Almost 30 months of major support isn't bad, but what annoys me is that Google hasn't fixed the Wifi issue on Lollipop...Oh well, if the GNex can still handle 5.1 custom ROMs, the Nexus 10 can, right?
https://plus.google.com/+DerekRoss/posts/1jzpZRMoMCL
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-with-an-update-guarantee-for-nexus-devices/
While it doesn't matter too much, still, screw you google, I paid the same as an iPad 4 and those are still being supported
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Almost 30 months of major support isn't bad, but what annoys me is that Google hasn't fixed the Wifi issue on Lollipop...Oh well, if the GNex can still handle 5.1 custom ROMs, the Nexus 10 can, right? ...
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You are correct assuming at least one Dev likes the device enough to keep pumping out updates to their ROM. I had an ancient Galaxy Tab P-1000, given to me by a relative still in the original box. That tab came with Android Gingerbread. An XDA Dev was still supporting it with a ROM which had Android 4.3 (now maybe even more recent). So if that can be a guide then as long as there is at least one Dev and the hardware can handle the OS then you have hope of Android M and beyond.
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You are correct assuming at least one Dev likes the device enough to keep pumping out updates to their ROM. I had an ancient Galaxy Tab P-1000, given to me by a relative still in the original box. That tab came with Android Gingerbread. An XDA Dev was still supporting it with a ROM which had Android 4.3 (now maybe even more recent). So if that can be a guide then as long as there is at least one Dev and the hardware can handle the OS then you have hope of Android M and beyond.
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But if Google doesn't provide aosp images for a device, how does an interested developer begin to build a custom ROM? Just asking because I'm ignorant about android development.
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But if Google doesn't provide aosp images for a device, how does an interested developer begin to build a custom ROM? Just asking because I'm ignorant about android development.
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Images are compiled versions of the code. Google publishes AOSP code to the public (including the upcoming Android-M). The hardware "blobs" are proprietary (interface between HW e.g. WiFi radio) and software. I believe that a Dev would use the latest "blob" they can get along with the latest AOSP code to compile and create a ROM (set of images). The "blobs" would not be updated more than an older official release. I do not make my own ROMs so am a little hazy on all the details but ROMs definitely use the public AOSP code before adding alterations.
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Images are compiled versions of the code. Google publishes AOSP code to the public (including the upcoming Android-M). The hardware "blobs" are proprietary (interface between HW e.g. WiFi radio) and software. I believe that a Dev would use the latest "blob" they can get along with the latest AOSP code to compile and create a ROM (set of images). The "blobs" would not be updated more than an older official release. I do not make my own ROMs so am a little hazy on all the details but ROMs definitely use the public AOSP code before adding alterations.
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Sound good. Let's hope this proves to be the case for the Nexus 10.
Once again, I'm not buying the Nexus device. Long live Apple!
IOS 9 incoming for iphone 4s
Damn google!
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Once again, I'm not buying the Nexus device. Long live Apple!
IOS 9 incoming for iphone 4s
Damn google!
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But you should consider the great variety of ROMs that we've been able to choose from, and the degree of freedom we've enjoyed in customising our systems.
On your iPhone, you're locked into iOS, with no system-level access, and nowhere else to go.
Sooner or later, your iPhone 4s will stop being officially supported by Apple. At that point, your device will truly become obsolete, while older Nexus devices will probably continue to receive updates through community effort.
well, that's disappointing, considering how mine is still rocking, and used pretty much every single day since launch.
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well, that's disappointing, considering how mine is still rocking, and used pretty much every single day since launch.
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I'm in the same boat. It will be a sad day once the device is not supported.
I have always had random reboots. A lot less frequent with each update. About a month ago my battery took a hit (not physical, no idea what happened) and now my battery only gets about half the amount of screen time between charges. Even with these 2 issues I still love and use the device every day. I am all about the latest android updates and the nexus line is the only way to go with those priorities. Looked into the n9 but disappointed in the battery life (around 5 hours.. The same I currently get on my n10 with half the amount it had when new).
Not sure where to go for my tablet needs if no new tablet is released this year... Which sounds like the case. I love the sock android experience without the bugs of cm or cm based Roms.... And if I did want to go with the cm route it runs best on Nexus. I have the n6 so the n7 feels too small.
It has been a great ride n10 and you will never be forgotten in my books....
I'm no stranger to unsupported devices. My last tablet was an HP TouchPad. lol. Wether Google gives the Nexus 10 Android M or not, Im sure we will still be able to run it unofficially thanks to the devs.
I'm not giving up on M yet. The Nexus 4 didn't get the L preview but still got Lollipop. The N10 has gotten quite a bit of love from Google so we shall see.
As we all remember, the Nexus 4 did not get the Android L developer's preview but it still got Lollipop when it went publicly available.
Cross your fingers for Nexus 10 support.
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As we all remember, the Nexus 4 did not get the Android L developer's preview but it still got Lollipop when it went publicly available.
Cross your fingers for Nexus 10 support.
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Why the N4 compare? Nexus 10 didn't get the L preview, but got Lollipop.
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I'm not giving up on M yet. The Nexus 4 didn't get the L preview but still got Lollipop. The N10 has gotten quite a bit of love from Google so we shall see.
