I have enabled all settings and trained and retrained the voice model. I cannot seem to get the OK Google detection from any screen. It works when I open the app or when I slide up from the bottom which is opening the app. I am using the Verizon Wireless version.
Any tips or is anyone else experiencing this issues too?
I had the same issue yesterday, but now it works for some reason. The only thing I did was to install the Google Now launcher, update the settings there, test it, and go back to the LG UI. There's no way for me to know if this made it work, I just know that now it does.
I'll try this and see what happens. I wish it would just work the way its built.
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Using Google Now Launcher didn't help.
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I read somewhere the other day that the most recent update to google search broke voice detection from any screen and lock screen. Waiting on a fix from Google..
That would make sense. I was getting frustrated with this device. It doesn't have the smart screen that stays on when you're looking at it and the issue with the fingerprint not working with a case then Ok Google detection not working. I was about to take it back.
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I had this issue on the htc m9 also, so I figured it was the app, or Android version 5.1
It seems to be fixed now.
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Mine still works just about half the time, just like on the HTC m9.
I have no issues with it since an update a few days ago.
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Nice, I just checked and I have an update, so I'm hoping it'll be the same here.
Update: so far so good.
YrrchSebor said:
Nice, I just checked and I have an update, so I'm hoping it'll be the same here.
Update: so far so good.
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What is the version? Mine doesn't work. And when I retrain, it doesn't even hear me. However I can hit the microphone button and ask it a question without issue.
In Settings/Apps, the "Google App" I have is version 5.5.29.19.arm64
That's the most updated. Are you sure that you have Voice Detection turned on?
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Gah, mine is actually still sporadic here, worse than before even. At the moment I can't train my voice or talk after hitting the microphone button.... The Google app just isnt hearing me at all anywhere. The LG voice command app seems to work so I don't think it's my microphone.
It seemed to be working last night but I rebooted my phone this morning and now nothing
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That's the most updated. Are you sure that you have Voice Detection turned on?
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Yup. And when I attempt to retrain it, it says "listening" even after I say "OK Google". It just doesn't hear me. But I can press the mic icon and say "what time it is it" or any question like that without any issue at all.
Hmmmmm. I have found that the V10 does have some bugs. Not sure exactly why. For example, sometimes I see it disconnect from what is a very stable WiFi.
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Hmmmmm. I have found that the V10 does have some bugs. Not sure exactly why. For example, sometimes I see it disconnect from what is a very stable WiFi.
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I haven't seen that, but I have noticed that the signal strength meter for the wifi seems to show a weaker signal than it did with my M9. And that the cell reception also seems a bit weaker as well.
It happens to me more at work than at home. Sometimes I have to switch to the Xfinity connection to watch Hulu. The WiFi at work isn't great. That's why we all hardwire our laptops.
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It happens to me more at work than at home. Sometimes I have to switch to the Xfinity connection to watch Hulu. The WiFi at work isn't great. That's why we all hardwire our laptops.
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My only similar scenario is watching Showtime at the gym. They have a Netgear router there. I have now watched all of the latest season of Homeland there (about 50 minutes per episode), and haven't had any disconnection issues.
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I lose my data connection constantly. Pages won't load unless I toggle mobile data at least 5x a day. My market app is also not loading often unless I go into settings and force it to close, then re-open. My camera also locks up a lot. Sometimes my home screen even holds that 3d aura after using the camera sometimes.
Anyone else run into these issues?
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I lose my data connection constantly. Pages won't load unless I toggle mobile data at least 5x a day. My market app is also not loading often unless I go into settings and force it to close, then re-open. My camera also locks up a lot. Sometimes my home screen even holds that 3d aura after using the camera sometimes.
Anyone else run into these issues?
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I seem the camera issue once but not the data problems you might need to reprogram the phone, or take it to the sprint store
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
It is pretty annoying to have to toggle mobile data damn near every time I use the web.
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I've noticed that with the power saving settings enabled (can't remember exactly what it's called) it takes a little bit to reconnect to data (like it automatically turns it off when not in use). It might be related to that if you have that on. But I don't have that problem. Only related problems I have are the camera freezing/locking up (but mostly on other camera apps rather than the stock - but still on stock here and there) and the delay in turning off the 3d screen mode.
You arent the only one having problems, I have posted something similar in the Android central forums. I've noticed the signal to be weaker than on the evo 4G and the 4G signal drops a lot more and I have to manually reconnect it.
