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just wondering how well S4 Zoom in the market? S4 Zoom owner pls sign in tell us more what you feel after got ur Zoom.
the development doesn't seem expending bad product? or any other reasons?
since the samsung pixon12 i was waiting for a phone like this.
its not a popular phone and i like it stay that way.
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since the samsung pixon12 i was waiting for a phone like this.
its not a popular phone and i like it stay that way.
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I agree with you it is not as popular as other smartphones. I think this is heavily due to its size and the probably the lumia 1020. But so far i am using the s4 zoom for 2 weeks i have not yet encountered any problems. I have use its camera in day and night and the picture quality really makes me dont care about its size. Bought straps to pull it out easily from my pocket and a cover that protect the screen so that i could the phone upside down without the scare of scratching my phone. Many of my friends were like "what is that is a phone?" when the phone rings. A few of my friends said the would buy it but majority of them did not like the big size of the phone. I am quite impressed with its battery life. For my normal usage with my data plan turn on it could easily last one and a half day. However if i snap a lot of pictures using the xenon flash it could only last for one full day which i am still more then happy with it. In terms of gaming apps i haven't yet put it to the test yet. So far for apps not even a single app has crash and the phone has never went on a software crash. Fought with my friends iphone 5 siri and was quite happy with results. I am starting to love this unique phone.
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I agree with you it is not as popular as other smartphones. I think this is heavily due to its size and the probably the lumia 1020. But so far i am using the s4 zoom for 2 weeks i have not yet encountered any problems. I have use its camera in day and night and the picture quality really makes me dont care about its size. Bought straps to pull it out easily from my pocket and a cover that protect the screen so that i could the phone upside down without the scare of scratching my phone. Many of my friends were like "what is that is a phone?" when the phone rings. A few of my friends said the would buy it but majority of them did not like the big size of the phone. I am quite impressed with its battery life. For my normal usage with my data plan turn on it could easily last one and a half day. However if i snap a lot of pictures using the xenon flash it could only last for one full day which i am still more then happy with it. In terms of gaming apps i haven't yet put it to the test yet. So far for apps not even a single app has crash and the phone has never went on a software crash. Fought with my friends iphone 5 siri and was quite happy with results. I am starting to love this unique phone.
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I don't mind to have a multi purpose device even through it's size is bigger It always my dream to have a camera + smart phone together. :victory:
but shame of samsung, it doesn't launch LTE at my region
I agree with you. Most of the cellphone are pretty much the same, big screen, better cpu's etc... i want my device to be more than that. To be a multi function device.
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I agree with you. Most of the cellphone are pretty much the same, big screen, better cpu's etc... i want my device to be more than that. To be a multi function device.
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Yeah
I love my new s4 zoom too.:laugh:
I was previously using note2 which function well but without optical zoom
the s4 zoom 24-240mm equivalent lens and the relatively bigger sensor make it a perfect handy backup camera for daily use.:good:
as a father of 2 children, I can hardly always carry my sony NEX mirrorless system around
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just wondering how well S4 Zoom in the market? S4 Zoom owner pls sign in tell us more what you feel after got ur Zoom.
the development doesn't seem expending bad product? or any other reasons?
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Seems this phone not popular cuz of the design, its a CAMERA with phone function . But i bought one to replace my trusted camera phone PV808 (symbian :crying. this camera + android function really a good choice for casual photographers
totally love it ! yeah, our phone/camera -multidevice its something more then casual trend, but why not, we are geeks My "problem" was, that i won it in one competetion, & i was not really decided if i want it, keep it or sell it... but ive decided to keep it, start using it & from that time its really hard for me to leave him for a sec im totally amazed, photos are perfect (for me as a casual photographer), performance is great, ive tested all the new games (asphalt8 too) and they works without any problem.... i love my SGS4 ZOOM !
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I love my new s4 zoom too.:laugh:
I was previously using note2 which function well but without optical zoom
the s4 zoom 24-240mm equivalent lens and the relatively bigger sensor make it a perfect handy backup camera for daily use.:good:
as a father of 2 children, I can hardly always carry my sony NEX mirrorless system around
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Haha Someone with a similar thought process as me. Im a NEX owner (not a father though, does a dog count?). Im due for an upgrade in the next few months and have been umming and arring about this one. I tend to carry a point and shoot with me everywhere. My thoughts were that this, although much bigger than my blackberry that I currently use, would be a smaller alternative to the combination I carry with me on a day to day basis.
I also have a Nikon v1, but thats a discussion for a different forum.
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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Wow! If I believed in massive hardware issues and build quality so poor it's rare to find one without malfunction, I'd put my money elsewhere.
Well I'm on my third Z2... But, as far as custom rims go it's just like Sammy. Stock based roms are near perfect and AOSP based roms will have their share of problems. Honestly though, a stock Sony rom that is rooted is excellent. The slow motion camera capability is my favorite. Far better 120fps capability than the iphone5s and Find7.