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You preview the latest and greatest. Google would have been stupid to give the N10 or N4 a preview of L/M. I'm honestly surprised the 5 got an M build, but as a hammerhead owner, I'm not complaining.
Also, nobody panic, BUT...... https://android.googlesource.com/device/samsung/manta/
The manta has a m-preview tag. To be fair, so does grouper, and I doubt grouper will see M. Though honestly, after using M for a day it seems to be a fine-tuning of L, nothing too crazy. I don't see why the manta couldn't handle M. Also interesting is that no announcement of the Nexus Update Policy was made at I/O. Google might have backpedaled. We shall see...
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You preview the latest and greatest. Google would have been stupid to give the N10 or N4 a preview of L/M. I'm honestly surprised the 5 got an M build, but as a hammerhead owner, I'm not complaining.
Also, nobody panic, BUT...... https://android.googlesource.com/device/samsung/manta/
The manta has a m-preview tag. To be fair, so does grouper, and I doubt grouper will see M. Though honestly, after using M for a day it seems to be a fine-tuning of L, nothing too crazy. I don't see why the manta couldn't handle M. Also interesting is that no announcement of the Nexus Update Policy was made at I/O. Google might have backpedaled. We shall see...
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EDIT!!!!!: That tag has an honest-to-goodness commit, manta-specific, based on M. I can only assume it's also on the mnc-dev branch. Mako also has a MNC kernel commit. The N10 might actually, officially see M!
I hit reply instead of edit, but oh well. It's worth it.
Let's see how it goes... I'm still on 4.4.4. Didn't want to update to L due to the wifi bug with eduroam. Patiently waiting for M for my beloved Nexus 10.
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Almost 30 months of major support isn't bad, but what annoys me is that Google hasn't fixed the Wifi issue on Lollipop...Oh well, if the GNex can still handle 5.1 custom ROMs, the Nexus 10 can, right?
https://plus.google.com/+DerekRoss/posts/1jzpZRMoMCL
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-with-an-update-guarantee-for-nexus-devices/
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I don't see anything concrete but rumours. Until M is released and if nothing is announced beforehand from Google, don't believe anything else.
I now that from time to time this device has had is share of Wi-Fi issues but for the most part mine connects fairly well to my router.
Here is a quick screen shot showing what I am connected at on 2.4ghz it gets even better on 5ghz, sometimes....
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As per the title really, anyone moving to this from the Nexus S and have useful thoughts or first hand experience of both and can offer a comparison from a user perspective?
Yes I did.
It blows away the Nexus S in every aspect. The screen is better, the build quality is better, the performance is better, the speaker is better and the cameras are better.
The Nexus S feels like a 2 year old phone compared to this even though it only came out in December.
Thanks, that's encouraging - especially that you say the sound is better as I thought that was already quite acceptable on the Nexus S.
How about size wise? I've yet to get my hands on the S2 and I know it is obviously bigger than the Nexus S bit is it noticeably so in the hand would you say?
Probably too early to ask you opinion on battery life on comparison, right?
Currently an owner of the Nexus S i9023, I'm waiting till I have more info about the version who will hit France before rushing to buy it.
Eventhough the hardware shift is huge, I want to know whether there will be a big update of Android this summer or not before changing from a phone who will be the first to get said updates.
If yes, I'll wait till June before making my mind. Else, I'll probably go with the SGS 2 if I can find an NFC one.
I don't own either device, but based on reviews the s2 battery is on par with the nexus s.
Size isnt too much of a matter! You will gert used to it, and the s2 is alot lighter thoinner than nexus, so it can fit in your pocket easier!
My main concern when it comes to size is how feasible one handed operation is. Often when out and about you just want to whip out your phone, check something and put it away again. Its not always convenient to free up both hands for this.
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Yes I did.
It blows away the Nexus S in every aspect. The screen is better, the build quality is better, the performance is better, the speaker is better and the cameras are better.
The Nexus S feels like a 2 year old phone compared to this even though it only came out in December.
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how does it compare with NS in terms of one-hand handling? can u reach the bottom buttons with ease, or do u have to adjust ur grip
bcoz NS is fantastic in one-hand handling
Also, is the wifi strength much better on this phone because the reception on the nexus is kind of weak.
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I have a nexus one. I'd like to get this when it comes here. Does it have a notification light or led?
No, it does not have a notification led.
Any word on the size from anyone and comment on ease of one handed operation?
Bilhouse said:
Yes I did.
It blows away the Nexus S in every aspect. The screen is better, the build quality is better, the performance is better, the speaker is better and the cameras are better.
The Nexus S feels like a 2 year old phone compared to this even though it only came out in December.
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It's not that it feels like a 2 year phone,hell it even does not matter whether Nexus S was out in December or January.Nexus S was a single core phone while this one has a much powerful processor,better hardware in general.
As Google has done from Nexus 1,bring out it's latest updates along with a Nexus series.
N1 does that with 2.1,Nexus S done that with 2.3 & these two always get the latest & fastest updates.
