Hello guys! I just had a question about Samsung Knox Security. I have a Note 2 that's already modded and doesn't have Knox so this doesn't directly apply to me, but I will probably be getting the Note 4 soon enough. My question is, when you have a device with Knox on it, does it make rooting and installing ROMs and stuff any harder to do? I understand that tripping it is irreversible right now, but are there any other consequences to tripping Knox other than permanently voiding warranty? Thanks guy for all your help! :
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Hello guys! I just had a question about Samsung Knox Security. I have a Note 2 that's already modded and doesn't have Knox so this doesn't directly apply to me, but I will probably be getting the Note 4 soon enough. My question is, when you have a device with Knox on it, does it make rooting and installing ROMs and stuff any harder to do? I understand that tripping it is irreversible right now, but are there any other consequences to tripping Knox other than permanently voiding warranty? Thanks guy for all your help! :
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There aren't really any problems with removing Knox other than voiding your warranty. My s4 has had Knox removed from day one and I've had no problems.
I didn't have any problems with rooting either. However, it did remove those annoying security popups and allow me to change seandroid to permissive.
Is it actually possible to full on REMOVE Knox? And you're saying Knox doesn't make any complications with rooting other than it being triggered and voiding warranty? It's good to know these things as I'm gonna get the Note 4 soon enough and I literally CAN'T STAND Touchwiz!
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Just checked got a 19 MB update after manually checking. Has anyone installed it yet?
Does it remove features, add features or security updates to prevent root?
If you don't know how to check:
1) menu button (left of the home button it doesn't light up till you touch it)
2) click "settings"
3) scroll down (run your finger toward the top of the screen) till you see system update.
4) select system update (I kind of recommend that you be on wifi or 4G before checking)
5) click update It should then check for an update and then download it and ask if you want to install.
If you are new and have not yet got used to rooting phone be aware that by installing it, that it may cause errors, loss of root, or even dogs to say meow and Cartman to be nice by installing it.
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I rooted after the update everything went smoothly.
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rbaucom said:
Just checked got a 19 MB update after manually checking. Has anyone installed it yet?
Does it remove features, add features or security updates to prevent root?
If you don't know how to check:
1) menu button (left of the home button it doesn't light up till you touch it)
2) click "settings"
3) scroll down (run your finger toward the top of the screen) till you see system update.
4) select system update (I kind of recommend that you be on wifi or 4G before checking)
5) click update It should then check for an update and then download it and ask if you want to install.
If you are new and have not yet got used to rooting phone be aware that by installing it, that it may cause errors, loss of root, or even dogs to say meow and Cartman to be nice by installing it.
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Supposedly its an update for allowing the use of benchmarking applications.. And yes root like jurey24 said still works! :good:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/04/sprints-day-one-mi5-ota-update-for-the-galaxy-note-3-may-remove-controversial-benchmark-boosts/....
Did it add features take away features?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...-3-may-remove-controversial-benchmark-boosts/
Looks like the only thing it did was allow you to download bench mark apps which was stated earlier
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36 hours and I'm already tired of looking at that update notification.
Is it still believed that this update is safe with respect to future rooting and knox avoidance?
Thanks.
ogretech said:
36 hours and I'm already tired of looking at that update notification.
Is it still believed that this update is safe with respect to future rooting and knox avoidance?
Thanks.
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I updated and then ran CF root, no issues and no Knox reset
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I updated and then ran CF root, no issues and no Knox reset
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No Knox trip, how you get away with that?
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No, nothing changed on the 0X1 status from my original root
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The Knox changed to 0X1 after I rooted it, it never reset or changed back to 0X0. The counter was tripped and stayed that way
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How? Everything I have read says rooting trips the counter. . How do you check it. Can you get a picture for us. I will root right now and start working on a custom Rom if I can root without tripping it
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No matter what u do the counter will trip.. It was at 0x0 before root and now it's at 0x1 after
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Just put the phone into download/Odin mode and it will be at the top. I've heard some phone don't have the counter but I can't say for sure. Since mine will never be used business I rooted. I have a square trade warranty if I have issues
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There's nothing in their contact terms that state they would care or even look. Last time I had a claim with my note 2 they never said a word and claim went fine.
