What is the fundamental difference between stock, preinstalled Google Apps that you would find on your newly bought phone versus the google apps package that you flash over to the phone when installing a custom rom like CM?
I realize that the GAPPS are installed into a system directory as opposed to where all other apps are installed. I don't understand why all GAPPS that come on a new phone are updateable even though they are in the system directory as you can "Uninstall Updates" while with GAPPS that are flashed over with a custom rom are not. Are the GAPPS that you flash after a custom ROM updateable via the Play Store?
Blazing Hornet said:
What is the fundamental difference between stock, preinstalled Google Apps that you would find on your newly bought phone versus the google apps package that you flash over to the phone when installing a custom rom like CM?
I realize that the GAPPS are installed into a system directory as opposed to where all other apps are installed. I don't understand why all GAPPS that come on a new phone are updateable even though they are in the system directory as you can "Uninstall Updates" while with GAPPS that are flashed over with a custom rom are not. Are the GAPPS that you flash after a custom ROM updateable via the Play Store?
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Me, also have the same question. Hoping they were updateable via play store
Blazing Hornet said:
What is the fundamental difference between stock, preinstalled Google Apps that you would find on your newly bought phone versus the google apps package that you flash over to the phone when installing a custom rom like CM?
I realize that the GAPPS are installed into a system directory as opposed to where all other apps are installed. I don't understand why all GAPPS that come on a new phone are updateable even though they are in the system directory as you can "Uninstall Updates" while with GAPPS that are flashed over with a custom rom are not. Are the GAPPS that you flash after a custom ROM updateable via the Play Store?
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Downloadable gapps you can choose which versions i.e standard all Google Apps and core would be basic stuff like playstore and file size would be a lot smaller... As for updating I've never ran into any issues
I've never run into update problems with GAPPs. They are built off of Google's source, so they should be just like any pre-installed app. However, they don't come pre-installed on aftermarket ROMs because of licensing issues. Also, many devs, for example the Slim team, modify their GAPPs so they will respond to the "Dark Slim" or similar toggles. Stock GAPPs won't respond to theming. Oh, many of the aftermarket ROMs are de-odexed and as such, so are the GAPPs packages that go with them.
I believe I understand it now. Correct me if I am wrong. GAPPS include the Play Store and other apps for example Gmail and Maps etc. depending on if it is a standard or core package. All of these will update with newer versions as they are released in the Play Store. Things like the Dialer and Calendar are apps that come with the ROM and are not update able unless the ROM itself is updated.
Why is it then that people download standard packages and not just a core package with the Play Store so that they can immediately download the newest Google Apps?
Blazing Hornet said:
I believe I understand it now. Correct me if I am wrong. GAPPS include the Play Store and other apps for example Gmail and Maps etc. depending on if it is a standard or core package. All of these will update with newer versions as they are released in the Play Store. Things like the Dialer and Calendar are apps that come with the ROM and are not update able unless the ROM itself is updated.
Why is it then that people download standard packages and not just a core package with the Play Store so that they can immediately download the newest Google Apps?
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I think you're a bit confused. Most gapps packages are already somewhat "core" packages and have very few elements extra. If you check Cyanogenmod gapps you'll see them sometimes remove the apps that are available via the Play Store in their changelog.
As for updating, they can update just fine. What you're confusing though probably is on a rom upgrade. When you download a stock OTA update, they contain the updated gapps at least for the core functionality that would "break" the phone if they weren't updated. The others update via Play Store.
On a custom rom update from let's say Android 4.3 to Android 4.4, rom maintainers do not package the gapps with the rom itself for various reasons, one of them being not wanting to get picked on by Google like Cyanogenmod was in the past. They used to have them packaged, but Google didn't want that and the community came to an agreement to provide them separately.
Hope this helps
polobunny said:
I think you're a bit confused. Most gapps packages are already somewhat "core" packages and have very few elements extra. If you check Cyanogenmod gapps you'll see them sometimes remove the apps that are available via the Play Store in their changelog.
