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Let's face it, the Galaxy S3 has a SWEET camera, only rivaled by the One X and iPhone 5. From what I understand, this has a lot to do with the software Samsung has in place to control the camera. Similarly, this is why many people have complained about the Nexus cameras. Google hasn't exactly invested too much time in the camera software.
I would like to install a custom ROM, but I am concerned that in doing so, the camera will be adversely affected because I would lose Samsung's camera software. Is this the case? Or are there any custom ROMs that utilize Samsung's camera software?
Most of the custom stock based roms are just that Samsung based .
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JJEgan said:
Most of the custom stock based roms are just that Samsung based .
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Excellent! So, I've been looking at the Android Revolution HD 16.0 ROM. I'd like to know what people's opinion is regarding this ROM.
Reading the thread might be a better idea I used it like 2 months ago (v11 if I recall correctly) and it was excellent. Might have improved since then, so reading the thread will give you more info, feedback, etc.
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Just purchase Camera Zoom FX in the market you can't go wrong
Hi guys,
can you help me understanding the main pros/cons for going with Samsung JB or an AOSP rom on the Galaxy S3?
I've tried searching the forum but without luck, anyone got a thread link where this is covered?
My first Samsung (S3) phone is on its way by mail, and I'm trying to decide which type of rom to choose.
Off course I see the obvious stuff like:
Open vs Closed source
Stock vs Custom UI
But, except for the above; why should I choose an optimized (de-odexed, de-bloated etc. etc.) Samsung JB rom over an AOSP rom?
From what I can understand custom kernels also exists for both rom types, so that wouldn't be an argument right?
I'm not familiar with the current HW support in AOSP rom's for the S3. Generally this has been where roms for my HTC phones have differed in the past. What's the status with the S3, do AOSP support most of the stuff or is there still some way to go?
Please shed some light for me :fingers-crossed:
And please don't compare specific rom's against each others. I'm trying to understand this at higher level, I will off course test several rom's and make up my own mind about what specific rom release is best suited for me.
Samsung roms will have all the things mentioned in the ads such as direct call, smart stay, multi window etc. Aosp won't have these as they are samsungs additions. Samsung will have touchwiz launcher as default, which comes with a lot of samsung only widgets. Aosp will have vanilla launcher (with some extra functions and tweaks).
Sammy roms generally have better camera than aosp. Aosp is considered to have better battery usage although I can't really tell from my experience of using both types.
Deodexed means it's easier to develop themes for, as the external odex files are repackaged into the apks directly. But it will take a while longer when booting, as odex files are meant to speed up this process. As for the actual usage, not much difference.
Debloated means getting rid of bloatware that come with your phone, sich as chaton, google talk etc. There will be quite a lot of apps that you don't use but will be present and wasting your phone resources. Debloating is done by some developers but you can do most of ot yourself as long as you're rooted.
Hope this clears things. But these are all general, as you wished it to be. Some aosp will have different launcher options etc, so will sammy roms. As for what you go with, I'll leave it up to you.
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Thanks a lot xcly, this clears up some stuff for me
You say that Sammy roms have better camera, what about the rest of the HW support on AOSP? The rest of the stuff (GPS, Accel, Gyro etc.) works ok?
From what I can gather from your post (and reading around) the choice boils down to two main points for me
HW support
Kernel (stability and performance, ofwhich battery performance is derived)
I don't care much for the 'Samsung features' (direct call, smart stay, multi window etc.) and the launcher can always be customized.
Additionally my previous experience is that the continious devlopment done on AOSP (with nightlies etc.) gives a nice feeling of continous improvement that you miss from manufacturer roms. For manufacturer roms you're relying on manufacturer relase schedules and leaks. But off course, one can argue that there is continous development through hacking, back-porting and kernel improvements for these roms as well..
Ultimately I think Ill just have to try out the most popular roms of both types before I'm able to decide what type I go with as a daily driver.
As for kernels most of then support both aosp and sammy so don't worry about it too much. Gps wifi and the lot work well on both as well.
Samsung didn't release any source code for its processor so aosp roms can never realise the full potential. Never had any trouble using aosp so I wouldn't say there is a huge difference, but I guess some advanced users will miss the hw side of things..
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Simple to say
TouchWiz UI and pure Android UI.
Other things basically are very similar
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Haha nice. All my words in a single sentence
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Here is some personal feeling about them.
