Tomorrow I'm getting my hands on the new SWR12 aka SmartBand 2. If you're preparing to buy one too, ask me anything regarding compatibility with the Z2.
After I had some time with it I'll try to write a review and compare the second generation with SWR10 aka SmartBand.
I'm quite curious about battery life. Wondering, if the new generation will last longer on battery without pulse monitoring.
First impressions:
Both the SWR12 core and band are made of different materials than SWR10. It feels more slippy.
Good news is that the SWR10 bands perfectly fit the new core. So you can use your old leather band with the new core.
The new band feels comfortable and the new lock is much better - no way this is going to fell of occasionally.
Great news is that the new SWR12 is compatible with SmartLock (Lollipop). So you can use it as a unlock device even though this is a BLE device. Yup, also works after a restart etc. I tested it very carefully, because I couldn't believe it Wondering if Sony is going to fix this for the first gen SmartBand....
The Heart Rate monitor is working better than expected, but I need to test this more to give a more reliable conclusion.
is it possbile to use heart rate measurements in 3rd party apps (Sports tracker in particular)? which new fuctions other than HR present in swr12 vs swr10?
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is it possbile to use heart rate measurements in 3rd party apps (Sports tracker in particular)?
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The SmartBand 2 host app only mentions Google Fit (there is a switch to enable synchronizing pulse rate with it). However there is a note that the pulse data is synchronized only if you measure your pulse using manual control. So for example if you want to measure your pulse every 10 minutes (like the Livelog does), that's not possible. So basically there are two options avaliable: Realtime pulse tracking or No pulse tracking at all.
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which new fuctions other than HR present in swr12 vs swr10?
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New strap
Colored notification LEDs
Smart Lock support for Lollipop
Standalone app (no need to use lifelog to measure steps etc.)
Google fit support
Quiet mode (Night mode replacement, probably you won't need to set when you sleep - it should track this without any interaction - for example during after-dinner sleep - still needs testing)
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Tomorrow I'm getting my hands on the new SWR12 aka SmartBand 2. If you're preparing to buy one too, ask me anything regarding compatibility with the Z2.
After I had some time with it I'll try to write a review and compare the second generation with SWR10 aka SmartBand.
I'm quite curious about battery life. Wondering, if the new generation will last longer on battery without pulse monitoring.
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where do you bought it? any web site to do it?
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where do you bought it? any web site to do it?
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I actually made this thread, because I guess I'm one of the first to get this device. I had huge trouble finding it - even ebay doesn't sell it.
When suddenly I looked at the local auction website "Allegro" in Poland and noticed that the official Sony re-seller called "M-point" has them in stock.
Link to the auction: http://allegro.pl/sony-swr12-smartband-2-czarny-i5653196214.html
Link to the reseller website: http://www.sklep.m-point.pl/4650-Sony-SWR12-SmartBand-2-czarny.html
No idea, if the shop ships internationally.
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Night mode replacement, probably you won't need to set when you sleep - it should track this without any interaction - for example during after-dinner sleep - still needs testing
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Just tested and indeed you don't need to use night mode to track your sleep - all is done automatically. That's superb!
It takes about 25 seconds to measure the pulse rate - lets call this a "cold start". After this period it measures in real time.
So take this into account, if you want just to check manually for your PR from time to time you'll need to wait a few seconds for the test to complete. This also applies to SWR12 STAMINA-mode.
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Could you make a test of how long the battery lasts when you permanently measure your heart rate. This would be interesting for me, because the main point I'm interested in is to have a 24h measurement of my heart rate - awake and asleep.
Thx
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Could you make a test of how long the battery lasts when you permanently measure your heart rate. This would be interesting for me, because the main point I'm interested in is to have a 24h measurement of my heart rate - awake and asleep.
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The heart rate is measured every 10 minutes by default. That way it should last for 2 days.
With Heart activity mode enabled (measures the heart rate more often than 10 minutes (every 5 minutes?) it should last for 10 hours.
Which mode would you like me to test? Also, I'm getting quite much notifications during the day, this could lessen the battery life.
EDIT: I was heavy testing the device yesterday, updating it's firmware, pairing with different devices, measuring heart rate in activity mode for some time etc and the battery lasted for about 28h. I did not use the STAMINA mode at all.
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The heart rate is measured every 10 minutes by default. That way it should last for 2 days.