As for updating, they can update just fine. What you're confusing though probably is on a rom upgrade. When you download a stock OTA update, they contain the updated gapps at least for the core functionality that would "break" the phone if they weren't updated. The others update via Play Store.
On a custom rom update from let's say Android 4.3 to Android 4.4, rom maintainers do not package the gapps with the rom itself for various reasons, one of them being not wanting to get picked on by Google like Cyanogenmod was in the past. They used to have them packaged, but Google didn't want that and the community came to an agreement to provide them separately.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the explanation
Okay my problem is I am doing everything right installing latest slimsaber and without rebooting or anything downloaded and installed latest gapps full package from offical slimkat page like fusionjack said but when my phone opens there is no google play store and that makes me cant use any google apps for example google+ when I open it chrashes dont exacly remember the reason but I just cant open it or any google apps.
sme problem
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Okay my problem is I am doing everything right installing latest slimsaber and without rebooting or anything downloaded and installed latest gapps full package from offical slimkat page like fusionjack said but when my phone opens there is no google play store and that makes me cant use any google apps for example google+ when I open it chrashes dont exacly remember the reason but I just cant open it or any google apps.
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hi!
i have exactly the same problem. completely desperate. is there a solution already?
kind regards, kim606
groovess said:
Okay my problem is I am doing everything right installing latest slimsaber and without rebooting or anything downloaded and installed latest gapps full package from offical slimkat page like fusionjack said but when my phone opens there is no google play store and that makes me cant use any google apps for example google+ when I open it chrashes dont exacly remember the reason but I just cant open it or any google apps.
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had this same issue with this rom
then i figured out a way that worked for me
try the mini/micro gapps zip file
this resolved the same issue for me
hope it does the same for you too
hit that thanks meter and tell i helped you happy to help.
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I recently purchased a Moto E so that I could install Cyanogenmod onto it. I was able to follow all the instructions on https://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_surnia. When I boot my phone Cyanogenmod works find, however none of the google apps appear in the Android App Tray.
So far I have tried both the the nano and the full version from opengapps.org, but neither works. I am primarly interested in getting the Google App store installed on my phone so that I can have easy access to installing new apps without having to locate .apk files. I would also like to experment with google voice typing even if I untimatly decide that feature is not worth the device overhead.
Has anyone else experinced problems installing Google Apps in my setup?
Phone:Moto E 2015 (XT1526)
Cyanogenmod: cm-13.0-20161001-NIGHTLY-surnia.zip
Gapps: open_gapps-arm-6.0-nano-20160828.zip
TeamWin: twrp-3.0.2-0-surnia.img
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I recently purchased a Moto E so that I could install Cyanogenmod onto it. I was able to follow all the instructions on https://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_surnia. When I boot my phone Cyanogenmod works find, however none of the google apps appear in the Android App Tray.
So far I have tried both the the nano and the full version from opengapps.org, but neither works. I am primarly interested in getting the Google App store installed on my phone so that I can have easy access to installing new apps without having to locate .apk files. I would also like to experment with google voice typing even if I untimatly decide that feature is not worth the device overhead.
Has anyone else experinced problems installing Google Apps in my setup?
Phone:Moto E 2015 (XT1526)
Cyanogenmod: cm-13.0-20161001-NIGHTLY-surnia.zip
Gapps: open_gapps-arm-6.0-nano-20160828.zip
TeamWin: twrp-3.0.2-0-surnia.img
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Did you install the GAPPS immediately after flashing, without booting in between?
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The second time I wiped the first install. Then I reinstalled new CM13and Gapps at the same time.
Go ahead and mark this one solved. I just used the aroma version of open gapps, now it works! I suppose there is some mystery as to why I could not install the two other versions, but I don't want to waste time trying to figure it out. Aroma is the version that allows the used to choose which packages to install
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Go ahead and mark this one solved. I just used the aroma version of open gapps, now it works! I suppose there is some mystery as to why I could not install the two other versions, but I don't want to waste time trying to figure it out. Aroma is the version that allows the used to choose which packages to install
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Great to hear! Enjoy CM 13!
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Hi everyone!
I want to want to know how Gapps updates works.
