Okay let's get to this clear First of all XDA is successful open community that hides no secrets and doesn't present hoax
(note I won't release names in order of respect)
1 : the member that lately released rooted tot files isn't really the one that made the method he just processed it
2: there is a hidden tool that is really useful and helped him and he got it from someone that's how he worked through it
3 : of course editing some system partitions to add the root scripts such as sudo nautilus commands in Ubuntu .
4: The tool is created in a Chinese website and it is called LG professional tools Usually they were three separate versions.
5: With this tool you can cook everything with KDZ TOT (I mean extract repack edit etc.)
6: isn't it weird to find out the guy who used that method was asking how can i get that tool to use it for own business.
7: That's not all there are also things like Hardware Toolboxes such as Octoplus that support LG and Samsung as well for other GSM purposes.
8: After looking into several posts through that guy by saying "send me the KDZ link and I will add the root to it" I realized that he is friendly and is going to unleash root for all the models but then he started to take a back step in PM by saying my tool doesn't work I have to bypass tot to inject root to it and it's price is high (100USD per file) and my request was to unleash for H960 Int EUR model.
Conclusion : this guy is running into a real business of tot files some of them actually by the help of that tool that isn't his so what I want to say is to save your money and your enthusiasm for the real support that doesn't ask for money but you by yourself will send to him which is called donation or somehow an appreciation for what you did .
thanks >>
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He made a facebook post mentioning the tool costs 2000USD OMG what on earth is that ,even tho it's not his tool!!!
But if he's the only/first one that was able to get his hands on the "tool" and then was also the only/first one to use it to create these files, what's the scandal?
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planetbeen said:
But if he's the only/first one that was able to get his hands on the "tool" and then was also the only/first one to use it to create these files, what's the scandal?
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10
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That's not true he isn't the first one to get his hands on it the creator and some others did as well. it's the matter of how you master it in your own use some prefer it for nasty business some for their own use.
if this tool is leaked there is no way to stop any new LG models from being edited or rooted even if the bootloader is locked the scripts of it some are leaked but missing he's aware of being double crossed by someone
Some of the senior devs are aware of this unicorn or software. The problem is the people that have access to these unicorns but don't want to share.
The fact that he's charging for some tots and not others is not good practice and I understand your frustration. There was a bounty for root and if ppl pay there pledge there isn't a problem with that had he did get us root.
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MysteryEmotionz said:
Some of the senior devs are aware of this unicorn or software. The problem is the people that have access to these unicorns but don't want to share.
The fact that he's charging for some tots and not others is not good practice and I understand your frustration. There was a bounty for root and if ppl pay there pledge there isn't a problem with that had he did get us root.
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That's true until he realized that the bounty number is about hundreds of dollars so that's why its friendly for some variants but even thou that's not my point it's about the price he asks for and even the author that made that tool mentioned to use for own use. and what drives me crazy is that he's not getting to the straight point (I mean by saying some lame excuses )
Sometimes you have to think of it the other way, what will happen if the tools are actually leaked out to everyone of us, and doesn't that allow LG to patch such things up easily and hence providing better security but lose the access of root? I'm not encouraging this type of doing, but at least this puts such things into control and allow us to have root at the same time.
Some people out there are willing to take the risk, spend their money to get the tools to produce for us, and I known people who spend (a lot) just trying to grab such tools and provide root for the community. You may think that they are "earning" from this kind of business, and providing everyone with root. But you need to think about those people willing to risk their money to actually do such things for us and provided us with what we actually wanted in this community. Some of them merely asked to cover up their cost of spending for the TOT/KDZ and providing it for everyone, others are asking for donations so that they could cover up the cost for the tools itself.
Let's think of this as a win/win situation for the community. You get root, the person gets to cover his losses, everyone is happy.
And to be honest, for a junior member, you are complaining too much. You haven't seen the worse of the xda community yet.
Indicious Flow said:
Sometimes you have to think of it the other way, what will happen if the tools are actually leaked out to everyone of us, and doesn't that allow LG to patch such things up easily and hence providing better security but lose the access of root? I'm not encouraging this type of doing, but at least this puts such things into control and allow us to have root at the same time.
Some people out there are willing to take the risk, spend their money to get the tools to produce for us, and I known people who spend (a lot) just trying to grab such tools and provide root for the community. You may think that they are "earning" from this kind of business, and providing everyone with root. But you need to think about those people willing to risk their money to actually do such things for us and provided us with what we actually wanted in this community. Some of them merely asked to cover up their cost of spending for the TOT/KDZ and providing it for everyone, others are asking for donations so that they could cover up the cost for the tools itself.
Let's think of this as a win/win situation for the community. You get root, the person gets to cover his losses, everyone is happy.
And to be honest, for a junior member, you are complaining too much. You haven't seen the worse of the xda community yet.
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That doesn't make sense because If LG was aware of security concerns they could've patched security into the download mode in order to accept only official updates from it's servers and that's it , Like Samsung ODIN method the csc files are extracted and repacked easily even for custom roms to be used .
he did not spent money on that tool as much as he gained from the back of it , I mean You are exageratting alot this tool is not a hack and it is a generator there isn't a counter for it to produce for limited time and if you were right then LG kdz extractor should've not been leaked
That's how the meaning of community is, unless you are talking about forum ouh and by the way the word junior member is just to pretend to be noob but you don't know what's behind that profile
Cheers
octavius99 said:
That doesn't make sense because If LG was aware of security concerns they could've patched security into the download mode in order to accept only official updates from it's servers and that's it , Like Samsung ODIN method the csc files are extracted and repacked easily even for custom roms to be used .
he did not spent money on that tool as much as he gained from the back of it , I mean You are exageratting alot this tool is not a hack and it is a generator there isn't a counter for it to produce for limited time and if you were right then LG kdz extractor should've not been leaked
That's how the meaning of community is, unless you are talking about forum ouh and by the way the word junior member is just to pretend to be noob but you don't know what's behind that profile
Cheers
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I have this tool.
i42o said:
I have this tool.