With Heart activity mode enabled (measures the heart rate more often than 10 minutes (every 5 minutes?) it should last for 10 hours.
Which mode would you like me to test? Also, I'm getting quite much notifications during the day, this could lessen the battery life.
EDIT: I was heavy testing the device yesterday, updating it's firmware, pairing with different devices, measuring heart rate in activity mode for some time etc and the battery lasted for about 28h. I did not use the STAMINA mode at all.
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I would be interested in "heart rate in activity mode always on". I understand that in this mode the heart rate is measured permanently and not "only" every 10 minutes (which actually should be sufficent for most use cases).
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I would be interested in "heart rate in activity mode always on". I understand that in this mode the heart rate is measured permanently and not "only" every 10 minutes (which actually should be sufficent for most use cases).
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It's definitely not a constant measure in "heart rate in activity mode always on", because if I peek under the smartband 2 during this mode - it's not always emitting the green light (required to measure the pulse). So it's more often, but still not always on. The heart rate monitoring is only always on (permanent), if you keep the SWR12 app open (and keep the smartphone screen on). That's from my observation.
Difference between normal mode (2 days battery life) and activity mode (10 h battery life)
This diagram was recorded during 16h of usage (14h normal mode - 2h activity mode).
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I would be interested in "heart rate in activity mode always on". I understand that in this mode the heart rate is measured permanently and not "only" every 10 minutes (which actually should be sufficent for most use cases).
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I just fully charged my SWR12. You're right after all. I'm now peeking under the core every few minutes and the green light is always flashing. So yes, in activity mode the pulse is measured in real time. Sorry for my last reply, I made a mistake
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I just fully charged my SWR12. You're right after all. I'm now peeking under the core every few minutes and the green light is always flashing. So yes, in activity mode the pulse is measured in real time. Sorry for my last reply, I made a mistake
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Thx for your investigation. So with "always on" the smartband will not last for a whole day. But with "nomal mode" you are able to cover a whole day and maybe a second day.
So using "normal mode" and "always on" for sports and charging the smartband every day in the evening would be a way to go if you are really interested in your heart rate.
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Thx for your investigation. So with "always on" the smartband will not last for a whole day. But with "nomal mode" you are able to cover a whole day and maybe a second day.
So using "normal mode" and "always on" for sports and charging the smartband every day in the evening would be a way to go if you are really interested in your heart rate.
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I just finished testing the always on mode and I got exactly 12 h and 35 minutes of battery life. It might get even better after a few charge/discharge cycles.
So if I would plan to do an Iron Man challenge, I would need to hurry up
Just kidding.
Thank you very much for your test and your answers. I just saw that the Smartband is now available on amazon.de and I'm going to buy one now :good:
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So if I would plan to do an Iron Man challenge, I would need to hurry up
Just kidding.
Thank you very much for your test and your answers. I just saw that the Smartband is now available on amazon.de and I'm going to buy one now :good:
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I found something interesting: actually I didn't fully charge my band... Because the green LED indicates that the SWR12 is charged over 90%, so to fully charge I had to charge it for a qouple minutes longer... :sly:
Hi there. When you are using the continuous hr (always on), the only way to check your hr is checking the phone? I would like to use the band to practice sports but I would not be able to check the phone screen.
I know the band doesn't have a display (like fitbit charge hr). But if it was possible to check at least the zone you are (by the color of the led blinking for example) it would be OK to me.
Can tou test if it's possible to check your zone just looking to the band please?
Thanks very much!
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One feature I would like the gear fit to have would be an exercise app that continuously reads your heart rate.
Also have vibrating warning as your heart rate go up and down.
Example:
If your heart rate is to high, vibrate continuously until it gets lower. And short vibrations if its too low.
That would be perfect for people who want to work out and stay in a specific heat rate zone.
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One feature I would like the gear fit to have would be an exercise app that continuously reads your heart rate.
Also have vibrating warning as your heart rate go up and down.
Example:
If your heart rate is to high, vibrate continuously until it gets lower. And short vibrations if its too low.
That would be perfect for people who want to work out and stay in a specific heat rate zone.
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Even if there was a development kit doubt it be possible with the way the watch gets the heart rate.
If it kept that light on all the time I expect the battery be dead in a few hours tops
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Even if there was a development kit doubt it be possible with the way the watch gets the heart rate.
