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I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
I haven't seen it specifically on this phone, but I've seen the Qualcomm MSM8660 demos showing full mirroring. We should be capable of it, but I haven't tried it out yet.
I'm surprised nobody's tried it yet!
Can you use the normal micro HDMI or do you have to buy the adapter to use HDMI? Lol kinda confused how this works with the new port? Could anyone explain? Thanks
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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I believe that was what he said in the first line..
rtmeikle said:
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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Thanks for clearing that up!!
Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
rictorg said:
Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
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According to this demo from CTIA it appears it can, but this is unfinished testing hardware/firmware so it's still not a confirmation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynmqtopi9g
This doesn't exactly give you an answer with the level of certainty you are looking for but it's a good sign. We should see some end users with feedback on HDMI features on the production phone streaming in any time now that hopefully confirms that it can do this across any application without problems or limitations.
rtmeikle said:
I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
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hey rtmeikle . I also got the mhl from tmobile. I hooked it up last night to sadly find out that hdmi mirroring is not supported at all. It was all a big hype it appears. Were you able to get it working? I'm hoping that you were so maybe its just my device....if not, then this phone is going back.
Yep, I got mine yesterday and tested it. It works fine.
You have to have the adaptor plugged in to the phone, a charger plugged to the adaptor, and the HDMI cable running from the phone to the TV.
I got full HDMI mirroring which automatically switched to landscape when I tested Netflix and HBO Go.
Rob
interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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Strange. The image of my home screen just popped up on my TV; I didn't have to do anything.
I tested it on the TV in my bedroom, a 3-yr-old Samsung 42" Plasma, nothing fancy.
Maybe tonight I'll test it on my other two TVs and see if it works on all of them.
did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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Yep, I've accepted the OTAs. And I'm using the exact same adaptor. Did you plug power into the adaptor too? I didnt' try without plugging it in, but I've heard that it needs to be plugged in to work.
Ok, i finaly got it to work. It wasn't a problem with the phone but a problem with the tv. I had to change some resolution settings on the tv and presto! Hdmi mirroring on its full glory
Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
Thanks for all the help.
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Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
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This is what I am currently doing. I have hooked up the following.
Mouse: Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000
Keyboard: Logitech MX5500 Keyboard
The keyboard works great. I can type in the applications and setup my keys in the emulators just fine (snesoid etc)
Mouse functionality though is different then you may expect. You don't get a mouse cursor, it just "highlights" selections then you "left click" to go forward. According to my research the right mouse button is supposed to "go back" but is not working for me.
I put up a thread asking others for help with it, so if I find an answer I will let you know.
Updating you on what I found out about the mouse.
"Well it looks like the fancy mouse support with a cursor and button functionality was something that was included in CyanogenMod 6.X then removed on CyanogenMod 7.
They then added a patch for version 7. But now apparently it is being included in his latest CyanogenMod.
Regardless, it appears you need root access "
wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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the adapter has a USB plug that you use to hook up to a charger, and will charge your phone. Newer TVs are coming that will support charging over HDMI via the MHL adapter, there may be some out but I think will be a standard in 2012 TVs.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/expansys-mhl-to-hdmi-adapter-black-218572/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/htc-sensation-mhl-cable-ac-m490-extmicro-usb-12-pin-to-hdmi-218634/
the HTC one looks lke it includes a HDMI cable, too, but you can see the usb port on each adapter for charging.
I just bought a monitor with MHL. This came with an MHL lead Micro usb > HDMI plug so eager to try it I got nothing on the Note 3.
Testing this with my HTC Sensation the lead alone worked perfectly so I did a bit of research and figured that all I should need is a pin converter 5 - 11 pin and I should be fine.
I This
When that duly arrived, it still didn't work. What I noticed when using this though was :
1) The Samsung pops up a message "HDMI connected" when the monitor is on.
2) The monitor scans and doesn't tell me there is no signal - It sits there with a black screen when the note 3 is connected.
3) The Samsung loses it's sound (on the device) but nothing comes through on the monitor (not used the monitor speakers yet so I might no have this set up)
4) The Samsung shows that it is being charged.
Further research seems to come up with conflicting results. Some people say you MUST have one of those adaptors with external power, but others swear their adaptors work fine without it because the Note 3 is MHL 2.0 and only needs it for battery charging.
So I am a bit confused and hope some folks here can shed some light on this matter. My HTC sensation works perfectly with just the lead, I find it hard to believe the |Note 3 won't even when the pin outs are correct and the monitor is clearly supplying power to the device.
