Xiaomi Mi Note 2 review
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I would like to share my experience about the latest flagship from Xiaomi, the Mi Note 2 , which was introduced by Xiaomi this October.
I got the phone from SPEmall for review, so first I would like to say thanks for providing me this beautiful phone so fast! Actually the device is still hard to get outside of China, because the flash sales on Mi.com are usually taking about 2-3 seconds.
So, let's start with the specifications:
Specifications
Connectivity:
Global version
FDD-LTE: B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B7 / B8 / B12 / B13
/ B17 / B18 / B19 / B20 / B25 / B26 / B28 / B29 / B30
TDD-LTE: B38 / B39 / B40 / B41
TD-SCDMA: B34 / B39
WCDMA: B1 / B2 / B4 / B5 / B8
GSM: B2 / B3 / B5 / B8
CDMA: BC0 / B1 / B10 / B15
Standard version
FDD-LTE: B1 / B3 / B5 / B7
TDD-LTE: B38 / B39 / B40 / B41
TD-SCDMA: B34 / B39
WCDMA: B1 / B2 / B5 / B8
GSM: B2 / B3 / B5 / B8
CDMA: BC0
Announced: 2016 October
Size: 156.2 x 77.3 x 7.6 mm (6.15 x 3.04 x 0.30 in)
Weight: 166 g (5.86 oz)
SIM: Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)
Screen: AMOLED edge screen, 110% NTSC color gamut, 100000:1 contrast ratio
Méret: 5.7" (~74.2% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution: 1080 x 1920 pixel (~386 ppi )
OS: MIUI 8.0 Android 6.0 (Marshmallow)
SoC: Qualcomm MSM8996 SD821 CPU quad core(2x2.35 GHz Kryo & 2x1.6 GHz Kryo) GPU Adreno 530
Storage/RAM: 64 GB UFS 2.0/4 GB DDR4 RAM or 128 GB UFS 2.0/6 GB DDR4 RAM
Camera:
Rear:
Sony IMX318 Exmor RS 22.5 MP, f/2.0, EIS (gyro), phase detection autofocus, dual-LED flash
1/2.6" sensor, 1 µm pixel size, geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, HDR, panorama
Video [email protected], [email protected]
Front:
8 MP, f/2.0, autofocus
Wireless: WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, Bluetooth v4.2, A2DP, LE
GPS: GPS, A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS
NFC: Yes
Infra: Yes
USB: Type-C
Battery: Li-Ion 4070 mAh built-in
Available colors: Black, Silver
The design
We all know, that the Samsung Note 7 how beautyful device, but the Samsung made a big mistake in the design or in production, so the phones are exploded or just smoked.
The best design aspect in Note 7 was the edge screen in my opinion.
Many of the phone companies wanted to use this unfortunate situation of Samsung to boost their sales and started to announce dual curved phones. For instance: Xiaomi, Huawei, Vivo, and according to the rumors the edge screened HTC is also in the works.
From the phones above, I would like to show you the Mi Note 2. The phone sports with top specifications and it's still much cheaper the brands above.
You can get this phone about 530 USD which is a very great price for the value.
The phone comes in a white box, nothing special to say about. It looks simple and good.
After opening the box, you will see the phone with some protections films on the front and also on the back, which can be easily removed.
After removing the paper under the phone you will see all the accesories:
- charger
- Type-C cable
- Back cover
- some paperwork and SIM key
The front and the back made from glass, but I have no exact information about the protection. The frame is metal, painted to dark grey.
The device is very beautiful and very comfortable to use it and hold in the hand, I am very impressed also about the thickness, which is only 7.6 mm. I think it's a nice value with the big battery inside.
On the right you will find the power button and the volume rockers, on the left side we have only the SIM door.
On the bottom we have the type-C port and two speaker grills, but only one of them hides a speaker.
On the top you will see the 3.5 jack, the IR and a secondary microphone.
The front panel is 3D curved and it's beautiful. Under the screen we have the home button, with fingerprint sensor inside and on both sides of the button you will find the hidden capacitive buttons, which is backlit.
Above the screen we have the front camera, the phonespeaker, the sensors and also the hidden RGB notification LED light, which has pretty strong light.
The back is made from glass. It likes to collect the fingerprints, but still it looks awesome!
You will find the camera and the dual-LED flash on the back.
The screen is a curved AMOLED technology panel, I have no exact information about the manufacturer.
The resolution is FullHD, which is still acceptable on 5.7†size, at least I have no problems with reading the small text ont he screen.
The colors are very nice, the black is black like on every AMOLED screen. The viewing angles are very okey, you won’t find any issue with the screen., The brightness is very good, and also in low light situation it is very comfortable to see that.
Camera, audio
Most of the phones from China has some problem with the pictures made in low light situations.
We are lucky with the Note 2 because it shows a big improvement in this. The pictures are very sharp and detailed, also the colors are very natural, so you will be very satisfied with the overall quality.
I think the pictures above are great, so for an average user this is more than enough.
The speaker is very loud, you will have nice sound quality, actually I was really impressed how the one speaker can do that.
MIUI
I think I don't have to introduce how the MIUI works, also how multifunctional system is that.
You will be very satisfied with the system speed and with the plenty of functions provided by the MIUI.
Hardware
You will find the exact specification of the phone on the top of the article, so I wouldn’t like to detail it again. The heart of the phone is the latest Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC, called 821. This is the slightly improved version of the 820 which was introduced on the beginning of this year.
