I've found that the D/A on this phone sounds really good - easily comparable to my studio D/A (Allen & Heath) in AB testing. My last phone, a Oneplus 5T, was noticeably harsher. So I decided to do some analysis. I generated white noise at 24bit/96khz, it looks like this in Ableton Live (attachment 1). Note that this sample rate represents 48khz of sound waves.
When running it out and back through my Allen & Heath studio AD/DA there is some drop off from 20khz and upwards, but the low pass filter is nice and steep right before Nyquist (2).
When playing it back from the Sony Xperia 5 II, the signal stays stable all the way up to the low pass, which is a bit softer than on the A&H (3). For a mobile phone, I'd say that's impressive.
While we're at it, let's see what the DSEE Ultimate algorithm does. Here's the noise compressed to a 128kbit MP3, which dutifully cuts off around 15khz (4). With DSEE turned on, there appears to be no difference (5). Since the algorithm is supposedly trained on musical material, I performed the same test on low bitrate Spotify material, but there was no measurable difference: Low bitrate Spotify without DSEE (6). Note how good the frequency response on OGG is, compared to MP3. Spotify with DSEE - level difference is due to dynamic material (7).
Just as a side note, the DSEE Ultimate algorithm seems to low pass everything at 48khz sample rate, even uncompressed 96khz signals (8).
And in what comes as a shock to no one, the frequency analyzer shows that Dolby Atmos applies different EQ curves in the different modes (Dynamic, Film, Music) and also raises the overall sound volume with roughly 1.2 LUFS for dramatic effect ? Atmos also limits the output to 48khz like DSEE. So in conclusion, the D/A is real and the algorithms are marketing gimmicks to my ears. Please comment if you've experienced otherwise, would love to hear what you think!
I have no clue what you said but I think you're right
I think the hardware has great quality, but in terms of software, I'm not a huge fan of Dolby Atmos, only on phone speaker Atmos is fine. For headphones I'd like to use ViperFX but I haven't found out how to install it yet.
(Anyone has an idea how to install it?)
Dolby doesnt have seperate settings for headphones/speakers/bt so I'll have to change it manually each time I switch audio outputs
Also, with D/A, do you mean the DAC?
You're right, I've found myself using Atmos just to get some loudness from the internal speakers when listening to podcasts etc.
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Also, with D/A, do you mean the DAC?
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Yeah, maybe D/A is not the most common term :laugh:
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I've found that the D/A on this phone sounds really good - easily comparable to my studio D/A (Allen & Heath) in AB testing. My last phone, a Oneplus 5T, was noticeably harsher. So I decided to do some analysis. I generated white noise at 24bit/96khz, it looks like this in Ableton Live (attachment 1). Note that this sample rate represents 48khz of sound waves.
When running it out and back through my Allen & Heath studio AD/DA there is some drop off from 20khz and upwards, but the low pass filter is nice and steep right before Nyquist (2).
When playing it back from the Sony Xperia 5 II, the signal stays stable all the way up to the low pass, which is a bit softer than on the A&H (3). For a mobile phone, I'd say that's impressive.
While we're at it, let's see what the DSEE Ultimate algorithm does. Here's the noise compressed to a 128kbit MP3, which dutifully cuts off around 15khz (4). With DSEE turned on, there appears to be no difference (5). Since the algorithm is supposedly trained on musical material, I performed the same test on low bitrate Spotify material, but there was no measurable difference: Low bitrate Spotify without DSEE (6). Note how good the frequency response on OGG is, compared to MP3. Spotify with DSEE - level difference is due to dynamic material (7).
Just as a side note, the DSEE Ultimate algorithm seems to low pass everything at 48khz sample rate, even uncompressed 96khz signals (8).
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The DAC/Amp is definitely great on this device so far. I have Dolby Atmos and DSEE Ultimate on and it sounds great with FLACS and extreme quality spotify. It isn't the most powerful Amp though, using my Sennheiser HD 6XX's, its not super loud, even at max volume. The fidelity is fantastic across the whole volume range however. I think it will perform fantastically with a high quality set of IEM's.
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The DAC/Amp is definitely great on this device so far. I have Dolby Atmos and DSEE Ultimate on and it sounds great with FLACS and extreme quality spotify. It isn't the most powerful Amp though, using my Sennheiser HD 6XX's, its not super loud, even at max volume. The fidelity is fantastic across the whole volume range however. I think it will perform fantastically with a high quality set of IEM's.