Any help appreciated, I don't want to buy an older mhl 1.0 adaptor with power or an expensive 2.0 adaptor if it's not necessary and I do want to hear from anyone that has an adaptor that doesn't require power.
I've never owned one Samsung phone, even when using an official (powered) MHL adapter, that worked well enough to even be worth having the adapter.
I don't know if the Note 3 requires it or not, but I wouldn't even bother with it tbh.
My Samsung MHL 2.0 cable does NOT require a power input with the Note 3 (I still use one anyway). AFAIK you still need a charging input if the cable is MHL 1.0, regardless of what spec the phone has.
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My Samsung MHL 2.0 cable does NOT require a power input with the Note 3 (I still use one anyway). AFAIK you still need a charging input if the cable is MHL 1.0, regardless of what spec the phone has.
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Thanks - I take it you are talking of the official one (which came out before the note 3)?
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Thanks - I take it you are talking of the official one (which came out before the note 3)?
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Thanks, it's curious then why my mhl lead with 5 - 11pin adaptor doesn't work directly unless there's some magic in the Samsung unit.
I seem to be clearing the fog on this issue a little but I'm still confused.
It appears that what Samsung provide is and MHL > HDMI adaptor. HDMI and MHL are different ... in some way.
However, when a monitor supports HML directly this shouldn't be necessary at all. As my monitor came with this feature and supplied an MHL cable albeit the 5 pin my take on this is that fitting a 5 > 11 pin converter should be all that I need. Some appear to have used passive MHL cables with success :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483054&page=3
But I'd still like any more expert opinions on whether I'm on the right track or not. If I am then I might assume the chinese adaptor I bought is defective in some way.
I don't know what happened but I bought this one and I am surprised! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-O...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item486423fdfe This was suggested in another thread from many users however it was noted that it requires power A/C to work! To my big surprise,the one that I got it works without plugging any power source and not only that but it managed to load my external usb other than hdmi
Those are my first results after 10 minutes of testing it! Didn't have any long term session with it in order to check if it is stable or errorfree!
Because I know some users may doubt it, here is a picture showing what I said !https://db.tt/Gsum0lyU
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I don't know what happened but I bought this one and I am surprised! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-O...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item486423fdfe This was suggested in another thread from many users however it was noted that it requires power A/C to work! To my big surprise,the one that I got it works without plugging any power source and not only that but it managed to load my external usb other than hdmi [/url]
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Thanks for the heads up. Can you tell me if you were plugging this into an MHL compliant monitor or was it just one that had HDMI?
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Thanks for the heads up. Can you tell me if you were plugging this into an MHL compliant monitor or was it just one that had HDMI?
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I think No as the TV is quite old and from my usage I didn't see any signs of MHL. But I will test it again in my other TV which is much newer to see if it still works without external power! I Will post my findings on this thread in the near future
It seems that it works pretty fine also in my other (newer) TV without any power source!
Edit: flip the picture as it is wrongly displayed.
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It seems that it works pretty fine also in my other (newer) TV without any power source!
Edit: flip the picture as it is wrongly displayed.
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Thanks , they are cheap enough so I'll probably order the same one and give it a try.
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Thanks , they are cheap enough so I'll probably order the same one and give it a try.
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I hope you have the same luck as with me
Can someone please tell me which MHL adapter works with this tablet? Does this one work?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Micro-MHL-US...E_Handy_PDA_Kabel_Adapter&hash=item4adef3faec
It's supposedly for the S4 and S3. I have a MHL adapter that works with my i7100 Note 2, but does not appear to fit with my Note Pro.
Thanks.
Hey dude, I got my MHL cable off eBay for like £3, and it works great. Its red, and has the micro USB and a full size USB which both need to be plugged in, the full size one goes in the TV to power the cable to something. Either way its cheap and works great. You'd save money this way
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Hey dude, I got my MHL cable off eBay for like £3, and it works great. Its red, and has the micro USB and a full size USB which both need to be plugged in, the full size one goes in the TV to power the cable to something. Either way its cheap and works great. You'd save money this way
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Could you maybe find the one you're using and post it here?
You're probably talking about this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1080P-MHL-M..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item20d65187fb
I could also buy this one as it seems to be the same as the first one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Micro-U...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4d11e5d6b6
It seems to be a fake - no Samsung logo on front of box. But it wouldn't surprise me if it were the same on the inside. Without the massive price tag on the outside. The same box sells for 30 pounds on Amnazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Sam...F8&qid=1415559901&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+mhl
And since I already have all the longer cables I only really need the box. Just need someone to cofirm that this fake version fits the Note Pro.