I have tested this both at work and at home where I used to get a good signal.
I have tried everything except a factory reset, which I may try this weekend but even then according to others that have tried this, that's still only a temporary fix.
I have also done a prl and software update, turned the phone off then on again and finally took it into a sprint store. They ran their diagnostic programs and found no issues. The thing is, one of the sprint reps also owned a 3D and had the same issue. None of them could figure out what was wrong.
I have emailed HTC and bothered them on Twitter but the response I got was basically "sorry you are having problems, try a factory reset".
I am past my 30 day exchange and I'm not paying for a repair. I don't know what else to do.
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Dude ur not the only one my pages hang daily also phone rattles its ass of when typing and with a slight shake u can hear it inside the phone . Takin It to sprint today.
I've seen the camera freeze on my last 3D..this one I have now has not done it once! I'd swap it out if your having this problem. Go to another store to do a swap, hopefully their stock is from a different lot!
Hitraj47, that stuff should still be covered under the one year warranty.
I don't really have the time, or even want to deal with going into a sprint store. I know I'll hear the "factory reset" answer, and still have the same issue when I leave.
My og evo would hardly ever roam. My 3d roams a lot more.
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Mine roams all the time, and plays my default notification whenever it switches to insure that I pull it out of my pocket and look at it for no reason. I'm also having the wonderful issue that seems to be common over at androidforums.com, with the default music player constantly skipping when I have it plugged up with the 3.5mm to my car. No issues with the camera, yet. All in all I love the phone and I'm not going to move to any other device. Just want this silly stuff fixed. It's only the beginning with these things, everything will eventually get worked out.
I don't play my music through earphones but I do through the car. I thought the music skipping was because of google music beta. I have not experienced the skipping in Pandora or anything else.
It will only skip once though so I don't get annoyed.
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I don't play my music through earphones but I do through the car. I thought the music skipping was because of google music beta. I have not experienced the skipping in Pandora or anything else.
It will only skip once though so I don't get annoyed.
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Had the skipping problem all the time on the OG Evo..
Also I have the data problems also... And how is your 30 days up...earliest you could have gotten it was the 21st I thought...
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Had the skipping problem all the time on the OG Evo..
Also I have the data problems also... And how is your 30 days up...earliest you could have gotten it was the 21st I thought...
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I signed up for sprint because I switched from tmo to sprint for a $125 service credit. The promo ended 23rd which was a day before the 3D came out so I signed up before with an evo 4g and then used my 30 day swap to get the 3D (paid the difference, on contract price)
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no issues here but I think you guys need to need a soft reset once ina while.
Soft reset? As in reboot the phone? Already tried that
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Has anyone had trouble with Ingress on the HTC One? I keep getting nothing but a blank map. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling the app and resyncing several times, all to no avail. Apparently it's a "known issue":
Some agents have reported seeing a blank or black map on their Scanners. We're currently investigating a fix for this issue. In the meantime, some agents have reported that disabling Wi-Fi and forcing your device into 3G or data-only mode resolves this problem. Please refer to your mobile phone's manual for the exact instructions on doing this for your device. Note that you may incur extra data charges for doing this since you'll no longer using a Wi-Fi connection.
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I managed to get the map to show up once, but since then, no luck. It's a damn shame, because the game runs quite well on the One.
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Has anyone had trouble with Ingress on the HTC One? I keep getting nothing but a blank map. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling the app and resyncing several times, all to no avail. Apparently it's a "known issue":
I managed to get the map to show up once, but since then, no luck. It's a damn shame, because the game runs quite well on the One.
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I am not having any trouble -- the game runs substantially faster and better than on every other device I've owned.
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Has anyone had trouble with Ingress on the HTC One? I keep getting nothing but a blank map. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling the app and resyncing several times, all to no avail. Apparently it's a "known issue":
I managed to get the map to show up once, but since then, no luck. It's a damn shame, because the game runs quite well on the One.
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Hello fellow agent. Have same problem it has to do with LTE. If you launch the game the initial scan doesn't always work when on LTE. If I go into Network settings and turn off LTE by choosing WCDMA and go back to Ingress it will load fine. Then I can go back and use LTE as long as app stays running. It's flaky but this has worked every time.
I'd like to report this to Niantic. Do you have a thread going on this or is it on G+?