I installed Gapps Pico for ARM64 and I want to know if I have to manually update Gapps Pico (Google PlayStore and Play services) by flashing the new version via recovery or once I have installed Gapps, it updates automatically itself.
For example, Google Apps for manufactures updates automaticallyl and you can see that Google Play Store has an Update or something.
Actually I receive apps(Instagram, WhatsApp, Norton and so on) updates perfectly but since a I have installed Gapps in February 23 (I know that is too soon to expect a Google Play Store update, but I want to know if I have to update Gapps manually or I have not worry about it) I'm asking myself about this.
Thanks for your help!
For me pico dasn't support install from webpage play and dasn't support next upadate. I must use nano version.
jivo said:
For me pico dasn't support install from webpage play and dasn't support next upadate. I must use nano version.
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I'm sorry but I don't get what you said
If you are talking about installing apps from the play store website, me neither. I just can see which apps I have installed! But I really don't care too much about it.
I prefer lightness over some features and apps.
Have you received any update for the Play Store using Pico?
I don't know if ppl here on MTCB have noticed this hack
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/mtcd-microg-install-massive-speed-t3581439
While it is MTCD related, according to MicorG original thread it works on any stock or custom Android ROM if there is Xposed...
Russians on 4pda also experimenting with it on both MTCD as well as MATCB/C with great results, but I cannot post 4pda links for XDA policy so you have to look for that yourself.
I installed it according to Russian's procedure (there are several prebuilt APK installers that are easy to use - just click and go!) onto latest MTCB KK Malaysk 3188 ROM and it works. I think there is some speed improvement, I think even several sec faster boot and I believe apps work smoother, but I use only just few apps beside stock ones so it was fast for me even without hacks....
BUT.... Im wondering if MM ROMs for MTCBs, which are notorious for sluggishness, can be improved with this hack. Didn't find Russians reporting on that yet, so maybe someone here with Malaysia or other KK ROM may try and report results.
It would be great if this hack can resolve performance issues on MM ROMs without memory upgrade! I believe Russians are on track for that, but I would encourage ppl here willing to step forward.
Thanks @pa.ko
I can confirm that is working as it should - speed and boot time boost! Found that solution 1 week ago but I cannot install these apps, probably because I didn't unninstall google play just freezed them.
I tried this on DSA's latest lollipop rom.
1) use Titanium backup or root uninstaller ect to remove all google apps
GmsCore, (I didn't have this)
GoogleBackupTransport, (freeze then remove)
GoogleFeedback, (freeze then remove)
GoogleLoginService, (freeze then remove)
GoogleOneTimeInitializer, (freeze then remove)
GooglePartnerSetup, (freeze then remove)
GoogleServicesFramework, (freeze then remove)
Phonesky, (I didn't have this)
SetupWizard and (I didn't have this)
Velvet ect) (I didn't have this)
2) Wipe dalvik cache with titanium backup for all apps
3) install FakeGApps by thermatk from xposed, activate, and reboot.
4) go to https://microg.org/download.html and download latest
microG Services Core Preview release (not stable 0.2.4),
microG Services Framework Proxy stable and
microG Store (FakeStore release) stable.
5) Install the three apps, reboot.
6) Test if it works, try to go to settings -> accounts -> add account, add your google account and hopefully should all go ok.
I did the following and I could log into google account and use google maps without problems.
I also use paid Poweramp from playstore and now I had problem because poweramp could not verify licence...
Will try to install fake store but I think this won't work, any solutions?
Johny DJ said:
Thanks @pa.ko
I can confirm that is working as it should - speed and boot time boost! Found that solution 1 week ago but I cannot install these apps, probably because I didn't unninstall google play just freezed them.
I tried this on DSA's latest lollipop rom.
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Will try to install fake store but I think this won't work, any solutions?
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Good to have confirm that it works for you too.
Unfortunately, I don't use any sw that requires license check so I cannot share experiences. You may ask in MicroG thread here on XDA? I think they would know more on licensing checks and other advances features.
I've removed all the Google Play stuff from my unit anyway and it boots fast and runs extremely well. Sure I have to grab APK's instead of using the store and can't use Google Maps etc but the benefits outweigh those negatives.