If it kept that light on all the time I expect the battery be dead in a few hours tops
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It already does continuous heart rate monitoring in running mode. But I don't just run. That's what I'm using now for my work outs, as long as the gear fit is on tight it gets good readings. Just would be nice if could get vibration feedback instead of having to look at the watch.
I was hoping to track my heart rate over time, even when not working out. Can the Fit do this in any easy way?
I would be ok with 5/10 minute intervals. A little different that what you need but it could just be a difference in settings.
yeah I was also hoping something like that was possible.. maybe some devs will make it in the near future
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Yeah. How else would you track calories burned from other forms of fitness? This is seriously a big hole in the capabilities of this device.
Hi,
it's possible to have an app like Jawbone UP for Samsung gear fit?
thanks a lot
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It already does continuous heart rate monitoring in running mode. But I don't just run. That's what I'm using now for my work outs, as long as the gear fit is on tight it gets good readings. Just would be nice if could get vibration feedback instead of having to look at the watch.
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Has anyone attempted to monitor HR all night using "Walk" mode? I'm thinking about attempting it tonight. I really think this watch could be a great exercise training tool to see how you are recovering. It's is completely useless for running "Distance" works fine as a stop watch.
would be amazing to see heart rate at 30 min intervals with no button pressing!!!
Hi. I'd join the topic paster with the request of app. I have Samsung Gear Fit and it would be very interesting to have such app. If it's possible. I'm even ready to donate (a fear price). My phone - Samsung Galaxy S4. If it's possible - please let me know. Thank you. BR
Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
UPDATE: There's great thread on this device already, that if I knew existed, I'd hardly started this one, but the location of it is questionable, as I am not sure if gf2 was ever advertised as s7e accessory...
Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
74Marek said:
Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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Not good, but satisfying By the way, charging is very comfortable with original charger. So, in technical, hardware side, I am satisfyied wit Gear Fit 2. Annoying is only buggy software.
Good, hopefully they implemented reply by template for both call and SMS notifications, find these options really useful...
But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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BTW, first charging (not sure, was it fully charged?) lasts 2 full days. Used hardly - few trail "trainings" (~1hr each) with GPS, few workout session (~1hr each), played with settings, listened music, tryed some watchfaces.
2 days max, not with brighteness on 10
after 6, almost 7 days of 'testing' up till today
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Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
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Here's my quick and dirty review so far. My prior devices: Fitbit, Polar Loop, Garmin Vivosmart, Garmin VSHR, Microsoft Band 2
Hardware: Very nice design. Well put together (doesn't feel cheap), screen is gorgeous. Band is comfortable and I don't even realize I'm wearing it. Waterproofing is nice. Has magnetic charging and charges at 1.32%/min. One con is that they don't include a loop on the band to lock it in place - I've had it pop off while brushing my wrist against things. Heart rate is accurate enough for RHR calculations. Had to buy a loop (18mm size) for $5.
Software: Beta-like. Buggy. Calories aren't calculated correctly. There are some decent apps (caffeine and water) and the one's there do have good UI/GFX. Notifications are easy to read and work bidirectional (an issue I had with the MS Band 2, where reading it on the phone didn't sync the read status on the band, annoying). Stair tracking is finicky and prone to inaccuracies.
Battery Life: I just logged a test of 91% usage over 68hrs. No GPS & wifi off. Display brightness at 5. Bluetooth on w/ notifications. 1hr worth of workout w/heart rate monitoring. Sleep tracked. That puts it at about an estimate 76hr total time if I don't use power-save mode. That's worlds better than the 50hrs I got with my Band2.
Verdict: It's a great piece of hardware. But buy it only if you feel they'll get the software bugs ironed out and not just abandonware it. I haven't used the original GearFit, so I don't know if they kept working on that.
What I Hope They Add in Software:
+ User voice or feedback submit option.
+ Invert Rotate-On, for wearing it inside the wrist.
+ Weightlifting/Interval workout option on band.
+ Ability to configure power-save mode to automatically turn on. Right now it asks permission at around 10%. Maybe even allow the user to select what it does (ie: grayscale, dim screen, etc.)
+ Automatic goal scaling
+ Inactivity meter (a few bands have this, it's a nice feature).
