This is not intended to be mean to the ap team but i am posting this because i feel they should of been honest to us from the beginning and just said we can't release yet. My reasons for feeling this way are listed below
1. About 1 month after pk3 dual was released, pawel and the rest of the team changed their signature to rom: top secret and it had been like that even after hdubli posted a ported copy of wm6.1.... why did'nt pawel post a wm6.1 rom when he changed rom to top secret?
2. the team keeps saying stuff like we have a BT bug or screen problems and i realize that there are some updates on the ati driver and stuff but the BT stack that is on the wm6.1 that hdubli released works great. i can use a BT mouse and a BT keyboard, and BT headphone all at the same time and it works great. I can provide a vid if there are doubts
3. Most is importantly even BoyGeniusReport says http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/28/htcs-manilla-gets-screenshotted/ this rom is from the x7510. something i said on the "Athena Project 4.0 coming, but needs...." post 228 but pawel denied this is post 229
in conclusion everyone should stop looking for the release of this rom and start looking for the release of the x7510 cause then and only then will this rom be released. I am only posting this so people can have a realistic outlook on the rom and can stop being dissapointed everyday in the hope it will be released. I did not post this to come down on the team i just feel like there is so much tension on this fourm and i wanted to make my thoughts known.
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Hypothetically speaking...
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
ok dude the rom is a 7510 rom but no way do i have to wait for it to be released. there still isn't a solid release date. the rom i could give u right now but it needs to properly be tested and bugs be fixed. we release with bugs, u guys complain, we look bad. i can take complaining before the rom then praises when it comes out.
also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
toastedlogic said:
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
Go Knights!
irus said:
1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
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No kidding - I'm planning on getting back to school this fall myself. Live right around the corner from the Uni. No Halo, since my box was red-lighting again just before my damn cat knocked a cup of water over onto the PSU for it. So i've got a little bit of work to get my box working again... oh yeah and I was banned from Live just before all that too (modded firmware), so yeah I did play halo. Meh
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also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
tomary said:
i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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oooouch, i think that might be a little harsh. You forget they have already posted 3 roms so i think the people who have donated got their moneys worth
My first thought for the team is if you WANT to release, then there's nothing wrong with realeasing a beta--paid software makers do it all the time. Here is a beta with known bugs. Da-ta-da-tada. There's likely unknown bugs too--user beware. That's why its beta. Heck, while its not as optimal,some companies (cough, cough, microsoft,) can release betas as the real deal.
For free (please donations accepted look at the value) roms/software, the bar shouldn't be higher than that of the commercial stuff.
It's funny how this just suddenly went down hill with all the slandering etc etc... I appreciate the time EVERYONE on the AP Team took to make what was (and most of us if not ALL enjoyed it) and what is to be. I personally donated as a sign of gratitude and saying thank you, heck I would've donated if they had even asked for some sort of donation just to teach how they did it instead of releasing a new ROM. Some of you guys are just down right ungreatful and quickly forget all the hard work and time they Team puts in to stand behind their wonderful ROMS. And lets not forget the tons of apps they cook in the ROMS too. So what's the big deal if people want to donate I did it and I'll be doing it again in the near future.
If the team DOES NOT want to release. That is the team's perogative also. This seeming to hang forever on the edge of release is a little nerve wracking and is hard on the fan base,but so what? If we, the fan base, donate less--really--donations are piddly anyway. The team needs to do what they do for the fun of it and the satisfaction of it.
I think it's about time this ROM was released, bugs'n all. Just release as a Beta.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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thanx just dont like people saying i cant release this until the 7510 is out. i released snapvue before the shift was out and that was ok. i'll also release this new rom before the 7510 is out. i'll also be able to provide details when the 7510 is out and about what the price should be.
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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you are really getting out of hand. u donate if u like. i provided 4 roms to everyone already. people wanted a vanilla so im making a vanilla. i guess u can't make everyone happy.
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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If you don't mind I don't like getting my hopes up (again). So I'll put it on my calendar for Friday. I'm not hoping for it to be released before that (or maybe I am but trying not to). Dare I say it...? You're not going to disappoint us are you?
And please note. I greatly appreciate your hard work. That’s why I donated! But checking every day to find out that it’s not released it getting a bit tedious . Considering it has been hanging close to being released for quite some time now.
Awaiting delivery
it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer ):
Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);
What's your timezone?
NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
But everybody have overreacted. Ofc you have some work to do in priority but terminating the project was not everybody's goal... So I am sure of that everybody want you to continue this project. And even I didn't i am sorry for "cool sarcastic guys".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12595261&postcount=2
Please read this post from 2. April 2011.