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I've removed all the Google Play stuff from my unit anyway and it boots fast and runs extremely well. Sure I have to grab APK's instead of using the store and can't use Google Maps etc but the benefits outweigh those negatives.
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Which ROM you use? KK or LP? Good to know that MicroG is solution for performance.
I managed to get working microG and playstore with google maps, youtube and other google staff working... but google play is useable just for activating poweramp for me thats it, if i use blankstore instead all the google apps are stil working but poweramp doesn't activate
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pa.ko said:
It would be great if this hack can resolve performance issues on MM ROMs without memory upgrade! I believe Russians are on track for that, but I would encourage ppl here willing to step forward.
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Surely you mean Lollipop, theres no MM for MTCB/C.
I think the best way to sort these issues is the 2GB RAM mod.
But using MicroG sounds like it would help, its how you d uninstall the current G package, I ll check out the thread . . .
EDIT: I was thinking that MicroG was a micro google apps package that you might install from here : http://opengapps.org/
after flashing a custom ROM with no google apps at all.
typos1 said:
Surely you mean Lollipop, theres no MM for MTCB/C.
I think the best way to sort these issues is the 2GB RAM mod.
But using MicroG sounds like it would help, its how you d uninstall the current G package, I ll check out the thread . . .
EDIT: I was thinking that MicroG was a micro google apps package that you might install from here : http://opengapps.org/
after flashing a custom ROM with no google apps at all.
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No it is not. MicroG is independent project, targeted to offload much of Googles mambo-jumbo which is of interest only for Google (wide data collection for their own interest) on expense of processing power of the users... It is well known problem that LP was "too heavy" for exact reasons, they (BigG) reduced it in MM (but not too much, they still need lot of user data and processing offload on users side to make all these billions of $ for themselves)... KK was "lighter" (especially if you dont install Google App at all, which was BTW introduced after KK was released so in KK there is no by-design support for all that mambo-jumbo intoduced later).
Well, someone was mindful enough to launch this project. So it is solution for LP performance issues without RAM upgrade.
(Dont want to argue about benefits of RAM upgrade - just pointing out that similar performance for average user needs can be achieved with this free SW hack instead of paying and struggling with RAM chips upgrade)
It is to follow the development and see if devs like Booroondook and Mlaysk will incorporate this hack in their ROM builds (it would be beneficial to both KK and LP ROMs, especially for 3066 units!!!). That would be a revolution around here...
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No it is not. MicroG is independent project, targeted to offload much of Googles mambo-jumbo which is of interest only for Google (wide data collection for their own interest) on expense of processing power of the users... It is well known problem that LP was "too heavy" for exact reasons, they (BigG) reduced it in MM (but not too much, they still need lot of user data and processing offload on users side to make all these billions of $ for themselves)... KK was "lighter" (especially if you dont install Google App at all, which was BTW introduced after KK was released so in KK there is no by-design support for all that mambo-jumbo intoduced later).
Well, someone was mindful enough to launch this project. So it is solution for LP performance issues without RAM upgrade.
(Dont want to argue about benefits of RAM upgrade - just pointing out that similar performance for average user needs can be achieved with this free SW hack instead of paying and struggling with RAM chips upgrade)
It is to follow the development and see if devs like Booroondook and Mlaysk will incorporate this hack in their ROM builds (it would be beneficial to both KK and LP ROMs, especially for 3066 units!!!). That would be a revolution around here...
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I know EXACTLY what youre talking about - I clicked on the link and I know about Googleis service mods throughout the versions thanks.
I was posting/editing my post to suggest that maybe removing all Gapps and installing a Microgoogle apps package like in the link may also help.
There is no "arguement" about the RAM upgrade - it IS the best way to sort the problems, but this (and poss my suggestion) could the second best way if it works.
Hi,
if someone send me (also a private message is fine) some info on how create a package that is accepted from the recovery I can add support for it in my installer.
ale5000 said:
Hi,
if someone send me (also a private message is fine) some info on how create a package that is accepted from the recovery I can add support for it in my installer.