As you can see from my signature that I had Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus before, and after I lost my GNex, I tried to buy a Nexus 4, but it kinda like mission impossible as it's serious outta supply, so I was forced to make compromise and go with Galaxy S III, which is very nice phone through some thing I don't like such as hardware button and soft key (because GNex uses virtual button on screen which is completely customizable ).
I have been using AOSP ROM for over a year (well, it's outta options actually as they are Google's sons but Samsung didn't make a ROM for them even they are manufactured by Samsung , and 3 month with Sammy ROM.
Even I got my S3, the first thing I have done is flash AOSP ROM and get my feeling about GNex back, but unfortunately due to some reasons, I couldn't make it become GNex-like and realize it is something fool, so I tried Sammy stock ROM.
My first feeling about it is a little prettier than AOSP ( through there's countless themes for AOSP, I am just talking about default theme ) and some Sammy features are very interesting and attractive. (IMHO, I'd say it is more user-friendly to users ) which is why I decided to stay with it , but after all these times, I didn't actually use these features much except multi windows and slide to dial...
OK, sorry for my non sense words and my bad English just can exactly express what I trying to say...
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FoxHound rom is all you need.
crDroid is the most stable Sammy Tom out there with the option of having an AOSP theme & not installing all the bloatware that Samsung Roms are notorious for.
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A quick follow up question
Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
Can't help you much on that. Never tried mhl on my s3, aosp or otherwise. You're better off asking/searching in cm thread. If it works on cm, it'd probably work on other aosp roms too.
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Just a quick follow up question regarding HW support:
Whats the status for AOSP roms regarding MHL, does it work?
I recently saw a video where a guy paired his phone with a PS3 controller and played games on his HD TV. Would this possible on non-Sammy roms?
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You need to read the relevant rom threads or logically ask in those threads .
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First off I just need to know the difference of the 2 I've flashed roms for several years now but I've really ever had this ? Answered for me we all known touchwiz roms are much bigger than Aosp roms so is the space that's not being used by Aosp roms is it available to the user Like almost 600mb that's not being used by this rom ?
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Basically it doesnt have the touchwiz skin at all. Its plain android. It also means no s-pen support (its implemented now in the official nightlies however rudementary).
As far as the usuable space, thats a good question. It may not necessarily use it but I dont think its available to the user.
At one point AOSP was about speed and fluidity (albeit still that way) but with the power of this phone its pretty fluid on Touchwiz or AOSP.
For me its always boiled down to whether or not ill be using the pen. I dont use it often, I flash to AOSP and find myself missing features of touchwiz and flashing back. My best suggestion is to go through that exercise and make the decision for yourself.
Yeah beans 17 gives you just the look of Aosp but the Guts of Touchwiz it would be nice to have a Rom that had the mixture of the 2
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My concern is the camera app. Samsung does an awesome job with the camera software. I've always heard, and also confirmed this during my brief fling with the Galaxy Nexus. How are photos on the N2 using the AOSP software?
Beans is a good mixture and hes an awesome dev to boot. He listens to users and includes features they want to see.
The camera app in AOSP quite frankly is s**t. Its finicky, doesnt like low light conditions and is prone to force closing (no fault to the devs as they have been given zero information to build from, its incredible theyve even gotten it to where it is). I dont use my camera alot so I forgot about that.
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Basically it doesnt have the touchwiz skin at all. Its plain android. It also means no s-pen support (its implemented now in the official nightlies however rudementary).
As far as the usuable space, thats a good question. It may not necessarily use it but I dont think its available to the user.
At one point AOSP was about speed and fluidity (albeit still that way) but with the power of this phone its pretty fluid on Touchwiz or AOSP.
For me its always boiled down to whether or not ill be using the pen. I dont use it often, I flash to AOSP and find myself missing features of touchwiz and flashing back. My best suggestion is to go through that exercise and make the decision for yourself.
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While there is very little S-pen support in AOSP roms people can always get GMD Spen Control from the Play Store and that will give them a lot of the S-pen functionality back.
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AOSP: pure, straight, unmolested raw Google code. What goes on a Nexus.
TW: Samsung's proprietary skin/software that they build on top of stock android. Hence the size difference. Sense is HTC's version.
Littleguevara is spot on about the camera. That's why I stick with TW. And my battery, GPS and overall stability is better. Now if I had a Nexus 4....
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I was just reading about the various aosp roms out, aswell as tw ones offcourse and i see a lot of comments stating how people miss the "TW camera".
Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't it just simply software here with tw having more features vs aosp being generic among all kinds of devices?
Does quality really suffer here due to that? Different processing?
Hardware is still the same so pictures should be damn close....
Not sure...
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I was just reading about the various aosp roms out, aswell as tw ones offcourse and i see a lot of comments stating how people miss the "TW camera".
Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't it just simply software here with tw having more features vs aosp being generic among all kinds of devices?
Does quality really suffer here due to that? Different processing?
Hardware is still the same so pictures should be damn close....
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I'm by no means an expert, but I'm currently running the latest CM nightly and it does seem to be a slightly lesser quality, but it could be just me. Pictures still look great, but I'm also missing some of the TW Camera's features. I love showing off the features of that camera, but I prefer running AOSP or AOKP to TW. Hopefully we can get a port of the app for AOSP, but I'm not sure if thats possible.
The latest version of hyperdrive ROM includes both camera's.
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The latest version of hyperdrive ROM includes both camera's.
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Any rom can. There is flashable zip
I'm going to check for the features of both as I've not used these much but through favorable posts here so why to remain bare handed with such an efficiency
I think the issue with the AOSP camera may be just the way the video is displayed. With the TW camera it looks phenomenally good, AOSP not so much, but the pictures themselves look similar. I only used AOSP a few times, but I felt better about the focusing on the TW camera, maybe because the video was so sharp you could really tell when you had the focus you wanted...which is kind of a big deal for quick snapshots of people.
I have been comparing photos taken using the tw camera and the camera that ships with carbon and I honestly think the carbon pictures look better.
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TW was way better than the current AOSP i am using x.x
There's a direct camera comparison of the Google Edition vs TW edition here.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-play-edition-htc-one-and-samsung-galaxy-s4
yeah its software but the software helps enhance the image. thing is that the aosp camera lacks simple features that every OEM camera has... for example, iso control. it boggles my damn mind that aosp refuses to add iso control. that's something that I use daily.
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Any rom can. There is flashable zip
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Do you have a link to the zip file? I'd like to try it on CM10.1 on my S4.
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Do you have a link to the zip file? I'd like to try it on CM10.1 on my S4.
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+1 I can't seem to find the file anywhere. Thanks!
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+1 I can't seem to find the file anywhere. Thanks!
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+1 ^what he said
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Do you have a link to the zip file? I'd like to try it on CM10.1 on my S4.
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+1 I can't seem to find the file anywhere. Thanks!
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+1 ^what he said
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/06/27/download-new-stock-camera-app-from-google-play-edition-phones/
Used this on the touchwiz roms and worked fine. Haven't tried any aosp roms on the phone yet so can't comment on that.
Definitely a difference in quality. AOSP camera pictures tend to be slightly more grainy, at least from what I've noticed. I have both on Hyperdrive right now and, even after just playing with the AOSP camera, it's pretty clear that there is, at the very least, a slight difference.
Seems like a very noticeable difference to me. Stock TW with this phone was absolutely mind-blowing. Now I'm running Liquid and I love every single thing about it, but the camera is lacking. I don't mind not having the features, but the lower quality makes me consider switching back to TW.
I wonder if someone could figure out the camera enough to make the pictures be on par with tw
I just installed the google edition rom and haven't noticed any difference...then again I don't normally pay attention to that kind of stuff (unless the difference is glaring).
Is it the sharpness, light, dynamic range that doesn't compare?
Anyone try to flash the touchwiz camera on CM?
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I'm running PureGv3 and can honestly say I don't notice any stark difference in my photos. Granted, I haven't viewed them on an actual full screen, but I'm not a pixel connoisseur.
One thing I have noticed, however, is that my AOSP camera is just plain faster. I didn't need all the bells and whistles from TW. I just wanna take pictures. I HATED that "Processing..." screen I would occasionally get with my TW camera. I swore sometimes it took more than two full seconds to add a photo. Now it just zips right in there. I couldn't be happier.
Just wanted to get everyone's option on this. I'm currently stock with gravity box and g2 settings plus other random xposed modules, and I'm quite happy. Are there any benefits to the custom ROMs?
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I feel like custom roms are needed for the heavy theming. Coming from Samsung devices for my last three phones I don't feel like I need a custom rom with my G2 BC of Xposed and G2 settings. I can debloat all I want with TiBu. I'm looking forward to the new kernels for possibly even better battery life.
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After using various roms the last couple years on several devices to gain features and to keep device up to date, I think keeping stock and using xposed on the g2 is the best solution. Nearly all the benefits of a custom rom, but with all the stability of stock.