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Hello fellow agent. Have same problem it has to do with LTE. If you launch the game the initial scan doesn't always work when on LTE. If I go into Network settings and turn off LTE by choosing WCDMA and go back to Ingress it will load fine. Then I can go back and use LTE as long as app stays running. It's flaky but this has worked every time.
I'd like to report this to Niantic. Do you have a thread going on this or is it on G+?
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Yeah, I reported it in a Google Group.
Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a shot.
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Yup, I just checked, and AT&T LTE is the culprit. Seems to work fine when it's disabled. I really hope Niantic gets this resolved - I'll add this information to the post I made.
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Yeah, I reported it in a Google Group.
Thanks for the tip, I'll give that a shot.
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Yup, I just checked, and AT&T LTE is the culprit. Seems to work fine when it's disabled. I really hope Niantic gets this resolved - I'll add this information to the post I made.
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Can you give me the link? I'd like to post I'm having the same issue. What's odd is it's only the initial scan. When the app is running and you're on LTE it appears to work fine. Hope they fix it soon too. My guess is when the app starts it doesn't detect the LTE connection properly or something.
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Can you give me the link? I'd like to post I'm having the same issue. What's odd is it's only the initial scan. When the app is running and you're on LTE it appears to work fine. Hope they fix it soon too. My guess is when the app starts it doesn't detect the LTE connection properly or something.
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Sure, here you go:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/ingress-discuss/1t_6XED1EwA/ALtA7T-GAegJ
Hello everyone,
I've been having issues with my LG G5. I've updated it to Android 7 with the last OTA update from tmo. I keep having this random issue where there is no sound at all. It simply ceases.
When I get calls, the ringtone doesn't play.
If I pick up a call coming in, I do hear the caller without issue.
While on a call, the speaker does work.
The speaker does work when playing a music app (Rocket Player was used).
So, it appears that the notification and ringtone audio ceases.
I have changed the sound profile to ensure it is on Sound and not Silent or Vibrate.
I have made sure the volume is up all the way with each slider.
I've tested with disabling Call Settings like VoLTE which gave me issues on previous phones.
Wi-Fi, BT, NFC, GPS, and other features are off.
Wi-Fi Calling is disabled.
Do Not Disturb is disabled.
Anyone having similar issues?
What us an easy way to provide a list of apps?
Thank you,
Johnathan
So, has no one else seen this issue before?
johnathanamber said:
So, has no one else seen this issue before?
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Did it get wet? Was it exposed to any moisture?
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Thanks Nick.
No, it hasn't gotten wet and is only exposed to air moisture.
Last night while at the house, I was texting and while doing so, it stopped providing notification sounds. The volume was up all the way as it normally is. A reboot brought them back.
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Thanks Nick.
No, it hasn't gotten wet and is only exposed to air moisture.
Last night while at the house, I was texting and while doing so, it stopped providing notification sounds. The volume was up all the way as it normally is. A reboot brought them back.
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A reboot brought them back, so problem fixed?
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No, it happens repeatedly at random. Usually once a day.
johnathanamber said:
No, it happens repeatedly at random. Usually once a day.
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You try just LGup and kdz? Sometimes problems are just easier to go that route.
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Nick,
Much appreciated.
I was thinking that was how I would have to go to root my phone. But, I've not done that before. I have the H830, what instructions would I perform to do that?
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Nick,
Much appreciated.
I was thinking that was how I would have to go to root my phone. But, I've not done that before. I have the H830, what instructions would I perform to do that?
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You don't need root for it. But here's where you need to go. READ it before going foward! Instructions all there. Not hard at all to do. Ask questions there if you need help. Once you do it once, it's a breeze after that.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/info-autos-g5-thread-t3350648
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I can not figure out for the life of me why this is an issue on my Verizon V10. I have an alpine radio in my car, and whenever play music with my V10 to the radio over bluetooth, it skips all the time and it gets very very annoying. Sometimes a restart fixes this, sometimes clearing the cache for the bluetooth fixes this, but it always comes back. I do not know if it does this with calls as well. It does it with every bluetooth device I have connected to it. My radio being the most used one. I have done a factory reset, and hat has done nothing for me. Any help is greatly appreciated.
I have the same issue and cannot figure it out. Quite frustrating. Please update if you figure anything out and I will do the same.
