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Hows the gaming on Tbolt?. Way better than older snapdragons like evo or inc? Comparable to galaxy s? Choppy? Smooth? Im just curious.
It is a lot better than the Evo but not on the same level of SGS phones, Samsung is always ahead in the graphics department.
So maybe droid x level?
Depends on what you are playing, of course. N64oid doesn't run all games smoothly yet.
The new Snapdragon processor that is in the thunderbolt is pretty much the same as the first hummingbird, so the graphic capabilities should also be about the same. I came from a Captivate and all the games I played on it play just as well. I do miss that SAMOLED screen though...
emulators are available right? like gameboid etc? You dont need root do you?
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emulators are available right? like gameboid etc? You dont need root do you?
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Dont see whynot
I play this stupid little game called The Elements which is VERY processor intensive.
It ran pretty good on my Incredible. Ran pretty choppy on my Droid X, but on the Thunderbolt, it's smooth as heck. Way better than the previous two phones.
I bought the let's golf game accidentally but its a lot of fun and runs great for whatever kind of processor usage it takes...I still have to get raging thunder off my Droid but that should be good too..
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Depends on what you are playing, of course. N64oid doesn't run all games smoothly yet.
The new Snapdragon processor that is in the thunderbolt is pretty much the same as the first hummingbird, so the graphic capabilities should also be about the same. I came from a Captivate and all the games I played on it play just as well. I do miss that SAMOLED screen though...
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It is not anywhere close to the Hummingbird when it comes to graphics. Go look at some of the Quadrant tests and look at how smooth the graphics are. Thunderbolt stutters a bit but way way way better than the Evo ever was or could be.
If you run a Smartbench 2010 test, it will show the results for a SGS phone, graphics score way higher.
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It is not anywhere close to the Hummingbird when it comes to graphics. Go look at some of the Quadrant tests and look at how smooth the graphics are. Thunderbolt stutters a bit but way way way better than the Evo ever was or could be.
If you run a Smartbench 2010 test, it will show the results for a SGS phone, graphics score way higher.
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Yea because not the humming bird CPU but the sgs gpu (graphics processing unit) the snapdragon is was superior but Samsung gpu is better
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Yea because not the humming bird CPU but the sgs gpu (graphics processing unit) the snapdragon is was superior but Samsung gpu is better
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Hummingbird is both the CPU + GPU. CPU wise, they are based on ARM Cortex A8. Info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Hummingbird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex_A8
So in the end, Hummingbird is superior when it comes to graphic capabilities. Thunderbolt is faster when it comes to data crunching and processing.
"The current generation Snapdragon uses Adreno 205 GPUs. This GPU is just as fast as the Hummingbird, if not faster."
http://www.tested.com/news/hummingbird-vs-snapdragon-vs-omap-vs-tegra-2-arm-chips-explained/1704/
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"The current generation Snapdragon uses Adreno 205 GPUs. This GPU is just as fast as the Hummingbird, if not faster."
http://www.tested.com/news/hummingbird-vs-snapdragon-vs-omap-vs-tegra-2-arm-chips-explained/1704/
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That is not what the benchmarks are saying. Run one yourself.
Benchmarks are Benchmarks, Real Life performance is Real life performace.
My TB has been beastly on Words with Friends.
I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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nope.
dungeon defender hd which was optimized for tegra did not work. samurai 2 does not work either.a real bummer
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nope.
dungeon defender hd which was optimized for tegra did not work. samurai 2 does not work either.a real bummer
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Friut ninja hd, also doesnt work. Says that its optimised for tegra devices only.
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From reading other comments elsewhere it appeared that the Exynos chipset was better than the Tegra 2, or is the Tegra 2 just better in games?...
Tegra games will not work on any other GPU ATM
galaxy s and nexus s PowerVR sgx 540 and other high end GPUs are more than capable of running "tegra 2" games.
Not to mention the tegra 2 really isn't that much faster than the SGS NS sgx540 tegra has two CPU cores and from what i gathered when gaming it dedicated one core for system and the other strictly for games when gaming.
Nvidia is paying off developers just like they do on PC. only difference between mobile and PC though is that PC "nvidia meant to be played" games will still work on ATI
Not the same with other mobile GPUs unfortunately
Nvidia is ruining android by doing this exclusive BS
Also the SGS2 GPU should be on par if not faster than the tegra 2
^ Gotcha thanks!...
Not sure if this has been answered before, but this post seems like a good place for this discussion...
1. Why did samsung launch a phone under two different cpu's...
2. Doesn't this mean that when samsung goes to release an android update for the phone they have to make two different updates, one for each cpu?
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Not sure if this has been answered before, but this post seems like a good place for this discussion...
1. Why did samsung launch a phone under two different cpu's...
2. Doesn't this mean that when samsung goes to release an android update for the phone they have to make two different updates, one for each cpu?
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1. Probably due to the limited supply of Exynos CPUs
2. No, unless there needs to be a new driver written for the CPU (which is highly unlikely)
Nvidia is just causing some more fragmentation. As if we needed anymore.