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Wow! If I believed in massive hardware issues and build quality so poor it's rare to find one without malfunction, I'd put my money elsewhere.
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There are some week productions which are "better" than others but it is hard to check in shop what week was phone manufactured. Generally newer batches are better than earlier.
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Well I'm on my third Z2... But, as far as custom rims go it's just like Sammy. Stock based roms are near perfect and AOSP based roms will have their share of problems. Honestly though, a stock Sony rom that is rooted is excellent. The slow motion camera capability is my favorite. Far better 120fps capability than the iphone5s and Find7.
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So in AOSP ROM I will not be able to use stock camera app because its files are not open source like in Samsung?
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There are some week productions which are "better" than others but it is hard to check in shop what week was phone manufactured.
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I understood there was a tag by the SD slot. Open box, check tag, return phone, hardly rocket science.
Super happy
Maybe I'm just lucky but my Z2 is perfect. I've switched to CyanogenMod, as the camera now works there as well (came from a S3 running CM11
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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1. Touch To Focus works like a charm on Z2!!!
And my Z2 is just perfect.
Buy!
I agree. I have no problems with my device either. Remember, Sony sold millions of these units. All manufacturing has some degree of lemons. I have to believe in this case it is under 5%. I say buy as well.
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I got batch 14w17 for which ppl say has lots of issues
as for my unit, I'd say its perfect, has none of issues, recorded around 8 mins of 4k with steady shot on 30 C, mixed direct sunlight and shadow,
i think it only has a slight gap on a top, but a paper can barely fit in
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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"Huge hardware issues". The only issues I have is this forum with this constant harping on about "batches". This mobile is manufactured on an ongoing production line. There are NO BATCHES. It is not produced like bread where one hour the baker bakes one sort of bread then stops to bake a different sort, this is batches.
The Z2 is in constant manufacture, that tab on the phone is the week and year it was made, it signifies nothing except the date of manufacture.
Sony are well respected for their quality control and this mobile is no different. In every days production a lemon or two will be produced as in ALL THINGS WE BUY.
THE problem with the Z2 is the nonsense written here about batches and "Huge hardware issues" that are only in the uneducated minds of a tiny minority who write utter rubbish on this forum. The Z2 is as good as any other flag ship mobile presently available. If you don't believe this go look at the threads on any other flag ship phone on this very forum.
"Huge hardware issues" indeed. Some of you would believe in Santa clause if some idiot wrote about him here.
Ryland
Well atleast 1 straight thinking guy, but dont even try, i did, and all you get in return is getting attacked and insulted lol. 1 man started this batch nonsense and now it wont stop no matter what, and it seems like for example slightly off centered camera(where does it even say it has to be centered???) is considered as serious defect by some, or even hardware issue. This is hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
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"Huge hardware issues". The only issues I have is this forum with this constant harping on about "batches". This mobile is manufactured on an ongoing production line. There are NO BATCHES. It is not produced like bread where one hour the baker bakes one sort of bread then stops to bake a different sort, this is batches.
The Z2 is in constant manufacture, that tab on the phone is the week and year it was made, it signifies nothing except the date of manufacture.
Sony are well respected for their quality control and this mobile is no different. In every days production a lemon or two will be produced as in ALL THINGS WE BUY.
THE problem with the Z2 is the nonsense written here about batches and "Huge hardware issues" that are only in the uneducated minds of a tiny minority who write utter rubbish on this forum. The Z2 is as good as any other flag ship mobile presently available. If you don't believe this go look at the threads on any other flag ship phone on this very forum.
"Huge hardware issues" indeed. Some of you would believe in Santa clause if some idiot wrote about him here.
Ryland
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Are you sure? Who said there cannot be defected phones with off-centered cameras as example?
Of course they are in constant production - but that doesn't exclude possibility to get phone with some defects.
They can manufacture 1000 phones till Quality Control finds example off-centered camera. They correct problem and next phones are fine, but those 1000 go to shops as they still work properly, but have visual issues. People who don't know about such issues like this will not return phone and generate costs for Sony, so they can count on people's poor knownledge.
Don't believe in Quality Control, only a fool believes in this. They check one phone per few dozen thousands and that's all.
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Are you sure? Who said there cannot be defected phones with off-centered cameras as example?
Of course they are in constant production - but that doesn't exclude possibility to get phone with some defects.
They can manufacture 1000 phones till Quality Control finds example off-centered camera. They correct problem and next phones are fine, but those 1000 go to shops as they still work properly, but have visual issues. People who don't know about such issues like this will not return phone and generate costs for Sony, so they can count on people's poor knownledge.
Don't believe in Quality Control, only a fool believes in this. They check one phone per few dozen thousands and that's all.