+ Ability to temporarily go full brightness on screen with extra tap or click. I have mine set to 5, would love to be able to just double-tap it to boost it for when in daylight. I don't believe it has a light sensor.
I'd recommend buying it with a protection plan. I got mine for $175+$30 at BB for 2years no questions replacement. Only reason I did it is because these bands are often made to the cheapest pricing and prone to failure. In fact, I traded my MS Band 2 straight across for this (also paid $175+$30 for that) because I had gone through 4 of those in 6 months.
JUst got mine this morning...Super Comfortable, Display is Awesome...Notifications work great with my V10... I am hoping more apps get developed this time around.
I picked it up a week ago (release day, the 10th), but just returned it. I never return things, and I hated returning this.
My experiences:
GREAT:
-Easily the most comfortable fitting device I've ever had on my wrist, and with no clip, it doesn't scrape desks and laptop palm wrests, or is even noticeable as a lump on the wrist (complete opposite of my experience with my wife's Microsoft Band 2).
-Screen is incredible, indoors, and not bad outside
-Swipe navigation is smooth and responsive
-The display wake gesture was pretty solid and responsive
-The charger is awesome. Pulls device into place via magnet perfectly and works the same regardless of direction, the display shows time and charge, right side up both ways. Mount is stable and low-centered to sit on desk firmly, without being oversized or heavy. Charges extremely fast
-GPS was dead on each day of my 42 mile daily bike commute, in comparison to my Wahoo ELEMNT cycling computer's GPS
MEH-ISH:
-The notifications were good, but limited details which required I go to the phone often to know what it was about. I understand it's a band and not a full blown smartwatch, so not really complaining
-There wasn't much you could do with it as far as apps, but it's new and I'm sure that will change soon.
-The auto-sleep detection didn't work well for me. If I watched TV before bed, it would count it as sleep, and if I got up in the middle of the night to pee and let the dogs out, it would end the sleep session, sometimes ignoring me going back to bed, other times counting them as separate sleeps. If I went into S Health to manually edit it, it was extremely buggy, wouldn't save, would lose the data, ect. I gave up trying. Since there was no manual sleep start/stop like you can with exercise, you have to go with the auto-detect.
BATTERY:
I ran mostly default settings as far as alerts/notifications 24/7 heart rate, ect. My 42 mile daily commute (~2 hrs) I would manually start the cycling mode with GPS and heart rate (ebike, video of my commute) lol and from that, after 24 hours, it would be down to around half battery. Each morning I would have a cup of coffee at my desk and charge it (<20 minutes). I'm the kind of person that needs habits or I forget. So, even if the device lasted 5 days, I would prefer to stick it on the charger at the same time every day to top it off as a routine. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it lasted a week, or a month+, if I need to travel, but as long as it easily lasts a day, I can be good with that, considering the fast charging. The Microsoft band 2 takes 1hr+ from my experience.
NOPE:
-The stopper, for me, was the locked down data for exercise. Heart rate data couldn't be viewed in the 1 second format anywhere but in a very basic graph on the S Health app and on the device. It doesn't even carry to Google Fit. Even though there's Strava sharing, export options, ect, it ONLY allows GPS and time stamp data out. Even in developer mode of the phone and app, I could only see the 24 hour heart rate samples, and random samples during the activity, nothing even close to the 1 second data, though better than the Microsoft Band's 1 minute heart rate data. Since my S7 doesn't have root, I gave up trying to get at the data.
DISCOVERY:
-Having bought it from Best Buy, I exchanged it for the Vivoactive hr. HOWEVER, after exchanging it, I noticed a Samsung rep in the store so I went to him to say how much I loved the Gear Fit 2, but I HAD to have access to the data, so returned it. He said something like: "Very soon there's a Tizen update coming that will open that data up via an API for the major fitness platforms, including Strava, who is already set up to receive that data once we update".
-Well, crap, wish I had known that before. The Vivoactive hr display is HORRIBLE, I have the brightness cranked and a custom, bold, white watch face to help me try and see it in dim areas. In the sun it's fine, because it reflects the light to see the numbers, but in the dark it's extremely hard for me to see. Also, the notifications are more like annoyifications because they keep re-notifying even after being dismissed, randomly.
i saw a photo in hg notification. good enought for me
My thoughts so far
From a hardware perspective, I am a big fan. I find it to be very comfortable, the screen is gorgeous, and the whole thing is very responsive. I would like more battery - I am only getting a day out of mine so far, but that does involve about an hour of GPS from my bike commute along with an abnormal amount of use, as it is a new toy.