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Do you set Atmos to Dynamic or music?
woodcarver said:
I've found that the D/A on this phone sounds really good - easily comparable to my studio D/A (Allen & Heath) in AB testing. My last phone, a Oneplus 5T, was noticeably harsher. So I decided to do some analysis. I generated white noise at 24bit/96khz, it looks like this in Ableton Live (attachment 1). Note that this sample rate represents 48khz of sound waves.
When running it out and back through my Allen & Heath studio AD/DA there is some drop off from 20khz and upwards, but the low pass filter is nice and steep right before Nyquist (2).
When playing it back from the Sony Xperia 5 II, the signal stays stable all the way up to the low pass, which is a bit softer than on the A&H (3). For a mobile phone, I'd say that's impressive.
While we're at it, let's see what the DSEE Ultimate algorithm does. Here's the noise compressed to a 128kbit MP3, which dutifully cuts off around 15khz (4). With DSEE turned on, there appears to be no difference (5). Since the algorithm is supposedly trained on musical material, I performed the same test on low bitrate Spotify material, but there was no measurable difference: Low bitrate Spotify without DSEE (6). Note how good the frequency response on OGG is, compared to MP3. Spotify with DSEE - level difference is due to dynamic material (7).
Just as a side note, the DSEE Ultimate algorithm seems to low pass everything at 48khz sample rate, even uncompressed 96khz signals (8).
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I don't see any attachments but your analysis of DSEE Ultimate is very good.
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And in what comes as a shock to no one, the frequency analyzer shows that Dolby Atmos applies different EQ curves in the different modes (Dynamic, Film, Music) and also raises the overall sound volume with roughly 1.2 LUFS for dramatic effect ? Atmos also limits the output to 48khz like DSEE. So in conclusion, the D/A is real and the algorithms are marketing gimmicks to my ears. Please comment if you've experienced otherwise, would love to hear what you think!
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It's a shame that this Dolby was specially tuned and yet involves such simple tweaks...terrible marketing.
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Heya all,
my Mozart arrived earlier today (coming from Android, I'm loving how clean it is ), and whilst playing around, I couldn't help but notice on the sound enhancement menu thingy, that you can select either Dolby or SRS. I have no idea about either, so can anyone shed any light on which is better please
Alex
Give it a shot and try it out.
I prefer SRS. Enhances bass and gives the drumset a nice, clean sound.
But that's a matter of taste..
And please. Its an HTC Mozart. Take some Sennheisers or equal equpiment
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Give it a shot and try it out.
I prefer SRS. Enhances bass and gives the drumset a nice, clean sound.
But that's a matter of taste..
And please. Its an HTC Mozart. Take some Sennheisers or equal equpiment [/
I will get around to getting some proper headphones for it - all my decent ones have broken - and all within the same month :/
I was really disappointed at how bad the HTC ones that came with it were though... You know, with the fancy design and 'HTC Innovation' written down the side of them, you'd think they'd be at least half decent :/
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I find Dolby Mobile is better for the speaker on the phone while SRS Enhancement is better when plugged in to speakers. I would assume it would be better for headphones as well.
heisven said:
Give it a shot and try it out.
I prefer SRS. Enhances bass and gives the drumset a nice, clean sound.
But that's a matter of taste..
And please. Its an HTC Mozart. Take some Sennheisers or equal equpiment
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I think so,when i use headphone,SRS is better
In my HTC Mozart
I use Dolby for external speaker, and SRS for headphones...
Everyone I show the device is impressed with the sound (in Dolby by the speaker) , the sharp and nice saturated screen and the camera....
My only point goes for the video recording, sometimes it takes to much time to focus.. as for the photos they are OK, the xenon flash is very good in low light...
This phone despite having a 3.7 screen should have a kick-stand...so you could see the clips and movies while enjoying the great sound..