There is no Android Smartphone OS version which utilizes dual core till now,there is no hardware/gpu acceleration throughout.As usual Google might announce a Nexus later this year{if N1 & Nexus S are to be followed} which might bring a dual core supported Android version.But yes till now 2.3.3{or even 2.3.4 available to Nexus} is a version which do not fully utilizes the great hardware power of all these dual cores from Samsung,Motorola,LG
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I have a chance to play with SE Arc{t's actually of the same size as SGS 2} & man these phones are really big,moving from compact phone to tablet sized phonesi
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I'd like to know this as well. Even though I've got big hands the Nexus S feels like the outer limit sizewise. If the SGS2 is much larger I'm afraid I'd have to move the phone up and down in my palm to reach everywhere - not very practical.
i'll move to SGS2 when the 1700 band version becomes available
as in Tmobile USA
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As per the title really, anyone moving to this from the Nexus S and have useful thoughts or first hand experience of both and can offer a comparison from a user perspective?
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AllGamer said:
i'll move to SGS2 when the 1700 band version becomes available
as in Tmobile USA
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You're on the Nexus S atm right? What would be your reasons for changing out of interest?
I don't understand where this myth about android not supporting dual-cores came from, but if you read up you'll see that android uses the linux kernel 2.6.
Here is the highlight features of each linux kernel:
Wikipedia said:
Feature history
Version 1.0 of the Linux kernel was released on 14 March 1994.[60] This release of the Linux kernel only supported single-processor i386-based computer systems. Portability became a concern, and so version 1.2 (released 7 March 1995)[61] gained support for computer systems using processors based on the Alpha, SPARC, and MIPS architectures.
Version 2.0 was released 9 June 1996.[62] There were 41 releases in the series. The major feature of 2.0 was SMP support (that is, support for multiple processors in a single system) and support for more types of processors.
Version 2.2 (released 26 January 1999)[63] removed the global spinlock and provided improved SMP support, and added support for the m68k and PowerPC architectures as well as new filesystems (including read-only support for Microsoft’s NTFS filesystem).[64]
Version 2.4.0, released on 4 January 2001,[65] contained support for ISA Plug and Play, USB, and PC Cards.[66] It also included support for the PA-RISC processor from Hewlett-Packard. Development for 2.4.x changed a bit in that more features were made available throughout the duration of the series, including: support for Bluetooth, Logical Volume Manager (LVM) version 1, RAID support, InterMezzo and ext3 filesystems.
Version 2.6.0 was released on 18 December 2003.[67] The 2.6 series of kernels is still the active series of stable kernels as of February 2011. The development for 2.6.x changed further towards including new features throughout the duration of the series. Among the changes that have been made in the 2.6 series are: integration of µClinux into the mainline kernel sources, PAE support, support for several new lines of CPUs, integration of ALSA into the mainline kernel sources, support for up to 232 users (up from 216), support for up to 229 process IDs (up from 215), substantially increased the number of device types and the number of devices of each type, improved 64-bit support, support for filesystems of up to 16 terabytes, in-kernel preemption, support for the Native POSIX Thread Library, User-mode Linux integration into the mainline kernel sources, SELinux integration into the mainline kernel sources, Infiniband support, and considerably more. Also notable are the addition of several filesystems throughout the 2.6.x releases: FUSE, JFS, XFS, ext4 and more. Details on the history of the 2.6 kernel series can be found in the ChangeLog files on the 2.6 kernel series source code release area of kernel.org.
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I don't understand where this myth about android not supporting dual-cores came from
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Yes, Linux's been supporting SMP for ages, but ...
Is this also true for the relevant ARM architecture(s)? I've no idea how many multi-cpu and/or multi-core ARM machines there's even been before.
Does SMP still work in the heavily customised Android branch of the kernel?
Is it enabled in shipping kernels?
Is threading supported at the OS level?
Only for system apps or also for NDK apps?
Can regular Android apps (the ones written in Java) use multiple cores?
Do they need to be specially adapted for it?
Doesn't look that cut and dried to me, the Linux kernel alone is certainly not enough.
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it's a SGS2, what other reason do you need?
nothing else can compare to SGS2
it's currently the best of the best phone out there
that's the phone i've been waiting for all these years, and it has finally come true
now, the next milestone that can beat SGS2 is a phone that can read your mind, and is controlled by thoughts alone
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Lol, fair enough ;-)
Have to say in my book it's almost worth the upgrade for the accessory range and dev support alone! This phone has been out only days and already the scene is buzzing!
Stark contrast to the Nexus S - which I'm learning the hard way!
Two phones that have a solid user base tingling around it.
1) Samsung Galaxy S III
2) Iphone 5
Who do you think will win the race based on your expectations with both the brands ? Give reasons if possible.
GS3
-Because it is android.
I agree but don't you think the holographic features are just too awesome?
"Ever wondered why??"
I see some stupid posts going around, but this is up there with the most stupid of them. Neither of these phones exist, we know nothing about them, and this is the Android subsection.
I guess that is why I asked about the personal opinion of people who have experience with both Samsung and iPhone phones... and what the people expect from both the brands...
"Ever wondered why??"
I like neither 'cuz I can't see, I can't feel, I can't touch and more important, I can't test them 2 yet. Therefore, saying I like this over that is just pre-matured childish act.
