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Just read the shocking news that sonyericsson WILL NOT give any update after the Eclair to the X10 family including the X8.
But all the Android phones they release will have the 2.3.
J read that in sonyericsson UK
That is really a bad news :|
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06...-will-not-receive-upgrade-to-froyo-or-beyond/
and here
http://www.xperiax10.net/2011/01/06...ys-its-android-2-1-update-is-better-than-2-2/
Long live SE! had great experience with SE but now its finally over bb SE!! till never!!
Any update on Froyo ROM for Xperia X10 mini pro?
Paid upgrade
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
I wonder if an unofficial froyo was made for the X10 family ,what would the UI looks like?
I hope this is a rumor anyway or that sonyericsson will listen to the complains.
i wrote a petition... i can't post a link 'cause i'm new but...
the link
Www.petitiononline.com/x10free/petition.html
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the link
Www.petitiononline.com/x10free/petition.html
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Thank you!!
ptpoul said:
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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That's something I don't understand. Is it common for other manufacturers too? I guess not. I see absolutely no reason for those obstructions. As always if You want sell Your phone then usualy use tools to reflash it back to original FW. Nobody will buy hacked phone for no reason. Make phone open is not disadvantage. Only reason is that SE want us to buy new phones and FW should be one of many reasons. They know potentional of X10 phones and they know it can run even gingerbread without any hassle. So that's the only reason I see, the business.
ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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SE said they'd keep working on software updates for (at least? im not sure) 2 years. I do agree that a mediascape-update is quite different from an entire OS-upgrade, but still... The X10 Mini Pro is like 6 months old! What are they thinking of updating for 1.5 year?! The Mediaplayer?!
Still, I've read something about the Mini & Pro being able to get some updates the bigger X10 can't. The topic was about 2.2/2.3 so I just hope this particular post was on-topic. Not quite shure though and I can't find it anymore... :S
ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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SE big and rich company, I think that they have enoth money! If we just paid for new update, its not interesting for se. Most interested - to bring new devices with new software! That's all
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ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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ptpoul said:
I can see why phone makers can't keep on updating their phones to new versions of android or any other OS.
Android evolves quickly and to expect constant upgrades to every new version is a bit much. Also: how long should the manufacturer keep upgrading the phone? 1 year? 2? 3?
I know SE has done many things wrong:
Heavy deep customization of the OS (makes upgrades hard).
Very wide line of hardware and regional version variaition in the same product.
Badly managed software team
I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
Hopefully the x10mini will get ROMs soon. In a perfect world SE would leave the phone truly open and hackable anyway.
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Yes we shouldnt expect infinite upgrades but we should get more than 6 months or so. I think that SE should state how long they should provide support for their products with at least 2 years, as a lot of people have to sign up to plans of this length we they obtain their phone. We all know that these phones are capable of running at least 2.2
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The other thing that should happen is, if they wont support their phone they should open up the bootloader etc so others like the awesome guys here at XDA can support their phones
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I am starting to think of phones as computers. If you want to upgrade from windows xp to windows 7 you pay. If we started paying for upgrades we could demand better faster updates and the company would have a financial reason to do the upgrades. I think this is the most reasonable model. The initial phone cost can't justify eternal upgrades IMO.
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if we had Windows7 phones then yea, I could agree with you, but our phones are essentially Linux powered and Linux is Open source...
I have been running Ubuntu on my laptop for years now and I always get upgraded to the latest version.. free of charge, all SE needs to do is lose the SE bull****, make the phones stock Android (I mean no one buys the phones for timescape) then updates would be easy. (I think thats what they plan to do on their 2nd generation Android phones, I suggest if you want 2.2 or 2.3 you will need to buy a new phone.. the question is wether SE has learnt their lesson with the X10 range.. or if they continue to shoot them selves in the foot with customizations.. I for sure am going to wait a few months before replaceing my X10.. see how the new SE phones are (re bootloader and software) then make my decision on what phone to buy.. I quite like the SE hardware and design (and I was a nokia fan before, but I was sick to death of Symbian) so I have no problems buying an HTC or Samsung next if SE doesn't sort their ****.
anyway.. peace, and hope the our bootloader gets cracked soon.
so let me get this right my x10 mini pro WILL get 2.3 for real???