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The days of using micrometres to gauge acceptable tolerances have long gone. Such measurements are now made by laser beam. SOME will escape all human efforts to exclude a lemon reaching the shops but that is why a two year guarantee is given!
No were have I written a lemon will not be found but the % these days with modern QA is tiny in comparison to days gone bye. Of course some poor soul will buy a mobile that has issues. Point is it has NOTHING to do with non existent batches and all to do with being given a guarantee by Sony.
If you are going to base what you buy on what you read on the WWW I suggest you don't buy any mobile at all and use public phones if they are working and not vandalised.
Ryland
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hello,
I still think about getting Z2, despite of huge hardware issues like overheating. I have few questions to be asked:
1. I found in camcorder (video mode) there is no possible to use "touch to focus" feature. You cannot select what point is to be focused. Right?
2. How much do I need to undervolt CPU and GPU to avoid overheating during 4K filming or just in very hot sunny day?
3. If I install custom ROM, will camera remain as usable as in stock ROM? Example in Samsung often custom ROMs couldn't have the same camera as stock ROM because stock ROM camera used system parts not accessible for custom ROMs - ie. Samsung's deep level files.
So in custom ROMs camera was crap.
4. Is there still plenty of defect batches of phones? We all know Sony manufactured plenty of crap phones and rare of them is without malfunction - bad bezels, jinky camera ect.
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1. from what i've seen there is no touch to focus with video in xperia. Whether that is good or bad is debatable. if subjects around you are in the same focal range then you can pan around and things are in focus, this implies subject is stationary. If it isn't then it will be out of focus and here the z2 focuses fast enough provided it can get a bearing on the subject. That is to say subject fills up more of the screen than not. In some cases it can be a pain but in others it can be more practical. This is highly dependendent on the video you are making.
2. try not to get too carried away with 4k. This is a new feature and current hardware struggles to keep up. samsung limits recording to 5 minutes, g3 reduces bitrate to 30Mbits (s5 records in 48Mbiits and Z2 at 55 Mbits) and still imposes a 5 minute limit. Z2 does not impose any limit. What is more important is whether Z2 can do 1080p without issues and i've not heard any one complain about this.
As for general heating wait for the next firmware to drop and see whether people confirm it makes a difference or not.
3. custom roms means camera functions are limited. This applies with any model except nexus whose camera is public source.
4. faults are reduced with later batches is the most that can be said here. If its a pretty phone then earlier batches will have more issues. if you are in a position to exchange the phone when you notice defect then there is no problem ,but if you are importing from another country this will be difficult.
I have the same dilemma as you but for entirely different reasons. I'm deciding between the k zoom & z2
A mid range with all mid range entails, bulkier phone coupled with a camera with optical zoom vs a flagship that in most respects is well rounded and contender for flagship of the year whose only rival will be the z3.
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I got batch 14w17 for which ppl say has lots of issues
as for my unit, I'd say its perfect, has none of issues, recorded around 8 mins of 4k with steady shot on 30 C, mixed direct sunlight and shadow,
i think it only has a slight gap on a top, but a paper can barely fit in
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EXACTLY! Same situation here. Many people saying Batch 14w17 has many issues. Mine is PERFECT. I had the bad call quality issue at the other end, but mine seems to be fixed now..
I had the Z2 and I'm glad I got rid of it so fast. It was my first Sony phone and may be my last one. I didn't like how it felt in hand and yes, the phone has some serious over heating issues. When I had received the phone, I put my Sim card in and installed my apps like I do with every other phone. The phone got so hot by just installing the apps that it threw me off. I'm back to an M8 and I'm very Happy. But to each his own. Some may not experience what I have and love their Z2 but I'm definitely not one of them.
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I say don't risk your money like I've just did on my new Xperia Z1c which turned out to be a disappointment. I read about the flash bleed issues before buying but I just thought it was exaggerated and that some people were just trolling. But when I experienced it myself it turned out to be a major issue. At least now I feel kindda glad I didn't get the Z2 which I also had in mind...I guess if I had bought it I would've had the overheating issues with normal photo shooting.
Anyway I guess it's also depends on the country you're in. I now believe Sony and maybe even other manufacturers ship defective products to third world countries like mine. So if you're living in say germany or the UK then I guess there would be no problems buying the phone.
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I say don't risk your money like I've just did on my new Xperia Z1c which turned out to be a disappointment. I read about the flash bleed issues before buying but I just thought it was exaggerated and that some people were just trolling. But when I experienced it myself it turned out to be a major issue. At least now I feel kindda glad I didn't get the Z2 which I also had in mind...I guess if I had bought it I would've had the overheating issues with normal photo shooting.
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Ask for a replacement, flash bleed is a hardware issue that happened with some Z1 & Z1c units. Unheard of with Z2.