Okay... So it appears that the one I already have, works... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Micro...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item1e9393940d
Any idea why I get black bars left and right? Is this because this is an older MHL standard or is it because of the tablet?
EDIT: Or is this because the tablet is in 16:10 and the TV is in 16:9? Meanin there is absolutely nothing wrong with my MHL adapter.
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Okay... So it appears that the one I already have, works... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Micro...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item1e9393940d
Any idea why I get black bars left and right? Is this because this is an older MHL standard or is it because of the tablet?
EDIT: Or is this because the tablet is in 16:10 and the TV is in 16:9? Meanin there is absolutely nothing wrong with my MHL adapter.
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I get black bars too, they go away when I play certain video files because the aspect ratio matches the TV and the tablets screen doesn't, there's nothing wrong with the cable.
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Sheeptar said:
Okay... So it appears that the one I already have, works... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Micro...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item1e9393940d
Any idea why I get black bars left and right? Is this because this is an older MHL standard or is it because of the tablet?
EDIT: Or is this because the tablet is in 16:10 and the TV is in 16:9? Meanin there is absolutely nothing wrong with my MHL adapter.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MHL-MICRO..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item2595f62b83
Here is the MHL cable I bought, it does exactly what it said on the cling film packing that it came in haha. I don't see any point in buying Samsung stuff, for like 5X the price. They had enough money off me already
Sheeptar said:
Can someone please tell me which MHL adapter works with this tablet? Does this one work?
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Micro-MHL-US...E_Handy_PDA_Kabel_Adapter&hash=item4adef3faec
It's supposedly for the S4 and S3. I have a MHL adapter that works with my i7100 Note 2, but does not appear to fit with my Note Pro.
Thanks.
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I am using this one: Original ET-H10FAUWEGWW HDMI-Adapter which works flawlessly.
Hey guys I'm wondering if any of you have encountered this cable before
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessory-family-page-1/1080p-HDMI-Cable-(15ft)/15-ft-hdmi-cable.html
I bought 3, with the idea to use them with my Nexus 6 but low and behold they actually don't fit. Any idea Why? I'm sure its made for a certain brand of phones, (I thought Motorola) but apparently not.
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Hey guys I'm wondering if any of you have encountered this cable before
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessory-family-page-1/1080p-HDMI-Cable-(15ft)/15-ft-hdmi-cable.html
I bought 3, with the idea to use them with my Nexus 6 but low and behold they actually don't fit. Any idea Why? I'm sure its made for a certain brand of phones, (I thought Motorola) but apparently not.
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That actually says that it is an HDMI cable, not an MHL-HDMI cable or other similar such cable that has HDMI on one end and uUSB on the other. Looks like it has a micro-HDMI on one end, and a regular-HDMI on the other. Nexus 6 does NOT have a micro-HDMI socket.
Also remember that Motorola sells things that are NOT EVEN PHONES, like video baby monitors. Maybe some of their video baby monitors have HDMI output so you can plug it into a TV and swap input when you need to check on the little one.
In any case, you'd be better off with a chromecast than a cable. No point in tying yourself with a wire when you can just select "cast screen" from the main pulldown menu.
That is for the Motorola XOOM. The XOOM tablet has a micro-HDMI output port. My Nexus 10 tablet has it also. It's not for the Nexus 6.
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That actually says that it is an HDMI cable, not an MHL-HDMI cable or other similar such cable that has HDMI on one end and uUSB on the other. Looks like it has a micro-HDMI on one end, and a regular-HDMI on the other. Nexus 6 does NOT have a micro-HDMI socket.
Also remember that Motorola sells things that are NOT EVEN PHONES, like video baby monitors. Maybe some of their video baby monitors have HDMI output so you can plug it into a TV and swap input when you need to check on the little one.
In any case, you'd be better off with a chromecast than a cable. No point in tying yourself with a wire when you can just select "cast screen" from the main pulldown menu.
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Ah yes I love chromecast i'm using it right now to watch crunchy roll lol, just that I felt that the cable would be easier to use in cases where there isn't a wifi network I can set up with but nevertheless thanks for the info! didn't know there was such a thing as MHL-HDMI it just, like you said, really looks like it has a micro-HDMI on the end, unfortunately for me lol
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That is for the Motorola XOOM. The XOOM tablet has a micro-HDMI output port. My Nexus 10 tablet has it also. It's not for the Nexus 6.