I used SRS with my Bose QC3 headphones on the plane the other day, not too bad but not fantastic either
i have a HTC Desire HD pair with Ultimate Ears 600 Noise-Isolating Earphone...
bass and treble perfect with srs...
but
dolby better in provide surround sound effect...
wow i had no idea what great feature dolby mobile is!!!
comming from the homepage of dolby mobile:
http://www.dolby.com/professional/technology/mobile/dolby-mobile.html
A handset equipped with Dolby Mobile can include a combination of the following features:
Dolby Digital Plus decoder—transforms the capabilities of the device, enabling HD 5.1-channel sound for headphone playback or HDMI™ play-out, and compatible with E-AC-3 and AC-3 content
Dolby Pulse decoder—HE AAC compatible and works perfectly with Dolby Mobile, enabling an optimal experience for over-the-air content
Mobile Surround—provides a stunning 5.1 surround sound experience over any pair of stereo headphones
Sound Space Expander—delivers a wide, spacious soundstage for a rich listening experience from speakers
Sound Space for Headphones—adds spaciousness and impact to headphone listening from stereo content
Natural Bass—provides clean, powerful bass extension
High-Frequency Enhancer—adds back high-frequency audio that may be missing from compressed content
Mono-to-Stereo Creator—adds depth to the playback of mono content that users download or create
Sound Level Controller—maintains a consistent audio playback level so users can set and forget the volume control
Graphic EQ—equalizes audio with two to six user-adjustable bands
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i gotta get some dolby headphones... i dont think the included or my senheiser will enable ac3, but ill test out the surround untill then, gonna convert some dolby trailers, will hook yall up with them..
here is a video presentation:
http://www.dolby.com/professional/technology/mobile/mobile-demo.html
first let me get some info on SRS.....
here you go if you interrested, seems like some nice sound enhance company
http://www.srslabs.com/content.aspx?id=393
but nothing compared to dolby
Sorry, but the chick on the SRS page wins it over for me
Another vote for SRS. When SRS is used on my Creative headphones the sound is very crisp and real, Dolby is a bit too dull and vocals are drowned out.
When using the phone speaker I can't really tell much of a difference.
First and foremost, a note to the mods:
I'm asking a question about V30 accessories, so I wasn't sure where to post this thread. If I chose, wrong, then please forgive me and move it. I'm really sorry!
Now for the question:
I want a good sounding in-ear earbud for my V30. I have a decent set of cans, but they aren't very portable and I want a a good set of earbuds too. I mostly listen to rock and metal and prefer flat sounding headphones (I think... I don't like the bass overpowering the vocals and I don't use any equalizers in my music player app... so, flat?).
I can't afford much, but $150 is the most I'm willing to spend and have narrowed my choices down to two specific headphones based on reviews here on XDA and Amazon.
The problem is, the headphones have a lot of drastically different specs and now I'm super confused on what to buy.
Choice 1 is the SoundMagic E80C
https://soundmagicheadphones.com/products/soundmagic-e80c-in-ear-isolating-earphones-with-mic
(scroll to specifications)
It has- compared to Choice 2- a lower frequency range (15Hz - 22KHz), but a higher sensitivity (102dB) and impedance (64 Ohms).
In fact, I bought them already and like them, but wondering if Choice 2 would be better.
Buyer's remorse combined with confusion of headphone spec meanings. UGH!
Choice 2 is the 1More Quad Driver Headphones
https://usa.1more.com/products/1more-quad-driver-in-ear-headphones
(Again, scroll to Specs)
It has- compared to Choice 1- a higher frequency range (20 - 40,000Hz), but a lower sensitivity (99dB) and impedance (32 Ohms). On top of that, it has 4 drivers and is THX certified (if that means anything with the V30).
Now, here's the reason for my confusion. Everyone here on XDA and many other sites are praising the V30's Quad-Dac, but say that it won't kick in under 50 Ohms. This is making me believe that higher impedance is better, so I need Choice 1 (why I bought it). However, audiophile websites are saying something like (based on my understanding) higher frequency is better and so is sensitivity. This is making me wonder if Choice 2 is actually better for me because the sensitivity is only slightly lower than Choice 1, but the frequency is almost double of Choice 1. They say too that bigger drivers aren't necessarily better, so... Choice 1 again?
So, after hours of research, buyer's remorse (wondering if I made the correct purchase), and my brain frying from confusion, I ask my fellow V30 owners:
Can you help me make a buying decision? Did I make a good decision and should keep the SoundMagic E80C, or should I return them and pay more for the 1More Quad-Drivers?
This decision needs to be based on the music I listen to and I don't want bassy headphones intended for hip-hop, rap, etc.
Thank you, Community and I look forward to seeing what you all have to say.
SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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I'm not interested in rooting and last I checked, the ATT variant isnt rootable. (See edit) I rooted the V20 and found it to have been a complete waste of my time. It just didnt add anything useful for me.
I also had installed Viper4Android on the V20 and the Play Store kept disabling it because it thought it was malware or something. It was SUPER annoying to deal with on a daily basis and don't want to deal with it on my V30. Plus, I don't need it anyways since I said I don't use equalizer settings and prefer the settings to be flat. It sounds better that way. It sounds like how the bands intended their music to sound. (At least I feel that way)ñ
Edit: I think I'm wrong. I guess all variants except the T-Mobile one have root now? Still not interested though.
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SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
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Thanks you two!
I think I'll keep the Soundmagic E80C's. After thinking about things a bit more (and reading opinions), the E80C's seem to be a better deal. They sound great, but cost less than the 1Mores do. So more bang for the buck I guess.
e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
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e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
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As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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yes, professional in-ear monitors have a different purpose and i never used a pair. i think that nobody compose music only using headphones and everyone has a pair of monitors which sound very different compared to normal speakers which are made to soung 'good'. that's why i felt a big difference between a dac for audition and a audio interface designed for audio composition (burson conductor and audient id4). i liked the audient more becuse it sounds more natural. i always disable all effects from audio players and drivers.
i have tried only these shures (856) and i liked them (yes, they are a bit warm), nut i like more 1morequad and above all the speakers i have (m3-8)
i have done some tests and i cannot hear much above 17khz and even at this frequency it needs to be really amped to hear it clarly (or the source was bad)
brightness of a headphone doesn't mean that they extend to 20khz or above, it means that the hights are way louder than the rest of the range (i think that you already knew this). i think that what you are trying to say is that every headphone has its own signature and not all humans hear the same, but because of this debate never ends.
one fact is clear, after using the soundmagic for a week i had to sell them because they were literally hurting my ears and had to boy something else.
i do not know if you tried the 1more quad but the sound they produce are more clear and bit warmer than soundmagic (maybe because the highs are not that much amplified) and i can use them for a whole day without having any problems. (yes, same volume for both on modded nexus 5x and then high impedance mode for lg v30)
i also prefer to hear the full range but i do not prefer to sacrifice the lows for more highs.
other courious thought i have is that your audio equipment is way above soundmagic e80 yet you say they sound very good...
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
P.K.Shivaram said:
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
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It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM (high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
ChazzMatt said:
It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM ((high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
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Thanks dude for the reply.:good:
TinAudio T2. 45$. mind blowing
Personally I think the 1more Triple Drivers are a better value (and sound just as good) as the 1more quads.
Hey everybody! I got my "SoundMAGIC E80S RED Reference Series Flagship Noise Isolating In-Ear Headphones with Microphone and Remote for all Smartphones + Extra eartips" yesterday.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0U9YMM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So far I'm VERY pleased with them in comparison to the GGMM C800's I was using before:
https://smile.amazon.com/GGMM-Isola...qid=1536606946&sr=1-1&keywords=GGMM+C800&th=1
I actually felt like I NEEDED to get the new headphones because I was having a weird thing with the GGMM's where I couldn't get the volume loud enough even with the volume all the way up and ViPER4Andoid tweaks. It wasn't always that way but has become a recent issue.
Now with these SoundMAGIC E80S ones the sound is SUPER loud. I don't have the Hi-Fi Quad DAC volume set above like 33 and that's already quite loud. Actually this morning I had to tweak the Hi-Fi Quad DAC and ViPER4Android settings because the highs were so clear that it was actually painful. I was using the Magisk module for ViPER4Android 2.5.0.5 but I removed that and put the unofficial ViPER4Android 2.6.0.5 from "Team_DeWitt" in /system/priv-app instead:
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.pittvandewitt.viperfx
So far it's working well except that it sometimes crashes and I have to restart it. The 2.5.0.5 Magisk version had problems where it would frequently go to "Processing: No" and I had to reboot to get it working again. This unofficial 2.6.0.5 version seems to have fixed that, which is awesome! Also on the 2.5.0.5 I was having a problem with some Convolver impulse response files (such as SRS_1-1.irs) where the volume would constantly dip for fractions of a second. It drove me nuts and I THINK so far that this 2.6.0.5 has fixed that too!