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Well that's great Now I have an advice for you
If you know how to use this tool ..and you want to get credits but even not requested donations then wee all will be glad
If you don't know how to use it then.. then I know if you want me to use it and give you the link of tot uploads to be under your credits you are welcome as well you can pm me if you need
that's how we make community we are not competitors for money we are always available for help as members.
or else you can use it for your own use like the others and zip it then no need for this comment and you can just ignore it.
octavius99 said:
That's true until he realized that the bounty number is about hundreds of dollars so that's why its friendly for some variants but even thou that's not my point it's about the price he asks for and even the author that made that tool mentioned to use for own use. and what drives me crazy is that he's not getting to the straight point (I mean by saying some lame excuses )
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To me, all of what you're discussing is mainly speculation. Why and how he did what he did, is pretty much irrelevant. He was able to provide a viable root solution for a number of devices. Regardless of whether the "tool" used was widely distributed or not, he provided the solution. Unless he broke some of XDA's rules, there really isn't much to talk about. And unfortunately if something about it drives you crazy, that's kind of a personal issue.
octavius99 said:
Well that's great Now I have an advice for you
If you know how to use this tool ..and you want to get credits but even not requested donations then wee all will be glad
If you don't know how to use it then.. then I know if you want me to use it and give you the link of tot uploads to be under your credits you are welcome as well you can pm me if you need
that's how we make community we are not competitors for money we are always available for help as members.
or else you can use it for your own use like the others and zip it then no need for this comment and you can just ignore it.
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It's on my work PC at an Inglewood office. I'll be there next week. Aye and I was probably the first to deal with a bricked V10 . Wasn't expecting anything in return as I too believe the community is a movement and personally believe that anyone making profit off of code here in the forums should not be here. Your work is appreciated, but i come from a time when forums was an exciting hobby everyone would share their ideas through. Aye But that's my opinion. I joined XDA and loved it from jump . The system pull that I posted was extracted via the LG program. It was already there, and was used to build the rooted tot. Just saved em a lil time. I had already spoken with jcase about building a tot off of it and confirmed that the data was there but building it not at 100% LG tot authenticity he would not proceed as it could lead to bricked devices. It could have been done but wasn't.
I'll post link when it's up.
kangi26 said:
To me, all of what you're discussing is mainly speculation. Why and how he did what he did, is pretty much irrelevant. He was able to provide a viable root solution for a number of devices. Regardless of whether the "tool" used was widely distributed or not, he provided the solution. Unless he broke some of XDA's rules, there really isn't much to talk about. And unfortunately if something about it drives you crazy, that's kind of a personal issue.
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First of all the thread is talking about exploitation if people got the method for their variants for free and the other variants haven't
And believe that mentioning I can give you the file for 100USD in aPM is called a trade and against XDA rules I believe that all the moderators know about that
And by the way I don't find it a personal issue as long as others as well having the same variants and expecting it to be released and it hasn't so it's a matter of fair for free of some variants and others should pay . so please cool it down
i42o said:
It's on my work PC at an Inglewood office. I'll be there next week. Aye and I was probably the first to deal with a bricked V10 . Wasn't expecting anything in return as I too believe the community is a movement and personally believe that anyone making profit off of code here in the forums should not be here. Your work is appreciated, but i come from a time when forums was an exciting hobby everyone would share their ideas through. Aye But that's my opinion. I joined XDA and loved it from jump . The system pull that I posted was extracted via the LG program. It was already there, and was used to build the rooted tot. Just saved em a lil time. I had already spoken with jcase about building a tot off of it and confirmed that the data was there but building it not at 100% LG tot authenticity he would not proceed as it could lead to bricked devices. It could have been done but wasn't.
I'll post link when it's up.
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You are the guy who deserve more than a thumbup and appreciation we we will wait for you and keep in mind that what you are posting is a method judging fair to everyone.
And if you need any help, test i'm approachable and responsive.
octavius99 said:
First of all the thread is talking about exploitation if people got the method for their variants for free and the other variants haven't
And believe that mentioning I can give you the file for 100USD in aPM is called a trade and against XDA rules I believe that all the moderators know about that
And by the way I don't find it a personal issue as long as others as well having the same variants and expecting it to be released and it hasn't so it's a matter of fair for free of some variants and others should pay . so please cool it down
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If there is something that's happening and you think that is against XDA rules, report it directly to the Moderator Team. The Moderators will fully look into and investigate, that's what they do. Threads can become very out of control otherwise.
I meant to say that if you were being driven crazy due to someone not communicating in a way that worked well for you, that is a personal thing. You're more than likely going to change that, and will just have to "deal with it"
kangi26 said:
If there is something that's happening and you think that is against XDA rules, report it directly to the Moderator Team. The Moderators will fully look into and investigate, that's what they do. Threads can become very out of control otherwise.
I meant to say that if you were being driven crazy due to someone not communicating in a way that worked well for you, that is a personal thing. You're more than likely going to change that, and will just have to "deal with it"
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How many times should I tell you that it is not personal it's driving me crazy because he said in front of everyone and in PM that send him the virgin file and he will add the root to it
And then he suddenly changed his mind so I see that anyone can get angry because he didn't get straight to the point
i hope you understand how members are feeling their variant is not chosen from the free one's and sitting for a solution .
And by the way I didn't want to report so that it won't go big
I was showing how this business was working for evryone and rising up hidden star ... If you are interested Sir in this thread then support us if you can but if you are here to judge me in a wrong point of view then just ignore the thread because i'm discussing it seriously.
i42o said:
I have this tool.
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Would you share? I've been trying to get my hands on this tool for quite some time now.
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Does anyone else have that tool and would like to share it
it would be great if anyone can share this tool.