Just like i never heard of people complain about too much heating with the Z1 line.
som3a14 said:
Anyway I guess it's also depends on the country you're in. I now believe Sony and maybe even other manufacturers ship defective products to third world countries like mine. So if you're living in say germany or the UK then I guess there would be no problems buying the phone.
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nonsense.
Ryland Johnson said:
The days of using micrometres to gauge acceptable tolerances have long gone. Such measurements are now made by laser beam. SOME will escape all human efforts to exclude a lemon reaching the shops but that is why a two year guarantee is given!
No were have I written a lemon will not be found but the % these days with modern QA is tiny in comparison to days gone bye. Of course some poor soul will buy a mobile that has issues. Point is it has NOTHING to do with non existent batches and all to do with being given a guarantee by Sony.
If you are going to base what you buy on what you read on the WWW I suggest you don't buy any mobile at all and use public phones if they are working and not vandalised.
Ryland
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Thx for better clarification, I just hope not to get poor phone. I wait till Z3 release to make Z2 prices down - in case of my disappointments, pain will be lower
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1. from what i've seen there is no touch to focus with video in xperia. Whether that is good or bad is debatable. if subjects around you are in the same focal range then you can pan around and things are in focus, this implies subject is stationary. If it isn't then it will be out of focus and here the z2 focuses fast enough provided it can get a bearing on the subject. That is to say subject fills up more of the screen than not. In some cases it can be a pain but in others it can be more practical. This is highly dependendent on the video you are making.
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Hmmm you mean there is no T2F in system camera or it is disabled by driver and no other video apps can use it? I often use T2F because continuous autofocus is bad - can be lost while manual focus stays steady.
2. try not to get too carried away with 4k. This is a new feature and current hardware struggles to keep up. samsung limits recording to 5 minutes, g3 reduces bitrate to 30Mbits (s5 records in 48Mbiits and Z2 at 55 Mbits) and still imposes a 5 minute limit. Z2 does not impose any limit. What is more important is whether Z2 can do 1080p without issues and i've not heard any one complain about this.
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Can you do [email protected] FPS (I will be using only this mode) without heating problems even in direct sunny weather?
3. custom roms means camera functions are limited. This applies with any model except nexus whose camera is public source.
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As same as Samsung it seems.
I have the same dilemma as you but for entirely different reasons. I'm deciding between the k zoom & z2
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Mother of God, if I was to choose between them I'd definitely pick Z2 up
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Hmmm you mean there is no T2F in system camera or it is disabled by driver and no other video apps can use it? I often use T2F because continuous autofocus is bad - can be lost while manual focus stays steady.
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There is no T2F in video with sony. Yes focus will be lost when you pan around but it gets it back quick. There is also some focus hunting which was not there in earlier models in low light. See Shem's videos on YT and you will notice it. Possibly a firmware fix to address this last one.
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Can you do [email protected] FPS (I will be using only this mode) without heating problems even in direct sunny weather?
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I do not know about 60FPS, i tested this in a shop with 1080p and it went 10 minutes without issues. This was after the 2:30 record in 4k which said camera is shutting down.
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Mother of God, if I was to choose between them I'd definitely pick Z2 up
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Haha, i wish i had your clarity of thought. Am referring to k zoom not s4 zoom. k zoom is the successor to the more bulky s4 zoom. The ads can be a bit off putting as they only feature smiling women using this device. It's take two and a definite improvement in terms of form factor over its predecessor. The annoying thing is i know samsung will nail it next year with v3. That means a possible replacement whereas with z2 i don't think i'd bother as soon. Whatever software improvements z3 brings with will end up with z2 thanks to community efforts.
10x Optical zoom and aperture control opens up many possibilities for framing. you will not use zoom all the time but its handy to have when you want it. And once you get used to it, you cannot go back. Put it this way, no flagship without optical zoom will ever compete with it other than the successor to k zoom.They cannot be compared with on this aspect alone. Without zoom z2 is comparable in image quality but there are more camera features on k zoom. Plus and the most important is this is an android device.
But you compromise in other areas that might be unacceptable to those used to flagship performance.
Let me start by saying that I am not attacking his character or calling him clueless in general, but he is obviously amateur to when it comes to using Huawei's phones.
I always thought the results he gets from his P30 Pro are way off when compared to the results other reviewers get from their phones, or from the ones I get from my P30 Pro. They're always overly saturated with tons of contrast. And I never understood the reason until I watched his OP 7 Pro vs S10+ vs P30 Pro camera comparison. And as someone who had the S10+ before this phone, and with my wife still owning her S10+, I know that 8/10 times, the S10 will give you the more saturated picture, which isn't the case with Mrwhosetheboss. Then I finally found out why is this the case with his phone, as it turned out that he is using the Smooth Colors option because he thinks, and I believe based on the name of the mode, it generates less saturation while using this mode. He mentioned this twice in his review, so it's obvious he uses this mode all the time, thus why the P30 Pro in this test lost miserably to the S10 and OP 7 Pro, as the P30 Pro pictures were coming out extremely cartoonish with crushed details in the shadows as if you're using a vignette filter all over your pictures.