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Haven't seen an update available yet.. has it taken care of the noises ?!?
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Cool.. Going to root this weekend and start working on a rom.. hope twrp gets working correctly soon.
note 2 for sale pm me if interested
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I rooted mine via Chainfires auto-root last Friday when i picked up my N3 and although it did change my Knox flag to 0x1 as reported by everyone else, I have not experienced any issues with restoring backups from TWRP.
As others said, there's nothing in Sprint's contract (that I'm aware of) pertaining specifically to root. The only time the Knox counter MIGHT matter is if you had to send it into Samsung directly for service. But then again, all of us know that rooting/modding our phones is an inherited/know risk taken by each user... or at least I hope this is true.
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I don't have the note 3 yet but I keep reading that rooting causes some knox stuff not to work. I am curious if someone can tell me exactly what knox features stop working from root? Thanks
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I don't have the note 3 yet but I keep reading that rooting causes some knox stuff not to work. I am curious if someone can tell me exactly what knox features stop working from root? Thanks
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The KNOX flag being tripped may prevent certain Samsung KNOX features from working (enterprise security features) if you don't plan on using it in a business/corporate environment your probably ok
Hello Friends,
Just bought a N3, and a current owner of an S4. Hope you're well. Quick questions:
1. What is the best/recommended way of rooting the N3. I heard Kingo or something like that works, flawlessly?
2. So I heard KNOX counter is ONLY tripped if a CUSTOM Recovery is flashed. I assume on the N3, we still need something like TWRP or CWM to flash Custom ROM, is that correct? If so, which one do you guys recommend? How do you flash it (Odin or Flashable ZIP {Link please?})? And will it void my warranty or up the KNOX count? If so, what exactly do I lose that way?
3. Where can I find the names of the Releases and Firmwares released for the Sprint N3? And what is the latest?
4. What ROM would you recommend that's polished AND highly customizable? (For S4 users, I am looking for something like "Sacs" for N3?
5. I noticed that the Development section is nearly dead for the Note 3. Especially for Sprint. AT&T didn't even have a single ROM, if I remember. Only the T-Mobile forum had a wide selection of ROMs for the Note 3. Anyone know, why and do we expect that to change around here?
Thank you in advance for helping me!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474222
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Kingo, custom recovery will trip Knox, mj4 Odin full tar.md5, idk because I've always been stock, true but like with the s4 touchwiz was good enough for me and pretty bug free.
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Hello Friends,
Just bought a N3, and a current owner of an S4. Hope you're well. Quick questions:
1. What is the best/recommended way of rooting the N3. I heard Kingo or something like that works, flawlessly?
2. So I heard KNOX counter is ONLY tripped if a CUSTOM Recovery is flashed. I assume on the N3, we still need something like TWRP or CWM to flash Custom ROM, is that correct? If so, which one do you guys recommend? How do you flash it (Odin or Flashable ZIP {Link please?})? And will it void my warranty or up the KNOX count? If so, what exactly do I lose that way?
3. Where can I find the names of the Releases and Firmwares released for the Sprint N3? And what is the latest?
4. What ROM would you recommend that's polished AND highly customizable? (For S4 users, I am looking for something like "Sacs" for N3?
5. I noticed that the Development section is nearly dead for the Note 3. Especially for Sprint. AT&T didn't even have a single ROM, if I remember. Only the T-Mobile forum had a wide selection of ROMs for the Note 3. Anyone know, why and do we expect that to change around here?
Thank you in advance for helping me!