From a software perspective, it still needs work. I have not had it autodetect my workouts yet, and GPS occasionally fails to pick up a signal. Notifications in general are spotty. I will get most text messages on my wrist, but I can't get any alarm clock program to work. My main interface issue is that it is rather common for a swipe to be picked up as a press, especially if I start the swipe on the screen as opposed to off of the edge. I'm not enamored with any of the available watch faces, and I would like an always on mode.
Personally, I have no issues with S Health, but my fitness tracking was very fragmented beforehand. My previous tracker was a Basis Peak, which was locked into its own bubble anyway. So far, I am still doing double tracking of workouts with Endomondo, but once I am satisfied that the GPS will be more consistent (or that automatic tracking will work), I will drop that.
All in all, I am happy, but would like to see a few updates.
Can someone compare it vs. Fit1 (I mean owners of both devices), I.e. notifications, factory apps...
I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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It is a huge improvement of the first generation GF even though I sold mine a while back. I read through my initial review of the GF, and wow has it changed! I tried a few Android Wear Watches. I'm enjoying the GF2 so far without any real issues which is a good sign. Let me know if you have any questions.
Hello
I play with my stratos for 2 mins and battery loses 1%
Is this hardware issue ?
It lasted 2 days and left 16%
Any help ?
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Mind you explain in more detail of your usage before.
The way you said seems hars for anyone of us to figure out your problem.
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Hello
I play with my stratos for 2 mins and battery loses 1%
Is this hardware issue ?
It lasted 2 days and left 16%
Any help ?
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When I've received my watch I've charged it to 100 % and after that I've played with It half a day.
Next day I've had 40 % maybe.
Do you need more details ?
If you constantly turn on the light and full screen it of course doesn't last long.
To better measure the batery performance,
it best to recommended you to put on standy mod after fully charged.
It kinda hard to determine how the brightness you set while playing your watch, what the intensive vibration you had set, if you connected to Wi-Fi, if connected to phone bluetooth and etc.
Usually any new toys you received will prompt a problem of battery drain issues due to massive playing with it. It new, by nature human man kind would definitely to explore non stop.
Follow my advice above to let it be stanby mode and the monitor. Then after post your find out.
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When I've received my watch I've charged it to 100 % and after that I've played with It half a day.
Next day I've had 40 % maybe.
Do you need more details ?
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By standby mode do you mean aeroplane mode?
My brightness is at 2 and wi-fi off, vibrate at strong and bluetooth on.
With all that I am flat out getting 2 days.
I have factory restored and using the inbuilt prototype face.
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To better measure the batery performance,
it best to recommended you to put on standy mod after fully charged.
It kinda hard to determine how the brightness you set while playing your watch, what the intensive vibration you had set, if you connected to Wi-Fi, if connected to phone bluetooth and etc.
Usually any new toys you received will prompt a problem of battery drain issues due to massive playing with it. It new, by nature human man kind would definitely to explore non stop.
Follow my advice above to let it be stanby mode and the monitor. Then after post your find out.
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i woud suggest you to disconnect your watch with your phone at all. do not use it at all and not necessary on airplane mode.
Then you monitor the battery performance. if the battery life still the same.... i do suspect some form hardware failure given if your watch is stock rom and done nothing using 3rd party apps or connection at all.
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By standby mode do you mean aeroplane mode?
My brightness is at 2 and wi-fi off, vibrate at strong and bluetooth on.
With all that I am flat out getting 2 days.
I have factory restored and using the inbuilt prototype face.
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I MIGHT have figured out my battery drain culprit. I went back to a vanilla factory. I then updated the latest firmware and 24 hours later was on about 86%. At work, I use the countdown timer four or five times for 25 minutes each and my charge went down to around 40% over 10 hours. Will try tomorrow and NOT use the timer and see where I end up.
Come on, the watch has that high battery live when it is mostly sleeping, which is also when it has the low screen resolution.
If you use the timer, or paceon, or constantly switch on the light, then you have no battery live at all.
The same goes for bluetooth music.
Hi
There is an ongoing thread about the new 2.3.7.0 Stratos firmware and whether its OK to update.