It got some overclocking and also some optimization which helps to reduce the consumption of the system.
The phone is fast in every situation, also it doesn’t heat up, after a lot of benchmarks.
Battery life
The phone ships with the with a huge 4070mAh battery that performs very well. I could get over 6.5 hours of screen-on time on a mixed use which is a very good result.
Communnication, conclusion
The global version supports all the available LTE bands in the world, even the LTE B20 which is a dealbreaker for many Europian buyers.
Dual-Band Wifi (AC), Bluetooth 4.2 and everything what you need for a modern flagship phone.
Built-in sensors list:
The GPS is pretty accurate even with Wifi and data turned off. It finds signal very fast and it hold's it accurately.
We can say, that Xiaomi did it again! They made a very good phone for reasonable price compared to the other flagships.
I would say, I would buy this phone instead of a top Samsung, or Apple, because you will get almost the same experience and quality for half price!
What we get for our money?
Top hardware
Edge screen
Very good support
Perfect build quality
Very good camera in this price segment
A beautiful design
The phone is really recommended
I would like to say thank you again to SPEmall for providing me this beautiful phone for review!
Thank you for good review. I would like to know, do you need glass protection?
Sent from my MI 5 using XDA-Developers mobile app
dtosun said:
Thank you for good review. I would like to know, do you need glass protection?
Sent from my MI 5 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Actually I am using the phone only 4 days ago, so I don't know how strong is the glass. Xiaomi didn't notice the type of protection. On Aliexpress you can find some curved tempered glass, so I think it's not a dealbreaker. Also, for the back cover you get a plastic protector from Xiaomi.
The best smartphone i had in years i agree with every thing
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peixeskim said:
The best smartphone i had in years i agree with every thing
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Thank you! This phone is perfect for the price.
I want to ask if spemall are reliable? i noticed their price are quite reasonable. i want to buy one from spemall. looking forward your suggestion
bellzeng said:
I want to ask if spemall are reliable? i noticed their price are quite reasonable. i want to buy one from spemall. looking forward your suggestion
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Sure! I wouldn't buy phones from anybody else. They have fast shipping, also a TAX free solution to Europe. You can get the phones about 7-10 working days and they are very helpful if you have any trouble.
So, I can recommend them. :good:
Not really sure why they went with the weaker camera on this. The IMX386 in the Mi 5s and Google Pixel & Pixel XL is much better. This has 10MP more, but who the hell makes massive prints of phone photos? Anyone? Ever? Didn't think so.
mudnightoil said:
Not really sure why they went with the weaker camera on this. The IMX386 in the Mi 5s and Google Pixel & Pixel XL is much better. This has 10MP more, but who the hell makes massive prints of phone photos? Anyone? Ever? Didn't think so.
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Actually the camera is very decent, there is nothing to blame on Xiaomi for this, just look the pictures. They are very sharp and the dynamic range is perfect.
tibcsi0407 said:
Actually the camera is very decent, there is nothing to blame on Xiaomi for this, just look the pictures. They are very sharp and the dynamic range is perfect.
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I have looked .... it looks passable in good / uniform light. Poor dynamic range and loads of noise in low / mixed light. It's nowhere close to the IMX386.
mudnightoil said:
I have looked .... it looks passable in good / uniform light. Poor dynamic range and loads of noise in low / mixed light. It's nowhere close to the IMX386.
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It looks much better in the full resolution pictures. I repeat, this picture quaility has no rival in the price segment. Actually it makes better pictures compared to the Mi5S.
I am not able to post video for some reason, so here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oDTOgw2hk
Does it play x265/hevc well? (use mx player + custom codec)
This is the thing I'm looking for in my next phone.
test file: http://jell.yfish.us/media/jellyfish-250-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit.mkv
from http://jell.yfish.us/
My Nvidia Shield TV & Google Pixel C play this with zero effort (both have the Nvidia Tegra X1 chip)
SoreGums said:
Does it play x265/hevc well? (use mx player + custom codec)
This is the thing I'm looking for in my next phone.
test file: http://jell.yfish.us/media/jellyfish-250-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit.mkv
from http://jell.yfish.us/
My Nvidia Shield TV & Google Pixel C play this with zero effort (both have the Nvidia Tegra X1 chip)
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Played without any issue!
tibcsi0407 said:
On the bottom we have the type-C port and two speaker grills, but only one of them hides a speaker.
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Firstly, fantastic work and nice review. Now send it to me so I may do the same?
So...whats the point of 2 speaker like grils if there's only 1 single firing speaker? A strange 'cosmetic' decision? Is there anytihng behind it?
RoOSTA
roosta said:
Firstly, fantastic work and nice review. Now send it to me so I may do the same?
So...whats the point of 2 speaker like grils if there's only 1 single firing speaker? A strange 'cosmetic' decision? Is there anytihng behind it?
RoOSTA
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Thank you, I am happy that you were satisfied. I am very beginner in reviews, also my English needs some polishing because I didn't use it a long time ago.
I think they just simply wanted to keep the symmetry of the design. Anyway this speaker does the job very well, I would say it is as loud as two speaker in any other phone.
Ofcourse it doesn't better than Axon 7, but still, it's good.
tibcsi0407 said:
Thank you, I am happy that you were satisfied. I am very beginner in reviews, also my English needs some polishing because I didn't use it a long time ago.