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ok.. So CF root is the best way using odin. . I also came from the galaxy s4 and really never gave thought to Knox it doesn't bother me and if you search you will get different answers about Knox from everyone, yes your warranty is now voided but if you can figure out how to reset your Knox to its original state and put back the original recovery and ROM yes you can get service from sprint in the sprint store. . But they will not service it with after market recovery and a themed ROM..I think the latest firmware is mj5 but What is available or what everyone is using I should say is mj4.. CHECK OUT JELLYBOMB ROM.. For the N3. . The development is slow in my opinion and only mine because the phone is new and the phone is pretty pricey for someone that wants to do an upgrade and not the 1 up thing. . And last but not least the developer didn't get there phones yet from there wives and girlfriend for x mas yet. So I think things will pick up in January. .
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Kingo, custom recovery will trip Knox, mj4 Odin full tar.md5, idk because I've always been stock, true but like with the s4 touchwiz was good enough for me and pretty bug free.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474222
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ok.. So CF root is the best way using odin. . I also came from the galaxy s4 and really never gave thought to Knox it doesn't bother me and if you search you will get different answers about Knox from everyone, yes your warranty is now voided but if you can figure out how to reset your Knox to its original state and put back the original recovery and ROM yes you can get service from sprint in the sprint store. . But they will not service it with after market recovery and a themed ROM..I think the latest firmware is mj5 but What is available or what everyone is using I should say is mj4.. CHECK OUT JELLYBOMB ROM.. For the N3. . The development is slow in my opinion and only mine because the phone is new and the phone is pretty pricey for someone that wants to do an upgrade and not the 1 up thing. . And last but not least the developer didn't get there phones yet from there wives and girlfriend for x mas yet. So I think things will pick up in January. .
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Gentlemen, thank you very much for your very informative responses! Especially Monty on the extended response. Some follow ups come to mind:
1. So I could careless about service from Sprint. I bought mine from Craigslist and don't use the phone on Sprint, anyway. However, it seems like there is NO way to reverse the Knox counter, which means that I cannot get service from Samsung... is that true? (In case the Motherboard is fried or whatever?)
2. As Android owners, roaming the XDA, no less, I am sure you guys are like me, that is, you itch till you drop, until the phone's rooted and a Custom Recovery is on-board (am I right !?). If Custom Recoveries are needed for essentials like Custom ROMs and Nandroids, how are you guys making do WITHOUT those? I know Root + TitaniumBackup to remove Bloat, and Xposed Wanam will hold us over a bit. But how are you guys getting NEW, STOCK Rooted versions and not making Nandroids, with the Stock recoveries?
3. Agreed, and hoping that development picks up for these, otherwise it would be a shame. Still surprised to see how many ROMs they had over at T-Mobile and even Verizon forums !! Can any of those themes and or Mods be used with the Sprints?
4. So are we unanimous, JellyBomb is the closest to being the most customized(able) ROM available for Sprint Note 3s? If so, what exactly is that ROM? Is it TouchWiz or AOSP :-/?
5. For my S4 friends... is there a modification app like 3minit settings available that we can use with Stock, Rooted ROMs to change the COLOR of the Settings toggles?
Thanks again for getting the ball rolling on my questions, guys. I know they are a lot, but trying to learn as fast as possible !
If your motherboard is fried Samsung won't be able to turn the phone to see if Knox has been tripped. Best way in my opinion is to take all updates to MJ4 if you haven't yet, then root with kingo, your know should stay at 0. Then use Wanam exposed to make the mods you want. If you really want to make major changes you can always push the needed files via adb. Granted this isn't a complete ROM but it will get you close. I have been running stock with several tweaks applied by wanam and web and get great speed stability and battery.
Just my 2 cents.
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This Knox crap is irritating. Samsung may not get my money next time if htc plays it's cards right.