We can learn together... but this takes time.
Many time. Months, maybe years...
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1.
Android port needs extreme deep knowledge...
2.
Also you need time...
Result is.
Few of the Developers from this project now high skilled in Reversing Bootloader, FOTA, Hardware etc.
They are now much smarter then before.
Maybe 1 day in future project will continue...
Again.
This project is HARDEST task.
Project reached bottleneck and stopped now... temporary... like other Android ports before... many other ports never reached 100 % ... after few months...
Maybe finished in 2012, 2013 or maybe never.
Who knows.
Expect not to much.
If you need Android now, then buy Android handset now...
Porting is Education... And Education can take years.
Best Regards
after that time no one will need Android on Wave i think I know this is so hard. But after that far i think giving up is a bad thing. Why? Bc sarcastic morons? Who cares of them. They are just "trying to be badass or entertaining themselves like that ways". I m a student in high school. And in my country high schools are so much harder than other countries. So i wish (really wish) that i could help you but i can't.
Samsung wave de android kullanmak sizce uygun mudur?
KiTTy_xL said:
Samsung wave de android kullanmak sizce uygun mudur?
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Ne demek istediğini tam anlamadım ama anladığım kadarıyla söyleyim. Badadroid projesinin alpha versiyonu bile galaxy ace teki androidden daha stabil ve hızlıydı. Yani gayet de uygundur...
Btw even the alpha version of badadroid (or whatever its name is ) was so much faster than galaxy ace. So i think Android in Wave would be seem much better than Ace...
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after that time no one will need Android on Wave i think I know this is so hard. But after that far i think giving up is a bad thing. Why? Bc sarcastic morons? Who cares of them. They are just "trying to be badass or entertaining themselves like that ways". I m a student in high school. And in my country high schools are so much harder than other countries. So i wish (really wish) that i could help you but i can't.
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While reading this part, i've guessed that you may from Turkey, and on your next message it has been proved. =)
Anyway bro as far as i know and according to my searchings that project is almost impossible. The project really needs deep knowledge and much more time. So, galaxy s2 awaits ! =D
Letherin said:
While reading this part, i've guessed that you may from Turkey, and on your next message it has been proved. =)
Anyway bro as far as i know and according to my searchings that project is almost impossible. The project really needs deep knowledge and much more time. So, galaxy s2 awaits ! =D
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Haha you got me Well there is nothing to do with this "hard" thing at the moment Yeah I know this project requirements but there are dev's in xda who has so much better than you explained And unfortunately in Turkey electronic s and high ended devices are more expensive than other countries But still such a good country isn't it
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Haha you got me Well there is nothing to do with this "hard" thing at the moment Yeah I know this project requirements but there are dev's in xda who has so much better than you explained And unfortunately in Turkey electronic s and high ended devices are more expensive than other countries But still such a good country isn't it
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I've remembered my oldies but goldies university memories because of you thanks anyway ^^ ( but these memories does not consist mid-term and final examz =D )
Lets hope the other developer guys may focus on this, but after a year and the current status of the Bada os, to be honest well its not that shiny anymore for me and i suppose many of bada users too =/
Btw i suggest you to follow Vatan Computer. Once or twice per month, they're making about %20 or %25 discounts on products ( generally over website ).
Ah and for the last part yeah i'm proud of living in Turkey
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I've remembered my oldies but goldies university memories because of you thanks anyway ^^ ( but these memories does not consist mid-term and final examz =D )
Lets hope the other developer guys may focus on this, but after a year and the current status of the Bada os, to be honest well its not that shiny anymore for me and i suppose many of bada users too =/
Btw i suggest you to follow Vatan Computer. Once or twice per month, they're making about %20 or %25 discounts on products ( generally over website ).
Ah and for the last part yeah i'm proud of living in Turkey
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Actually I think everybody will use badadroid in their phones (Dual boot man just dual boot ) Btw if you are Turkish and I am Turkish why are we still speaking in english Well I think speaking in second language is much funnier than native one
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Actually I think everybody will use badadroid in their phones (Dual boot man just dual boot ) Btw if you are Turkish and I am Turkish why are we still speaking in english Well I think speaking in second language is much funnier than native one
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Excatly, dual boot is good alternative way to use android on bada, but i cannot dare to build it on my phone
Two reasons for me to speak English; First one is, it's been looong time for me to speak in English with someone. So this is a good chance for me to make practice ^^
The second reasons is, we may get banned from here because of speaking with other language. Rules are rule !! =D
Hop hop hop, I'll point out that there's a great deal of people here in France who would love to see Android on their samsung waves...