Can I ask if anyone who has updated has found that Continuous heart rate monitoring is now broken - symptoms are that resting heart rate is reported as '--', there are gaps in the data, and when you look at the back of the watch the heart rate LEDs only work in brief burst of about 10 seconds, the go off for a minute or two (completely different to continuous previous 2.3.5.0 behaviour)
Hopefully the images from the Amazfit app show the issue better than I can say in writing..
Heart rate images from 10th December (2.3.5.0) and 13th December (after update to 2.3.7.0) are in the attachements below this post.
Hmm, as I explained you in another thread. I'm pretty sure that continuous HRM is not really continuous. Just checked again and the LED on my Stratos is off right now even continuous hrm is on.
However, your graphs clearly show that in the latest release, continuous HRM is even less continuous. Definitely has unusual gaps.
With the oldest FW, mine looks like the first one you've posted.
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Just double checked. After zooming, my continuous HRM looks like second one you've posted! Also has gaps. However, watch and the app are showing resting, min, max, average HR. For resting takes some time to show up, at least a day. And you did factory reset...
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1. Known bug: currently Pace/Stratos do not record reading bellow a minimum value (I think it's 47bpm), Huami is already aware of this;
2. Obviously, continuous doesn't mean it measures heartbeat every second, first it needs about 15s to get just one reading, and then keeping the sensor on all the time would kill battery. IRIIC it reads every 1 or 2 minutes;
3. No resting rate: first check that your profile is correctly filled, then you must use the watch at night, while sleeping. If both are OK then you need to factory reset: first try with restoring old data (it usually doesn't fix anything), then without restoring old data after pairing again.
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2. Obviously, continuous doesn't mean it measures heartbeat every second, first it needs about 15s to get just one reading, and then keeping the sensor on all the time would kill battery. IRIIC it reads every 1 or 2 minutes;
3. No resting rate: first check that your profile is correctly filled, then you must use the watch at night, while sleeping. If both are OK then you need to factory reset: first try with restoring old data (it usually doesn't fix anything), then without restoring old data after pairing again.
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You are incorrect about a 47 BPM bug, I see min 43 BPM on December 14th, Min 43 BPM on December 15th, and Min 42 BPM today as I write this post. I saw readings below 47 before with 2.3.5.0. Maybe this broke in 2.3.6.0 / 1 which I did not use?
Secondly, continuous HR with 2.3.5.0 meant LEDs flashing on all the time. Almost every video I have seen on Youtube with Stratos reviews show LEDs on back always flashing.
This is how things always worked since September with 2.3.5.0 and it did not kill battery, only 2% overnight, or 5% during the day if no GPS or Bluetooth battery. It was always VERY accurate too, resting always match my Wahoo Tickr within 1 or 2 beats as you can see from Wahoo Tickr screenshot vs December 10th screenshot in 1st post with 2.3.5.0
See this Youtube video - everytime he turns over the watch, LEDs are always flashing and I can see from this setting he used Continuous HR to on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxKihwRNV4
In my view always on LED the correct behavior and exactly as Fitbit Surge or Garmin Fenix 5 Plus which also have 24/7 LEDs in continuous mode. As a general point, Fitbit Surge and Garmin Fenix offer 5 to 7 day battery with proper continuous HR and Stratos with 2.3.5.0 also did this fine.
I've spent the last 3 days resetting / rebooting / repairing and this simply is not a fix - sorry! 2.3.7.0 is broken, at least on my watch and cannot be fixed my end. See HR track from yesterday (15th December)
As a very experienced user of this device with over 660 miles logged, I know how it worked since September 2018 with 2.3.5.0 and how it doesn't work now - this isn't something I am doing wrong.....
cumbrianrunner said:
As a very experienced user of this device with over 660 miles logged, I know how it worked since September 2018 with 2.3.5.0 and how it doesn't work now - this isn't something I am doing wrong.....
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Sorry, but there is not much to be "very experienced" about. Regardless how many miles you have logged so far. With that logic I'm about double experienced than you
Anyway, I agree that they're messing up with FW, fixing one bug, making two more. Instead of wasting your energy here on xda forum to prove us something, turn to Amazfit instead. Open the ticket and prove to them. It's good for all of us. Actually, all of us should open the ticket for every bug, every problem we find.