Thread updated : he is selling the tool with an impossible number of money it's not worth at all 2000USD
KAKA you want said me scam you?
i sell file bypass FRP all v10 for telephone repair man one file 100usd, then tool sell for telephone repair man..
Full tot you want free, I happy i free in xda. Then you said i copy tool it
See video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aip3aXJxVLI
MAke dz I can make DZ file then complete KDZ file. i think you close topic now. I can sell or free file if i want . YOu not said me scam:.
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All file full H900 H901 I public free in xda but i need test first from vietnam, Well done i pubic free member xda only h900 then h901
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Even tho I don't have the device and there is not a recovery yet, I am already working hard on a rom for all of you Fascinate people :] Just check back on this post every so often for the release. I will probably release it when Koush releases his recovery for the Fascinate. Pretty much what this is going to do is de-bloat your phone, fully deodex it and other little things here and there. If you want more roms like this for the Fascinate please donate and buy me one here.
Check back here for updates :]
Very cool! Were your other roms froyo?
I have no problem donating to you. I'm just waiting for a recovery to come along first.
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So this rom wont have froyo?
steeeler said:
Very cool! Were your other roms froyo?
I have no problem donating to you. I'm just waiting for a recovery to come along first.
Sent while on the go using Tapatalk.
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Yeah my other roms were froyo. This wont be froyo yet, I am just going to play around with the system folder for the first 2 releases. Then comes the fun :]
Pretty much a second post of your other "please give me money"... Great that you want to develop a ROM but I am sure I'm not the only one to think you are really just fishing for some money (unlike a lot of other ROM developers who do GREAT work without even asking for a dime)
Isn't the whole "pay me now for work later" something we all learned at a young age never worked out well?
Matt, if you want to do something useful, besides shuffle some icons around and rename system files, come help work out the kernel / source compilation issue(s). Once that's done we'll still have to develop the recovery.
There's no point even discussing custom roms without a custom recovery.
Until then, this is like paying full price for a pre-order for a device that hasn't even been announced.
IMO, this thread should be locked at this point.
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Pretty much a second post of your other "please give me money"... Great that you want to develop a ROM but I am sure I'm not the only one to think you are really just fishing for some money (unlike a lot of other ROM developers who do GREAT work without even asking for a dime)
Isn't the whole "pay me now for work later" something we all learned at a young age never worked out well?
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God damn, I'm not fishing for money. What the hell. Wow....I am trying to work on a rom for when the damn recovery comes out and people are giving me ****? I am trying to help what the hell. Wow.
namebrandon said:
Matt, if you want to do something useful, besides shuffle some icons around and rename system files, come help work out the kernel / source compilation issue(s). Once that's done we'll still have to develop the recovery.
There's no point even discussing custom roms without a custom recovery.
Until then, this is like paying full price for a pre-order for a device that hasn't even been announced.
IMO, this thread should be locked at this point.
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Actually I do a lot more than that so dont be a ass. I am actually going to work on the kernel **** -_- Damn.
wstcoaster07 said:
Pretty much a second post of your other "please give me money"... Great that you want to develop a ROM but I am sure I'm not the only one to think you are really just fishing for some money (unlike a lot of other ROM developers who do GREAT work without even asking for a dime)
Isn't the whole "pay me now for work later" something we all learned at a young age never worked out well?
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Have you even seen his past work? Obviously you haven't, because if you had, you would know Matt is sure to do some great work. It's pretty hard to develop a ROM for a phone he doesn't have though, hence, he's asking for donations.
If you don't have the means to donate that's not a problem - no one is expecting you to of course, but don't give a developer **** because he wants to make this phone better.
Matt4542 said:
Actually I do a lot more than that so dont be a ass. I am actually going to work on the kernel **** -_- Damn.
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I agree cut the man some slack im sure he does great work and he said he would release it AFTER a custom recovery is out. Keep doing what you're doing dont let what some people are saying bother you.
Pandemic187 said:
Have you even seen his past work? Obviously you haven't, because if you had, you would know Matt is sure to do some great work. It's pretty hard to develop a ROM for a phone he doesn't have though, hence, he's asking for donations.
If you don't have the means to donate that's not a problem - no one is expecting you to of course, but don't give a developer **** because he wants to make this phone better.
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I did not mean for this and the other thread to turn into a flame war. I just know that in the android community, a lot of users have been burned by donating to "devs" (chefs) and then the "dev" bails.
The work he has done on the Droid 2 does seem to be good for that phone, and thats what that phone needs. The fascinate though, is a different beast. More power to him if he wants to help. But begging for people to help him buy a phone before we even have a means to install his roms leaves a cheap taste in my mouth.
I want to thank any dev that has interest in developing / cooking up roms for the phone, as people will enjoy their phone more. I just ask that said devs wait for people to finish developing a simple and safe way to install the rom. I released a rom for the fascinate last week that had most of the bloatware removed, but the only way to flash it is by odin, not a preferred / safe way to flash the rom.
Just hold your horses. we will have a recovery soon, and like i said in the other thread, then you can do what you want with your money. But i assure you, we will have a lot in store for the users once that hurdle is passed.
Umm... get donations from the d1 and d2 work that you've already done, buy a Fascinate, create ROMs for that, and THEN (if it's a halfway decent job) people will donate without you even needing to ask them. Why ask people to pay for something that you haven't even done yet but then reassure them it'll happen because of your other work? If what you did with the d1/2 is good then shouldn't you be able to get donations from that? I'm not accusing you of trying to scam people I'm just telling you what seems to make the most sense.