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Ahh I see! Shame because I got really excited about being able to carry the cable around wherever I go lol
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Ahh I see! Shame because I got really excited about being able to carry the cable around wherever I go lol
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
dynamo147 said:
Ah yes I love chromecast i'm using it right now to watch crunchy roll lol, just that I felt that the cable would be easier to use in cases where there isn't a wifi network I can set up with but nevertheless thanks for the info! didn't know there was such a thing as MHL-HDMI it just, like you said, really looks like it has a micro-HDMI on the end, unfortunately for me lol
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Actually.... you know that you can set up a chromecast to connect to your "android wifi tether" AP? You will need to use a different device to configure the chromecast than the one acting as an AP, but once done, you just activate wifi tethering, plug in the chromecast, and there you have it without even needing a local wifi network!
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Here is a claim that slimport will work with a simple configuration edit;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57649906&postcount=39
*HOWEVER*, there are no details.
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Actually.... you know that you can set up a chromecast to connect to your "android wifi tether" AP? You will need to use a different device to configure the chromecast than the one acting as an AP, but once done, you just activate wifi tethering, plug in the chromecast, and there you have it without even needing a local wifi network!
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Here is a claim that slimport will work with a simple configuration edit;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57649906&postcount=39
*HOWEVER*, there are no details.
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That guy was a troll. The hardware is not in the nexus 6 for either Slimport OR MHL.
Personally, I use chromecast to mirror my screen in the house as well as in my car on my Appradio3. I do as you said with the hotspot on my nexus 6 with the chromecast set to connect to it.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news
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Yeah it happens >,<, welp the more you know!
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Actually.... you know that you can set up a chromecast to connect to your "android wifi tether" AP? You will need to use a different device to configure the chromecast than the one acting as an AP, but once done, you just activate wifi tethering, plug in the chromecast, and there you have it without even needing a local wifi network!
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Here is a claim that slimport will work with a simple configuration edit;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57649906&postcount=39
*HOWEVER*, there are no details.
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Oh snap that would be like a crap ton easier >,< truth lol learned something new
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That guy was a troll. The hardware is not in the nexus 6 for either Slimport OR MHL.
Personally, I use chromecast to mirror my screen in the house as well as in my car on my Appradio3. I do as you said with the hotspot on my nexus 6 with the chromecast set to connect to it.
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Do trolls really have nothing better to do :/? But yeah that hotspot idea sounds pretty good ^.^
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That guy was a troll. The hardware is not in the nexus 6 for either Slimport OR MHL.
Personally, I use chromecast to mirror my screen in the house as well as in my car on my Appradio3. I do as you said with the hotspot on my nexus 6 with the chromecast set to connect to it.
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Could be. However....
The *hardware* is definitely there -- mhl/slimport is built in to the SoC, and there must be a USB switch in order for it to even select between different USB modes. The only actual question is whether or not it is wired correctly. I *HATE* it when hardware vendors wire things wrong.
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Could be. However....
The *hardware* is definitely there -- mhl/slimport is built in to the SoC, and there must be a USB switch in order for it to even select between different USB modes. The only actual question is whether or not it is wired correctly. I *HATE* it when hardware vendors wire things wrong.
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Couldnt it also be true that the actualy micro USB port is missing the required pins for slimport or mhl? Not every micro usb is created equal.
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Couldnt it also be true that the actualy micro USB port is missing the required pins for slimport or mhl? Not every micro usb is created equal.
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Nope. EVERY uUSB plug *IS* created equal.
MHL does not use any pins in the USB plug that are otherwise not there. USB plugs, whether they are MHL or not, have precisely 5 pins;
+5VDC, GRD, D+, D-, ID.
ALL of the pins are required and NOT OPTIONAL.
D+ and D- are the actual data pins.
+5 and GRD are POWER.
ID is the "type selection" pin.
Behind the plug itself, is a SWITCH, which is controlled by the state of the ID pin. The amount of resistance between the ID pin and GRD determines what "mode" the switch is in. And yes, there is a switch, since it is well established that the device DOES support USB OTG.
So on one side of the switch, is a USB plug. On the other side is USB HOST, USB OTG, MHL, TTY, and a bunch of other kinds of functions. Like I said, ID determines what the USB plug is actually connected to.