I had issues. I ended up calling Verizon as I had issues even installing updates! I had to factory reset a crap load of times and it was pissing me off. I have since contacted LG. The phone was under factory warranty so I sent it back to them and they "re-calibrated my gps" and re-provisioned the phone to meet factory specifications. Now 2 weeks in it seems to have fixed the Bluetooth issue. Hoping it doesn't come back. By the way, this is the second LG V10. The first one was so bad Verizon swapped out the phone for me.
It's a software issue with 6.0 which was fixed with 6.0.1 which was released by Google in December of 2015 which we haven't gotten 14 months later.
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It's a software issue with 6.0 which was fixed with 6.0.1 which was released by Google in December of 2015 which we haven't gotten 14 months later.
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So it is a software issue huh? The way it acts would make it seem like a hardware problem, but anything is possible with this thing apparently.
I have the same troubles too. It will cut out for a second her and there. In my car AND with my LG Tones. I could be playing music or a podcast. I could have the phone less than a foot away with no obstructions and it still cuts out. Pretty Suresh it's not a hardware issue.
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I have the same troubles too. It will cut out for a second her and there. In my car AND with my LG Tones. I could be playing music or a podcast. I could have the phone less than a foot away with no obstructions and it still cuts out. Pretty Suresh it's not a hardware issue.
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I actually went through the problem of taking my radio out and extending the Bluetooth antenna thinking it might have been the problem. I am glad I am not the only one with this problem. I am a couple weeks out of warranty now too so I will have to live with it.
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I actually went through the problem of taking my radio out and extending the Bluetooth antenna thinking it might have been the problem. I am glad I am not the only one with this problem. I am a couple weeks out of warranty now too so I will have to live with it.
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Hopefully we will get an update soon but it really has been a year since that happened.
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Hopefully we will get an update soon but it really has been a year since that happened.
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I keep reading on different sites that nougat may be around the corner. If that is the case then I hope it gets fixed.
To the best of my knowledge it was fixed in 6.0.1 which was released 4 months BEFORE the V10 got 6.0.
Ya never know, it could have been broken in 7.0 and I HIGHLY DOUBT we'll get 7.1.1.
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Maybe it's just placebo, but after pondering/testing this exact question since I got this phone the day it released, seems to me that closing chrome has the most positive influence on bluetooth quality. I tend to close everything but messenger and jetAudio just to make myself feel better. Also noticed that poweramp didn't work as well as jA under any circumstances. Test your running apps, test your music app. Just my .02
Had big expectations for this phone.. Bluetooth issues, screen burn-in, no root (yet), no oem nougat still, kind of let down
Is anyone else having an issue when streaming music via Bluetooth? It sounds like static/crackling, kinda like the audio is being clipped at the higher end.
I just got the phone on Monday so I have time to try and exchange it if it could be a bad phone. Just not sure if it is a common issue or not.
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It could also be your Bluetooth device. try yhe device with other phones and see if the static persists. make sure you test 1 to 3 songs across the devices and make sure the songs are the same.
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It could also be your Bluetooth device. try yhe device with other phones and see if the static persists. make sure you test 1 to 3 songs across the devices and make sure the songs are the same.
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No, it's definitely not that. This is in my car and I just came from the V10 and there were no issues with the V10.
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No, it's definitely not that. This is in my car and I just came from the V10 and there were no issues with the V10.
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I too came from a V10. my V10 had plenty of problems, my Beats Solo 2 wireless would crack a lot, as well as my Jaybirds x2. once I got my G6 the only cracking I got was when I stepped out of rage. anyways I'm just saying to test things out with multiple devices, multiple Bluetooth devices would be ideal as well. don't just quickly assume it's not something. doesn't matter if it's a car or not tech is tech and some of it may be defected.
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I too came from a V10. my V10 had plenty of problems, my Beats Solo 2 wireless would crack a lot, as well as my Jaybirds x2. once I got my G6 the only cracking I got was when I stepped out of rage. anyways I'm just saying to test things out with multiple devices, multiple Bluetooth devices would be ideal as well. don't just quickly assume it's not something. doesn't matter if it's a car or not tech is tech and some of it may be defected.
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I can try other things but so far it does the exact same thing in my car and my wife's car. I am fairly certain it is related to the phone.
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Just tried it with one of my Bluetooth speakers and I get the same issue. It almost seems like the more stuff connected to Bluetooth the worse it is.