So anyway these SoundMAGIC E80S headphones are pretty freaking amazing. I needed to tweak the DAC and V4A but right now my ears are in heaven!
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
After I bought the Mate 20 Pro I will never buy a Huawei phone again until they fix the crappy headphone audio quality. Why my Anker Soundcore Spirit sound on PC 10x better than on the Mate 20 Pro? And I am not talking about wired headphones. Forget it completely. You can't listen music on this device with wired headphones without getting ear pain. At least with the included USB-C-Adapter.
kentajalli said:
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
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So in summary it's ****e.? Note 9 exynos dac is better?
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I don't think Neutron connects directly to the device DAC. You said in your own post that disabling Dolby Atmos makes a difference to the sound, and it seems unlikely that it's the DAC that's doing the Atmos processing. Might be wrong though.
Quickstart Guide:
1. Go to second page of the thread to download the V4A convolution wav file. Get the one named "pocoxb7maxedv2.zip" (newer).
2. Copy the wav named "norm1xb7maxedv2.wav" in the name to Android/Data/com.pittvandewitt.viperfx/files/Kernel
3. Open Viper4Android, enable Master Limiter and Convolver. Set the convolver to the wav that was copied.
EDIT 5 (June 2023)
Added new preset pocoxb7maxedv2.
Hey all, first post here. If I broke any rules please let me know.
Backstory (Skip Ahead):
So I've been using my Xiaomi phone for a while and it's really worth it for the price in my opinion. An issue I had was the 'tinny' speakers.
To remedy this, we need an anechoic measurement in order to actually "fix" the sound, not one measured indoors. We also need to get off-axis measurements as well. (Check the book from Floyd Toole on why).
An actual anechoic room is too 'expensive' (a bit of an understatement). There is the Klippel NFS, but it's also 'expensive'. But fortunately we can do a quasi-anechoic measurement (time gating). (Update: I developed another method to achieve this).
Here's the Poco X3 NFC left speaker measured at various angles on the listening window:
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The ideal target for an anechoic measurement would be a completely flat graph on-axis, smooth (maybe tilting) directivity and smooth sound power.
Subjectively speaking, applying the EQ through Viper4Android, the internal speaker sounds a lot better. It's a night and day difference in my opinion.
Anyway a few cons to be aware of:
Cons:
- Reduced (max) volume -> This one is to prevent clipping/breaking your speaker.
You can remedy this by using Playback Gain Control in Viper which will reduce the dynamic range on max volume (I recommend turning the gain control off when playing music)
- Difference in the speakers itself -> I only have one Poco X3 NFC to measure. If the speakers have bad unit variance, this won't work that great.
What I give to you:
A convolutional wav (in the zip) to use in Viper4Android / JamesDSP. Big thing to note is this requires root to use.
If you have questions, ask me anything. Thanks.
Can't really judge the results but I reckon yours is outstanding work. Thank you, sir.
Amazing effort, I have to try this.
Advantage is more bass & less treble for more realistic sound I guess.
Can you please make Parametric EQ preset for Neutron Music player as I prefer to use it without root? Thanks so much.
SkaboXD said:
Amazing effort, I have to try this.
Advantage is more bass & less treble for more realistic sound I guess.
Can you please make Parametric EQ preset for Neutron Music player as I prefer to use it without root? Thanks so much.
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Parametric EQ settings added, check out the post
zettozoid said:
Parametric EQ settings added, check out the post
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Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
If you saved some custom EQ in Neutron, backup it's settings as it will be overwrited by this EQ XML.
Thanks a lot!
Is that preset also applicable to Poweramp?
wimstefan said:
Thanks a lot!
Is that preset also applicable to Poweramp?
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Nope. Only Neutron. I can try to make it for Poweramp.
SkaboXD said:
Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
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The value is on my laptop, but looking at the graph it should be -7dB.
Oh yeah, for the treble part is where using a umik would come in handy since most cheap omni mics get inaccurate above 10khz. Sadly I don't have it so you can just add a 11khz high shelf and adjust by ear.
SkaboXD said:
Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
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Oh lol we have the same headphones.
I was using oratory's preset till I got ahold of a custom preset via an app called DGSonicFocus.
I think my ears are a bit different since to make it sound neutral I have to reduce 1khz and 4500hz by around 4 dB from the harman curve.