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I like neither 'cuz I can't see, I can't feel, I can't touch and more important, I can't test them 2 yet. Therefore, saying I like this over that is just pre-matured childish act.
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Agree!
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Agree
I also agree
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iPhone will continue to outsell any individual android phone by a wide margin.
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I like neither 'cuz I can't see, I can't feel, I can't touch and more important, I can't test them 2 yet. Therefore, saying I like this over that is just pre-matured childish act.
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But don't you expect something from either of the brands looking at that previous phones??
"Ever wondered why??"
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This suppose to be TW 5.0 and if it is then i think that it would be the SGS3 that takes over from here on out
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So true so close fight ...
"Ever wondered why??"
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iPhone will continue to outsell any individual android phone by a wide margin.
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Only cause people have a choice of android phones. With ios you are forced to choose through a selection of one phone. If you hate choice the iphone is for you
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Only cause people have a choice of android phones. With ios you are forced to choose through a selection of one phone. If you hate choice the iphone is for you
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iPhone has far better build quality then any android phone. If you want your phone to actually get timely updates then you have to get a Nexus S or Galaxy Nexus, which really restricts your "choice" to 2 phones. Meanwhile a 3yr old iPhone 3GS gets iOS 5 day 1 and still runs smoother than most android phones with 5x better hardware.
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iPhone has far better build quality then any android phone. If you want your phone to actually get timely updates then you have to get a Nexus S or Galaxy Nexus, which really restricts your "choice" to 2 phones. Meanwhile a 3yr old iPhone 3GS gets iOS 5 day 1 and still runs smoother than most android phones with 5x better hardware.
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My SGS2 get updates continously, no problem there.
Of course new major releases like ICS takes 3-4 months from google/nexus release to release for other phones but that is simply part of the business model. And it is in fact mainly positive, because it gives plenty of time for developers to adapt apps for the new major version before average Joe gets the update.
Why would it be better if Google delayed Nexus ICS just to give Samsung/HTC etc time to adapt it to their phones?
Nexus and sgs2 have a good history of successful updates of Android series...
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But don't you expect something from either of the brands looking at that previous phones??
"Ever wondered why??"
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Do I expect something from either one of them???
Hmmm, honestly I don't know what to expect.
What are they anyway, I should have said "what will they be anyway"
For my own expectation? Oh, sure, very high
Quad-core 2.0GHz processor? 4GB RAM? 32G space? 5G ready? 1080 native resolution? unsigned bootloader? ability of flashing any custom ROM?
Is it too much to expect?
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Do I expect something from either one of them???
Hmmm, honestly I don't know what to expect.
What are they anyway, I should have said "what will they be anyway"
For my own expectation? Oh, sure, very high
Quad-core 2.0GHz processor? 4GB RAM? 32G space? 5G ready? 1080 native resolution? unsigned bootloader? ability of flashing any custom ROM?
Is it too much to expect?
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Oops.. as a matter of fact, by mistakely 4 of your expectations are already there in sgs3...
"Ever wondered why??"
GS3 because it absolutely needs to be. iPhone 5 can rely on the name and not the hardware.
I see you have ambitions to become a much bigger player in the Android smartphone market, competing with the likes of HTC and Samsung.
Well, you have started doing the right things, for example, you have a great lineup of phones, and you offer the ability to unlock the bootloader (abiet forfeiting our warranty, but that's no different to what HTC do). However the key area in which you are failing is the key area where ALL Sony products fail. SOFTWARE.
If you truly want to get some mainstream love, you need to be investing in software, not just on mobile, on all your products. However on Android, you need to be talking about Jellybean, and you need to be aiming to get it out on your flagship devices before Samsung does. It's really that simple. If you demonstrate prompt and reliable software updates to the latest OS, then consumers will come.
You also have to understand, that now Jellybean has been out for several months, and there are devices already running it (abiet Nexus devices), it's always going to be a hard sell to try and sell a ICS based device, and you are going to get slaughtered by the press for this (much more than other companies doing the same, simply because you are Sony and you aren't American).
A small chance Sony reads this?
Try Sony forums.
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sorry... but till Gingerbread, the Sony (Erricson) software ist one of the best optimiced firmwares around... not that Big Bloatet batterydrain like HTC Sense **** and not so ugly and buggy like Touchwitz... And ICS is just startet and i belive in further FW Releaces, ICS will be great like Gingerbread Firmware.
i meen Samsung kicks out new releases very fast, but with uch more bugs like Sony. And when we talking about optimation - Sony kicks in the Ass of Samsung and HTC..
for real: no other firmware (im talking bout Gingerbread, not for the new ICS) is so fast, battery optimiced and beautiful like the Sony Stock Firmware...
i dont care about the newest of the newese from the newest (and if, here the XDA Devs has every newest ****t better than the Manufactures), i am carring about good working, good looking Software... thats the reason why im Changed fom HTC to Sony (Ericsson) and thats the reason why im stay with Sony (okay, there a couple of reasons more like Greenness)
let Sony a bit time to made a good Firmware out of ICS/JB - thats better than a to early, not good working Firmware
A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
romiltherock said:
A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
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Are you kidding. Sense is a joke compared to Sony software or even default android.