I agree with everyone else why not use the donations from your other devices to get the Fascinate then when you make a rom that is as amazing as you say people will donate and you will come out on top. Yes I have seen your work as I have had several droids and my wife has a droid2. Have you seen Cyanogen's work? Or how about the other cooks? Why should we buy you a phone and not them? I have donated to lots of cooks but never before a product was available and not even a promise of first beta tests or anything, no deadline? Come on, man! Like the other member said would you pay mercedes (we have all seen there work ) money to build a factory on the promise that when it is done being built they will give you a car that may or may not be to your liking. I have to say your other roms werent my taste but they were very good. Having said that I am looking forward to donating once roms are available, nothing personal I have nothing against your screen name which is really all I see it just has to do with my own preference.
On another note I remember when this actually resembled an open source community (i.e. the linux community) I googled your name and every single forum there is something with you asking for donations, I understand you have to call them donations because of the license but lets face it you are selling products. Thats not really what opensource is about.
Sorry for the rant everyone, no hard feelings
erasmogjr said:
I agree with everyone else why not use the donations from your other devices to get the Fascinate then when you make a rom that is as amazing as you say people will donate and you will come out on top. Yes I have seen your work as I have had several droids and my wife has a droid2. Have you seen Cyanogen's work? Or how about the other cooks? Why should we buy you a phone and not them? I have donated to lots of cooks but never before a product was available and not even a promise of first beta tests or anything, no deadline? Come on, man! Like the other member said would you pay mercedes (we have all seen there work ) money to build a factory on the promise that when it is done being built they will give you a car that may or may not be to your liking. I have to say your other roms werent my taste but they were very good. Having said that I am looking forward to donating once roms are available, nothing personal I have nothing against your screen name which is really all I see it just has to do with my own preference.
On another note I remember when this actually resembled an open source community (i.e. the linux community) I googled your name and every single forum there is something with you asking for donations, I understand you have to call them donations because of the license but lets face it you are selling products. Thats not really what opensource is about.
Sorry for the rant everyone, no hard feelings
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Are you serious? I only started asking for donations like a week or two ago and I have been developing roms for a few months.
I'm just excited we're close to seeing some dev work. I wholeheartedly believe in donation as a support system for development. I do not however donate to theory.
I will be throwing some paypal love once I see some good dev work on here.
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Are you serious? I only started asking for donations like a week or two ago and I have been developing roms for a few months.
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Matt, Don't take this the wrong way. I do think you're a good and honest developer based on comments i've read on the ROM you've done on Droid. I've been around this forum for a long time and have given my hard earned cash to many worthy developers and others. Donations typically are to support a website, finance a developer for his time, and/or buy hardware needed, etc... This forum has changed a bit in the last decade and some here may not understand how this all works. We do this as either an investment or a reward. Reputation is everything though. And that is why some here are hammering you.
Since you're new to us, if you don't mind, introduce yourself, tell us your skillsets, tell us what you bring to the table? Alot of us are tech heads and would appreciate that.
This website changed once Android became popular. The WinMo community was smaller and calmer. Android has blown everything up.
orateam said:
Matt, Don't take this the wrong way. I do think you're a good and honest developer based on comments i've read on the ROM you've done on Droid. I've been around this forum for a long time and have given my hard earned cash to many worthy developers and others. Donations typically are to support a website, finance a developer for his time, and/or buy hardware needed, etc... This forum has changed a bit in the last decade and some here may not understand how this all works. We do this as either an investment or a reward. Reputation is everything though. And that is why some here are hammering you.
Since you're new to us, if you don't mind, introduce yourself, tell us your skillsets, tell us what you bring to the table? Alot of us are tech heads and would appreciate that.
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This website changed once Android became popular. The WinMo community was smaller and calmer. Android has blown everything up.
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eh, i remember a lot of drama going on in the CDMA forums all the time. We had chefs that would rip off of other chefs and claim it as their own just to get more donations / money for their "work"
I have never asked for donations, as the work i do is to better my own phone so why not help everyone else? I just started posting a link to make a donation to world vision in my new posts, because if people are willing to donate, why not have them donate to a great cause?
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I have never asked for donations, as the work i do is to better my own phone so why not help everyone else? I just started posting a link to make a donation to world vision in my new posts, because if people are willing to donate, why not have them donate to a great cause?
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The good ol pocket PC days. Trying to make WinMo 5 act like a reasonable touchscreen interface. I remember using the kitchens to experiment and make my own custom ROM's. We all made windows CE registry tweaks to do all kinds of things. Windows was easier to program for. I had many custom programs that i openly shared directly with users (M$ didn't like us sharing). I hope Android users get that this is simply a labor of love for us hobbyists. If i wanted a phone i wouldn't customize much but had a lot of features, i'd stay with the iPhone. I've been playing with APPDeveloper to get my feet wet, and soon will have some custom programs myself once i get off it and transfer to eclipse coding.
development fascinate
Matt..
How much will it take for you to get a phone to use for development? now that we have a recovery available......
Paint Joy - Movie Your Drawing v1.7.2 (freeware)
Requirements: Android
Overview: Paint drawing by finger with many brushes. Play back drawing like a movie with "MOVIE" mode, way to share your fun with others.
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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More Info:
Code:
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.bejoy.minipaint/
Download Instructions:
http://hotfile.com/dl/81306156/fab6010/Paint_Joy_1.7.2.apk.html
Mirror:
http://www.filesonic.com/file/30617517/
http://depositfiles.com/files/61mwluczb
http://uploading.com/files/555b1419/Paint_Joy_1.7.2.apk/
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X1MVYFXU
http://www.2shared.com/file/TZ61doTG/Paint_Joy_172.html
NICE!
hey thanks downloading right now.
looks good it's just like facebook's graffiti
This is on the market. My daughter has been using it on our old Eris. Why post it here?
ahorriblemess said:
This is on the market. My daughter has been using it on our old Eris. Why post it here?
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Why not? This is the app section, where the community is welcome to share, discuss, and post apps of their likings on or off market so long that its not warez.
Is that a problem for you? I mean really, just because it's old to you doesn't mean its not new to someone else, and some people search the internet before searching the market for new and cool apps.