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I couldnt help myself and flashed paranoid android on my phone today. This thing is just blazing fast and I am spoiled once again and won't be visiting stock anytime soon unless battery is that horrible.
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I am a custom ROM addict but when I got the LG G2 all changed for me. Suddenly my urge to change ROMS has ended thanks to the great G2 experience combined with x-posed framework.
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I am a custom ROM addict but when I got the LG G2 all changed for me. Suddenly my urge to change ROMS has ended thanks to the great G2 experience combined with x-posed framework.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm having flash withdrawals. After enabling themes on my AT&T phone, I'm loving this thing. I've read even some of the Stock ROM variants on here have echoing issues and other problems. I want to flash so badly but for the first time I don't think I will
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But what about app compatibility?
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I couldnt help myself and flashed paranoid android on my phone today. This thing is just blazing fast and I am spoiled once again and won't be visiting stock anytime soon unless battery is that horrible.
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How's the app compatibility? I have read over xda that many apps don't work on g2 aosp.
Games like temple run, Nfs etc.?
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Just wanted to get everyone's option on this. I'm currently stock with gravity box and g2 settings plus other random xposed modules, and I'm quite happy. Are there any benefits to the custom ROMs?
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My friend THIS is my biggest issue currently!
I'm gonna be THOROUGH so BEWARE
I come from many phones history (see signature) where I always flashed PA or CM especially on touchwiz phones.
However on the G2, I liked stock at first and kept using it for around 2 months.
Then, having ORD decease ( see signature again) I kept my eye on PA and tried it on Christmas vacation. It caused me such a big confusion to the extent where I went between stock and PA like 5 times confused on which is BETTER and which I LIKE most.
Currently I returned 2 days ago to stock but still thinking about PA...
Yes stock is nice with all features and stability, but I just HATE the nonconformity in design (even when using Xposed heavily to stabilize things and theme others).
-Also PA gave me such a smooth experience (much faster) with a lot more RAM and great simple looks. About RAM I greenified most system and installed apps that hogs RAM and still barely have about 500mb of free RAM while I have around 900mb on AOSP roms without any greenifying.
-Most importantly I had crazy battery life on PA while it's lower on stock even when nearly disabling every feature (except knock on of course).
-The thing that made me return to stock, believe it or not, was mainly camera (I know there's a mod for stock camera on AOSP but it's not that functional) and non-intrusive call notification which is a life saver when playing games. I tried "call heads", "call popout" from playstore but none worked nicely all the time.
Even when Omni gives that feature, I cannot install Halo (via Xhalo xposed module) on this ROM bcz it conflicts heavily with multiwindow feature in their rom which I cannot care less about it.
-I hate stock lockscreen and I love AOSP lockscreen.
-I hate AOSP camera and I like stock camera.
-I love AOSP calendar which options of colouring the events but hate its lack of features. I love stock calendar and its widget and snooze option while I hate its lack of colouring events feature.
-Although stock launcher is great it keeps redrawing (reloading) when quitting apps (heavy ones) which is annoying. AOSP laucher doesn't but lack features.
-Sound quality TILL NOW is better on stock.
-Immersive mode and the ability to always see notification bar even when in heavy games is awesome on AOSP.
-Quick memo is awesome for screenshots and editing on the run and sharing. I still couldn't find an app that does all that, that simple and quick on AOSP.
-Call voice recorder (G2 tweakbox) gives amazing sound and recording quality while call recorders on AOSP suck.
-NO FM radio on AOSP till now (maybe spirit fm will change that eventually).
Although most times I think that I don't need all those "useless" features on stock and that I need the quickness, smoothness of AOSP. I end up thinking that I did not pay 650$ (yes in my country) for a 32GB G2 to dump all those and run AOSP on it. If so, it would have been smarter ( and cheaper) if I kept my nexus 4 (or get a cheaper nexus 5 rather a G2). However I really like the feel and looks of AOSP. However :silly: it's those small/silly/gimmick/nice cool features that stock ROM gives you that make you feel that you own a SMARTphone and not any simple phone. It's the fact that you know that they are THERE when you need them that makes you feel satisfied even when you really rarely use them.
As you can see, it's a REALLY very TOUGH decision which always makes me feel confused. One day I wanna use AOSP, the other stock.
I really hate that phone for that. On samsung phones I really didn't give a thought about it.