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If your motherboard is fried Samsung won't be able to turn the phone to see if Knox has been tripped. Best way in my opinion is to take all updates to MJ4 if you haven't yet, then root with kingo, your know should stay at 0. Then use Wanam exposed to make the mods you want. If you really want to make major changes you can always push the needed files via adb. Granted this isn't a complete ROM but it will get you close. I have been running stock with several tweaks applied by wanam and web and get great speed stability and battery.
Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks for your response, bud. I am trying to root with Kingo, as we speak. Need some help from the forum for the following:
1. Can someone point me to a guide on how to remove Knox from the phone?
2. Can anyone help me get the 1x/3g mod on my phone?
3. I will also be using the phone flashed to another carrier. Any one of you guys doing that? And if so, how did you get rid of the No Sim error?
4. To de-bloat, can someone point me to a list of APKs, safe to remove for the Sprint variant. I want to keep all the cool features in the camera like Golf, Beauty, and etc?
Thank you again!
rooting WILL ALSO trip knox unless you do it in a way that does no (there is a thread on here about it and how to do it knox safe) I did not care I just rooted I am insured so the warranty is meaningless to me.
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rooting WILL ALSO trip knox unless you do it in a way that does no (there is a thread on here about it and how to do it knox safe) I did not care I just rooted I am insured so the warranty is meaningless to me.
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can you please tell me which way did you do it? i dropped my insurance so i really dont care about knox now. im on mj4..thanks
I don't actually remember it was a thread here on XDA I just followed the directions and I was rooted
I am doing this from my phone so searching is a little more difficult if I could figure out which that I use I will reply here again
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can you please tell me which way did you do it? i dropped my insurance so i really dont care about knox now. im on mj4..thanks
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I used Kingo to root my phone with one click and no Knox trip.
Installing a Recovery trips the counter, but I realized that us... here in the Sprint Note 3 world don't really have great Custom ROMs to choose from... so why do it anyway? Maybe if I had the T - Mobile version or even Verizon ! That of course you miss out on Nandroids. I hope someone proves me wrong soon.
Just missing the 1x/3G Mod right now.. otherwise I'm all set with Rooted MJ4 and Xposed modules. Good luck...
Can anyone please point me to a list of "Safe to Remove" apps for the Sprint N3? Thanks!
Ok, yes I know of the search bar but I am still going to ask since we are early in development. Besides Root De La Vega to MJ4 with a hacked hotspot, and wanam xposed, are there any other custom options we can play with that will not trip knox (and hopefully keep data intact).
Why even care about Knox ? You are never going to send the phone into Samsung to be repaired so go ahead and customize it all the way
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Maybe I will sometime, for now just wondering is there anything else
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Sprint can't deny service on your phone just because it's rooted .... It's in your tos .... You may have to talk to a manager and I would run the back to stock tar but just because Knox is flipped. ... Just using it like a scare tactic.
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Maybe you should check out this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506287
Very politely with an elders patience. I understand all of that, lets just call it a hypothetical question. Are there any other custom options without tripping knox? And thank you for the concern and advice.
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Very politely with an elders patience. I understand all of that, lets just call it a hypothetical question. Are there any other custom options without tripping knox? And thank you for the concern and advice.
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@mjcollum said if there was enough interest he would think about a knox safe version of his minin3 rom and an installer.
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@mjcollum said if there was enough interest he would think about a knox safe version of his minin3 rom and an installer.
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Thanks
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Just wondering apart from the mods etcc.. Is there a huge discrepancy in speed that you guys have noticed between stock or any of the custom ROMs? Not rooted, just wondering
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Also do you guys use the roms from the unified thread? Or holding out until or if something gets figure out with knox
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Just wondering apart from the mods etcc.. Is there a huge discrepancy in speed that you guys have noticed between stock or any of the custom ROMs? Not rooted, just wondering
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Nope. It's just a misconception (not saying you..just overall) that rooting makes phones faster. It can, but not unless you really know what you're doing. That being said, if you do want a faster phone, a custom kernel is the way to go IMO. Yeah a custom rom can get rid of some bloat and unnecessary files, but I would stick with a close to stock rom, like Beans' stock rom, and flash a custom kernel like ktoonsez's kernel. You can find the rom HERE and the kernel HERE.