No .. future releases of new PHONES will get 2.3 according to SE
I was thinking with all this bashing SE thing with the update.. Have we guys ask our selves:
1. When we buy this phone, do SE promise something other than eclair(2.1)
2. when we buy this phone its already 1.6 and they are very transparent with that.
3. do you think SE will upgrade our phone every now and then.
- Linux(Ubuntu) and other alike, gets updated because it is more of a hobby/colaboration of a group "WITHOUT" string attached than commercially produced product(SE). (Correct me if Im wrong but that is only my opinion).
4. Why would they upgrade their product to froyo? you already bought their product, all they need to do is fix bugs/issues that will be found on their current phone with its current OS, either software or Hardware.
5. Upgrading their phone will only make it harder, since they have to support existing user with 1.6, 2.1 and now 2.2 (if froyo will ever get out).
6. So why not make it hackable or install Basic Android.? They will not. because, it will make it harder for them to Identify who's the culprit if they're product/phone dies. They can do it, but they'll have to remove the "support" for their phone.
Guys, Its not that I don't want Froyo or latest software be pushed on my device, but at-least we should also be reasonable with our wishes.
Do you guys, really want Froyo on our X10 Mini, or Do you want Froyo or 2.3 on next generation X10 Mini?
But still want froyo on my x10 mini. hahahahahah
@pongscript
If you take a look, all most all the manufacturers have updated their sets with Froyo, if they can do it, why can't SE? They are not smaller then others, right?
Also if they update the versions all together than the don't have to worry of supporting an outdated version, which would have well known unresolved bugs
Keeping the system updated should not be such not a big deal! They already have all the drivers and stuffs, They just need to make a build with all the updates and put it up in the server. if the XDA guys can do that without having access to all of the necessary drivers and stuffs, WHY IN THE HELL with all the access they can't do it!??
- Linux(Ubuntu) and other alike, gets updated because it is more of a hobby/colaboration of a group "WITHOUT" string attached than commercially produced product(SE). (Correct me if Im wrong but that is only my opinion).
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Wrong, There are few people works out of hobby yes, but in the core there are dedicated people and groups. For Ubuntu its Canonical who provides commercial support and also have a big community support. Also take a look at Redhat Linux.
@TheGame316
PC and Smart phones are not same, yet. In PC you can change the bootloader at your will but in phones you can not as most of the smart phones are locked down (Except Google Nexus series and HTC I think). So you cannot update yourself. If they want to charge for update, they also should free up the boot loaders, so that I can do my own upgrades. But it they are keeping the boot loaders locked, They are bound to give me my upgrades cause they are not letting me do that. Period.
If they decides to dump us then just give us option so that we can get rid of their trash and update our system by ourselves. If they had done that with X10's then I would understand. But they wont do that. And that's why I am dumping them from my buying list next time.
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Keeping the system updated should not be such not a big deal! They already have all the drivers and stuffs, They just need to make a build with all the updates and put it up in the server. if the XDA guys can do that without having access to all of the necessary drivers and stuffs, WHY IN THE HELL with all the access they can't do it!??
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I think, the answer..its a big issue its because it more of a business thing rather than community work, we here at xda help each other to benefit one another, and but SE as a commercial corporation only goes for the money, other than that they don't have any use for us. yeah, SE might be an evil, but every company is like that, not all company update their phone, actually good phone will never got/or should not be updated. but I guess in android world its different.
Its not that Im on SE side, nor any companies side, but I guess if they always keep up with android, additional man power for development will be needed which equals to extra cost. other business induce this kind of practice to be competitive but in long term it is not very reasonable. android is kind of past phase software evolution.
In reality, X10 mini is a success story which does not really succeed. they fail when they try to copy non-replacable battery of IPhone. same view point that tells you, you will not have the same phone after a couple of years.
But who does not want the next generation x10 mini. if they focus more on current mini they might not have enough people to work for other new device.
Im quite contented with My X10 mini, as long as the phone works upgrade is just a bonus but not a necessity. New update will only make the battery go bad, because you have to explore it again- and again for new thing. heheheheh..
tmahmood said:
Wrong, There are few people works out of hobby yes, but in the core there are dedicated people and groups. For Ubuntu its Canonical who provides commercial support and also have a big community support. Also take a look at Redhat Linux.