I think they just simply wanted to keep the symmetry of the design. Anyway this speaker does the job very well, I would say it is as loud as two speaker in any other phone.
Ofcourse it doesn't better than Axon 7, but still, it's good.
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My question was more about what the other speaker hole is covering, since there is only 1 (one) speaker?! Do you still have the phone? If so, I'd really like to see a video or photo of the LED notification light?
Is there any issue with taking a phone call on SIM 2 while you are using data / 4G on SIM 1? The new snapdragon processor should allow this. I've asked the question on this board and it looks to be confirmed. Just wanted to ask this to another user opf the phone. I assume your phone was CN Shina mode, not global?
If you had global ROmM phone, I need someone to actually confirm that band 28 700Mhz is actually a confirme/working LTE 4G band on this phone. Reports conflict.
mudnightoil said:
I have looked .... it looks passable in good / uniform light. Poor dynamic range and loads of noise in low / mixed light. It's nowhere close to the IMX386.
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Preceisely. In dimmish light, the pictures aren't bad, in very low light/night time, the photos are horrible. Seems like a sub-par sensor despite its boost in megapixel resolution. the DOF is very shallow...can you shoot in manual mode, or change shutter, ISO, aperture?
RoOSTA
roosta said:
My question was more about what the other speaker hole is covering, since there is only 1 (one) speaker?! Do you still have the phone? If so, I'd really like to see a video or photo of the LED notification light?
Is there any issue with taking a phone call on SIM 2 while you are using data / 4G on SIM 1? The new snapdragon processor should allow this. I've asked the question on this board and it looks to be confirmed. Just wanted to ask this to another user opf the phone. I assume your phone was CN Shina mode, not global?
If you had global ROmM phone, I need someone to actually confirm that band 28 700Mhz is actually a confirme/working LTE 4G band on this phone. Reports conflict.
Preceisely. In dimmish light, the pictures aren't bad, in very low light/night time, the photos are horrible. Seems like a sub-par sensor despite its boost in megapixel resolution. the DOF is very shallow...can you shoot in manual mode, or change shutter, ISO, aperture?
RoOSTA
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I am now sporting with a Redmi 4A, but I will take some photos from the LED later. Actually it's bright and RGB, you can customize it.
The phone is dual-standby, so it should work if you have an LTE card and calling SIM. You will lose the LTE connection if you have a phone call.
From the bands I can't say anything, since we have no LTE B28 in Hungary.
The other speaker hole hides the Microphone. You should check my video linked above.
tibcsi0407 said:
I am now sporting with a Redmi 4A, but I will take some photos from the LED later. Actually it's bright and RGB, you can customize it.
The phone is dual-standby, so it should work if you have an LTE card and calling SIM. You will lose the LTE connection if you have a phone call.
From the bands I can't say anything, since we have no LTE B28 in Hungary.
The other speaker hole hides the Microphone. You should check my video linked above.
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Thanks. You can actually access the hidden menu on most android phones that's Devs and testers use. It will show you the bands it has access to in its radio. Google instructions and maybe see if you can get a screenshot? You can check another post in this board (where I am the OP) and another user who replies has screenshot band selection menu.
RoOSTA
Sent from my LG-H990 using XDA-Developers mobile app
roosta said:
Thanks. You can actually access the hidden menu on most android phones that's Devs and testers use. It will show you the bands it has access to in its radio. Google instructions and maybe see if you can get a screenshot? You can check another post in this board (where I am the OP) and another user who replies has screenshot band selection menu.
RoOSTA
Sent from my LG-H990 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Could you please link it? I know that you can do that on MTK, but for Qualcomm you need the LTEdiscovery app, which needs root. I don't want to root the phone because it's still not mine.
I forgot to answer to your camera questions. Actually I am not a good photographer, also the phone doesn't support the Camera API 2.0
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Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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Xperia Z for me please!
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Will have better colors on the Z tablet
I don't think the price will be the same :fingers-crossed: and it's not gonna get updated that fast
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
The resolution on the XZ is better than the N10 because it's more practical. At 10+ inches away you won't see the difference in PPI between the two displays. And the lower resolution (but still FHD) display will use less CPU/GPU power and battery. Speaking of battery, 6,000 mAh is pretty small for a 10.1" tablet with a S4 Pro CPU and FHD display. That could be the XZ's Achilles Heal. The rest of the specs are indeed impressive.
Stock Android and stock Nexus are so good and at such a low price that they will keep me happy whilst I receive the timely Android updates
Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
ady_seray said:
N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
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According to numerous sources and GSMarena the nexus 10 has 3.0
If I need 4G/LTE, I'll just tether it to my Verizon phone I already have.
Otherwise, I see nothing in that list which would cause me to jump ship or even give a second thought about.
More than happy with the design and engineering on the N10.
404 ERROR said:
Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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There's a similar debate about the value of PPI going on in the DNA forums. It matters less than you think. This is from that discussion...
BarryH_GEG said:
The biggest discussion point for newer devices like the N10 and now the DNA/Butterfly are their awesome displays. The thing people lose sight of (no pun intended) is that the human eye is only capable of processing and resolving images at a certain level. Any detail beyond that level is literally wasted. The 20/20 human eye has a maximum visual acuity of 1 arcminute. That is, two points must subtend an angle greater than 1 arcminute in order for a 20/20 eye to resolve the two points. What this means for displays is that pixels must have an angular subtense of 1 arcminute or greater in order for your eye to resolve the detail in the content. Detail below 1 arcminute isn't perceived by the human eye any differently whether a display has 267 PPI or 441 PPI. This is the reason Apple landed on the resolution they did hence the name "retina display." For example, the N2 has an arcminute subtense of 1.073 arcminutes which is nearly perfect and it has a PPI of 267. The DNA has an acrminute subtense of .66 and PPI of 441 which is a waste because anything below "1" can't be resolved by the human eye.