I also have the 10khz above rising akin to the diffuse field curve.
With this in mind, listening to the preset for the speakers sound tonally correct to me sans the subbass. Perhaps it's due to unit variance.
zettozoid said:
Oh lol we have the same headphones.
I was using oratory's preset till I got ahold of a custom preset via an app called DGSonicFocus.
I think my ears are a bit different since to make it sound neutral I have to reduce 1khz and 4500hz by around 4 dB from the harman curve.
I also have the 10khz above rising akin to the diffuse field curve.
With this in mind, listening to the preset for the speakers sound tonally correct to me sans the subbass. Perhaps it's due to unit variance.
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I don't know my peak resonance of the ear, but I know that Harman EQ profile suits me. I might got the lottery with EQ & unit matching my ears correctly.
It sounds pretty much correct to me, I agree.
Unit variance & quality control of Xiaomi is not top notch for sure lol. But it still made an great improvement in sound quality.
SkaboXD said:
Nope. Only Neutron. I can try to make it for Poweramp.
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Oh wow that would be great! But please only if it's not too much of an hassle.
wimstefan said:
Oh wow that would be great! But please only if it's not too much of an hassle.
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I made Poweramp EQ preset, but you can't go below 0.1 Q value, below 20Hz & above 20000Hz with Poweramp EQ. So the EQ preset is very slightly different compared to EQ preset posted here by OP & me for Neutron Music Player as Neutron has much more powerful EQ. It's still great though.
Take in mind that Poweramp doesn't support exporting EQ presets only, but every setting choice. So backup/remember every setting you did before importing this EQ preset. Extract zip file before importing.
Thank you so much!
For the efforts to create the preset and also the precious & detailed information on how to handle it in Poweramp
zettozoid said:
So the ideal target for an anechoic measurement would be a flat graph. While this is, practically speaking impossible to achieve, we can (or at least I tried to) get closer to it by using equalization. Note that doing a measurement in a reflective room and equalizing from it is bad practice and will more than likely ruin the sound.
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For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
xlen said:
For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
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I'm not sure that by flat graph not "sounding good" we're talking about the same thing here though.
I believe in his book, Toole talks about most people leaning towards the (in anechoic chamber) "flat" measuring speaker which when put in a room gives a downward tilt with a bass boost.
If we're talking about my preset though, of course you can still tune it. I don't have a properly calibrated measurement mic (like the Umik) so the actual response above 1khz probably deviates somewhat.
xlen said:
For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
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I hated stock tuning. With this EQ, I hate it even more lol.
I got a UMIK-1. I updated the EQ preset. Please check the main post
zettozoid said:
I got a UMIK-1. I updated the EQ preset. Please check the main post
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OMG YES!
Gonna try it now!
This is very big, every smartphone manufacturer should tune sound like you do.
I will edit for my final impressions
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It sounds better than the last EQ. It has better directivity and that ''less airness'' compared to last EQ comes from the fact that frequency response is more neutral with this new EQ, especially in treble & bass. It's still not perfect, but it's better. There are still some peaks between 10-15Khz, but that's nothing compared to other phones.
Awesome!
SkaboXD said:
OMG YES!
Gonna try it now!
This is very big, every smartphone manufacturer should tune sound like you do.
I will edit for my final impressions
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It sounds better than the last EQ. It has better directivity and that ''less airness'' compared to last EQ comes from the fact that frequency response is more neutral with this new EQ, especially in treble & bass. It's still not perfect, but it's better. There are still some peaks between 10-15Khz, but that's nothing compared to other phones.
Awesome!
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Good to know, did you use the wav or the Parametric EQ btw?
Also, fyi I didn't touch the bass since I ran out of the 6dB headroom. Perhaps the improvement you mentioned was placebo? As for the treble peaking I think that's either because of the smoothing of the measurement or non-linearities.
As it is, there's not much else to do to improve this further. I could either try to get the anechoic measurement down to around 200Hz but the result will probably have too low of a volume
zettozoid said:
Good to know, did you use the wav or the Parametric EQ btw?
Also, fyi I didn't touch the bass since I ran out of the 6dB headroom. Perhaps the improvement you mentioned was placebo? As for the treble peaking I think that's either because of the smoothing of the measurement or non-linearities.
As it is, there's not much else to do to improve this further. I could either try to get the anechoic measurement down to around 200Hz but the result will probably have too low of a volume
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Impulse response.