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Ok Got it, thank for correction, though on red-hat you need to buy license for support(but not for software), support including updates for issues. our company have these type of license, but there is no real life use for this. some update is only to support new hardware. which is not currently being used by our company.
But In the end, we all want to force SE to give us froyo. but what does froyo have that really worth it.
Im looking into the different tab options out there currently. I've used ipad2 extensively at work and the device is very "nice" but so typically apple in its predictive samey apple experience im after something a little more exiciting . (I.e cyanogen on an awesome tablet! )
Im interested to know what members in the Samsung tab section of XDA have to say.
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16GB $389 ($429 - $40 instant rebate) at Costco plus you get a free OEM Samsung Pouch. Just picked one up today.
Buy Galaxy Tab 10.1
Yes! I recommend if you crave for all the excitement of rooting and playing around with the tablet as you mentioned the CM9 developments of the ICS for the GT P7500/7510 are pretty exciting...... Beware though that this can be addicting,, waiting each night for some thing more
SS
If you can wait, wait till the MWC which is happening this month end. As per the rumors Samsung will unveil the new version of this tab. So the current tab will get a price cut or you can opt for the new version.
No
Just say NO to locked hardware.
Don't listen to people who tell you to relax and that you can still do x,y,z,
Samsung won't let you do 1,2,3.
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
More people willing to take risks means a larger dev community.
A larger dev community is good for you.
With unlocked hardware you can actually own what you paid for.
The same people who will tell you to relax and accept limited ownership will themselves admit that if they sold an unlocked tablet on ebay they would ask for more money and advertise the fact that it's unlocked. This means that when Samsung OTA locked all of those unlocked tablets they actually took something of monetary value -and didn't even try to justify it. Asus customers raised up a storm and at least got a promise. Samsung got a pass...I think a little of that is that people already bought the tab and no one wants to feel like a chump.
My advice is to wait and see on Asus' promise of unlocking the Prime. In the meantime don't encourage bad behavior by buying a Samsung product.
rlarkin said:
Just say NO to locked hardware.
Don't listen to people who tell you to relax and that you can still do x,y,z,
Samsung won't let you do 1,2,3.
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
More people willing to take risks means a larger dev community.
A larger dev community is good for you.
With unlocked hardware you can actually own what you paid for.
The same people who will tell you to relax and accept limited ownership will themselves admit that if they sold an unlocked tablet on ebay they would ask for more money and advertise the fact that it's unlocked. This means that when Samsung OTA locked all of those unlocked tablets they actually took something of monetary value -and didn't even try to justify it. Asus customers raised up a storm and at least got a promise. Samsung got a pass...I think a little of that is that people already bought the tab and no one wants to feel like a chump.
My advice is to wait and see on Asus' promise of unlocking the Prime. In the meantime don't encourage bad behavior by buying a Samsung product.
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do you mean locked = unrooted or locked = stuck with a provider?
Anyway, rooting the device is pretty easy and, if you can't do it, you should stay away from custom rom (and anything android, for that matter)
When it's rooted, well, the fun starts! Samsung provide very good hardware and the latest price cut is realy apealing! I got mine 2 weeks ago for 399$ can, for all it gives, it's pretty descent! IMHO, the quality to price ratio is pretty much the best!
But if you can wait after the annoucement for the new thing, you should get it for even less!
I also recommend you the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, i have mine till 2 weeks and i loooooove it !
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Cm9 kang. OC'ed. Wicked OEM Samsung book cover case. This is no apple.
ninjalandpirate said:
Im looking into the different tab options out there currently. I've used ipad2 extensively at work and the device is very "nice" but so typically apple in its predictive samey apple experience im after something a little more exiciting . (I.e cyanogen on an awesome tablet! )
Im interested to know what members in the Samsung tab section of XDA have to say.
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Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is what u need
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do you mean locked = unrooted or locked = stuck with a provider?
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Unbelievable. I mean I don't believe you. You must know I meant neither. Or are you saying you aren't aware that Samsung sold unlocked galaxy tablets then locked them OTA? Or that you don't understand what is meant here?
With unlocked hardware you can take risks and recover.