So super high definition displays are more a marketing gimmick, draw more CPU power, and drain the battery faster with the end result being your eyes won't notice any difference. I don't know what the exact numbers are for the Note and N10 but at 147 PPI the Note's above 1 arcminute and at 299 PPI the N10's below it. So you'll notice a difference on text and CGI (but not images and video) but it's not as pronounced as some people here have said unless they have super-human vision. And with the new fixation on resolution things like brightness, contrast, and color accuracy get swept under the rug because all people are focusing on is a PPI count rather than the actual quality of the display. In those areas the Note’s display outperforms the N10’s. And the 1080P display on the DNA isn’t as good in those areas as the 720P display on the One X it's supposedly better than. Remember that when you're salivating over a 441 PPI 1080P smartphone that’s going to be hyped to death this year.
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orangechoochoo said:
I bet if the Note2 had a 1080 screen owners would brag about it instead of saying that you can't tell the difference. If we cannot discern the difference between 720 and 1080 way is the S4 and other phones coming out with 1080 since it makes no difference?
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BarryH_GEG said:
You realize that with the human eye being the lowest common denominator the selection of PPI is being done ass backwards? Deciding on the optimum PPI for any given device should be an arithmatec equation; not manufacturers arbitrarily pulling numbers our of thier butts to out-feature each other. The above posts that talk about what the human eye can process are irrefutable fact. With an arcminute of "1" ideal for the human eye to process detail, the manufacturers should pick the lowest PPI that acheives "1" arcminute at 10-12" away which is the typical distance a smartphone is viewed. Why the lowest? Because the higher the PPI the bigger the drain on the battery, GPU, and CPU. And why reduce the performance of a device when the end result is the human eye can't process the additional detail being provided anyway? In addition, to achieve higher PPI, displays are suffering in brightness, contrast, and color reproduction. But nobody cares because they get to tell their friends "look, I've got a 1080P display!" Based on the numbers, outside of PPI, the One X has a better display than the DNA. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened between the SGS3's 720P display and the SGS4's 1080P display (unless SAMOLED scales differently). In the end none of this matters because whether it makes sense or not we're all going to end up with 1080P displays one way or the other because that's where manufacturer's marketing is taking us.
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And this is a good article explaining why pics and videos won't seem any sharper on a 720P, 1080P, or the N10's unique resolution display. And everything gets upscaled on the N10 which doesn't help with detail and image quality.
For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
I skimmed through your post and I apologize beforehand if I'm missing some nuances in your post, but I think you misread my post completely. The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text which is why I mentioned "text clarity." It is also why I said, if there is a sudden surge of 1440p displays, the N10's high resolution will be better than 1080p. This is simply because 1080p displays will be considered old tech and designers and such will move on to support 1440p displays. The chances of 1440p being adopted to be the standard this year is probably 0%.
I never said it mattered. In fact I always thought PPI is a gimmick and will always be a gimmick beyond 220ish.
Also, just to put it out there, I maintain a theme to up-res the icons on the N10 so those icons don't get upscaled; I'm pretty sure I know what drawbacks there are with having such a high resolution screen.
Another thing - you talk about image quality, but you quote someone talking about photos. Things that are drawn on a computer will be clearer than a photo by a long shot. Those types of images can take advantage of such a high resolution screen. Photography on the other hand really doesn't matter what resolution you view it on for the reason you quoted.
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The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
BarryH_GEG said:
I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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You're right in that if you hold it 10" away you won't see a difference. Unfortunately not all people do and there will always be people who can discern that difference.
I am also considering the Xperia Z tablet against the Nexus 10, here's a better comparison (taken from GSMArena).
Nexus 10
General 2G Network N/A
SIM No
Body Dimensions 263.9 x 177.6 x 8.9 mm (10.39 x 6.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight 603 g (1.33 lb)
Display Type Super PLS TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 2560 x 1600 pixels, 10.1 inches (~299 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
Sound Alert types N/A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot No
Internal 16/32 GB, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes, dual side
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592х1936 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected], check quality
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP
Features OS Android OS, v4.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradable to v4.2.1 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Exynos 5250
CPU Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15
GPU Mali-T604
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging Email, Push Email, IM, RSS
Browser HTML5
Radio No
GPS Yes, with GLONASS
Java No
Colors Black
- SNS integration
- HDMI port
- MP4/H.264/DivX/WMV player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/WMA/Flac player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 9000 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 500 h
Talk time Up to 9 h (multimedia)
Misc SAR US 1.38 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.21 W/kg (body)
Price group [About 310 EUR]
Tests Display Contrast ratio: 878 (nominal)
Loudspeaker Voice 68dB / Noise 66dB / Ring 67dB
Audio quality Noise -82.3dB / Crosstalk -81.4dB
Camera Photo / Video
Xperia Z Tablet
General 2G Network
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 2100 / 800
4G Network LTE 1800 / 1500 / 2100
SIM Micro-SIM
Announced 2013, January
Status Coming soon. Exp. release 2013, Q1
Body Dimensions 266 x 172 x 6.9 mm (10.47 x 6.77 x 0.27 in)
Weight 495 g (1.09 lb)
- IP57 certified - dust and water proof
Display Type LED-backlit LCD, capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 1200 x 1920 pixels, 10.1 inches (~224 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Sony Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
Sound Alert types N\A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- 3D surround sound enhancement
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 64 GB
Internal 32 GB storage, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
Speed HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 37.5 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, dual-band, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0
Camera Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 2.2 MP, [email protected]
Features OS Android OS, v4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), planned upgrade to v4.2 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8064
CPU Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait
GPU Adreno 320
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, compass
Messaging Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML
Radio No
GPS Yes
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black, White
- SNS integration
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 6000 mAh battery
If it was $399.99 and battery didn't suck I would probably get it. It also depends on whether or not I sell my Nexus 4 for a Xperia Z. My tablet will match my phone. Lol
Also depends on which is available in Canada first. More nexus 10 shipments or the the Xperia Z tablet in Canada
I also wish that they stuck with the 9.4 inch screen of their older models.
Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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299ppi>224ppi. I can see a big difference between 299 and 224 ppi. I prefer the nexus 10. I want 4k on 10".
lKBZl said:
and it's not gonna get updated that fast
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Sony is one of the most AOSP friendly manufactures out there so I doubt it. I am a Nexus guy for life but Sony builds some quality stuff and are good with updates. As fast as Nexus no, but they won't Samsung it and sit on an update for a year and update it at the same time Google releases that versions replacement.
rookiegenius said:
Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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The upper-bound threshold's been set by the Note 10.1 (32GB $549), N10 (32GB $499), and TF700 (32GB $499). So with 32GB of storage the Xperia Z won't be more than $499 (the Note gets away with more because of S Pen). If Sony's smart they'll price it at $449 to gain some traction in the market. Asus only sold 250K 10.1" tablets a month in Q3 and the TF300 had a MSRP of $349. High-end Android tablets just don't sell well. The Note 10.1 was selling a million a month in Q3 so that makes it an exception. We'll see if that run rate continued in to Q4 when analysts disect Samsung's earnings. Also keep in mind that the specs shown are for the Japanese market Xperia Z. The global and U.S versions could be different. And until something's confirmed at MWC next month we don't even know for sure if there will be global and U.S. versions.
Honor 10 WishlistThe Honor 9 was a big improvement over the Honor 8, taking many people's criticisms and implementing new features to fix them. For owners of the Honor 9, what are you hoping to see in the next installment of this phone line? What can the Honor 10 do to be even better?
Here are some things I would like to see in the next phone:
1440 x 2560 Resolution
Android Oreo
3500+ mAh battery
Improved selfie camera
Water resistant
What would you like to see in the Honor 10?
Rommco05 said:
Camera optical stabilization
Steel on back
Biggest battery
Stereo reproductors
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Hope for Snapdragon chipset
Rommco05 said:
Something realistic
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If this happens with uni metal body , i will select honor again.
Add only stereo speakers to what you already said, it'll be perfect
Rommco05 said:
Kirin 970 + metal body + stereo rep + bigger battery + little bit bigger screen
Anyway I will buy Honor 10
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Snapdragon
Adreno gpu> 540 may be new one
Bigger battery >3500
Metal body
Stero speakers
Fingerprint -backside it would be perfect,front side looks ugly and covers the phone space
Android oreo
Quick charging.
Forget snapdragon, honor will never use something other than kirin chipset in its higher end devices
Honor 5x has tons of ROMs because of SD
I hope for SD.
Rommco05 said:
Headphones jack
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That's an Essential (pun intended)
Rommco05 said:
Headphones jack
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If they don't add it , it would be definetly a failure.
For me definately:
1. Optical Image Stabilization
2. OLED Screen
I want a side mounted fingerprint scanner/power button.
That would be awesome
Many of are not fans of side mounted fps.by side mounting it was is difficult to use other hand finger.
Honor 9 is a great phone and after two months still a pleasure to use everyday.
I would like the Honor 10 to have almost exactly the same design as Honor 9 which is beautiful, but transposed onto the body dimensions of the Honor 6x, with a 5.5" screen with 1440x2560 resolution. This size will allow a better battery life. Keep the fps where it is on a front home button. Update the chipset to Kirin 970, go one generation better for Gorilla Glass (I believe this means updating to Gorilla Glass 3), waterproof that, and I will definitely buy it.
keep the dimension, if possible increase battery capacity, ois and oled screen for better low light and better battery life. oh, and stereo speaker? wait, waterproofing too.
Narrow frame
Top and bottom sides have big parts than it needs.
Screen body ratio is terrible for this quality
Front facing stereo speakers
What I would like to see on the Honor 10:
Screen:
- same size, I like one handed usability
Body:
- metal unibody for better heat dissipation and less fragility
- waterproofing would be nice
- headphone jack is a must
- fingerprint on the back, for smaller bezzels, maybe
Camera:
- at least f/1.9 aperture, for low ligh, same sensors, same autofocus
- OIS
Performance:
- Kirin 970
- 4GB RAM + 64GB flash should be enough
- again, heat dissipation
Software:
- at least two years of constant updates.