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Why not? This is the app section, where the community is welcome to share, discuss, and post apps of their likings on or off market so long that its not warez.
Is that a problem for you? I mean really, just because it's old to you doesn't mean its not new to someone else, and some people search the internet before searching the market for new and cool apps.
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1: You read my post to yourself in a tone that I wasn't using. That's understandable, I didn't put a little emoticon at the end. It's impossible to translate tone over text.
2: Some people might feel uncomfortable side loading apps from unknown sources. Rather than posting the QR code so people could view the application's security access, you posted mirrors. It's not entirely irrational for someone to question whether or not the application has been modified to allow malicious activity. I see that you posted a link to another page that has the QR code, but wouldn't it have been enough to post just the QR without numerous mirrors?
If you're the developer or are affiliated with Bejoy Mobile, then it would make a lot more sense. Their site seems to be down.
Here is the QR code for Paintjoy:
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1: You read my post to yourself in a tone that I wasn't using. That's understandable, I didn't put a little emoticon at the end. It's impossible to translate tone over text.
2: Some people might feel uncomfortable side loading apps from unknown sources. Rather than posting the QR code so people could view the application's security access, you posted mirrors. It's not entirely irrational for someone to question whether or not the application has been modified to allow malicious activity. I see that you posted a link to another page that has the QR code, but wouldn't it have been enough to post just the QR without numerous mirrors?
If you're the developer or are affiliated with Bejoy Mobile, then it would make a lot more sense. Their site seems to be down.
Here is the QR code for Paintjoy:
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QR codes can be easier I suppose. But don't they require camera? Barcode scanner? I know people who's camera don't work, and some people, like my wife, don't know anything about apps like barcode scanner and wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it. Almost everyone, is familiar with links and mirrors, and as anything else you download from the internet...you download at your own risk. So I'm not obligated to edit my postings according to personal security of peace in mind to the anonymous viewers as to whether or the not the app has been modified in any malicious way.
As far as your posting, I did not read it in any type of tone at all, You asked a question & I answered. Simple as that. Maybe my answer carried a tone that disturbed you, if so, I apoligize...heres a few smiley's to lighten the mood--
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QR codes can be easier I suppose. But don't they require camera? Barcode scanner? I know people who's camera don't work, and some people, like my wife, don't know anything about apps like barcode scanner and wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it. Almost everyone, is familiar with links and mirrors, and as anything else you download from the internet...you download at your own risk. So I'm not obligated to edit my postings according to personal security of peace in mind to the anonymous viewers as to whether or the not the app has been modified in any malicious way.
As far as your posting, I did not read it any type of tone at all, You asked a question I answered. Simple as that. Maybe my answer carried a tone that disturbed you, if so, I apoligize...heres a few smiley's to lighten the mood--
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It was the "" that implied that you were being defensive.
You can't say that "almost everyone" is familiar with links and mirrors (or installing non-market apps for that matter. If they're on AT&T, they can't do that unless they root their phone or use ADB).
When I bought a Vibrant at the T-Mobile store, it came with a little pamphlet suggesting applications, one of them was the barcode scanner. It explained what it was for and how to use it. A customer can always call or visit the store where they purchased their phone to ask questions like, "I saw a cool paint program on a discussion forum with a funny little code. How do I install that?"
But - and again this is an assumption, much like the one you made about almost everyone being familiar with download mirrors - if they're perusing a developer's forum, there's a good chance they at least know what a QR code is.
I would imagine that the average user would feel more comfortable seeing the application in the Android Market along with all the other ones, with all of the application's security access explained to them. Do you really believe there are people who wouldn't question something on a random download site plastered with ads and other visual spam?
Also, why would you flat-out refuse to edit your post to make people feel safer about downloading an application that you wanted to share? Ignoring the fact that I never even suggested that you edit your post (that's why I posted the QR code myself) it's just weird that you wouldn't.
ahorriblemess ....stop trolling this thread dude.
If you like the app, or are happy the OP mentioned it as being cool...stay and enjoy.
If not, leave a reply that you already have it or something and leave it at that.
Good God.
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It was the "" that implied that you were being defensive.
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Rolling eyes is not defensive...its annoyed. Which you are doing right now..annoying me
You can't say that "almost everyone" is familiar with links and mirrors (or installing non-market apps for that matter. If they're on AT&T, they can't do that unless they root their phone or use ADB).
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Keyword "ALMOST".. I never said everyone... I said "ALMOST" which means the percentage of those that do is higher than the percentage of those that don't.
When I bought a Vibrant at the T-Mobile store, it came with a little pamphlet suggesting applications, one of them was the barcode scanner. It explained what it was for and how to use it. A customer can always call or visit the store where they purchased their phone to ask questions like, "I saw a cool paint program on a discussion forum with a funny little code. How do I install that?"
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YAAY for you...you actually read the book. Dude, all my life, every cell phone I ever owned...I NEVER read the book! LMAO
But - and again this is an assumption, much like the one you made about almost everyone being familiar with download mirrors - if they're perusing a developer's forum, there's a good chance they at least know what a QR code is.
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Assumption it may be....isn't that why a link for the QR code is also in my OP? DUH? just cus I didn't put the image of it on the screen you're having a big cow, lol
I would imagine that the average user would feel more comfortable seeing the application in the Android Market along with all the other ones, with all of the application's security access explained to them. Do you really believe there are people who wouldn't question something on a random download site plastered with ads and other visual spam?
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Guess what dude Im the average user, I feel comfortable both ways. By the way, in settings...on your phone...yeah, when you put a check box in "Unknown sources" You (the user) agree to everything that happens from there. Need I say more?
Also, why would you flat-out refuse to edit your post to make people feel safer about downloading an application that you wanted to share? Ignoring the fact that I never even suggested that you edit your post (that's why I posted the QR code myself) it's just weird that you wouldn't.