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A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
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I simply so love their design that I bought 2010,2011 and now 2012 Xperia Phone
JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
JB incomming...
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JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
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About same time for XPS. Sony is working hard on software quality and update speed.
zed011 said:
JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
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Samsung had promised "early 2012" ics for galaxy note.
How well that work out then?
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About same time for XPS. Sony is working hard on software quality and update speed.
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But Galaxy S2 is a previous generation phone that is going to receive JB. Will Arc S receive JB? Time will tell but for now all I hear is silence.
Don't get me wrong, I am a Xperia user but this silence is making me impatient with Sony. Looks and hardware can only get you so far without software support
I dont think that Sony makes our screens or hardware,so you shouldnt say that this is Sony fault.
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I dont think that Sony makes our screens or hardware,so you shouldnt say that this is Sony fault.
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Huh????
Sony design, build quality and camera is what keeps me using Sony handsets.
Obviously they don't make all the components that go in them. ( imagine the size of the factory they would need)
Apple source components from other companies as do all other handset manufacturers.
You are stepping out of the point of this thread though.
The point being made is that Sony are slow on the update scene.
And as we see from the replies, as usual we get an instant debate.
Yes...having the latest version of android is important to some. And yes it CAN be a deal breaker in the choice of handset to opt for but...
Anyone choosing a handset purely for a new OS isn't doing their homework or that impressed by hardware.
Same as someone choosing a quad core handset running gb isn't that interested in os.
I personally would like prompt updates to my OS but NOT if it is detrimental to the performance of my handset be it via bugs or tweaks that decrease functions in certain areas.
Ok so htc are quick to update but do you want an HTC?
Seriously?
They are ok but not as refined or pretty as the Sony handsets.
And their Desire Hd ( 1 of last years flagships) won't be getting ICS.
So that tells me that HTC are just as capable of OS issues as Sony.
Nexus are rebranded phones made by other companies.
They are only updated quickly because google push for it.
Doesn't mean they are better than Sony, Samsung, HTC ( which used to make the nexus handsets), or huwai. I will leave Motorola out of this list because they fail in hardware, OS and UI and updating areas. ( care to argue? Buy 1 and see for yourself)
Closing statement...
Why rush out a buggy Jelly Bean and get bad press when you can push out a polished Jelly Bean and get less bad press?
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Kiefels said:
Huh????
Sony design, build quality and camera is what keeps me using Sony handsets.
Obviously they don't make all the components that go in them. ( imagine the size of the factory they would need)
Apple source components from other companies as do all other handset manufacturers.
You are stepping out of the point of this thread though.
The point being made is that Sony are slow on the update scene.
And as we see from the replies, as usual we get an instant debate.
Yes...having the latest version of android is important to some. And yes it CAN be a deal breaker in the choice of handset to opt for but...
Anyone choosing a handset purely for a new OS isn't doing their homework or that impressed by hardware.
Same as someone choosing a quad core handset running gb isn't that interested in os.
I personally would like prompt updates to my OS but NOT if it is detrimental to the performance of my handset be it via bugs or tweaks that decrease functions in certain areas.
Ok so htc are quick to update but do you want an HTC?
Seriously?
They are ok but not as refined or pretty as the Sony handsets.
And their Desire Hd ( 1 of last years flagships) won't be getting ICS.
So that tells me that HTC are just as capable of OS issues as Sony.
Nexus are rebranded phones made by other companies.
They are only updated quickly because google push for it.
Doesn't mean they are better than Sony, Samsung, HTC ( which used to make the nexus handsets), or huwai. I will leave Motorola out of this list because they fail in hardware, OS and UI and updating areas. ( care to argue? Buy 1 and see for yourself)
Closing statement...
Why rush out a buggy Jelly Bean and get bad press when you can push out a polished Jelly Bean and get less bad press?
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really?
Sony's ics release on the xps was full of issues and so was there most recent release for the xperia p (gingerbread) that left the phone basically unusable as a phone!
people on here talk of 'lets wait and get a fully optimized release' and that it will be worth the wait but im inclined to not agree. Just my opinion of course but all the most recent phones i have had from sony (currently own xps) have had fantastic hardware and awefull software...to the point where actually i cant put up with it any longer and end up getting rid of it for something else. Im sure i wont be the only one in this regard also.
Great design and hardware etc will only go so far before the thing pisses you off so much that you cant put up with it any longer!
this thread is stupid
i think the advantaged of buying android on apple is getting smaller
there no point of buying phone with no battery door
or no sdcard
or low mah battery
my next phone will be iphone
its should be perfect phone specs with android
or nothing
had enuf with lags of android
What is the point of this? Terrible grammar, and completely pointless....good riddance.
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Personal experience speaking here, you have to jailbreak an iPhone to even have a shot at making it as customizable as a stock Android phone, and it's getting harder and harder to jailbreak every generation. And having used both, I'd rather run a stock Android device over a jailbroken iOS device.
Proz00 said:
i think the advantaged of buying android on apple is getting smaller
there no point of buying phone with no battery door
or no sdcard
or low mah battery
my next phone will be iphone
its should be perfect phone specs with android
or nothing
had enuf with lags of android
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the reason why you are lagging, if your sig is correct, you're still running a Ginger Bread rom with an outdated recovery.