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Sorry, but there is not much to be "very experienced" about. Regardless how many miles you have logged so far. With that logic I'm about double experienced than you
Anyway, I agree that they're messing up with FW, fixing one bug, making two more. Instead of wasting your energy here on xda forum to prove us something, turn to Amazfit instead. Open the ticket and prove to them. It's good for all of us. Actually, all of us should open the ticket for every bug, every problem we find.
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The reason I put my usage is that it's a bit frustrating people saying reboot or repair - this is really like a IT support cliche telling you to turn it on and off again! I know how this works and its just wasting time with a firmware defect.
I have reported all the bugs I have found in Stratos since September, including uploading log reports from the phone directly from WIFI, filling reports with Amazfit and have had no response ever from them. Just an auto-reply - never any human follow up.
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I have reported all the bugs I have found in Stratos since September, including uploading log reports from the phone directly from WIFI, filling reports with Amazfit and have had no response ever from them. Just an auto-reply - never any human follow up.
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That's odd. I have couple of threads with them (more than 10 ). Sometimes they are not very responsive but in couple of days, they usually answer. Of course, first couple of answers are generic but if you are persistent you may get trough even to the dev team.
You are using link below, right?
https://support.amazfit.com/hc/en-us
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That's odd. I have couple of threads with them (more than 10 ). Sometimes they are not very responsive but in couple of days, they usually answer. Of course, first couple of answers are generic but if you are persistent you may get trough even to the dev team.
You are using link below, right?
https://support.amazfit.com/hc/en-us
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Hi, yes that is link - this is what I get back - always this, nothing more...
Dear cumbrianrunner
Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response confirming the receipt of your request, and it is being reviewed by our support team.
Please note, Amazfit Support is available Monday through Friday, 9:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m. PT. All support inquiries submitted outside of normal operating hours will require additional time for a response.
I think that link may be for people in the USA only - I am in England, and one of the questions they ask is about sales channels. I suspect non-US reponses to sales channel questions get filed in the bin too be honest
Well, try with US channel then
For me continues heart rate is working on 2.3.7.0. The lights should flash every minute for around 10s. It is measuring in one minute intervals except during activities. On Apple or Suunto continues means 10 minutes. On Garmin each second. What I recognized is that my resting HR is now relatively higher than before. But now it is winter and I am doing much less cardio training than in summer. So it could be true. Resting HR still recognizes resting days, hard workouts, illness or drinking alcohol correctly.
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Well, try with US channel then
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I may do that
Well I have another bug - I am about to go out for a run, my usual stretching exercises puts my HR at about 60-65 BPM. Stratos with 2.3.7.0 is going nuts with continuous readings - spiking at 105 BPM, drop back to 78 BPM is next read cycle, then back to 96 BPM on other cycle.
Wahoo Tickr and Fitbit Surge have me around 60-65 BPM which is correct.
I could report this, but I suspect this would go into the 'too hard to fix' bin...! But will try pretending I am in the USA today
I can't say much about the stratos continuous heartbeat, but my Pace (FW 2.8.1.0) regularly shows a rate of 180 - 200 when I easily can make a conversation....
cumbrianrunner said:
You are incorrect about a 47 BPM bug, I see min 43 BPM on December 14th, Min 43 BPM on December 15th, and Min 42 BPM today as I write this post. I saw readings below 47 before with 2.3.5.0. Maybe this broke in 2.3.6.0 / 1 which I did not use?
Secondly, continuous HR with 2.3.5.0 meant LEDs flashing on all the time. Almost every video I have seen on Youtube with Stratos reviews show LEDs on back always flashing.
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So maybe 2.3.7.0 fixed the low HR minimum (I am not sure because I do not use this feature normally, but I know it existed for 2.3.6.0/1)... I have just enabled continuous HR for the last few hours, and I am sure the green leds aren't on always. I also got the graph showing the resting rate.
guys, throw all that stuff at me, i'll try to prioritize it again.
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Can I ask if anyone who has updated has found that Continuous heart rate monitoring is now broken - symptoms are that resting heart rate is reported as '--', there are gaps in the data, and when you look at the back of the watch the heart rate LEDs only work in brief burst of about 10 seconds, the go off for a minute or two (completely different to continuous previous 2.3.5.0 behaviour).