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Not only that but AMD is actually getting into the Android hardware game so it's about to get even messier. I hope Google comes out with some kind of DirectX thing to help with this.
well this cant go on forever because HTC sensation also comin out with a different cpu. so we should see the games released in different versions for all dual core phones pretty soon.
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well this cant go on forever because HTC sensation also comin out with a different cpu. so we should see the games released in different versions for all dual core phones pretty soon.
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Wouldnt worry to much about that Most game developers make sure their game run on a wide selection of phones. Addapting a game to run on a new phone is not a lot of work, but increases the market potential. As mentioned before, Nvidia is paying developers to make the game tegra2 only. And luckely Nvidia is the only one doing this so far. A direct X solution for android could be a good medicine against the fragmentation, but I do know a certain hackers community that makes tegra 2 games playable on other devices. (have been playing galaxy on fire 2 for a while now) But XDA doesnt support linking to pirated software so I cannot share this, im sorry. (Google is your friend )
If the range of tegra 2 games will grow, there will be more interest in porting those games. Since its not very hard. Lets hope the hackers destroy the fragmentation haha.
As long as game developers stick to OpenGL ES specifications, all devices will be able to play the game (current). The device with more powerful GPU will obviously play it better.
What Nvidia is doing with Tegra is that they are making the sponsored game developers use the proprietary texture compression format that only Tegra Devices can run. This is what I have against Tegra Zone and Tegra as whole. The last thing we want is Nvidia playing dirty games they tried to play in PC gaming arena (they still do to some extent with PhysX and CUDA ).
So there is no real need to worry about developers having to code the game for each GPU core out there. Sensation might have different GPU but it will be OpenGL ES 2.x compatible just like Mali and others.
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I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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Samsung galaxy s and Desire HD can run tegra game ... why would world's fastest phone cannot run it????
Ur solution here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSAJptywT8Q
Below the video , see description.. he has attached all files needed...
U need to root ur SGS2 and Install chaifire 3d... install nvidia driver.. it will run flawlessly....
here.. .http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087427
http://samsunggalaxysforums.com/showthread.php/4949-Tegra-only-games-now-working-in-SGSII!
Enjoy...
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I just ordered my Galaxy S II from the UK, but there has been a question hangin over my head.
Will games that are optimized for Tegra 2 ( such as games in Tegra Zone ) work on the Galaxy S II with the Exynos chipset?
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Yes but you'll need to Root, download Chainfire3D and the NVidia Tegra patch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1090032
I can confirm this works for some games...
These are the games I've tested thus far:
Samurai II: Vengeance runs very well - However their is a bug with opening the combo draw.
Pinball HD for Tegra runs flawlessly
Riptide GP doesn't load at all - Just a black screen and then crash to homescreen.
When I have the money I'll buy the other games later and post results later.
Our phones also use an OpenGL compression which no other phone uses as of this moment, so there is nearly 0 support for it at the moment
EDIT: I forgot to mention this is with the use of Chainfire 3D with the Tegra plugin.
Pinball HD is running even on my Xperia X10 with Chainfire 3d...
Samurai 2 ... runs on low texture but not playable on x10.... but i have seen videos of it running on SGS and Desire HD... so it will run on sgs2 too
Dont know about other games...
As the topic says which is better?
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mali 400...
I havent tested mali, but the downside with tegra 2 is that they say that nvidia haven't released the source code, leaving developers fumbling in darkness. I have an LG Optimus 2X with tegra 2 gpu, and I really like the smoothness and quickness of my graphics. I haven't seen any graphical problems yet, though I have played lots of demanding games.
You could check these out: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked and http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
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You could check these out: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy-s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked and http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mali-400mp-gpu-and-vs-tegra-2/.
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Thx bro.
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That was Anandtech Feb 2011 benchmark.
I admit those scores also misled me for the longest time, which is what brought me to purchase a Tegra 2 tablet. Then after a while, seeing that there is little gaming support for Tegra 2 (couldn't even run Dead Space, and Real Racing 2 ran like a dog), I fell out of that wagon pretty fast and got an iPad 2, which ran basically ANYTHING, and freaking hell smoothly I might add.
Now I got to play with a friend's Galaxy that comes with a Mali 400MP. What amazes me is that it can run NOVA 3 relatively well, whereas Tegra 2 version can't even show you any shader effects, that is, if you get it to run at all. So after some more Googling, I found another benchmark from Anandtech that claims a totally different thing. Have yourself a look.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
Now if you base your performance on the first 2 graphs, of course you'd think the Tegra 2 is so much faster than Mali 400MP. But hang on, scroll down a little further, and you'll see how wrong you are. For on every graph that follows, Mali 400MP freaking hands the other players their asses! All except Flash, which it ties with Tegra 2.
i think they are performing close together, any rumor? no i dont think so,
These Benchmarks are only theoretical values.
I'm running my Sony Xperia P which contains a cutted Mali400 with Chainfire3d fired up with Nvidia Plugin so i'm able to play the Tegra 2 Games and they are smooth like Hell even with 4xMSAA.