So far it seems like it isn't as bad when I am not wearing my smart watch. I might try it with my fit bit disconnected too to test that theory.
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I haven't had any issues with BT on my VS988.
So i just exchanged the phone for a new oneand have the same issue. It is definitely something related to the phoneand how it handles bluetooth because my V10 with the same apps and devices doesn't have this issue.
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I had the same problem and exchanged phones –after adding things Lil by Lil I had the same issue and narrowed it down to my Samsung smart watch - when I disabled the watch or the gear software it would stream fine – after a lil while with phone I'm realizing it is VERY VERY VERY BUGGY and VERY VERY VERY SLOW and Verizon's service is too
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I had the same problem and exchanged phones –after adding things Lil by Lil I had the same issue and narrowed it down to my Samsung smart watch - when I disabled the watch or the gear software it would stream fine – after a lil while with phone I'm realizing it is VERY VERY VERY BUGGY and VERY VERY VERY SLOW and Verizon's service is too
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Yea, it somehow seems related to my watch too (Huawei), but I am not sure if it is the watch or just the fact that it is always using the Bluetooth as well.
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I too came from a V10. my V10 had plenty of problems, my Beats Solo 2 wireless would crack a lot, as well as my Jaybirds x2. once I got my G6 the only cracking I got was when I stepped out of rage. anyways I'm just saying to test things out with multiple devices, multiple Bluetooth devices would be ideal as well. don't just quickly assume it's not something. doesn't matter if it's a car or not tech is tech and some of it may be defected.
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My jaybirds won't stay connected, haven't tested on another phone, but have a ton of other devices and G6 has been solid .. Google search led me to believe it was hardware issue with my out of warranty jaybirds ... I'd get an RMA or new replacement dude
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My jaybirds won't stay connected, haven't tested on another phone, but have a ton of other devices and G6 has been solid .. Google search led me to believe it was hardware issue with my out of warranty jaybirds ... I'd get an RMA or new replacement dude
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yeah my Jaybirds do that too. what I do is ON the G6 I hold volume down and power to get me to that recovery page or what it is called and then all I do is wipe cache, it helps me. not sure if it will help you.
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My jaybirds won't stay connected, haven't tested on another phone, but have a ton of other devices and G6 has been solid .. Google search led me to believe it was hardware issue with my out of warranty jaybirds ... I'd get an RMA or new replacement dude
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This is the second phone that does the exact same thing so I don't think another phone will solve the issue. The only thing I haven't done is a factory reset and install one so at a time.
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This is the second phone that does the exact same thing so I don't think another phone will solve the issue. The only thing I haven't done is a factory reset and install one so at a time.
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That's disheartening, sorry dude..
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That's disheartening, sorry dude..
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It does kinda suck, but I have a feeling it has to do with Android Wear app. So I think at some point I am going to do a factory reset and only install apps that don't use Bluetooth at all and then keep installing one at a time to see if I can narrow it down.
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It does kinda suck, but I have a feeling it has to do with Android Wear app. So I think at some point I am going to do a factory reset and only install apps that don't use Bluetooth at all and then keep installing one at a time to see if I can narrow it down.
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Definitely share your results. I sold my Nexus 6p or I would do some more testing as well.
I'm pretty sure it's a bug with the phone's bluetooth. It happens to me when connected to my Android Wear watch. If I turn off my watch, the crackling stops.
Yea, I am pretty positive it is Android Wear/Smart Watch related. I unpaired my watch from my phone and uninstalled Android Wear and the issue seems gone.
Weird.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's still there, it was better for a while.
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LG & Verizon (SMH)
The Bluetooth is TERIBLE on these phones - The BLE doesn't work and too many devices paired (especially smart watches) messing up streaming something Awful. There are MANY software bugs especially using google music and many other programs/apps - the longer you use the phone to more the bugs will standout, but in LG's defense they have issued a software update, but with Verizon there's Really No Telling when will get it (if we get it)
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The Bluetooth is TERIBLE on these phones - The BLE doesn't work and too many devices paired (especially smart watches) messing up streaming something Awful. There are MANY software bugs especially using google music and many other programs/apps - the longer you use the phone to more the bugs will standout, but in LG's defense they have issued a software update, but with Verizon there's Really No Telling when will get it (if we get it)
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How do you know LG issued an update? What's weird is my old V10 didn't have this issue, I wonder if it is Nougat related.
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