If you are still on GB then i would assume you dont have the latest firmware and that i would recommend you updating to the latest ruu before jumping ship.
no the sig not correct
im not talking about my phone
my phone is gr8 just the battery life
im talking about android generally
Cause we all know that iOS has no lag!:good:
zetsumeikuro said:
Cause we all know that iOS has no lag!:good:
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I know you were being sarcastic, but that is a common belief. In reality, iOS does a great job on the Springboard, but for the most part, it uses a lot of visual trickery to hide the lag in other places. In particular, apps don't launch nearly as quickly as people think they do, but you don't get that impression because the OS saves a screenshot of the last state of the app when it closes, and uses that as a load screen so you think it's already loaded. 9 times out of 10, by the time you try to interact with it, it has finished loading. That one time when you beat the app and it does nothing, you write it off as a glitch and move on. I will give them props for being very clever with manipulating psychology to make things feel so smooth, because that's where most of the perception of smoothness comes from.
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I know you were being sarcastic, but that is a common belief. In reality, iOS does a great job on the Springboard, but for the most part, it uses a lot of visual trickery to hide the lag in other places. In particular, apps don't launch nearly as quickly as people think they do, but you don't get that impression because the OS saves a screenshot of the last state of the app when it closes, and uses that as a load screen so you think it's already loaded. 9 times out of 10, by the time you try to interact with it, it has finished loading. That one time when you beat the app and it does nothing, you write it off as a glitch and move on. I will give them props for being very clever with manipulating psychology to make things feel so smooth, because that's where most of the perception of smoothness comes from.
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I am sure they have this patented
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My view on technology as a whole is I hate it! I can't stand that I don't know how to operate it and because if that I want something that doesn't want me thinking outside the box. I like my box. I just wanted to come to xda and start a thread about that.
On a side note, I have owned an I phone 4s and while it wasn't for me I did notice lag and didn't condemn the Os or manufacturer. Learn to operate your equipment or please just go get what suits you. Don't rant about how bad something is if you have 0 clue how to go about changing it in a developer website.
Lmao i should go home and yell at my light because it didn't auto dim to my eyes perception of brightness.
u clearly didnt got my point
android is based on java which is slow camper to iOS
android have its advantages on iOS
that we all know
but the today phones with specs i said at OP
doesn't make clearly big advantages on iOS
so for that i think i should change to iOS
cos the better touch and more...
im happy with my rezound really snappy with shrike1978's cm9
but android falling here IMO cos there no much diff.. as i said
i just saying my 2cent opinion
shrike1978 said:
I know you were being sarcastic, but that is a common belief. In reality, iOS does a great job on the Springboard, but for the most part, it uses a lot of visual trickery to hide the lag in other places. In particular, apps don't launch nearly as quickly as people think they do, but you don't get that impression because the OS saves a screenshot of the last state of the app when it closes, and uses that as a load screen so you think it's already loaded. 9 times out of 10, by the time you try to interact with it, it has finished loading. That one time when you beat the app and it does nothing, you write it off as a glitch and move on. I will give them props for being very clever with manipulating psychology to make things feel so smooth, because that's where most of the perception of smoothness comes from.
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Lol yeah I was . Gotta give it to Apple for being the tricky bastards they are.
Proz00 said:
u clearly didnt got my point
android is based on java which is slow camper to iOS
android have its advantages on iOS
that we all know
but the today phones with specs i said at OP
doesn't make clearly big advantages on iOS
so for that i think i should change to iOS
cos the better touch and more...
im happy with my rezound really snappy with shrike1978's cm9
but android falling here IMO cos there no much diff.. as i said
i just saying my 2cent opinion
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Go buy an iPhone and you can do your happy dance afterwards.
I dunno I have played with some pretty nice tip of the line android phones and the Iphone5. Can say if you are quoting any Os before jellybean and any processor before the s4 then maybe you should check out some new Technology, but if your gripe is java based I don't think anyone here can help u there.
Here's a shot, I think a smartphone should have a t9 dialer. I hated that about my old I phone 4. Then I had to buy an app if I wanted to use it for more than 5calls to keep the t9. I loved the camera and the battery was good on my 4s. Ios6 looked identical to ios5. Not very refreshing. Their software is well optimized to their hardware.
I can agree with you in some respects such as I have owned all the nexus lines except the 4. IMHO the nexus should be the fastest and best of all phones. It shouldn't have half ass battery life or a half ass camera and an open Os. Its touted as flagship yet trails in every category other than being but naked aosp.
stkiswr said:
I dunno I have played with some pretty nice tip of the line android phones and the Iphone5. Can say if you are quoting any Os before jellybean and any processor before the s4 then maybe you should check out some new Technology, but if your gripe is java based I don't think anyone here can help u there.
Here's a shot, I think a smartphone should have a t9 dialer. I hated that about my old I phone 4. Then I had to buy an app if I wanted to use it for more than 5calls to keep the t9. I loved the camera and the battery was good on my 4s. Ios6 looked identical to ios5. Not very refreshing. Their software is well optimized to their hardware.
