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Hi all
What is the general consensus for the best resolution for playing movies on the tablet considering the screen it comes with?
I am heading overseas shortly and so wanted to look at whether I convert some of my large movies to a smaller filesize and if I do what resolution is ideal.
That of course could lead on to the app people use for said conversion (but that is very subjective to each individual).
Cheers
Well since our screen supports 1080P i would say that is also the ideal resolution now I don't think that your movies are any higher resolution than that so it is also very subjective what resolution is 'optimal' it will always be a tradeoff between quality and filesize, personally I don't really see that much difference between 1080 and 720. With 480p I do really see a difference. But I would say that is sufficient for your trip.
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The ideal format for the XPERIA Tablet Z (and well any other modern tablet) is h.264 .mp4 AVC. The tablet's screen is WUXGA (1920x1200), so itnis perfect for 1080p. Sony's official whitepaper states the device supports up to 20Mbps, somI recommend encoding your video to that bit rate for maximum quality. A bit rate of 15Mbps is also a good compromise if you still want high quality, while 11.5Mbps is still ideal. 7.5Mbps 720p is also suitable if you dont mind sacrificing some quality.
I have an eye for low quality, but if you are dealing with feature length live action movies here, handbraking them to 10Mbps h264 1070p should do.
I myself use 15Mbps. I can provide a screencap of a 15Mbps video on the tablet if you want one.
Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
Check this topic: forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1033748/shield-tv/tidal-hifi-native-app-vs-tidal-hifi-airplay-from-iphone/
I am using PLAY-Fi app on Samsung Galaxy 8 phone with TIDAL Hi-Fi to stream music to ANTHEM MRX 720. The sound is nearly flawless.
I tried NVDIA Shield connected using HDMI to ANTHEM MRX 720 with TIDAL on and HiFi streaming and sound was abosulutely terrible. There might be a bug in their software I have no other explaination for this.
Thanks, at least I am not alone! I will try uninstall /reinstall the Tidal app, but want to tell I have made an extensive post on GeForce forum, in the thread regarding the 6.3 update.
I have also asked what quality we do have to expect from Nvidia to Avr.
Tidal app has been released for Google Tv one month ago, so everything is new.
I have seen the article you mentioned, but it is not referred to this update.
Thanks for the heads up to the app on the phone you use, will try with other equipment in the house.
Hope we will sort this out, not a big problem, but as we have support and pay a subscription, I like to have gear working properly. Nvidia has big long term support for this hardware, so I am confident.
Regards
Alessandro
Red better the other thread you mentioned. Similar outcome. I also tried uninstalling and reinstalling the App, no changes. The different audible quality is high. The reply from Nvidia on Geforce is not sufficient.
Do you know if the Shield can pass AAC through its Hdmi output?
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
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I know this is an old post, so maybe you've figured this out already? But in case you haven't, the answer is that 48k PCM *is* HiFi.
CD quality is 44.1 k PCM, by comparison.
What's confusing you I think is that 48k PCM does not mean 48k bits/second, it means 48k samples per second, and 16 bit samples at that. Per channel. So the bit rate for CD, for example is 44,100 x 16 bit x 2 = 1,411,200 bps. or 1,411 kbps.
It would be ideal if the Shield output just that, but as I understand it, the Shield upscales to 48k instead of outputting at the native 44.1k So it's outputting at 1,536 kbps!
Compare to the lesser 320 kps AAC to which you refer!
Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
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Very strange. You see AAC is a lossy format like MP3, whereas PCM is lossless.
OK 320 kpbs AAC usually sounds pretty good, because that's a high bit rate for a lossy format, but it's lossy all the same. Whereas PCM is the format the source is almost certainly recorded in.
It's unfortunate that the Shield outputs everything at 48 kHz, but even so, the conversion of 44.1 k PCM to 48 k PCM should introduce far less distortion that conversion to 320 k AAC.
Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
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Sure, I am not questioning what you are hearing. I just said "very strange".
Android TV app
Hello everyone! Do you know which version of the app is it :
If you know or have the .apk file, I would be grateful !
I'm trying to find it for my android TV box because Play Store installs me the 2.11.3 version which is difficult to use on android tv with only a remote.
Thank you guys !
I am an avid song listener and bought Poco f1 a month ago due to it's Amazing specs and camera. I happen to have some hi res 24 bit 88.2 Hz flac songs. Will i'll be able to play these songs on their highest quality on Poco f1? If yes, then how? Do i need to have an external dac or just Hi Res headphones with poweramp will do the trick?
RajDaBest12 said:
I am an avid song listener and bought Poco f1 a month ago due to it's Amazing specs and camera. I happen to have some hi res 24 bit 88.2 Hz flac songs. Will i'll be able to play these songs on their highest quality on Poco f1? If yes, then how? Do i need to have an external dac or just Hi Res headphones with poweramp will do the trick?
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Supposing that you can hear the difference you need a 24 bit DAC (I highly doubt the one inside the poco is 24bit) and a good pair of headphone. Not worth to be played on the poco. For most human 320Kbps mp3 would sound the same
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Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
After I bought the Mate 20 Pro I will never buy a Huawei phone again until they fix the crappy headphone audio quality. Why my Anker Soundcore Spirit sound on PC 10x better than on the Mate 20 Pro? And I am not talking about wired headphones. Forget it completely. You can't listen music on this device with wired headphones without getting ear pain. At least with the included USB-C-Adapter.
kentajalli said:
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
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So in summary it's ****e.? Note 9 exynos dac is better?
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I don't think Neutron connects directly to the device DAC. You said in your own post that disabling Dolby Atmos makes a difference to the sound, and it seems unlikely that it's the DAC that's doing the Atmos processing. Might be wrong though.
Sorry for the English with errors, I'm using a translator.
I would like to solve a question about the specifications of the camera of Xiaomi Mi 10 PRO. I am interested in purchasing this model.
My question is regarding the audio bitrate when making video recordings.
When researching various models, they all worked at 92 kbps.
I searched on several sites, but only one YouTube video even commented that the Mi 10 PRO had a 320 kbps bitrate.
I would like to resolve this doubt, as I already have a Xiaomi Mi5, which I purchased right after the launch (I used the Miui 7 and 8 China) and it worked with 92 kbps.
When I needed to film a music event with the Mi5, only my smartphone presented serious audio problems (hissing, popping, etc., where it was not even possible to hear the singers). My friends who used other smartphones (Samsung, Apple and Huawei) did not have these problems. My recording was lost.
I currently have a Huawei P10 and it did not present this type of problems. When checking the bitrate, it uses 192 kbps.
As I am about to change smartphones, I would like you to answer this question, as I really like Xiaomi smartphones, I like MIUI features, but I would not like to have to dispose of a smartphone again because of the audio...
If possible, what would be the audio bitrates when recording in FullHD 30/60 fps, 4K and other resolutions?
They increased the audio bitrate to 320 kbps.
I own a Mi 10 and can confirm it.
:good:
They switch for the first time to 320
Thanks for the return.
Does this setting work on recordings of all resolutions? I usually use FullHD at 60 fps.
In very noisy places, like concerts or stadiums, for example, is the audio good? I ask about the microphone (hardware)