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Probably has to be allready in update.img in the rom update, or format like ota update uses...
I also tried flashfire app to flash your zip from system itself and it worked...
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Johny DJ said:
Probably has to be allready in update.img in the rom update, or format like ota update uses...
I also tried flashfire app to flash your zip from system itself and it worked...
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Thanks, it is a nice idea to use FlashFire.
When i use the Malaysk Rom 5.1.1 i can use the instructions like in the second post? How much RAM i can save and how to let google Maps Work?
Thanks in advance
lavan79 said:
When i use the Malaysk Rom 5.1.1 i can use the instructions like in the second post? How much RAM i can save and how to let google Maps Work?
Thanks in advance
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Yes you can, and yes you can use google maps, because playstore is working...
You save about 300 mb
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Thanks for answering , i have delete the Google Services and install only 2 apks because one of them cant install. it was the microG store apk. When i want install, it aborts. But i can now see i have more memory and the Radio feels faster. What can i do to install the the microG store APK? ( FakeStore releases ) and must i change something in the FakeG Apps App Menu?
EDIT: Now i can login to Google Play, but after that i become this message: Error retrieving information from server. [RH-01].
I found on the internet a guide to fix it. Close google Play and clear cache. Dele the Google account and makes a new account, but the same error. Is it because i cant install the APK microG APK ?
Thanks in advance
lavan79 said:
Thanks for answering , i have delete the Google Services and install only 2 apks because one of them cant install. it was the microG store apk. When i want install, it aborts. But i can now see i have more memory and the Radio feels faster. What can i do to install the the microG store APK? ( FakeStore releases ) and must i change something in the FakeG Apps App Menu?
EDIT: Now i can login to Google Play, but after that i become this message: Error retrieving information from server. [RH-01].
I found on the internet a guide to fix it. Close google Play and clear cache. Dele the Google account and makes a new account, but the same error. Is it because i cant install the APK microG APK ?
Thanks in advance
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Try to update microG to the latest. And yes I also have problems with google play. I just have to clear it from recents and then it works otherwise there is no store showing.
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Johny DJ said:
Thanks @pa.ko
I can confirm that is working as it should - speed and boot time boost! Found that solution 1 week ago but I cannot install these apps, probably because I didn't unninstall google play just freezed them.
I tried this on DSA's latest lollipop rom.
1) use Titanium backup or root uninstaller ect to remove all google apps
GmsCore, (I didn't have this)
GoogleBackupTransport, (freeze then remove)
GoogleFeedback, (freeze then remove)
GoogleLoginService, (freeze then remove)
GoogleOneTimeInitializer, (freeze then remove)
GooglePartnerSetup, (freeze then remove)
GoogleServicesFramework, (freeze then remove)
Phonesky, (I didn't have this)
SetupWizard and (I didn't have this)
Velvet ect) (I didn't have this)
2) Wipe dalvik cache with titanium backup for all apps
3) install FakeGApps by thermatk from xposed, activate, and reboot.
4) go to https://microg.org/download.html and download latest
microG Services Core Preview release (not stable 0.2.4),
microG Services Framework Proxy stable and
microG Store (FakeStore release) stable.
5) Install the three apps, reboot.
6) Test if it works, try to go to settings -> accounts -> add account, add your google account and hopefully should all go ok.
I did the following and I could log into google account and use google maps without problems.
I also use paid Poweramp from playstore and now I had problem because poweramp could not verify licence...
Will try to install fake store but I think this won't work, any solutions?
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Hi, its working on rooted stock soft on Mtcc?
I can't open fakegapps
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Hi, its working on rooted stock soft on Mtcc?
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Yes, works on all ROMs, but you may want also to try @dsa8310's ROM which not only has a microG version but also an OpenGapps pico version too, which some people find better, its in the "MTCB/MTCC Firmware" thread.
Thanks, I make instal xposed and brick HU :/ I would like no lags interfejs (better than stock), i should instal MicroG or Open Gapps from "MTCB/MTCC Firmware" thread? I am thanks!
i cant activate the google acc.
If i press add, there comes a screen with "please wait" an nothing more