I believe that while Huawei are taking these so called professional reviewers on cruise trips all over Europe, they also should educate them on how to use their phones so that they won't spread misinformation to the masses without them realizing that they're doing that.
I apologize for the longass rant, and for my average English.
Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
dule2303 said:
Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
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Maybe he got some extra money to judge like that..
All these paid reviews are actually not worth watching. Find those smaller youtubers who buy the device for themselves and test it.
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All these paid reviews are actually not worth watching. Find those smaller youtubers who buy the device for themselves and test it.
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It's a double edged sword. People who purchase a certain phone (usually because they are interested in it) can also often be huge fanboys of a brand/product, saying crap to validate their purchase, ie. "this $800 phone I just purchased is great, otherwise I'd look like a total idiot!"
That and the fact that they usually don't have the option to compare with so many phones since they have to pay for them.
But there are youtubers where you can easily spot the fact that it's a paid review in some way. Money weighs more than integrity for most people.
Of course
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It's a double edged sword. People who purchase a certain phone (usually because they are interested in it) can also often be huge fanboys of a brand/product, saying crap to validate their purchase, ie. "this $800 phone I just purchased is great, otherwise I'd look like a total idiot!"
That and the fact that they usually don't have the option to compare with so many phones since they have to pay for them.
But there are youtubers where you can easily spot the fact that it's a paid review in some way. Money weighs more than integrity for most people.
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The best thing to do before buying any phone, is watch few reviews from the YouTubers you trust, then head to reddit and XDA to read more from those who bought the device and actually used it.
He always gives positive critics on new products and then after some months stop support his opinion because he don't paid any more. Remember this, when mate 30 pro will launch he would say how incredible camera it has(even if it will have same camera as p30 pro)
papavales said:
He always gives positive critics on new products and then after some months stop support his opinion because he don't paid any more. Remember this, when mate 30 pro will launch he would say how incredible camera it has(even if it will have same camera as p30 pro)
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The thing with the P30 Pro is that he obviously had been using this mode since day one, but until yesterday we knew why his pictures and videos were looking like crap.
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The thing with the P30 Pro is that he obviously had been using this mode since day one, but until yesterday we knew why his pictures and videos were looking like crap.
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I doubt he even updated his firmware. Most reviewers didn't hence why their videos are extra reddish.
Ultimately i guess, waiting a month or two for real reviews on xda or reddit would be the best.
But hye, most of us can't wait , get it on day 1 and regret about it later :laugh: Im quite happy with my p30 pro since updates are quite frequent and most of the color corrections are fixed.
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I doubt he even updated his firmware. Most reviewers didn't hence why their videos are extra reddish.
Ultimately i guess, waiting a month or two for real reviews on xda or reddit would be the best.
But hye, most of us can't wait , get it on day 1 and regret about it later :laugh: Im quite happy with my p30 pro since updates are quite frequent and most of the color corrections are fixed.
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I agree. The S10+ was the first flagship phone I have ever sold less than one month after owning it, and that was because I knew no matter what Samsung does, their lowlight photography won't improve drastically with software updates.
The P30 Pro was also a bit frustrating when I first got it, but from my experience with the P20 Pro, I knew Huawei was going to address the issues and more, and I am extremely satisfied with all the improvements Huawei has brought with their updates.
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I knew Huawei was going to address the issues and more, and I am extremely satisfied with all the improvements Huawei has brought with their updates.
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Would be fair if you rename or make any corrections to your own thread about TOF sensor. With latest updates it does work and hopefully is going to be improved in the future.
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Would be fair if you rename or make any corrections to your own thread about TOF sensor. With latest updates it does work and hopefully is going to be improved in the future.
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While I love my P30 Pro, I'm not going to be biased towards Huawei and give them a pass on something that is obviously not working, or at least not doing anything they promised us it will.
As you can read from the responses on that thread, the vast majority of those who tested my experiment of covering the tof sensor, are still reporting that either way, they came with the same results whether it's the camera app or the AR Measure app.
I'm on .153, and I tested everything, from portrait shots to aperture mode, to night shots, and also low light scenarios, and still, there is ZERO difference between the pictures I get when the tof is covered or uncovered.
Maher.k22 said:
While I love my P30 Pro, I'm not going to be biased towards Huawei and give them a pass on something that is obviously not working, or at least not doing anything they promised us it will.
As you can read from the responses on that thread, the vast majority of those who tested my experiment of covering the tof sensor, are still reporting that either way, they came with the same results whether it's the camera app or the AR Measure app.
I'm on .153, and I tested everything, from portrait shots to aperture mode, to night shots, and also low light scenarios, and still, there is ZERO difference between the pictures I get when the tof is covered or uncovered.