- this is the biggest flaw of Huawei devices, the lack of updates after the first year. And it's becoming a bigger issue, as time passes and bad reputation grows. Get your **** together Huawei
Misc:
- IR blaster is always nice
-in order to keep the price in the same range of sub 400 Euros, I'd keep a similar battery, screen, fast charging options, maybe even USB standard, stereo speakers and other fancy stuff. If you're into that, go for the Huawei P or Mate series
- I feel that as long as the latest Honor device outperforms last year's Galaxy, while keeping a low price, it should do ok. And yes, except for waterproofing, I believe the Honor 9 is a better device than the S7
18:9 display aspect screen since it's the new trend.
Improved audio ( since huawei has been rated the lowest quality of audio output).
Stereo speakers.
Rest what you said.
I hope Honor/Huawei listens us.
venugopalu007 said:
Hope for Snapdragon chipset
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That is probably never gonna happen. As the Honor is owned by Huawei and they do prefer to use their own HiSilicon Kirin SOCs. Which is much better than Qualcomm's Snapdragon's range of SOCs.
Ois in camera?
Dualsim AND sdcard
The New ZTE Axon 9 Pro! Global/China
What do you think of the new design and specs?
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ZTE Axon 9 Pro(A2019-Pro) SpecificationsDisplay6.21-inch AMOLED Notch full screen, 18.7:9, FHD+ (1080×2248), HDR 10
SOC+GPU
Qualcomm snapdragon 845 (SDM845), Kryo 385 eight-core: 4 × 2.649GHz + 4 × 1.7GHz , 10nm process
RAM+Storage
6GB RAM + 64GB ROM
8GB RAM + 256GB ROM
2TB external Micro SD card compatible
Front camera
20MP, smart beauty, face unlock, f/2.0
Rear camera
12MP, 1.4um, optical image stabilization, dual pixel focus, f/1.75 + 20MP 130 degree wide wide angle
Audio
Dual stereo speakers, Dolby Atmos HiFi;
Battery
4000mAh, QC4.0 fast charge, support wireless charging
Network
TDD-LTE: B34/38/39/40/41 (100MHz);
FDD-LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/18/19/20/25 /26/28/32;
TD-SCDMA: B34/39;
WCDMA: B1/2/4/5/8;
CDMA 1X/EVDO: BC0/1/10;
GSM: B2/3/5/8
Wireless connection
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac 2.4/5GHz, support 2×2 MIMO; Bluetooth 5.0;
GPS
GPS/A-GPS/Beidou/GLONASS/Galileo
System Platform
MiFavor 6.0 (based on Android 8.0)
Interface
USB Type-C, nano SIM card + nano SIM card / Micro SD card three choice two
Sensors
Gravitational acceleration, light / close, an electronic compass, a gyroscope, a hall, the RGB color temperature sensor;
positioning;
Safety
Built-in independent encryption chip, can be customized to support dual system, the NFC identification card; IP68 protection level; Other professional image processing chip; back fingerprint
Dimensions
156.5 × 74.5 × 7.9mm
ZTE Axon 9 Pro(A2019G-Pro) SpecificationsDisplay
6.21-inch AMOLED
2,248 x 1,080 resolution
18.7:9 aspect ratio
SoC
10nm, 64-bit, octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 845
GPU
Adreno 630
RAM
6GB
Storage
128GB UFS 2.1
Non-expandable
Cameras
Rear:
Main camera: 12MP sensor, f/1.75 aperture, 1.4 micron pixels, OIS
Secondary camera: 20MP super wide-angle sensor (130 degree field of view)
Front: 20MP sensor
Audio
Stereo speakers, surround sound with Dolby Atmos technology
No headphone jack
Surround sound recording with three microphones
Battery
4,000mAh battery
Non-removable
Wireless charging
IP rating
IP68
Connectivity
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac (2.4/5GHz)
2x2 MIMO
Bluetooth 5.0
USB Type-C
NFC
Location: GPS, Galileo, Glonass, BeiDou
SIM
Single nano-SIM
Software
Android 8.1 Oreo with ZTE "Stock plus"
Dimensions
156.5 x 74.5 x 7.9mm
Here is some real proof of the anticipated voyage!
Links for grabs:
Engaget gets hands on with video and specs
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/30/zte-axon-9-pro-hands-on/
Chinese news forum proof
http://www.myzte.cn/thread-353357-1-1.html
Courtesy of Pocketnow
https://pocketnow.com/zte-axon-9-ifa-2018
Phone Arena
Leaked Ad! Hope not?!
https://www.phonearena.com/news/zte-axon-9-pro-ifa-announcement-official-product-image_id108031
More info to come as it goes further...
No headphone jack, no DAC, no front speakers, ugly generic design. No thanks. If this is true, then I'm not buying the new line of Axons. I'm sticking with my 7 until it dies, unless these leaks are a lie and has all of the above, and buying the new oneplus lineup
All is OK, but rear speakers!
Blue color is ugly.
Teet1 said:
No headphone jack, no DAC, no front speakers, ugly generic design. No thanks. If this is true, then I'm not buying the new line of Axons. I'm sticking with my 7 until it dies, unless these leaks are a lie and has all of the above, and buying the new oneplus lineup
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Where did you get the 'no headphone jack, no DAC' part? They don't say anything about that. I don't believe they will abandon those two since every Axon (not sure about the C2017, but all of the others, Axon, Axon Pro, and all of those) had the AK4490.
I've read from different pages and they don't mention a thing about audio.