I can agree with you in some respects such as I have owned all the nexus lines except the 4. IMHO the nexus should be the fastest and best of all phones. It shouldn't have half ass battery life or a half ass camera and an open Os. Its touted as flagship yet trails in every category other than being but naked aosp.
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I think Google is going more for affordable and compatible with Nexus than they are top of the line. So far, they've been letting the OEM's handle the top of the line market. For them, it's a win-win. They make reference phones and tablets that show Android at its best, and they keep in good graces with the OEM's by not outshining their latest handsets. It's a valid strategy, but with the new Nexus program in place, it's one that I think they need to branch out from. They're giving the OEM's credit in the name now (Samsung Galaxy Nexus, LG Nexus 4, Samsung Nexus 10, etc), so they can afford to make some high end hardware now without marginalizing the OEM's they depend on. I have disposable income, and I might be willing to pay $650 for a phone if it was true AOSP and had the specs to back up the price, but I don't have much interest in the current Nexus phone lineup, even for the price.
Proz00 said:
u clearly didnt got my point
android is based on java which is slow camper to iOS
android have its advantages on iOS
that we all know
but the today phones with specs i said at OP
doesn't make clearly big advantages on iOS
so for that i think i should change to iOS
cos the better touch and more...
im happy with my rezound really snappy with shrike1978's cm9
but android falling here IMO cos there no much diff.. as i said
i just saying my 2cent opinion
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No please understand I am not arguing with anyone's point. Its just always been my opinion that the nexus should truly be flagship... With a t9 dialer. Excellent battery life. Camera at least on par with the sensor in the Iphone5 or one series or galaxy s line. Even if you had to rely on 3rd party editing apps. Back when HTC made the first nexus it was a solid well made very good phone and really led the pack. Now all nexus since have some for of tradeoff. Technology is booming but one thing apple has done is keep it to themselves. Apple doesn't want verizon, verizon wants apple. Not the same for android. Too many variables. I'm still holding on to the hopes of a moto nexus with a really great camera but that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. At least moto will put a big ass battery in something, even if they won't use the greatest camera lol.
I like aosp, but just wish there was one aosp device that came in and really put it down in all the right areas. Battery life shouldn't be an issue or excuse anymore, nexus4 doesn't hardly last longer than the old one yet another manufacturer with same processor can get double the battery life. I think I'm just ranting and probably should stop lol
Google does android, they should be setting the bar that others follow but instead the bar gets set by others and they try to catch up every year since the nexus one... Again it's my opinion
Proz00 said:
i think the advantaged of buying android on apple is getting smaller
there no point of buying phone with no battery door
or no sdcard
or low mah battery
my next phone will be iphone
its should be perfect phone specs with android
or nothing
had enuf with lags of android
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Hopefully your iPhone will have better spellcheck....
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I believe you're looking for our sister site http://www.iphone-developers.com.
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Now that MPK99 retired from LineageOS development for the RM Note 10, the question is if anybody else is able to continue what he has been developing so far?
The demand for LineageOS is definitely there, because no other ROM is that much privacy oriented and the discontinued ROM Is leaving a big gap for this Phone.
For the long term an official LOS is what would be the best for the phone.
Zirila said:
Now that MPK99 retired from LineageOS development for the RM Note 10, the question is if anybody else is able to continue what he has been developing so far?
The demand for LineageOS is definitely there, because no other ROM is that much privacy oriented and the discontinued ROM Is leaving a big gap for this Phone.
For the long term an official LOS is what would be the best for the phone.
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rumor there are someone to continues developing a LOS ,
+1 for LineageOS. All these no name roms currently being developed comes with high risk. LineageOS is well known and I'd prefer it over others.
Unless Lineage OS is official, it is on par with all other custom ROMs. There is no difference in risk here.
A halt in development would also mean a partial halt in the development of all Lineage OS-based ROMs.
Our phone is significantly widespread and would definitely deserve an official Lineage OS.
I'm dying to flash a custom ROM on my device, however, I'd rather wait either for TWRP to at least get an official update to deal with Android 11 quirks, or for LineageOS to get the official status, whichever comes first
Merry Xmas everyone!
it's been quite some time since the last post here. unfortunately there haven't been any news about lineageos for the redmi note 10 anywhere. it almost seems like the lineage community has abandoned this phone.
As time passes by, the current versions are getting outdated and become a security risk for it's users.
This leaves us with only two options in the long term: sell the phone and buy one with more lineage options, or upgrade to one of the thousand lookalike other ROMs with less privacy options. both options aren't ideal imho.
I still haven't lost all hope for this phone, though, now that there is an official version of TWRP (https://twrp.me/xiaomi/xiaomiredminote10.html), there might be someone behind the scenes working on an official LineageOS as well.
Is there any standard way to get the Lineage OS team to start working on an official version for our phone (such as the amount of inquiries from phone users on their site)?
I'd love to have Lineage OS, but it seems devs are more interested in "noname" roms. idk why tho
StaryMuz said:
Is there any standard way to get the Lineage OS team to start working on an official version for our phone (such as the amount of inquiries from phone users on their site)?
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unfortunately not.
it's the community here that has to build the LOS rom, it's only going official when there are certain standards met and it's getting continuously maintained.
see here: https://wiki.lineageos.org/device_requests
i might be wrong, but so far, there have only ever been 2 or 3 people working on and releasing a LineageOS ROM for this phone.