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The same crap has been going on with the Pace for the past year. I was in touch with support for months and got a constant reply that it'll be fixed on the next ROM. This reply was repeated for months, until the warranty ran out, with me supplying the developers with data, screenshots and uploads directly from the watch. I chucked mine and put it down to buying cheap ****, and useless support. A friend who still has patience tells me that they still haven't fixed the HR issue.
Have fun with support, I hope you have better luck with the Stratos.
Hi guys,
I just got my new Amazfit GTR and noticed strange behavior of heart rate monitor. It shows values even if the device is not on my wrist. I left the device on the table for more than hour and any time I looked on main screen there was heart rate value and it was also changing the values. So it wasn't just last value stuck. I tried to run exercise activity while leaving device on the table and it was showing heart rate as well. Not all the time but sometimes there was value and sometimes not. So is the device faking heart rate values? Is it normal behavior?
It is how PPG sensors work, they use the reflected light to estimate the number of beats. Search the internet for more info.
Well, I have another watch with PPG sensor but they don't show nothing when they are not on wrist.
So it will probably not be about sensor type. In this case they for example report my rest heart rate during the night even if they lay next to me on the table so the values will be completely faked.
The sensor works that way, but other devices may use *other* sensors to disable the reading when they detect the watch isn't being used, the accelerometer for instance.
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The sensor works that way, but other devices may use *other* sensors to disable the reading when they detect the watch isn't being used, the accelerometer for instance.
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HEyy,
- Also got 2 other product with the same comportment `` Fitbit Charge Hr ´´ and `` Fitbit Blaze ´´ , both detect when they are not in the wrist. Why doen's GTR do the same?
- Also both got more accuracy in Heart rate measurments...Because they are doing it consistently. With Amazfit GTR i only can program it to do it 1min in 1min. Already change it with Notify & Fitness. nothing seems to change....
- Another outburst from my side : heart rate scale doen't save scores higher than 180 BTM !
Are some of them just software issues ?
Regards to all
The heart beat sensor on the GTR is utter garbage. It does indeed fake heart beat results. Also the sleep analysis functionality is totally broken.
Just got my GTR and the heart rate monitoring is way off. Always some 20 to 35 Beats above the real one. As I have some hair I tried it in my finger and in my belly with the same wrong results. The firmware version is 1.3.4.19 which was updated immediately after first turn on. In contrast the free Android app I use is pretty accurate. I will still test the GPS.
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Just got my GTR and the heart rate monitoring is way off. Always some 20 to 35 Beats above the real one. As I have some hair I tried it in my finger and in my belly with the same wrong results. The firmware version is 1.3.4.19 which was updated immediately after first turn on. In contrast the free Android app I use is pretty accurate. I will still test the GPS.
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I returned the GTR and got another one from another vendor and it has the same problem. I can now say that the heart rate monitoring in the GTR is useless, just a boring toy.
Amazfit admits that the heart rate monitor is "prone to inaccuracies" in its faq: https://support.amazfit.com/us/faq/839
As the heart rate sensor is basically a pulse oximeter which monitors the perfusion of blood to the dermis, it’s prone to inaccuracies.That’s because skin perfusion — a measure of how much blood flows through your skin-varies significantly from person to another. Especially the ones who have dark skin, hairy wrists, tattoo, and scar.
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Kaka0 said:
Amazfit admits that the heart rate monitor is "prone to inaccuracies" in its faq: https://support.amazfit.com/us/faq/839
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Oddly enough I have found the heart rate monitor to be remakably accurate if worn correctly and over the range 60-110. A few moments ago I confirmed previous results and while the watch showed 91 bpm a simultaneous ECG showed 90 bpm. The problem I have with the HR monitor is that it seems, when the cpu is stressed, to produce crazy results. To get around this I run exercise from the phone and get sensible results from the HR monitor. I might add that I was cooling down after exercise!
Well seems I am testing today. Had the watch about 2 days. I am guessing the watch does NOT show the current temperature? Like that matters. The GPS took about 45-60 seconds to connect, as others had. Seem to do faster NOT on wrist. Now my heart-rate monitor works really good. Tested it and I when I got 86 the watch got 85. did it again I got 84 thee watch got 85. Now I did take it off put it on the rubber mat and it kept going up to about 96 lol Put on my keyboard( light on top of keys) it went down to 40. Yet on my wrist works really good.