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Hmmm...Because its my post. And you and anyone else that don't feel "safe" about it, can easily take your little mouse and scroll away!
Anything else?
@horrorwolf: I'm not trolling. If I was trolling, I would be purposely trying to get a rise out of people by being offensive or rude. I'm merely suggesting that there are better, safer, and more reliable ways to refer an application to the public.
The manner of "Klyentel"'s responses are just kind of stupid. It's weird that he would be so uppity about this. Even in his last post, he's arguing with me. If he developed an application and wanted it on the market, he would have to outline the application's security access. If he didn't, or lied about it, it would be taken down. I just don't understand why someone would go through the trouble of uploading a market app to several random mirrors and then posting them here unless they modified it in some way (either with different icons, widgets, or with malicious script)
@Klyentel: No, nothing else from me. Clearly, you are infallible. Enjoy going through life a self-absorbed jackass.
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It was the "" that implied that you were being defensive.
You can't say that "almost everyone" is familiar with links and mirrors (or installing non-market apps for that matter. If they're on AT&T, they can't do that unless they root their phone or use ADB).
When I bought a Vibrant at the T-Mobile store, it came with a little pamphlet suggesting applications, one of them was the barcode scanner. It explained what it was for and how to use it. A customer can always call or visit the store where they purchased their phone to ask questions like, "I saw a cool paint program on a discussion forum with a funny little code. How do I install that?"
But - and again this is an assumption, much like the one you made about almost everyone being familiar with download mirrors - if they're perusing a developer's forum, there's a good chance they at least know what a QR code is.
I would imagine that the average user would feel more comfortable seeing the application in the Android Market along with all the other ones, with all of the application's security access explained to them. Do you really believe there are people who wouldn't question something on a random download site plastered with ads and other visual spam?
Also, why would you flat-out refuse to edit your post to make people feel safer about downloading an application that you wanted to share? Ignoring the fact that I never even suggested that you edit your post (that's why I posted the QR code myself) it's just weird that you wouldn't.
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@horrorwolf: I'm not trolling. If I was trolling, I would be purposely trying to get a rise out of people by being offensive or rude. I'm merely suggesting that there are better, safer, and more reliable ways to refer an application to the public.
The manner of "Klyentel"'s responses are just kind of stupid. It's weird that he would be so uppity about this. Even in his last post, he's arguing with me. If he developed an application and wanted it on the market, he would have to outline the application's security access. If he didn't, or lied about it, it would be taken down. I just don't understand why someone would go through the trouble of uploading a market app to several random mirrors and then posting them here unless they modified it in some way (either with different icons, widgets, or with malicious script)
@Klyentel: No, nothing else from me. Clearly, you are infallible. Enjoy going through life a self-absorbed jackass.
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No need for the name calling stranger. If thats what you wanted to know all you had to do was ask:
I didn't upload the app first of all some one else did, I don't host apps, and I don't use any of those crappy mirrors, I have my own mirror site, check my sig. I just simply re-posted these mirrors from somewhere else, for others to use.
Secondly, the benefit is the user can have a copy of the apk on their computer to use for their own reasons, or share with someone else for that matter.
This is my topic, my thread. So of course I will respond to every thing you say. Like it or not. Over and out.
no longer available on market, anybody know how and why?
Really?? That's how you get your first post??
If you really want the app, dl it from op.
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lol @ last post before noob November 2010
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Right.....bumping threads posting BS.......lol
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Wow can't believe this thread is still alive, I started this topic two years ago and people still replying lol, I don't even have a vibrant anymore.
Hi everyone. George Hotz is currently being sued by Sony for cracking the PS3, he has opened a blog asking for help and support from people to help him in the dispute with Sony, here is his blog: http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/ and site http://geohot.com/
Now he announced live on tv and all over the media that he will be the first person to crack the SE Xperia Play when it comes out, now the idea is to start this bounty thread and help GeoHot with his dispute in return of help with cracking the bootloader in our x10's. I beleive that all Xperia devices are locked the same way and thus cracking the x10 will also help GeoHot cracking the Play in the future. But we need to approach George in the appropriate manner and ask for help that is why i am starting this thread. This will help us also for all next models like the Arc, Play, Pro, Neo etc. So lets gather some donations and then approach George asking for help.
So please all people that are willing to donate just post the amount in red so it can be easily seen to better update the total amount.
I will donate $20 CDN
Total:
there is already a bootloader cracking bounty thread.. why not just tally that up yourself instead of starting a new thread and expecting everyone to post again...
Im sorry if i have offended you..your post sounds rude. I know there is a bounty thread and that is old maybe half the people are not here anymore, also i did not start the thread and i cannot edit it, this is to help Geohot and him to help us. Like i said we need a solid basis and support, i cant just show him the old thread where it mentions nothing about him and expect him to help. If the OP of the thread wants to do that ok i have no problem with that.
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there is already a bootloader cracking bounty thread.. why not just tally that up yourself instead of starting a new thread and expecting everyone to post again...
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This is Different, learn to read ffs!
I'm not rich at the moment but $30USD I can support with.
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I'll take on the couting up amounts..
USD AMOUNT
70$
GBP AMOUNT (based on start of week x-rate - indicative only)
£32.15
EUR AMOUNT (based on start of week x-rate - indicative only)
51.47EUR
I'll donate a percentage of the final total, come the end of February.
I'll get in contact with GEOHOT via the methods I have at the moment, will let you know what he says he usually gets back to me quite quick.
I fail to see how this is any different?
A) This thread doesn't belong in Android Development.
B) This isn't any different than the other thread. Both threads are asking for money to give to someone to crack the bootloader. If Geohot wants to crack the X10 and if ever does, then I'm sure the money in the other thread would go to him.
C) The other thread is *only* 2 weeks old
D) This may all be a bit of 'negotiating' by Geohot. ie. Throw out the ridiculous lawsuit and I'll agree not to crack your SE bootloader. If not, I'll continue.