So Benchmarks are one Hand but real feel Values are the better one Solution to mention about Performance
(Xperia P has only 1Core Mali400MP the SGSII has 4Core Mali400MP4)
And how does that contradict what I said about Tegra 2 vs Mali 400MP? Mali 400MP > Tegra 2, totally contrary to what a lot of people have asserted on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977412
And if you're a Tegra fan looking for more aggravation, just look up "tegra 2 NOVA3" and watch a few videos, and watch a few videos of how Mali 400 runs the same game.
Tegra 2
But mali400 have support more than tegra 2 video codecs
Notice how the nexus 5 lags whilst the galaxy s3 and nexus 10 are smooth?
Nexus 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMnXO8cMgY
Galaxy s3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVD0zHygm4
Nexus 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTcbt4sHps
Could this be because the snapdragon is crap or because of optimization?
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
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Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
Wow
The fact that the nexus 10 can run that game at that crazy resolution is pretty impressive
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
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Well we'll hope for the best, these new drivers does work though. Graphics performance is kinda better now
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
yeah it snapdragon 2.3ghz to keep up with the 1.9ghz of exynos
Hey there,bull,calm down. S3 doesn't suck. I use it every day heavily and multitasking,RAM management are amazing. Yeah,I agree,S3 lags in all of new games,but there's a reason. Know it? Because it's old already. Soon 2 years will pass since S3 was released and of course new games will lag on such an old device.
So again,calm down there.
Someone needs to chill
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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Don't be an idiot. The Exynos on the S3 is far superior to the Qualcomm version. The Exynos version had a quad-core CPU vs. dual-core for the Qualcomm version. That's what the OP is talking about and you just sound like an immature little teenager.
On the S4, it's a different story because Samsung's big.LITTLE was poorly implemented on the Exynos. However, on the new Galaxy Note 3, Exynos is just as good, if not better than the Qualcomm 800. And when Samsung updates the chipset with octa-core capability, it has the potential to surpass the competition significantly.
As for your idiotic argument of popularity, Samsung decides which regions will receive Exynos chips based on LTE availability and Qualcomm's licensing restrictions. It's not based on popularity, it's based on patents and licensing costs.
I don't have any lag on my S3 and I happen to like comparisons of different chipsets, even from YouTube. You aren't qualified to speak on everyone's behalf and I appreciate this thread which asks a perfectly fine question.
I think mali and snapdragon are sort of budget type processors whereas qualcomm and exynos(some models) are the higher end of things
Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU. The Exynos version of the S4 didn't have a Mali GPU, it had a PowerVR one.
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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Yes but you made the wrongful assumption that mali is something that just goes with exynos. Exynos is made by Samsung while Mali is made by ARM and not even by Samsung at all
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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What?
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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He's talking absolute truth,which people don't want to believe to.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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*sigh*
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*sigh*
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What's up? Maybe I misunderstood something? English isn't my native language,my apologies.
Hello guys,
I want to buy a new phone and i hesitate between the OnePlus X and the galaxy A5 2016.
Is the X powerful and what's the avg Antutu score? Is the snapdragon 801 good to play games like Modern Combat 5 or Fifa 16?
Thanking you in advance
Antutu score does not matter much. Software is buggy on oneplus x. You should go for other choices but not samsung .
In principle, If playing such games is your prime necessity then you should go for a 5.5 inch display phone with a better processor and bigger battery. Just my opinion.
this is not a gaming device. really go for something else. h2os is bugfree.antutu score is 71k with OC on h2os
To answer your question regarding Antutu score - my score on stock rom with stock kernel was 50k. And the gpu performance rated by the Antutu app was "poor", if I remember correctly.
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Antutu score does not matter much. Software is buggy on oneplus x. You should go for other choices but not samsung .
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In principle, If playing such games is your prime necessity then you should go for a 5.5 inch display phone with a better processor and bigger battery. Just my opinion.
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this is not a gaming device. really go for something else. h2os is bugfree.antutu score is 71k with OC on h2os
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To answer your question regarding Antutu score - my score on stock rom with stock kernel was 50k. And the gpu performance rated by the Antutu app was "poor", if I remember correctly.
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Thanks guys but i think gaming would be better than my Galaxy Grand Prime with snapdragon 410 an 1Gb of ram (22k on Antutu) an 5.5 inches is too big for my pocket. And psychem, how do you get 71k with a S801 ?
I saw on YouTube that Multitasking was wonderful with 3GB RAM. And will it be updated to Marshmallow or N (long term)?
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Thanks guys but i think gaming would be better than my Galaxy Grand Prime with snapdragon 410 an 1Gb of ram (22k on Antutu) an 5.5 inches is too big for my pocket. And psychem, how do you get 71k with a S801 ?
I saw on YouTube that Multitasking was wonderful with 3GB RAM. And will it be updated to Marshmallow or N (long term)?
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Check the h2os thread for the scores. Yes this phone has better multi taking than even s6 in my experience. There are already many custom roms based on Mm
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Check the h2os thread for the scores. Yes this phone has better multi taking than even s6 in my experience. There are already many custom roms based on Mm
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And for Android N ?
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And for Android N ?
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They will come...