Besides that, there is one thing that I love about the design. The S8, OP5T, Mate 10 pro, they all have that useless chin below, and they just add on-screen buttons. The perfect solution is either an IPhone-like screen and navbar buttons below (like an upside-down Mi Mix) or capacitive buttons on the chin just like this one (Or at least the fingerprint sensor there, like the regular Mate 10, then add fingerprint gestures).
What would we get first Oreo or the axon 9 ?
???
Rear speakers kill the best of axon line, if it's real, except the processor, for me, axon 7 is still better
luisaet82 said:
What would we get first Oreo or the axon 9 ?
???
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the ETA is April, so Oreo. Plus the A2017 already has Oreo.
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Where did you get the 'no headphone jack, no DAC' part? They don't say anything about that. I don't believe they will abandon those two since every Axon (not sure about the C2017, but all of the others, Axon, Axon Pro, and all of those) had the AK4490.
I've read from different pages and they don't mention a thing about audio.
Besides that, there is one thing that I love about the design. The S8, OP5T, Mate 10 pro, they all have that useless chin below, and they just add on-screen buttons. The perfect solution is either an IPhone-like screen and navbar buttons below (like an upside-down Mi Mix) or capacitive buttons on the chin just like this one (Or at least the fingerprint sensor there, like the regular Mate 10, then add fingerprint gestures).
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The renders lack a headphone jack it seems, andl especially because of the screen. No headphone jack, no DAC
Teet1 said:
The renders lack a headphone jack it seems, andl especially because of the screen. No headphone jack, no DAC
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I see a very tiny imperfection on the top of the phone. Look carefully there.
Plus many bezel-less phones have a headphone jack. take the s8/s9/note8 for example. i think the OP5T also has one. Apple said it was to get more space but in reality I don't think you have a lack of space on a 6" device
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I see a very tiny imperfection on the top of the phone. Look carefully there.
Plus many bezel-less phones have a headphone jack. take the s8/s9/note8 for example. i think the OP5T also has one. Apple said it was to get more space but in reality I don't think you have a lack of space on a 6" device
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That looks too small for a headphone jack doesn't it? Very low quality pictures though...I think it might be a mic hole. If it's not up there, then I hope it's at the bottom. I just hope it doesn't have the speakers at the back side. Everything else is fine but it doesnt have the things that made the Axon 7 popular in the first place. I even remember taking a survey provided by ZTE from Newegg where I bought the phone about a few months asking me what I would want to find in a new Axon phone. A lot of the questions asked about the speakers and audio.
It makes me believe it's either some other phone in the Axon line, since the CEO mentioned there will be three Axon tiers. Tier A, B and C and maybe this could be that "midrange B" tier .
Then that makes the one with speakers, headphone jack, and a DAC the flagship Tier A pricing over $600 to $700
Which just doesn't make sense from a company like ZTE when there are so many over marketed phones in that price range like the Galaxies, people will choose those over this one simply because of how many people are familiar with a company like Samsung or even a Google device like the Pixel lines.
Teet1 said:
That looks too small for a headphone jack doesn't it? Very low quality pictures though...I think it might be a mic hole. If it's not up there, then I hope it's at the bottom. I just hope it doesn't have the speakers at the back side. Everything else is fine but it doesnt have the things that made the Axon 7 popular in the first place. I even remember taking a survey provided by ZTE from Newegg where I bought the phone about a few months asking me what I would want to find in a new Axon phone. A lot of the questions asked about the speakers and audio.
It makes me believe it's either some other phone in the Axon line, since the CEO mentioned there will be three Axon tiers. Tier A, B and C and maybe this could be that "midrange B" tier .
Then that makes the one with speakers, headphone jack, and a DAC the flagship Tier A pricing over $600 to $700
Which just doesn't make sense from a company like ZTE when there are so many over marketed phones in that price range like the Galaxies, people will choose those over this one simply because of how many people are familiar with a company like Samsung or even a Google device like the Pixel lines.
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It's not small at all. Notice how the whole side of the phone has a frame. Our phone has a very rounded back, that's why it's so noticeable in the axon 7. But that phone has a frame, so the jack is much less noticeable. just look at it some time and you'll see that it has just the right size to be a 3.5mm jack.
They may have gotten rid of the front firing speakers. I personally don't care, I bought it for everything else - if it came out with a reasonable price (say, $500 - 550) i wouldn't think twice.
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It's not small at all. Notice how the whole side of the phone has a frame. Our phone has a very rounded back, that's why it's so noticeable in the axon 7. But that phone has a frame, so the jack is much less noticeable. just look at it some time and you'll see that it has just the right size to be a 3.5mm jack.
They may have gotten rid of the front firing speakers. I personally don't care, I bought it for everything else - if it came out with a reasonable price (say, $500 - 550) i wouldn't think twice.
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You might be right, but time will tell. Hopefully soon more leaks come or they'll announce it. I like the front speakers, but if the price range is say more than 500-600, i may as well get another better phone with that price range. I'm picky, it must have front speakers for me I take advantage of them all the time.
I honestly hope they don't omit, what was in most people's opinion, the best part of the Axon 7: incredible front facing speakers. If they fail to include them they are going to lose a huge part of the Axon following. I definitely won't be buying it without them.
I would like to see a desing with no hardware buttons, and a bigger screen :3
I too bought the Axon 7 for the front facing stereo speakers alone. Without them I might as well have bought a OnePlus phone. I'd rather have some sort of gesture-based navigation system (like on the iPhone X or like OnePlus is experimenting with) than losing the stereo speakers...