E) I don't think anyone is being rude but it's really a PITA (not the delicious kind) to come in the Development forum and see donation threads repeated ad naseum. He was simply stating facts.
Have anyone of you wrote him?
Sure it would be great if he want to helps us, but i don't think so
But you can ask him, for sure i will provide the informations that i have about our phones and i think the others won't make secrets too.
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Bin4ry
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But you can ask him, for sure i will provide the informations that i have about our phones and i think the others won't make secrets too.
Regards
Bin4ry
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Bin4ry you have an awesome attitude... there are some really negative people on this board, but you're helpful and friendly. Just want to say you're appreciated on here. Cheers dude.
Bin4ry said:
Have anyone of you wrote him?
Sure it would be great if he want to helps us, but i don't think so
But you can ask him, for sure i will provide the informations that i have about our phones and i think the others won't make secrets too.
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Hi Bin4ry this is why I started this thread to have some basis when we contact him and to show him that this is for him and that people are willing to support him in return of help with the bootloader cracking. Thank you for your help as the other person said you are really appreciated here and we could be where were at if it wasn't for you and the other devs.
People please stop complaining about the thread. If mods feel this should be moved or closed they can do so. I just believe we can make something out of this. So please if you want to help just post the amount or how you plan to help. Anyone that doesn't agree with the thread please don't post and start arguments., after all this is for all of us.
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Why don't you contact him first get a figure or an agreement go help then get donations. At the minute it could all be a waste of time. Contact him first see what he says
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excellent initiative
very good initiative here, hopefully our 'bounty' can cover some of the legal costs and help out a good Samaritan like ge0hot. Power to the people!
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wtf are people talking about!
Geohot is just a glorified hacker who's a media whore. He didnt crack the ps3, Fail0verflow did and they didnt release the private keys, geohot did, all he did was make piracy an option for ps3 owners and cause honest consumers grief or at least he will do. Also he is just in it to get publicity as he thinks that some big company will hire him. Any good company will see through his stupidity. Sorry i just really dont like Geohot... I think the SG playstation podcast explains it pretty well.
I doubt he'll do it, when he tried to hack the ps3 before he failed and when others analysed his work it seemed like a very stupid way to do it.
He hasnt had that much experiance with android/mobile devices like j and z and all the other brilliant devs around here. He's not as great as you might think, he's just an average hacker with a big ego and a lot of publicity.
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Why don't you contact him first get a figure or an agreement go help then get donations. At the minute it could all be a waste of time. Contact him first see what he says
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Like I said I think we need basis (something we can show) to contact him and ask for help thus the thread... to show effort. Anyway since he already responded we can maybe offer to help pay for his x10 you guys decide.
To the person above.. he might be a lot of things but he did hack the iPhone and I think he is a good hacker despite ego media etc.. we need help with the bootloader and we got nothing to loose. So don't start arguments this is pointless like I said... if you don't like the idea don't post.
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To the person above.. he might be a lot of things but he did hack the iPhone and I think he is a good hacker despite ego media etc.. we need help with the bootloader and we got nothing to loose. So don't start arguments this is pointless like I said... if you don't like the idea don't post.
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i suppose, its just i dont trust him. I have a feeling he'll take all the credit when theres a 65+ page thread documenting various devs attempts at hacking the bootloader. Also i just feel like people praise him a bit too much so it annoys me.
I'll give him the sorta benifit of the doubt and hope that he actually does make some more progress with hacking the bootloader.
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Like I said I think we need basis (something we can show) to contact him and ask for help thus the thread... to show effort. Anyway since he already responded we can maybe offer to help pay for his x10 you guys decide.
To the person above.. he might be a lot of things but he did hack the iPhone and I think he is a good hacker despite ego media etc.. we need help with the bootloader and we got nothing to loose. So don't start arguments this is pointless like I said... if you don't like the idea don't post.
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Don't you think that he has enough money from donations he already received.
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i suppose, its just i dont trust him. I have a feeling he'll take all the credit when theres a 65+ page thread documenting various devs attempts at hacking the bootloader. Also i just feel like people praise him a bit too much so it annoys me.
I'll give him the sorta benifit of the doubt and hope that he actually does make some more progress with hacking the bootloader.
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I think the same way but still there is a big chance also to your previous post as far as I know ios and android are both Linux based but I also don't think bootloadr has anything to do with OS.
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Don't you think that he has enough money from donations he already received.
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This is what I am talking about... he might be a millionaire or have tons of donations it doesn't matter.. what matters is our effort and what we have to offer and show that we are a strong community that needs help.
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Lol.. i was banned from the SE forums.
For pointing out that the new range of phones don't meet standards.
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So sad to what this forum has become. This used to be where everyone posted their work sharing or not, so others could benefit from it....closed or enclosed. A place to make our machines the best they can be, to the point where if you mentioned this name or that name or mention this mod or that mod you will get banned. Simply terrible!!!! Now if you read my posts and see I hardly say anything and ive been here for a while. I've gotten to the point that this site is not much fun anymore. Example.... If a bunch of people want to post there home screens on a dev page, let them post it. It's tribute to the dev and no harm is done. Plus others can learn by actually learn by seeing there home screens. I'm just trying to bring back the actualization why we are all here in the first place....to learn... To contribute... To benefit, and make our pieces of machinery the best they cab be.
So in all, this community needs to be best and a top notch better then the rest. Keep pushing mods away and we will become second to none. I got enough off my chest. Good night...... Good fight.
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I agree it's sad we have to watch what we say and can't share all of our work because of petty drama. But it is what it is. Kinda feels like the Apple/Google patent trolling. Just wish people would be mature and let better things improve our experience for everyone, but I know that's a utopia and won't happen. I also know there's more to it than that. I don't want to add fuel... But yes, I do wish that whole thing played out differently.