But like I said, I can't tell you if the MHL wires between the switch and the SoC are physically present.
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Nope. EVERY uUSB plug *IS* created equal.
MHL does not use any pins in the USB plug that are otherwise not there. USB plugs, whether they are MHL or not, have precisely 5 pins;
+5VDC, GRD, D+, D-, ID.
ALL of the pins are required and NOT OPTIONAL.
D+ and D- are the actual data pins.
+5 and GRD are POWER.
ID is the "type selection" pin.
Behind the plug itself, is a SWITCH, which is controlled by the state of the ID pin. The amount of resistance between the ID pin and GRD determines what "mode" the switch is in. And yes, there is a switch, since it is well established that the device DOES support USB OTG.
So on one side of the switch, is a USB plug. On the other side is USB HOST, USB OTG, MHL, TTY, and a bunch of other kinds of functions. Like I said, ID determines what the USB plug is actually connected to.
But like I said, I can't tell you if the MHL wires between the switch and the SoC are physically present.
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Well sir. That was an excellent post. Thank you for kindly explaining. I concede.
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Nope. EVERY uUSB plug *IS* created equal.
MHL does not use any pins in the USB plug that are otherwise not there. USB plugs, whether they are MHL or not, have precisely 5 pins;
+5VDC, GRD, D+, D-, ID.
ALL of the pins are required and NOT OPTIONAL.
D+ and D- are the actual data pins.
+5 and GRD are POWER.
ID is the "type selection" pin.
Behind the plug itself, is a SWITCH, which is controlled by the state of the ID pin. The amount of resistance between the ID pin and GRD determines what "mode" the switch is in. And yes, there is a switch, since it is well established that the device DOES support USB OTG.
So on one side of the switch, is a USB plug. On the other side is USB HOST, USB OTG, MHL, TTY, and a bunch of other kinds of functions. Like I said, ID determines what the USB plug is actually connected to.
But like I said, I can't tell you if the MHL wires between the switch and the SoC are physically present.
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Thank you very much for posting that. I learned a lot!
Someone here may find this to be highly interesting;
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/c38529bf56dae15e70022641d6b15b4b856d33fb
doitright said:
Someone here may find this to be highly interesting;
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/c38529bf56dae15e70022641d6b15b4b856d33fb
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So, I guess the question becomes:
What would have to be done to achieve hardware video output on a Nexus 6?
doitright said:
Someone here may find this to be highly interesting;
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/c38529bf56dae15e70022641d6b15b4b856d33fb
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So I'm not really code savy or phone hardware adept, but I figure that the disabled string would have to be changed to enabled annnnnd, the N6 might have to be opened a tad to expose the port to make the necessary changes?
dynamo147 said:
So I'm not really code savy or phone hardware adept, but I figure that the disabled string would have to be changed to enabled annnnnd, the N6 might have to be opened a tad to expose the port to make the necessary changes?
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That's my best guess as well (my skill level is definitely low), but I doubt it's so simple.
Hi!
I want to sharing my experience during my usage with hp elite X3 lap dock I just bought. If anyone (and sometime later) bought another kind of lap-dock (mirabook?, nextbook?), I'll be very pleased if you share your experience here as well.
Well, sadly, these kinds of lap docks are not dex-supported out of the box (at least during the time writing this).
So, we'll need to UBL and flash kernel that have "universal dex" mod inside.
I found some things that are really amusing, and I posted this thread under the "Accessory" sub instead of Q&A because I hoped this thread to help everyone deciding buying this lap dock.
First and foremost, Pros and Cons..
Pros:
- Amazing build quality. Sleek, sturdy, and also amazing finish.
- Tactile keyboard. It's not a cheap one you'll find on cheap laptops. Very comfortable for long session typing (for me at least).
- Amazing display. I compared it to my colleagues windows 10 laptop that have 2 times the price, and imo, the display wins hands down.
- Wireless connectivity (with another bugged feature I'll tell below, and if you don't use it, won't hinder you as well).
- Amazing speaker (note, there is a bug on it, gonna tell you below as well).
- Cheap. Well, actually it is very pricey, but there are refurbished models with 150$ price tag when I bought it on ebay.
- Boots amazingly fast. At first I thought it only boots when I press and hold the power button for a long time (which, makes the booting actually longer). Turns out a single press at the power button turns on the device almost instantly.