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We've gone from locking down phones to locking down general purpose devices that are analogous to laptops. No one would currently tolerate a laptop that can't flash BIOS or uses encryption to permanently lock you in to an OS, but that is exactly where we will be if people apathetically/sheepishly accept this. Any device with a locked bootloader should be rejected generally, and more specifically buying this tablet rewards unethical behavior (permanently and irrevocably locking people out of their own property months after purchase).
I stand by my recommendation. Wait and see if Asus follows through and delivers an unlock tool and if they do, get a Prime. Myself, I'm dumping this on some chump at ebay and getting a tablet I can own 100% instead of 90%.
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Unbelievable. I mean I don't believe you. You must know I meant neither. Or are you saying you aren't aware that Samsung sold unlocked galaxy tablets then locked them OTA? Or that you don't understand what is meant here?
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I understand squat from what you're trying to tell here...
What exactly do you mean by "locked"?
Most tablets, PDA's and the likes comes pre-loaded with an OS, even netbook or notebook for that matters, even worst for apple's device, wich are "locked" in more ways than anything.
As for Galaxy's, you can put about everything you want with either Odin or with the SDK tools, how is the device "locked" and how is any other (like Asus') are less locked...
It is the same for any PC's, you need special tools to flash the bios, same as you need Odin to flash a bootloader. You can root the OS and be "unlocked" everywhere on the OS layer, open a terminal emulator and do about anything that can be done to a device running an U/X kernel (or the likes)
So, again, how is the Galaxy Tab locked?
The boot loader is locked, keeping him from doing specific things. That we can put various android ROMs on it while still having the locked boot loader is not the issue.
As I understand it people with locked boot loaders cannot use nvflash and must either odin or cwm flash things; believe it or not that does in fact limit things that you can flash. Specifically what I can't say for certain because it's not something of interest to me and obviously not of interest to you either otherwise you'd have uncovered this limitation as well.
Like me, most people looking to flash custom builds on the tab are looking for android based builds like CM9 which are obviously doable on the otherwise locked tab. Rlarkin's point is valid but based on the amount of activity here in the development forum I'd venture to guess he's in the minority as he has needs that go beyond many of those who purchase the device.
We're all free to voice our opinions, it's up the the OP to decide whether or not the locked boot loader is an issue. For most of us it's not.
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I understand squat from what you're trying to tell here...
What exactly do you mean by "locked"?
Most tablets, PDA's and the likes comes pre-loaded with an OS, even netbook or notebook for that matters, even worst for apple's device, wich are "locked" in more ways than anything.
As for Galaxy's, you can put about everything you want with either Odin or with the SDK tools, how is the device "locked" and how is any other (like Asus') are less locked...
It is the same for any PC's, you need special tools to flash the bios, same as you need Odin to flash a bootloader. You can root the OS and be "unlocked" everywhere on the OS layer, open a terminal emulator and do about anything that can be done to a device running an U/X kernel (or the likes)
So, again, how is the Galaxy Tab locked?
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Well, after reading about your so called "locked", how is it relevant to the OP?
The bootloader lock seems to affect only a small fraction of the users, IE: The one that wants imperatively to use NVFlash instead of Odin. Most of the users will do whatever they want with the stock tab, a fraction of the users will flash custom roms, on that fraction, only another small fraction will use tools like Odin, SDKs and more advanced tools, on that fraction, only another small fraction will "need" NVflash.
To conclude, you shouldn't base your recomendation on what YOU need, but rather on what the person asking the question needs. So, if the OP wants to flash using NvFlash, then he shouldn't buy this device. But if you want custom roms, CM9 or many other things that doesn't require this specific tool, well, IMHO, it's a pretty nice device!
I just got my galaxy tab yesterday after returning my transformer prime and am very happy with it. Already rooted it and have romans build on it it runs amazing.
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With a locked boot loader, if you make the wrong mistake, you . are . done . Brick.
With an unlocked bootloader you can recover. What's that worth to you? How many potential devs don't try something because of the risk involved? What's that mean to you (someone not really interested in development)? It means less cool stuff for you.
With a locked boot loader you can basically achieve "root" and be able to install applications like sshd or anyconnect that *should already work anyway*. By that I mean no one should have to jump through a single hoop to get something so basic as ssh or a vpn client to work on a device like this, this is *not* a phone.