Well, higher frequencies can affect bass too, to mask it more if they are louder than neutral. It's a micro difference in real life but really noticeable imo when playing the pink noise & some nicely bass recorded songs. Maybe I could phrase it better myself there & not lead people that bass is bigger.
I believe it's due to unit variation mostly.
I would be open for some more volume reduction lol, I use my device at 80% volume + some noticeable volume compression happens above that volume.
But I honestly find no need. It's already good as it is. Better than most phone speakers up to 500 dollars price range for sure.
Which says how much frequency response is important for sound quality.
Hi. I have a question regarding the sound/stereo/atmos quality on the S23 Ultra. I have noticed that when turning the phone sideways the sound is much louder from the bottom side of the screen. I used the codes to test the sound and bottom and top speakers work, but top is a lot softer then the bottom. I do understand that the opening for the speaker on the top is a lot smaller. Almost the same as S22U. On my S22U I got a lot better atmos experience than on the S23U. A lot more left and right audio seperation/stereo and atmos effect. I have also noticed that when holding the phone normal the sound is stronger from the bottom. If I close the speaker grill I can still barely hear the top speaker. I have enabled and disabled atmos and tried every setting, but there is almost zero difference....I basically hear only "mono" if that makes any sense. Anyone else have something similar or is there a setting/config I'm missing or that I can try?
Samsung has given the audio department a massive upgrade for the S23 compared with S22 or the S21. Compared with S21U, the 23U is a sea of change. I'm unsure how you can achieve atmos on such tiny speakers mostly firing forward! Yes, the top speaker is quieter than the bottom one but isn't that the case generally with most dual speakers on the latest devices?
On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting
termdj said:
On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting
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Now that you have put it that way, I need to test this out. But I'm not sure that I would notice the atmos effect much!
It's not so much the atmos effect, it's more that the sound comes mainly from the bottom speaker when playing music etc. Playing the 2 phones side by side, I can hear the difference from a mile... The s23u does sound a bit louder than the s22u, but the stereo effect is better on the s22u. Definitely better separation on s22u
I don't get the atmos . I was under impression atmos is a registered processing coding that can take what ever sound channel input and simulate more channel.
In example : give a atmos no-channel-defined audio source, and the receiver will output 6ch (5.1), so all your PHYSICAL speaker can play different sound to have the surround effect.
Atmos can simulate up to 128 channels.
so no matter how many speaker, and what height, it can simulate the right sound to the right speaker.
Not so sure if it's been developed to simulate the opposite ; surround over 2 speakers (on same height and close distance) based on a multi-channel atmos source...
You can achieve something very similar with stereo X (mixing few frequencies of both channel so the sound seems to come from a bigger room)
Anyway, S23 U I like the speaker at the bottom , since I can ear the phone ringing while walking, this compensate for the weak haptic feedback.
I tried the Pixel 4a, and damn for a budget phone is very close to the S23U.
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On the S22U you would get a stereo/atmos effect when turning the phone sideways. Not huge, but definitely noticeable. On the s23u for me the sound comes through as mono, because the bottom speaker is so much louder, there is no separation between top and bottom. I know on the phone the atmos effect won't be as strong, but having equal level of sound between the 2 speakers would be nice and that is not what I'm getting
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I got stereo sounds blasting from both speakers simultaneously, obviously more on the bottom given the much space when its sideways. It's like sounds move like a little bubble in a level tube prioritizing whichever position (speaker) you place it over the other (speaker) and balances when horizontal. Its subtle but its there.
It doesn't sound mono on my end. I ramped all the frequencies to the max. Typically the same experience I got on my previous S22U but way better on S23U. Maybe you should try that option as well. Also, I use Poweramp equalizer if that helps.
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I got stereo sounds blasting from both speakers simultaneously, obviously more on the bottom given the much space when its sideways. It's like sounds move like a little bubble in a level tube prioritizing whichever position (speaker) you place it over the other (speaker) and balances when horizontal. Its subtle but its there.
It doesn't sound mono on my end. I ramped all the frequencies to the max. Typically the same experience I got on my previous S22U but way better on S23U. Maybe you should try that option as well. Also, I use Poweramp equalizer if that helps.
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I will try poweramp for music as I'm using stock samsung music currently and see if it makes a difference