Cons:
- The trackpad is not that comfortable. You can't click and drag. Right click register is tapping with two fingers (MacBook style). Scrolling up and down using two fingers is a disaster, since it often registers as a right click instead of scrolling. I ended up buying a Bluetooth mouse to solve this problem.
* Update (9 July 2018): This problem is fixed with oreo 8.0 update! Scrolling up and down is no longer a gassle, and two fingers tap easily registers as a right-click!
- No driver update from Android. Actually, the mouse problem is solved on a driver update. But sadly, the only way to update those drivers is using a HP Elite X3 smart phone.
- As far as I know, it is hard to search for a 45 W, USB C charger for the replacement (just in case something goes wrong with it).. I found that mostly USB - PD devices only shoots up to 30W, and I haven't found one that shows 45W.
Bugs:
- Related to audio:
I found that using a USB C connection (Samsung dex - mode), the audio produced is often crackled. When playing using the wireless mode (smart display by Samsung), it doesn't happen - even when playing the same audio files. So, it is either a driver problem, or a connection problem (I think it's related to the USB C provided, gonna buy another one soon to test).
* Update (9 July 2018): On oreo ROM, the audio no longer outputs to the lapdock... Very sad about it.. For now, I'm using a bluetooth headset to accomodate. If anyone finds out a Oreo Rom with audio output on lapdock, please share
- Related to wireless mode:
> Heck, I don't know the magic beyond it, but actually you can TYPE using the lap-dock keyboard when the phone is paired wirelessly! I thought the wireless mode only enables screen mirroring without input?
> That said, there is a problem though. Not all keys are working (windows key to trigger opening apps and other function keys don't work). Secondly, when we typed, it is registered twice. And sadly, I still don't know what to do with it.
- Related to charging the device:
> Somehow, charging the devices sometimes become quite a pain. At times, when the lap dock is turned off, it won't charge (at least, the battery indicator doesn't blinking to show it charges). It doesn't always happen as well, so I really don't know what caused it. Well, you can remedy it by plugging the charger cable when the lap dock is turned on and turn it off while still connecting to the charger.
* Update (9 July 2018): Never encountered this problem anymore. Weird since I don't get any software update for the lap dock itself.
Related to lap dock input (track pad, keyboard, and audio):
> When you plug in (or out) the charger, for a brief moment, the trackpad, keyboard, and audio is disconnected and reconnected again. Well, mostly this won't become a problem, but sometimes, when I am listening to a Bluetooth headphone, the audio suddenly rerouted to my lap dock instead of my phone.
> Sometimes, when you plug the phone using USB - C to the lap dock, it doesn't recognize the input devices (except for the monitor). Re-connecting the device solves the problem, but since Dex "rebooting" takes some time, sometimes it is just annoying.
* Update (9 July 2018): There are some Oreo ROM that doesn't recognize the keyboard and touchpad input. Currently, I'm using Alexis ROM 4.4 and it is working. Several days ago, update the ROM to v 5.3 but turns out it have the said problems, so I return back to 4.4.
That is all of my HP elite X3 lap dock review. Hope this helps you decide whether you want to buy one or not. Personally, it is a great buy for me, since the cons and the bugs doesn't affect me too much.
EDIT - 22 Jan 2018: Editing several things after using the lap dock for around two weeks.
EDIT - 9 July 2018: Updating it with oreo ROM experience.
How do you connect phone to lapdock to enable dex? I appreciate need to root but it doesn't have a HDMI port are you connecting through USB C as some people are saying struggling to get USB C monitors working
Thanks
r8dooo said:
How do you connect phone to lapdock to enable dex? I appreciate need to root but it doesn't have a HDMI port are you connecting through USB C as some people are saying struggling to get USB C monitors working
Thanks
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It is using a USB-C connection. I won't say the connection is flawless, as sometimes it doesn't connect to the keyboard and mouse or having a non-HD output (simply re-plugging the phone does the work), but I won't say it is a struggle to make it work. It works like 90% of the time and when it is connected, we can use it without a problem (except the sound problem, see my explanation above).
Also, it have a micro Hdmi port. But, as far as I try, it doesn't work for mirroring the dex for another screen.
Thanks for this review.
I got the LapDock as well but sadly haven't been able to use it since Oreo Beta 3. Fingers crossed that one day Samsung will re-enable support for third party docks. Sigh...
I also found the trackpad experience particularly poor. The BT mouse is a good solution. Also I would sometimes have issues where if the USB-c cable were moved or nudged, DeX would reboot which is annoying as it takes quite a few seconds.