But you can't (way too risky to even think about) repartition, have true dual boot, or experiment with many other things.
So I don't think I'm being selfish in my recommendation. Unlocked bootloaders mean more devs that are able to do more things for *you*. Supporting vendors that sell locked hardware hurts everyone in the end, you included. As I said in my original post, would you buy a laptop that via encryption locks you in solidly to one OS? I don't think anyone would today, but that's where we'll all be eventually if people continue to tolerate this. I mean why should the existence of a touch screen make it okay to lock me out of my own tablet? It shouldn't.
Really a tegra3 + unlocked -GPS vs tegra2 + locked is a no brainer in my opinion. The OP will have more options with the Prime.
I would really not recommend the prime many ppl including me are and were having major problems with it. the wifi is completely screwed up in it, and unless u can solder and take it apart I recommend not wasting ur money I had it 10 days don't get me wrong its a great piece of equipment actually its unbelievable but the wifi, GPS, and Bluetooth drivers and hardware are not there it really is a shame.
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I wouldn't recommend the tab 10.1 for your case
I'm using it now. It feels just langgy.
I love android, I have sgs2 as my phone and the sgs2 is way smoother.
But the same couldn't be said for the tab10.1.
Its actually just a big LG optimus 2x, the same lausy processor.
Lots of games lags.
After I flash to overcome rom, things improved, but still slower and less smooth compared to I pad.
Basic things like the text entry also slow.
At any text entry, the keyboard always takes a small lag to appear. Most obvious in browser.
I still will choose the tab over the ipad2.
But since you are coming from ipad2, recommend you buy galaxy tab 7.7 or 7 plus.
These 2 uses the exynos chip set similar to sgs 2. Very powerful gpu.
If u try tab 10.1 or 8.9, sure you will be frustrated by the occational lag.
Just being honest.
PS: I still love my tab.
I haven't been on the galaxy tab 10.1 long but I know one thing from experience so far that this tablet on Romans rom is just as fast and maybe less laggy than the stock transformer prime which I am shocked by. I am now asking myself why I didn't buy this before when it came out instead of waiting all I can say is wooooooooow
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So I've had this phone for a while now and I'm fairly happy with it. Other than the fact it acts a bit weird with the college wifi. I'm pretty sure we didn't buy any warranty for it, so whatever it might of had when I got it about a year ago is probably about to expire. Anyway, I'm knew to the rooting scene and I would like to know if it would be worth it for me personally to root my phone. It is a Samsung Galaxy S4 from Verizon, it says the model number is SCH-I545 and is running on version 5.0.1. At first I kind of just wanted to root the phone just to play modded games on it, stuff without leaderboards mostly. But then I saw somewhere that you could extend the battery life with a different kernel or something, and that is definitely something I could use. So... any words of advice or suggestions for me? I appreciate it.
I would say rooting is worth it especially on an older phone. Rooting is really just getting access to the root directory of the phone. If you want to run custom firmware I recommend this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3132555
Our s4 has a locked bootloader so our options are a little limited but I like this devs work. Remember to do a lot of reading first and welcome to the community!
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OrisX said:
So I've had this phone for a while now and I'm fairly happy with it. Other than the fact it acts a bit weird with the college wifi. I'm pretty sure we didn't buy any warranty for it, so whatever it might of had when I got it about a year ago is probably about to expire. Anyway, I'm knew to the rooting scene and I would like to know if it would be worth it for me personally to root my phone. It is a Samsung Galaxy S4 from Verizon, it says the model number is SCH-I545 and is running on version 5.0.1. At first I kind of just wanted to root the phone just to play modded games on it, stuff without leaderboards mostly. But then I saw somewhere that you could extend the battery life with a different kernel or something, and that is definitely something I could use. So... any words of advice or suggestions for me? I appreciate it.
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I'm new as well to rooting... although in the PC world, I've always been an admin. I think that the biggest reason to root is to have control of what you've bought! Deleting the apps you don't want, and getting the updates. I understand that via rooting you can overclock your CPU (which for gaming would probably be a good thing).
I haven't had great luck in a successful root for my Verizon S4 but I'll keep trying. So much of a different 'language' of what you're doing over a PC world. Just takes time.
Best of luck!