Development continues in the form of ROMs based on Lineage OS. It's just not a pure form of that system. The fact that it is the basis for other ROMs that are maintained here could also be the impetus for separate development and updates.
By Lineage OS:
Perhaps the only somewhat reliable indicator of whether a device may be officially supported is when a developer’s hard work in bringing-up a device is forked over to github.com/LineageOS. Notice, this is after a developer (or regular Joe, see below) puts in the time and effort to get LineageOS running reliably. There’s still no guarantee of official support at this point; the device needs to meet a number of quality control checklist items and the developer needs to agree to maintain the device over time. But, there’s at least a decent chance.
Hi! i just built latest LineageOS 18.1 for our device ... i'm planning to release once i'm sure that aren't major issues on the ROM
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By Lineage OS:
Perhaps the only somewhat reliable indicator of whether a device may be officially supported is when a developer’s hard work in bringing-up a device is forked over to github.com/LineageOS. Notice, this is after a developer (or regular Joe, see below) puts in the time and effort to get LineageOS running reliably. There’s still no guarantee of official support at this point; the device needs to meet a number of quality control checklist items and the developer needs to agree to maintain the device over time. But, there’s at least a decent chance.
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exactly, that's what I meant with:
Zirila said:
it's the community here that has to build the LOS rom, it's only going official when there are certain standards met and it's getting continuously maintained.
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it's just that obviously there are not enough people having this phone. And amongst them not enough that are capable (having knowledge AND time) of building and configuring the ROM.
The more I'm delighted about this message
alonsoj636 said:
Hi! i just built latest LineageOS 18.1 for our device ... i'm planning to release once i'm sure that aren't major issues on the ROM
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..and once again, I'll be glad to anything that you(and probably others) can bring to the LOS-RM10 table!
Zirila said:
... it's just that obviously there are not enough people having this phone ...
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I don't share your conviction. Few phones have had such a tumultuous custom ROM evolution in their early days as ours. To date, the Pixel Experience Plus has been downloaded from the internet roughly 4300 times.
StaryMuz said:
I don't share your conviction. Few phones have had such a tumultuous custom ROM evolution in their early days as ours. To date, the Pixel Experience Plus has been downloaded from the internet roughly 4300 times.
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well yes and no, it depends, I was thinking esp. of the LOS ROM development on this phone, not general aosp/pixel-like rom development.
yet, f.i. compared to a Poco X3 NFC this is ALL just peanuts... -> much more phones of the poco x3 were sold, it has a much greater user and developer base, and hence much more ROMs came out and amongst them also an official LOS ROM.
While I dislike complaining about the lack of contributors volunteering their hours for free, I got say it's been a little frustrating seeing dozens of roms being ported to our device, but still no LineageOS.
Is there any explanation for this? From my previous experiences with Custom ROMs, LineageOS was the the most famous one, and devs would jump at the opportunity the officially bring it to a new device, rather than choosing other custom ROMs.
I consider Lineage OS to be the best basic OS. However, ordinary users are calling more for extended systems, so the base system itself doesn't appeal to them much. The basic system is more suitable for us who can customize it to our own requirements, and the extended systems have unnecessary features for us. There used to be fewer extended systems and therefore more demand for the basic ones.
The Poco X3 NFC was unveiled on Monday, September 7, 2020.
The Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 was unveiled on Thursday, March 4, 2021.
The initial selling price of the POCO was double that of the RM10. There must also be a difference in the number of units sold for comparable goods for different sales period. I think comparing these devices is not relevant.
Among comparable devices in terms of price and hardware, the RM10 is unrivalled in developer support. Thank them for their work.
Lineage OS as the default system for many other ROMs, however, deserves more attention on its own. If it is in top form, the other extended systems will be better off as well.
StaryMuz said:
The Poco X3 NFC was unveiled on Monday, September 7, 2020.
The Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 was unveiled on Thursday, March 4, 2021.
The initial selling price of the POCO was double that of the RM10. There must also be a difference in the number of units sold for comparable goods for different sales period. I think comparing these devices is not relevant.
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by the time I bought the RM10 (about summer 2021) the poco x3 nfc and the RM10 were about the same price in the local stores over here (like 160€ vs 180€). That's almost about the same price and I took that as reference, not the initial price.
well now, it's passed almost half a year now and unfortunately I still don't see any lineageOS development going on over here. I'm still wondering why there is so much AOSP development going on on this phone, whilst a privacy oriented ROM like lineageOS seems to be completely ignored. Where are the privacy focused people on this phone? It seems like nobody uses this phone that also cares about these matters.
However, I did some searching and I found something like a forked and continued LineageOS ROM on 4pda. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with russian language and I can't figure out if anything from there is something like a trustworthy source.
I really don't understand how the hell the device has an active community with a bunch of Roms, but no LineageOS, not even unofficial. It's only AOSP/Pixel and ROMs based on LineageOS.
Based on my previous experience, devs would jump on the opportunity to port LineageOS, so it just baffles me it is taking this long.
i would be happy to build LineageOS for you but i don't have server at the moment and my pc is a dual-core one