Also I found that the LapDock battery drains very fast when it is not in use. I would charge it to full, disconnect it from power and store it away. After only a week it would no longer have a charge.
I wonder if the new firmware makes a difference... I've been meaning to visit a Microsoft store to borrow an Elite x3 to use to update it. Do they even sell those anymore, though?
Xombie11 said:
Thanks for this review.
I got the LapDock as well but sadly haven't been able to use it since Oreo Beta 3. Fingers crossed that one day Samsung will re-enable support for third party docks. Sigh...
I also found the trackpad experience particularly poor. The BT mouse is a good solution. Also I would sometimes have issues where if the USB-c cable were moved or nudged, DeX would reboot which is annoying as it takes quite a few seconds.
Also I found that the LapDock battery drains very fast when it is not in use. I would charge it to full, disconnect it from power and store it away. After only a week it would no longer have a charge.
I wonder if the new firmware makes a difference... I've been meaning to visit a Microsoft store to borrow an Elite x3 to use to update it. Do they even sell those anymore, though?
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Agree with all of your points..
Except, for the nudging cable problem.. I often changes my phone place but never once I encounter the DeX got rebooted because of missing connection..
Somehow, the battery drains very fast. I think it is caused by the lap dock only enters hibernate mode instead of totally turning off..
I also wonder about the firmware difference... I read on the news that the firmware "fixes" trackpad (enables it to have a right click instead of tapping it with two fingers), and something regarding battery indicator...
Well I have a friend who tested the Mirabook at CES and he said the experience was pretty smooth and well designed.
He tried with a Samsunsg S8 and DeX launched quickly while the mb charged the phone.
Meleor said:
Well I have a friend who tested the Mirabook at CES and he said the experience was pretty smooth and well designed.
He tried with a Samsunsg S8 and DeX launched quickly while the mb charged the phone.
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That's nice! Excited to hearing about it when it finally released!!
That means, at some time, if my hp lap dock went down and I want to change phone, I don't need to root my phone anymore
Good to see such a thread! I sport the elite Dock since december as well, and I may have posted an issue elsewhere, which I'll repeat here as well, the 45W chargers only work if they deliver 2.25A, so some 2A don't charge it for some reason. Also, I don't know if some usb-c cables are more potent than others, but while the provided usb-c cable works (it's quite short though) another one I took from a wall usb-c adapter doesn't even though it allows simple data transfer.
It's a shame that we can't update firmware, even from a Windows laptop. By the way, it totally doubles as an external monitor for a laptop either with miracast or by plugging it with the same usb-c.
It's also annoying that I haven't found a reliable way to power it off and not put it in idle mode, so sometimes it drains overnight :/
I'm putting it aside for now, and I'll wait for the 'Linux on DeX' thzt samsung promised us, that will be a game changer!
erclalle said:
Good to see such a thread! I sport the elite Dock since december as well, and I may have posted an issue elsewhere, which I'll repeat here as well, the 45W chargers only work if they deliver 2.25A, so some 2A don't charge it for some reason. Also, I don't know if some usb-c cables are more potent than others, but while the provided usb-c cable works (it's quite short though) another one I took from a wall usb-c adapter doesn't even though it allows simple data transfer.
It's a shame that we can't update firmware, even from a Windows laptop. By the way, it totally doubles as an external monitor for a laptop either with miracast or by plugging it with the same usb-c.
It's also annoying that I haven't found a reliable way to power it off and not put it in idle mode, so sometimes it drains overnight :/
I'm putting it aside for now, and I'll wait for the 'Linux on DeX' thzt samsung promised us, that will be a game changer!
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Yeah.. I once panicked since I lost the charger.. Buying some 45W USB C charger doesn't help, and thankfully I finally found it back...
I think the way to turn it off is by pusing the power button for several seconds? I usually did that and helped the battery reserves...
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Yeah.. I once panicked since I lost the charger.. Buying some 45W USB C charger doesn't help, and thankfully I finally found it back...
I think the way to turn it off is by pusing the power button for several seconds? I usually did that and helped the battery reserves...
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I actually did not want to use the stock charger since it uses USA power plugs (and I couldn't find the european end bit, even though it's a modular bit) so I used the Inotech 45W charger found on amazon, and it works!
erclalle said:
I actually did not want to use the stock charger since it uses USA power plugs (and I couldn't find the european end bit, even though it's a modular bit) so I used the Inotech 45W charger found on amazon, and it works!
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Wow, thanks for the input!