But I don't think home screen posts should flood a dev thread. It's annoying as it is having to sift through dozens of the same questions that are answered in the op. When I look at a rom or kernel or mod thread, I want to know the progress, the bugs, user experiences, and the direction of development. Not how people are laying out their widgets and apps. Not that so and so is drunk and wants to say what's up, although sometimes those can be entertaining. Not little chit chat of members catching up because they hadn't talked in a while. It's going to happen regardless of what I want... But I can dream. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting these things be prohibited... Just sharing my views on the matter.
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Just don't contribute here, simple as that.
There are other places with a lot of people you already know.
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
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What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Just wanted to thank you for this explaination of why they are considered "warez" on XDA. It's not because they are actually "warez" or illegal as some seem unwilling to stop publically claiming, but rather because XDA and he have mutually decided that they are not for XDA. Altough I don't understand why if something is found elsewhere that works for some it cannot be discussed. I understand not linking, but discussing. Altough, I guess it just leads to flame wars and is best not talked about at all. Thanks pstevep!
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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It's not illegal. The things you mentioned are not illegal.
Yeah without all the drama here I've become bored with this place.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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Man...there is no LAW that says that rooting your phone or using wireless tether is against the law. GPL is based on copyright law so it is a law that has to be followed.
Rooting your phone and using wireless tether might be against your contract with your carrier but there is NO LAW that says you cannot do it.
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what is the point of flaming mods for doing what they need to do to keep order?
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I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
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informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
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What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
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informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
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That almost made a point.
Except.
It states that it's warez, which is slang (as notated in your definition by "informal"). And in this instance means not allowed on this site.
Really? You don't want to argue semantics with me, it's not worth it to either of us.
This site is fine. It's the users ruining it. Not reading rules, not abiding by them or arguing them in inappropriate ways (this thread for example) . I've been to plenty of sub forums in this site where things are fine.
I think everyone is expecting this to be picture perfect when it never will be. There will always be someone doing something they shouldn't and whether people do things they should or should not do in response to it determines how these forums are viewed. :beer:
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I really hate to jump into this topic as I have been trying really hard to ignore it but it just keeps popping up. So here is my 2 cents.
XDA-Developers is a PRIVATELY OWNED Site. The rules they have or want to impose on people that use this site are up to them. When they make a decision to enforce a rule, good or bad, It stands.
From all my years of browsing forums, One thing stands out among all comunities.
That people think this little corner of the internet is a Democracy.
It is in fact not, It is more of an Autocracy.
To all you homeowners out there or people that can relate to owning property or personal space, How would you feel if someone marched onto your property and tried to tell you what to do, how to do it, and what rules you should have on YOUR property? That wouldn't fly im sure.
The government tells you what you can or cant do with your property, you make decisions about your property as long as its legal and the government tells you its OK.
Joe Crackhead walking by on the street has no right or ability to tell you what to do with any aspect of your property, nor force his opinion on you on what he "thinks" is the best way.
Bottom line is this is the house of XDA, and the owner says what goes.
So please, for the love of god just follow whatever rules they impose, no matter how stupid you may think they are, and go about your daily business. In all actuality you have absolutely no right to ***** and moan about anything the higher ups have to say about squat.
Let the rants and pissing and moaning stop. If you don't like what is going on take it to the source, feel free to contact the owner of the site or the admins directly with your issues. Hell, start a damn petition. But whatever you do just do it off of their private property that they allow you to use before they revoke that "right" you think you have.
IRL you cant even protest on private property, why does anyone think this is any different?
This isn't aimed at anyone or any group specific, Its just aimed at the general population that thinks this is some kind of public property owned by all.
Leave the MODS out of it as they are just following orders from people that tell them what to do. They are in a lose lose situation as if they don't do what they are told they catch **** from the owner/admins and if they do they catch **** from the community.
Do I think the MODS sometimes should handle things in a different way? YES
But guess what? They DON'T have to, and thats not up to me or you to even have an opinion about.
Believe me the people they are answering to are not the community. They explain things that happen out of courtesy.
Get it out of your heads that any of you have any "rights" on this or any other message board and
please, please, please
LET IT DIE
As for the warez argument, warez is software that is shared without permission.
Im not going to get into the "legal or illegal" argument. See my explanation on this website is Privately owned.
If the government says its not illegal great,
If XDA says its illegal then it is illegal on this board.
Government > XDA > You
that's the decision making process here on XDA, simplified of coarse
XDA says no sharing of that software
whats his name says no sharing of that software on XDA
They agree, why cant you?
This is the first and will be the last time you will hear from me about this topic, It is common sense that you all should know.
Wow somebody ban this guy
I don't say a whole lot on these forums, but I'm in them everyday. I've been on xda far longer than most that post in this, or any other thread. I have to say the flaming has gotten to epic proportions, and it was inevitable that the ban hammer was going to fall sooner or later. Xda used to be the "go-to" site for all devs to show their craft. The adoption rate of android has finally caught up with this place and the maturity has plummeted, thus creating a graveyard of devs in its wake. People complain about the mods in the same manner they complain about the police. Without the police, the "kids" would run this place even worse and drive all the talent away. Posting in here shouldn't be a e-pene measuring contest, it should be for the reason we are all here, to live on the cutting edge of software and squeeze everything we can out of our phones.
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I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Yeah I guess i gone away from the topic. But whenever the topic comes of following GPL companies dodge the question. And most of INdian companies just "nvm" thinking. And for rooting there is nothing like jail here... Things are changing here as people are getting conscious about what are laws and what companies main motive behind hiding like GPL. Well like in america people and devs community slams the companies for not putting sources online.
I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
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As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It's really that simple? Just a slightly colorful version of the stock lockscreen?
So beyond that, it's basically just AOSP versions of the other apps, I assume.
Pretty disappointing now that you bring that up. Seemed like it would be more intriguing than that.