Honor's recent decision to end bootloader unlocks for their phones upset the entire community, us included, and we've been working feverishly to get them to change the decision. That said, it takes time for complaints to climb the ladder of such a big company, and we've had to settle for baby steps. :fingers-crossed:
We asked Honor for the reason behind this action and this is what they said:
"\The unlock code application service was closed on May 24th for all Huawei/ Honor products as a security measure and to avoid issues caused by ROM flashing. The decision to close the page ensured Huawei/ Honor could continue to provide an excellent user experience for all global fans.
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XDA Developers are actively engaged in software development and they constantly provide valuable suggestions to optimize Honor products. Based on their feedback, that unlocked bootloaders make it easier for them to develop and create, Honor has decided to re-open bootloader unlock on an exclusive number of codes to the XDA Developer community. :highfive:
The unlock codes are available for download exclusively to XDA Developers on a first-come-first-served basis via this online form....Update: thank you to all that applied for an unlock code. We are no longer taking requests. Unlock codes will be sent out in batches, starting the week of 25 September and continuing until the end of the year. Further instructions will go out via XDA PM asap. . XDA users can apply for the codes using the form and all applicants will have the opportunity to share their feedback. It might take several weeks to receive an unlock code after requesting one, but we'll work with Honor to expedite the process as much as possible.
XDA will continue to work with Honor to give users a strong voice when decisions are made that affect their user experience. Finally, they had this to say:
Honor phones and systems have gone through rigorous testing and improvements, which is why Honor is able to offer great products at good prices for global digital natives.
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svetius said:
Honor's recent decision to end bootloader unlocks for their phones upset the entire community, us included, and we've been working feverishly to get them to change the decision. That said, it takes time for complaints to climb the ladder of such a big company, and we've had to settle for baby steps. :fingers-crossed:
We asked Honor for the reason behind this action and this is what they said:
XDA Developers are actively engaged in software development and they constantly provide valuable suggestions to optimize Honor products. Based on their feedback, that unlocked bootloaders make it easier for them to develop and create, Honor has decided to re-open bootloader unlock on an exclusive number of codes to the XDA Developer community. :highfive:
The unlock codes are available for download exclusively to XDA Developers on a first-come-first-served basis via this online form. XDA users can apply for the codes using the form and all applicants will have the opportunity to share their feedback. It might take several weeks to receive an unlock code after requesting one, but we'll work with Honor to expedite the process as much as possible.
XDA will continue to work with Honor to give users a strong voice when decisions are made that affect their user experience. Finally, they had this to say:
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Only for Honor devices?
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Daryl18 said:
Only for Honor devices?
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Yes.
This is great! +1xp to Honor!
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Well I am a Huawei owner and I already have my code. But I would like to still thank XDA for pushing this, and actually doing something.
Really hoping Huawei will come up with a solution.
To be fair, I kinda understand them. As it is right now, the OS on the phone is way too fragile, and you can end in a permanent brick way too easy.
But that is something they should fix on their end and not punish users for wanting to have control over these great devices.
Like, I love my Mate 10 Pro. It's one of the best on the market I believe. And hell, I am ready to purchase a Mate 20 (Pro?) if it comes out. But only, if we get custom OS support. Don't get me wrong, I actually like EMUI, and I totally don't get the complaints about EMUI. Trust me. If you complain about it, go and try Touchwiz. You will know hell. However, at some point, Huawei will stop providing updates or will focus on later models. At that point, I would still like to stay 'fresh' and have a lean OS. I had an S3 LTE, a Note 2, Note 4, LG G4, LG G Pro 2, and Cyanogen/Lineage and the others have given these devices new life.
Ps.: tl;dr: If we get custom roms, I keep buying them, my family will buy them, my friends will buy. If not, well, we all go to other brands.
This isn't just spitting in the face of users right?
Hope they change the decision and permanent opening bootloader again.
h8Aramex said:
Well I am a Huawei owner and I already have my code. But I would like to still thank XDA for pushing this, and actually doing something.
Really hoping Huawei will come up with a solution.
To be fair, I kinda understand them. As it is right now, the OS on the phone is way too fragile, and you can end in a permanent brick way too easy.
But that is something they should fix on their end and not punish users for wanting to have control over these great devices.