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Try covering it when using thining /re shaping during video?
I think this goes for a lot of those 'celebrity reviewers' on Youtube, most of them are clueless and to be honest quite stupid. They simply review the unit to make money, if what they say and do is wrong seems to be of no importance. Personally i never watch those videos anymore, they have become more of a joke than something to take seriously.
/ Magnus
The P30 Pro's camera capabilities have come a long way if you factor in the improvements from .153 (and now .162 supposedly).
If some of these YT can ensure they're running the latest available firmware, it'll definitely help paint a clearer and more accurate picture but I understand this isn't always possible because of the timings of the video.
Coming from .124, I definitely noticed an improvement but not convinced if all these reviewers are also on it.
yes he is..you can see his latest review for op7p vs n10p vs p30p. seems obvious he is doing for the sake of money instead of real passion
My P30 pro has almost the same issue. Brown skin tones are applied to a heavy contrast effect making them look unnatural (not on smooth color)
This to an extent of making me want to sell the damn thing. I'm assuming it has to do with RYYB sensor. My kid ends up looking like decorated chocolate while the other one (who is on the fairer side) always comes out looking far better and natural.
But then again, Samsung sucks at snapping subjects unless they're completely still, which is next to impossible with kids.
My other gripe is not being able to switch to HDR with just a click instead of having to swim my way through the menu.
I'm hoping software fix is around the corner.
So Mr. whosetheboss comparison isn't all that wrong...his skin tone will ALWAYS be oversaturated, and I believe this is to do with the sensor.
dule2303 said:
Finally someone will write something about this person. His tests are absolutely incorrect, I blocked him and I no longer look at his reviews
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Let me start by saying that I am not attacking his character or calling him clueless in general, but he is obviously amateur to when it comes to using Huawei's phones.
I always thought the results he gets from his P30 Pro are way off when compared to the results other reviewers get from their phones, or from the ones I get from my P30 Pro. They're always overly saturated with tons of contrast. And I never understood the reason until I watched his OP 7 Pro vs S10+ vs P30 Pro camera comparison. And as someone who had the S10+ before this phone, and with my wife still owning her S10+, I know that 8/10 times, the S10 will give you the more saturated picture, which isn't the case with Mrwhosetheboss. Then I finally found out why is this the case with his phone, as it turned out that he is using the Smooth Colors option because he thinks, and I believe based on the name of the mode, it generates less saturation while using this mode. He mentioned this twice in his review, so it's obvious he uses this mode all the time, thus why the P30 Pro in this test lost miserably to the S10 and OP 7 Pro, as the P30 Pro pictures were coming out extremely cartoonish with crushed details in the shadows as if you're using a vignette filter all over your pictures.
I believe that while Huawei are taking these so called professional reviewers on cruise trips all over Europe, they also should educate them on how to use their phones so that they won't spread misinformation to the masses without them realizing that they're doing that.
I apologize for the longass rant, and for my average English.
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Why u two rely only on him? Check more vids linus ranting Huawei all time because he is an a***ole because everything from china is s**t for him..
Best is to test device by self
he isnt boss, he is mrwhosethef*ck
Having had the phone a few days now I've had time test the camera properly. I've noticed it tends to soften images, this is particularly noticeable with pets highlighted in the fur.
Coming from the pixel 4 it's pretty disappointing that it can't compete in a lot of instances.
The first few pics I took were absolutely awful. I updated the software and this improved the camera considerably. What's the chances of the camera software improving with further updates? Anyone coming from other Samsung devices that's had the camera improve with updates?
Really love everything else about the phone and don't really wanna return it.
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Having had the phone a few days now I've had time test the camera properly. I've noticed it tends to soften images, this is particularly noticeable with pets highlighted in the fur.
Coming from the pixel 4 it's pretty disappointing that it can't compete in a lot of instances.
The first few pics I took were absolutely awful. I updated the software and this improved the camera considerably. What's the chances of the camera software improving with further updates? Anyone coming from other Samsung devices that's had the camera improve with updates?
Really love everything else about the phone and don't really wanna return it.
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The softening your seeing is Sammy's processing. Complete garbage. It's the same on all their phones. Including my note 10+.
GCam mods are superior
That sucks. Guessing we won't be seeing a working exynos gcam version any time soon either.
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That sucks. Guessing we won't be seeing a working exynos gcam version any time soon either.
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ZGCAM works ok on Exynos, I can't seem to apply the configs though, worth you giving it a try to see how you find it
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ZGCAM works ok on Exynos, I can't seem to apply the configs though, worth you giving it a try to see how you find it
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
Coming from a Pixel 4a the camera quality is VERY disappointing if you're using your cell phone camera to take pictures of anything that isn't a non-moving well-lit object. Lots of detail is lost especially when the subject is a person - facial features are smoothed out and that makes the hair look really blended together. Disabling the scene optimizer seems to help but you can't disable this in Portrait mode.