I think the work that has been done is fantastic - Really fantastic work and much much further than for some other handsets. I'm convinced that the key to the problem is finding an android handset with the same modem chip. Surely samsung didn't go to the effort of creating a modem chip specifically for the WAVE & WAVE 2
Lets go looking shall we ?
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Excatly, dual boot is good alternative way to use android on bada, but i cannot dare to build it on my phone
Two reasons for me to speak English; First one is, it's been looong time for me to speak in English with someone. So this is a good chance for me to make practice ^^
The second reasons is, we may get banned from here because of speaking with other language. Rules are rule !! =D
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Oh i didn't realize that :S Actually you can dare it I tried and worked well. If you have a good class of sd card (even class4) you can use Android with dual-boot and believe me it's so much smoother than Samsung Galaxy Ace I couldn't dare try it on bada 2 betas too. But if somebody try it i will too And about the practice thing so am i But it's just ridiculous to speak english with a person who is from my country
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Hop hop hop, I'll point out that there's a great deal of people here in France who would love to see Android on their samsung waves...
I think the work that has been done is fantastic - Really fantastic work and much much further than for some other handsets. I'm convinced that the key to the problem is finding an android handset with the same modem chip. Surely samsung didn't go to the effort of creating a modem chip specifically for the WAVE & WAVE 2
Lets go looking shall we ?
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Yes it's pretty much harder. We just need to driver creator developer but if even that kind of developer exist he is in Samsung or else company. So it became so harder
Ridiculous ? That was mean
Better it is an android to be bought
Sony said that lollipop will come in February but now it's March and lollipop didn't came out.
And which customizations will get it first?
Nobody knows when it will be released, be patient. And nobody knows what customisation versions it will hit first.
Sony will announce it soon, I'm expecting them to announce a release date at some point during MWC.
To be honest the only confirmed date I've read is Q1. But I'd rather wait and get a good build, I've had Samsung devices earlier and they took 3 or 4 extra updates to be good
In Q1 somewhere so in the first 90 days of the new year, have patients !
It bothers me alot of we get threads like this or ask in excisting threads about LP when we get it -__-
Patients is the keyword to wait patiently !!
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Wierdist feeling of Déjà vu. I really thought I was just reading a thread about this topic. Your wasting the interwebs.
But seriously ask Sony not xda.
Please search before posting
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z2/general/lollipop-update-z-series-february-t2998634
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Hi there, I saw out there that development previews of Android O are available to DL and test over several devices (such as Pixel XL), I would have a request, as I dont have the knowledge and material for.
Is there someone interested in the fact of building a port of Android O, 8.0 for our beloved device?
Here is where you can find anything:
https://developer.android.com/preview/overview.html#preview_tools
If I had time I wish one day I could learn about this fascinating world that is Android.
Anyway, thanks for everyone that is reading this.
Cordially,
Oxydeme
Oxydeme said:
Hi there, I saw out there that development previews of Android O are available to DL and test over several devices (such as Pixel XL), I would have a request, as I dont have the knowledge and material for.
Is there someone interested in the fact of building a port of Android O, 8.0 for our beloved device?
Here is where you can find anything:
https://developer.android.com/preview/overview.html#preview_tools
If I had time I wish one day I could learn about this fascinating world that is Android.
Anyway, thanks for everyone that is reading this.
Cordially,
Oxydeme
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We might see android O builds when the OS is officially released (although probably much later). Right now, it is too early to speak because there are some changes and workarounds that will probably have to be done in order to get it working on our device (seeing the pattern with previous android iterations).
Saber
Anyway, it would be so good to be running an O ROM on the sII, currently I'm running LOS Nightly on it and I juste can't believe that an old phone could handle it at this point.
So if O comes to SII, lot of us will be glad.
Thanks for your answer @Saber
May I know if any developer is working to get us Android O
it's Still Beta Developer Preview, so don't be Hurry!
Lol stay calm. Enjoy Noughat. Developers will eventually upgrade to O most probably after stable release in Oct-Nov. Still be happy with near solid Noughat builds. Stability is more important than new version?
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May I know if any developer is working to get us Android O
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Too early lol
Source code is not released. Not possible until google release source code in nov
Way too early for that question. More realistically, maybe in December we'll get the first taste of a somewhat usable O ROM, maybe.
No, because there are no sources available.
Soon