Like, I love my Mate 10 Pro. It's one of the best on the market I believe. And hell, I am ready to purchase a Mate 20 (Pro?) if it comes out. But only, if we get custom OS support. Don't get me wrong, I actually like EMUI, and I totally don't get the complaints about EMUI. Trust me. If you complain about it, go and try Touchwiz. You will know hell. However, at some point, Huawei will stop providing updates or will focus on later models. At that point, I would still like to stay 'fresh' and have a lean OS. I had an S3 LTE, a Note 2, Note 4, LG G4, LG G Pro 2, and Cyanogen/Lineage and the others have given these devices new life.
Ps.: tl;dr: If we get custom roms, I keep buying them, my family will buy them, my friends will buy. If not, well, we all go to other brands.
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Well I for one do NOT understand them. It's absolutely NONE of their business what we (who paid good money for OUR phones!) do with the devices! If we brick them or whatever breaks - it doesn't concern Huawei at all since it's not covered by any kind of warranty after we unlock the bootloader.
I bought the View 10 ONLY because of the Honor Open Source program and of course right after I got the damn thing everything shut down.
I for one will NOT support a company that treats their paying customers like dirt - this is my first and most definitely LAST Huawei/Honor device unless they do an about face, let us unlock our bootloaders and support custom roms. ?
This is great news. I'm glad that the talks with them went somewhere. Good job guys.
While I truly appreciate the effort from everyone involved in this action, this doesn't help anything. If the devices are not open for everyone, they are not open for anyone.
This is the equivalent of not escalating a situation with an angry customer and giving him what he wants, a special treatment, while all the others won't get it.
That's not fair at all.
KreAch3R said:
While I truly appreciate the effort from everyone involved in this action, this doesn't help anything. If the devices are not open for everyone, they are not open for anyone.
This is the equivalent of not escalating a situation with an angry customer and giving him what he wants, a special treatment, while all the others won't get it.
That's not fair at all.
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This is hopefully the first step to get this decision reversed at a later stage.
And regarding your analogy comparing this to an angry customer - the people who mainly are concerned by this decision are the people who would come to XDA forums anyway. This decision is more like showing special treatment to a target demographic of angry customers than a single angry customer.
what about Kernel Source codes etc for more recent devices like honor play? are they planing on releasing any?
I'm glad to see a little wiggle room on this. But as Huawei arguably has one of the top devices on market (or so I keep hearing about the P20 Pro) it also starts to make sense.
Here's hoping a good balance can be found.
Nimueh said:
Well I for one do NOT understand them. It's absolutely NONE of their business what we (who paid good money for OUR phones!) do with the devices! If we brick them or whatever breaks - it doesn't concern Huawei at all since it's not covered by any kind of warranty after we unlock the bootloader.
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Except you don't, in the EU at least, inspite of Honour / Huawei claims software modification, including unlocking bootloader doesn't invalidate your hardware warranty.
Good to see. Well done to XDA for sticking to their guns and getting Honor to soften their stance.
Hopefully if just the start and it can become a permanent policy and the Huawei side of the business to do the same. (which I heavily doubt they will
) My P20 Pro would be a perfect phone if I could get from EMUI to stock
Hello, XDA
I am a developer, can I get this benefit to unlock the bootloader of my device Honor?
They must have seen aggresive concurrent Xiaomi taking some market share
what about lock code on Honor V10? some people write about not working old codes on ROM FW>=163 version. Via this service, Huawei sent new code for new room or include downgrading to old room warning with code?
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Except you don't, in the EU at least, inspite of Honour / Huawei claims software modification, including unlocking bootloader doesn't invalidate your hardware warranty.
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While that IS true you'll have a hard time getting any repairs done once you unlocked it - and besides, my hardware doesn't break due to me f*cking up by unlocking and flashing custom roms etc. If someone flashes a bad kernel and blows their chip due to overclocking or what have you the repair centers can still tell and refuse a warranty repair.
Either way you look at it - letting us unlock our devices does NOT cost them anything, but it will keep us buying their phones.
i want to get a second android phone so I can root it, have the rooting experience, pls can I get a recommendation of which cheap android phones are easy to root plus links? it might be Samsung, xiaomi, Nokia etc.
hope I can get good recommendations.