phone too.
If anyone is around York, pa I have a java card which will s-off any version of this phone. Well any htc phone for that matter.