I have GCam installed but haven't had a chance to tweak the settings. It's better than the stock camera but........ coming from a $350 phone to an $800 phone and I still need to tweak camera settings???? Can't really express how disappointed I am in the camera quality and there is stock post processing is almost impossible to turn off.
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
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I believe they are "settings" that users share to give best performance in certain situations, I might be wrong though, that's my interpretation of them.
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I've just got it now thanks, I'll have a play with it. What are the configs for?
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I just seen another post and realised that the "configs" folder needs to be renaed to "configs7" to work, I have only found N10Z4 config to work so far, others crash the app.
Here's the link from the other post by Beserker15 https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/settings09/
Hi there. My camera is truly appalling, and significantly worse than the S10 I traded in. All photos on any setting are grainy and noisy. I can't get a good quality photo from a metre away in good light. Does anyone know if this is a software issue they are going to release a fix for? If not, I'm going to send it back I think.
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Hi there. My camera is truly appalling, and significantly worse than the S10 I traded in. All photos on any setting are grainy and noisy. I can't get a good quality photo from a metre away in good light. Does anyone know if this is a software issue they are going to release a fix for? If not, I'm going to send it back I think.
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Mine was like this right out of the box. The first software update improved it a lot but it's still very disappointing.
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Coming from a Pixel 4a the camera quality is VERY disappointing if you're using your cell phone camera to take pictures of anything that isn't a non-moving well-lit object. Lots of detail is lost especially when the subject is a person - facial features are smoothed out and that makes the hair look really blended together. Disabling the scene optimizer seems to help but you can't disable this in Portrait mode.
I have GCam installed but haven't had a chance to tweak the settings. It's better than the stock camera but........ coming from a $350 phone to an $800 phone and I still need to tweak camera settings???? Can't really express how disappointed I am in the camera quality and there is stock post processing is almost impossible to turn off.
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My thoughts exactly, I'm sending it back this week. I was gonna go for the ultra instead but I asked the question over there and it seems while it's a step up from the regular S21 it's still very disappointing. In just gonna keep the pixel 4 till something decent comes out. Probably the next pixel now.
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My thoughts exactly, I'm sending it back this week. I was gonna go for the ultra instead but I asked the question over there and it seems while it's a step up from the regular S21 it's still very disappointing. In just gonna keep the pixel 4 till something decent comes out. Probably the next pixel now.
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The next actual "high end" pixel that comes out (not some mid-range device) my note 10+ is going bye bye. Never gonna look back at Samsung again.
The camera is good for outdoor. These pictures have been shot from approximately 150 meters [hand-held]. Please see it as a guide for you.
How's the audio zoom working in videos? Does the audio actually zoom in that direction or does it just get louder?
Agree the camera/app is disappointing. Hopefully they get it improved soon
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The camera is good for outdoor. These pictures have been shot from approximately 150 meters [hand-held]. Please see it as a guide for you.
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Every new phone nowadays does a good enough job outdoors in daylight. The slew of problems with Samsungs camera come right after that. Especially indoors. Shutter lag and HDR always on no matter what you set it to just kill the camera. Samsung desperately needs ZSL.
Seems the stock camera in S23 line has issues not solved yet that lot of users are complaining, I think is the time to create a thread to make Samsung aware of what is wrong with the S23 Ultra too and solve it ASAP:
SOME REFERENCES
Major update released for Galaxy S23 series, improves camera
https://www.tizenhelp.com/major-update-released-for-galaxy-s23-improves-camera/ 1. A function has been added to the gallery so that you can immediately delete photos that are being processed immediately after taking them with the camera. 2...
forum.xda-developers.com
S23 / S23 Plus
Galaxy S23 camera may have a hardware issue that Samsung hasn’t addressed yet
Many Galaxy S23/S23+ have an hardware issue on the main camera that causes permanent blurred and smudged spots, Samsung refuses to aknowledge the issue and fix it.
Banana soft focus issues
Soft focus examples
Samsung Galaxy S23 and S23+ owners report irritating camera blur that could be lens-based
Are your Samsung Galaxy S23 photos strangely blurry? You aren’t alone
If there is a hardware issue, Samsung should recall all the units affected
The idea of this thread is when you go to Samsung support, you will have something in the case they say that this is not happening.
All of those links refer only to 23 and 23+. They even say that the 23Ultra isn't affected by these issues.
This not, but you can go to the first link where I have added a comparison between Samsung apps taking photos and GCAM, and in my opinion, Samsung has an issue with fusing photos in ExpertRAW.
You're posting in the wrong forum.
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You're posting in the wrong forum.