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This. After using this stock I started to love the stock features and what not. Now I think AOSP is just a little too plain for me. G2 Xposed and Xposed framework really took the cake. I got my phone almost perfectly the way I want.
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Thanks @Life Engineer for the insightful description.
I say and I mean it, because I feel exactly the same: stock and AOSP ROMs both have ups and downs, making it a very hard to choose.
At the time being I'm trying - as you are - to keep stock and enhance it with Xposed modules, with a good success so far.
The thing that I miss most from AOSP is the clean UI of statusbar icons and settings pages; nothing so crucial, but it would be nice to have a "stock android" theme to choose from.
Thanks to OP for opening this interesting thread.
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Just wanted to get everyone's option on this. I'm currently stock with gravity box and g2 settings plus other random xposed modules, and I'm quite happy. Are there any benefits to the custom ROMs?
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Maybe could be nice to add a Poll .
Anyway I am stock + xposed ... . Long time CM, PA user, but am getting maybe old and wanna use my phone instead of tinkering too much with custom, should maybe xplain am not much of a CM stable release guy, always Nightly
For the 1st time ever since owning my 1st android phone (first one was the HTC Evo4G) I've loved a (tweaked) stock ROM much more than any custom ROM. After I started messing around with the features on the stock ROM, AND installed xposed tweaks...I just dont see how anyone could want to load a custom ROM on this phone. Especially since custom ROMs are still experiencing bugs and random issues. On the stock ROM everything works, perfectly...incredible battery, I average over 7hrs of screen time which is just unreal IMO. The ONLY thing I liked more about AOSP ROMs than the stock ROM is the quick settings tiles. That's honesty IT...in every othe way stock>>>>>AOSP.
I use a custom rom, but based on stock. I've used AOSP roms and they're all good, but stock just seems to have a few more feature that make it better for me. Plus, I find battery is always better on a stock based rom.
I do flash custom roms based on stock, though, and am currently running a Flex rom. Sometimes you get bugs or weird graphic issues (black text on grey background) but the Flex roms seem to run smoother than the regular stock rom. Maybe LG did some fine tuning to their software to keep it smoother on the Flex?
Stock plus xposed. It's hard not to use it this way. There is no customization I don't have that I want, plus the stability of stock. Phone feels perfect to me this way.
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Just wanted to get everyone's option on this. I'm currently stock with gravity box and g2 settings plus other random xposed modules, and I'm quite happy. Are there any benefits to the custom ROMs?
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Please create a poll just including those 4 choices:
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-Stock + Xposed
-Custom Rom based on stock
-Custom Rom based on AOSP
I can imagine 20, 40, 30, 10% respectively.
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Please create a poll just including those 4 choices:
-Stock
-Stock + Xposed
-Custom Rom based on stock
-Custom Rom based on AOSP
I can imagine 20, 40, 30, 10% respectively.
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done! great idea! ive been on xda for a few years but this is my first poll!
Ive Seen a few of you on this thread say stock has better battery. How come in my case on pa it is the other way around ??
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Ive Seen a few of you on this thread say stock has better battery. How come in my case on pa it is the other way around ??
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Thats decent and all...but on stock ROM I easily get over 7hrs of screen time, on average. Thats with pretty decent usage like web surfing, a lil bit of game play, and watching videos. A couple times I've come really close to 9hrs of screen time. I just dont see anyway how an AOSP ROM could beat that. Especially since I dont think I've ever got better battery life on any AOSP ROM, with any phone I've ever had.
decent? I find it quite good. Honestly I always find it quite questionable what people do when they say they reach 7-9hours of screen time. Just like a few nexus 4users (as always, a minority) reported getting 5-7 screen on time. To me something about that is fabricated. And if you are just using your phone as a form of eBook then it to me also explains why the sot is so high.
For the most part I don't really even take wireless man into consideration because then it would be quite realistic for me to get 7-9 hours of sot as well. It is just a bit strange because when I use my phone and compare results I'm usually nearly exclusively trying 3g because I intend to use it as a mobile phone and as such try to get the most realistic statistics play possible. Maybe this is a rant I don't know. Haha
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How's the app compatibility? I have read over xda that many apps don't work on g2 aosp.
Games like temple run, Nfs etc.?
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It's mediocre, a lot of games don't work and the list keeps growing. I ask devs if they can look into it and get no reply. So to me it seems like they don't care, so I don't care to use aosp. I stick to stock w/ xposed and its beast.
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