Could you share me the link? Thanks
StardustGeass said:
Wow, thanks for the input!
Could you share me the link? Thanks
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sorry mistyped, 45W Inateck*. For some reason it disappeared from the French Amazon where I bought it, this is the usa amazon link, http://a.co/9E42eSW , but if you look for it in your country's store, you'll find different end plug parts
Hi, here are my experiences
i have a g955fd and hp lapdock.
Was Nougat aql5.
Now is CRB7.
No custom rom till now.
With aql5 got no wireless connection.
With crb7 get no cable connection.
with aql5 no display but working keyboard
with crb7 working display (no dex) but keyboard error: all keys are doubled
Someone else with these problems?
Are these problems solved somewhere?
Xamadeu said:
Hi, here are my experiences
i have a g955fd and hp lapdock.
Was Nougat aql5.
Now is CRB7.
No custom rom till now.
With aql5 got no wireless connection.
With crb7 get no cable connection.
with aql5 no display but working keyboard
with crb7 working display (no dex) but keyboard error: all keys are doubled
Someone else with these problems?
Are these problems solved somewhere?
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Sadly no... Main problem is, Samsung check whether the device is dex compatible or not.. Only way to bypass it is by flashing custom kernel...
Now, got a cable connection also with new firmware, but not reliable. A question of order of connecting and powering?
But still no display with cable.
Anybody else with same problems?
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StardustGeass said:
Sadly no... Main problem is, Samsung check whether the device is dex compatible or not.. Only way to bypass it is by flashing custom kernel...
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Well, i aim to flash custom for dex, but that only brings dektop, but will it bring bugfix for double keys when wireless or dark display when cable connection respectively?
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And mouse pad did not work ever.
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The windows app for firmware updates of lapdock should work with win 10. I have none. Did somebody try?
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Does somebody know how to check firmware version without windows app? I found some pictures/vids with light grey screen when connecting and other with dark screen. Which is newer? Mine is light grey.
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Does somebody know, which firmware versions exist and what the differences are? Found no web-infos till now.
Xamadeu said:
Now, got a cable connection also with new firmware, but not reliable. A question of order of connecting and powering?
But still no display with cable.
Anybody else with same problems?
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Well, i aim to flash custom for dex, but that only brings dektop, but will it bring bugfix for double keys when wireless or dark display when cable connection respectively?
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And mouse pad did not work ever.
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The windows app for firmware updates of lapdock should work with win 10. I have none. Did somebody try?
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1. For cable connection :
To be honest I don't have problem with cable connection (using batrom on nougat and renovate on Oreo). Well, sometimes it doesn't detect the keyboard / mouse or displays a non-HD screen. But, a simple reconnect fixes the problem.
2. Regarding flashing custom ROM and bug fix :
So far, I don't think so..
3. For mouse pad:
Mouse pad only works on Oreo firmware, and when there is no mouse input device.. It usually doesn't show up on hp elite, since hp elite already have TouchPad.
4. Regarding windows update :
AFAIK, you can only upgrade it using hp elite x3 phone. Currently no way to upgrade it using android..
Thanks!
https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/sto...6293c7bd37df961b9b369d)(213688)(2527854)()()#
and some say it works on lumia also.
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my light grey screen says
lap dock 083af 8.0.11.0!? Is it a firmware version? What does yours say?
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The cable bug display dark: any settings of s8+ wrong? display resolution? (already tried all three variants)
Xamadeu said:
Thanks!
https://www.microsoft.com/de-de/sto...6293c7bd37df961b9b369d)(213688)(2527854)()()#
and some say it works on lumia also.
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my light grey screen says
lap dock 083af 8.0.11.0!? Is it a firmware version? What does yours say?
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The cable bug display dark: any settings of s8+ wrong? display resolution? (already tried all three variants)
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1. Yes, since lumia is a windows phone... I don't have one though, so can't say a thing about it...
2. What Grey screen you mean?
3. What do you mean by display dark? No output at all?
Yes, no output at all, attached is my grey screen.
and the dark display when cable is connected, picture taken by s8+, only thing you see is reflection of the screen.
This guy has no grey connection screen like me! But a dark connection screen.
https://windowsarea.de/2017/01/hp-hat-eine-eigene-wartungs-app-fuer-hp-elite-x3-lap-dock/
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I can reproduce the cable problem: it seems to be the cable itself.
if i turn the plug the connection works or not.
if i swap both ends of the cable, the situation keeps the same.