Don't know whether this info is right or not but some sites confirm a 3.5mm jack...
https://www.gsmarena.com/zte_axon_9-9069.php
https://www.pdevice.com/product/zte-axon-9-price-specs
Axon 9 without anything from Axon 7 (except amoled), it will fail! I am lucky to have Axon 7! =)
I'm a huge fan of the front stereo speakers. It was one of my main attractions to the Axon 7. Not sure about this new one.
And even though it's pretty cool that the fingerprint ready is under the display, I personally like the placement on the back. I can unlock it with only one hand when it's on the back, rather than one hand holding the phone and the other to unlock.
Ugh, this doesn't look like an upgrade at all. It's a completely different phone. They might as well give this a different name all together. I mean, it looks very nice and all, don't get me wrong. But to me, an Axon is all about the speakers and sound! If this is truly the next Axon I am very disappointed.
HallOfPromise said:
I'm a huge fan of the front stereo speakers. It was one of my main attractions to the Axon 7. Not sure about this new one.
And even though it's pretty cool that the fingerprint ready is under the display, I personally like the placement on the back. I can unlock it with only one hand when it's on the back, rather than one hand holding the phone and the other to unlock.
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I agree with a lot of this:
The fingerprint scanner placement on the Axon 7 is perfect - my index finger goes right there automatically and I like unlocking with one hand.
The audio capabilities were a big deal to me, both the relatively loud front-facing speakers and the good DAC. And I require a headphone jack (and microSD).
The price was also a big factor for me - $350 (6 mo. or so after launch) vs $500+ for most comparable phones.
If the Axon 9 changes these things, I see little reason for me to buy it, even though I've been very happy with my first ZTE device. I'll stick with my Axon 7 for a while longer, and upgrade to something that fits my preferences better when the time comes. Not a deal breaker for me, but the Axon 9 pics I've seen make it look generic and kind of cheap.
Slimmer bezels are always a good idea, but I'd rather keep the 5.5" screen and make the casing smaller than keep the same size casing and grow the screen to fit it. That would allow me to use the phone much more comfortably with one hand
I don't see anything in that article that is written in stone. The images are so low res that they could be a total computer generated mock up and even if the leaked specs are correct, they are very vague at best. Although would be very interesting to have an under-screen fingerprint scanner!
One thing I have learned over the years is to take all mobile phone leaks with a massive pinch of salt. Best bet... just wait and see! April is not far away and besides, we still have one, if not thee best bang for buck smartphone on the market even after being released 2016. All the big smartphone manufacturers would have EOL'ed a device by now but not ZTE.
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Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
saved-j said:
most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
saved-j said:
you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....
See:
Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra review: Refined to near perfection
The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is a more refined Galaxy S22 Ultra, and while it might have features you don't need, it's one of the best.
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I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
blackhawk said:
I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Time will tell. I doubt it will improve the SOT much. There's also the burden of the variable refresh rate display. Not sure how much more scoped storage impacts battery life but it requires more cpu cycles.
Starting with the N20U the batteries have gotten bigger, as has the thickness and weight of all the Samsung flagships. At the same time even with the larger capacity batteries the SOT decreased.
Poor form factor and performance balance have now become Samsung's flagship hallmark.
Their last great flagship remains the N10+. No 5G or variable refresh rate display but more functional with a display color/gamma accuracy/calibration that likely exceeds all those that followed. If Samsung adopted a fixed 90hz display refresh rate much better color/gamma accuracy could be achieved. They won't do this because Samsung is now marketing hype rather than performance driven. Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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Agreed, I wouldn't get the 5G N10+ variant. With an unlimited grandfathered 4G data plan it's a no brainer. Since 5G started rolling out 4G has even better bandwidth. Because many websites limit data speeds even the 4G download speed isn't fully utilized most times. The power drain of 5G remains an issue on the newer models as does the SOC, display and camera. They reached the thermal limits of the available surface area. The N10+ can operate at a 99F ambient temperature doing internet browsing with no cooling for an extended time because it's using less power and producing less waste heat.
Storage is inadequate and expensive on all models after the N20U.
30 gms heavier, worse display/ratio and a much worse SOT than the N10+. Not a well balanced flagship at all. S23U is more of the same... bs.
The claims that Android 11, 12 or 13 are more efficient than 9 I have severe doubts about. Even if Google implements a more efficient file system the overhead of scoped storage* remains. I like to see a side by side comparison on a N10+ running on 9 vs 10, 11 and 12. No one does that.
*In Android 10 scoped storage isn't fully active. It doesn't seem faster than Pie and SOT may be slightly worse. Still playing with my other N10+ that was factory loaded with Q. I prefer Pie as it's more functional and easier to troubleshoot.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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Expect another hand warmer...
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Expect another hand warmer...
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I hope not.
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I hope not.
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Don't be the first to buy it. Samsung's recent track record speaks for itself. Besides they'll be more desperate after 6 months to sell the excess units. Predictably there will be a shortage of 1 and .5tb variants though.
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Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
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Not my second language...
dazed1 said:
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
blackhawk said:
The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
dazed1 said:
The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
blackhawk said:
Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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dazed1 said:
Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
blackhawk said:
Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Its not real 1'' but its very big, its bigger then Sony RX100 for example, its 132mm2, and sensor size doesnt matter as much when you got 30 frames stacked, that remove like 80% of the noise, and bring much more "light" into the sensor. No need to believe, ive seen the results,
And low light action shots? Books and parked cars don't move... people do.