About the unified section, yes, you can use any rom from there as long as it's for the G900F and not the G900H (the exynos one). Also, not sure what you mean by "till everything get's figured out with knox". If you flash a custom rom or kernel, knox will trip and there's probably never going to be a way to stop that since t-mobile doesn't even care anyway.
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Nope. It's just a misconception (not saying you..just overall) that rooting makes phones faster. It can, but not unless you really know what you're doing. That being said, if you do want a faster phone, a custom kernel is the way to go IMO. Yeah a custom rom can get rid of some bloat and unnecessary files, but I would stick with a close to stock rom, like Beans' stock rom, and flash a custom kernel like ktoonsez's kernel. You can find the rom HERE and the kernel HERE.
About the unified section, yes, you can use any rom from there as long as it's for the G900F and not the G900H (the exynos one). Also, not sure what you mean by "till everything get's figured out with knox". If you flash a custom rom or kernel, knox will trip and there's probably never going to be a way to stop that since t-mobile doesn't even care anyway.
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Thanks for the information. Yeah I'm well adept when it comes to rooting etcc.. I guess I wanted to know if the change from stock to custom is noticeable at the very least. Love ktoonz with the add on app. So Tmobile doesn't care? Any prove to that? Can they found out? that the warranty is voided. Thus the reason I included "till everything gets figured out with knox ". People in this forum are always worried about tripping knox hence the towel root breakthrough in which rooters swarmed.
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Thanks for the information. Yeah I'm well adept when it comes to rooting etcc.. I guess I wanted to know if the change from stock to custom is noticeable at the very least. Love ktoonz with the add on app. So Tmobile doesn't care? Any prove to that? Can they found out? that the warranty is voided. Thus the reason I included "till everything gets figured out with knox ". People in this forum are always worried about tripping knox hence the towel root breakthrough in which rooters swarmed.
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Knox will never get figured out, they've been trying for a while... Best thing is to just root and try them all, just read read read first.
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Thanks for the information. Yeah I'm well adept when it comes to rooting etcc.. I guess I wanted to know if the change from stock to custom is noticeable at the very least. Love ktoonz with the add on app. So Tmobile doesn't care? Any prove to that? Can they found out? that the warranty is voided. Thus the reason I included "till everything gets figured out with knox ". People in this forum are always worried about tripping knox hence the towel root breakthrough in which rooters swarmed.
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I've jumped twice now from the Note 3 and S4 both with knox tripped. They didn't bother to check anything at the store and I haven't gotten billed for anything, so I don't think they care. There are other users on here with the same experience.
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I've jumped twice now from the Note 3 and S4 both with knox tripped. They didn't bother to check anything at the store and I haven't gotten billed for anything, so I don't think they care. There are other users on here with the same experience.
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Yea. They might not even know how to check lol or what do the numbers mean lol. Think I'm just going to flash away. Your everywhere aooga keep up the good work
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Knox will never get figured out, they've been trying for a while... Best thing is to just root and try them all, just read read read first.
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Yea knox is a lost cause probably efuse or something
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I've jumped twice now from the Note 3 and S4 both with knox tripped. They didn't bother to check anything at the store and I haven't gotten billed for anything, so I don't think they care. There are other users on here with the same experience.
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I agree .My buudy just took a s4 back that was pretty much bricked and knox was tripped and they didn't even check they gave him an s5 and counted all his payments from the s4 towards it . I guess they would rather get a knox tripped phone from ya rather than a phone with a cracked screen . I told my buddy if they don't take it then just run over it with your car and claim it on his handset protection . Also the sales people are not that know;edgable . Their soulution to fix any problem is a good old factory reset ..LOL