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I think you should read my post
THIS POLL IS FOR S23 ULTRA USERS ONLY
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All of those links refer only to 23 and 23+. They even say that the 23Ultra isn't affected by these issues.
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In the S23 Ultra there is an issue with the camera, because in PRO Mode is noise reduction is heavy applied, maybe not the same issues of other models, but there is an issue with the stock camera and Expert RAW camera.
Try to open a Expert RAW raw shot as High Eficiency RAW in Photoshop and it will be heavy underexposed. Cameras in this phone has issues.
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In the S23 Ultra there is an issue with the camera, because in PRO Mode is noise reduction is heavy applied, maybe not the same issues of other models, but there is an issue with the stock camera and Expert RAW camera.
Try to open a Expert RAW raw shot as High Eficiency RAW in Photoshop and it will be heavy underexposed. Cameras in this phone has issues.
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True. Just that your links do not mention the 23ultra. It is annoying that a 1400 euro phone has ****e cameras.
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I think you should read my post
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I think you should read my post
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I think you should read the article you posted that says, the S23 ultra isn't affected by it.
Mod edit: thread moved to the more appropriate S23 section. Thank you for your understanding.
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Mod edit: thread moved to the more appropriate S23 section. Thank you for your understanding.
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I understand that today all like TikTok videos, but sometimes is good to read what is written...
What part this message is not clear to you?
"Seems the stock camera in S23 line has issues not solved yet that lot of users are complaining, I think is the time to create a thread to make Samsung aware of what is wrong with the S23 Ultra too and solve it ASAP: "
The correct forum is S23 ULTRA or Samsung contacted you to move this thread? as you see 8 people has issues with the camera.
THIS POLL IS FOR S23 ULTRA USERS ONLY
We moderators are human, we sometimes make mistakes. Don't be rude.
Thread moved to the correct section.
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I understand that today all like TikTok videos, but sometimes is good to read what is written...
What part this message is not clear to you?
"Seems the stock camera in S23 line has issues not solved yet that lot of users are complaining, I think is the time to create a thread to make Samsung aware of what is wrong with the S23 Ultra too and solve it ASAP: "
The correct forum is S23 ULTRA or Samsung contacted you to move this thread? as you see 8 people has issues with the camera.
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Hey chill out buddy, I clearly was misled by the not so clear thread/poll coherence. Now I stand corrected and was about to move the thread back to the S23U section but my friend @V0latyle took care of it.
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Hey chill out buddy, I clearly was misled by the not so clear thread/poll coherence. Now I stand corrected and was about to move the thread back to the S23U section but my friend @V0latyle took care of it.
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Thanks!
Almost 6 years separate the OnePlus 5T from the S23+ and still, the 5T gets better definition and focus, despite the fact that the 5T already has enough problems with the Camera.
But Samsung continues to say that it is a function and characteristic of the lens of the S23+ what is clearly seen in the "banana" effect is a circle of blur, perhaps not because of the sensor but because of the poor construction of the lens. I, like many others, feel cheated for having bought the S23.
Look at the photos and draw conclusions.
OnePlus 5T
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5T vs S23+
Phone gets hot filming 5+ minutes.
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Almost 6 years separate the OnePlus 5T from the S23+ and still, the 5T gets better definition and focus, despite the fact that the 5T already has enough problems with the Camera.
But Samsung continues to say that it is a function and characteristic of the lens of the S23+ what is clearly seen in the "banana" effect is a circle of blur, perhaps not because of the sensor but because of the poor construction of the lens. I, like many others, feel cheated for having bought the S23.
Look at the photos and draw conclusions.
OnePlus 5T
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5T vs S23+
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Agree with all that. Somehow Samsung photos look good as long as you view them only on the mobile screen. I think for most people that's fine. But we should definatelly excpect more from device with such price tag.
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Almost 6 years separate the OnePlus 5T from the S23+ and still, the 5T gets better definition and focus, despite the fact that the 5T already has enough problems with the Camera.
But Samsung continues to say that it is a function and characteristic of the lens of the S23+ what is clearly seen in the "banana" effect is a circle of blur, perhaps not because of the sensor but because of the poor construction of the lens. I, like many others, feel cheated for having bought the S23.
Look at the photos and draw conclusions.
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Could you please try to shot RAW with ExpertRAW to check if you find the same issues?
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Agree with all that. Somehow Samsung photos look good as long as you view them only on the mobile screen. I think for most people that's fine. But we should definatelly excpect more from device with such price tag.
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I agree with you, for point and shooters this camera is fine, check the new Oppo with fake bokeh, but some people like fake stuff.
I don't understand why this fever to build cameras of high mpx, I think resolutions between 20mpx to 25mpx is more than enough for everybody and the result will be only advantages from noise reduction to the file size where today the S23 DNGs are very big around 170mpx, my 30mpx mirrorless camera has raw files around 24 mpx with a quality of picture miles a way better compared to any phone..