I have Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra (SM-S918B/DS)
tom_shon said:
I have Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra (SM-S918B/DS)
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Same here Same model , only 2.4 & 5 ghz
if you want full speed tethering,you can use usb tethering.
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if you want full speed tethering,you can use usb tethering.
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This is not the problem, some S23U devices have 6 GHZ , others aren't " see attached pictures " I don't know if it is regional dependent or not
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This is not the problem, some S23U devices have 6 GHZ , others aren't " see attached pictures " I don't know if it is regional dependent or not
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Samsung advertises WiFi 6E on every model of the S23 in every market they sell into. I randomly loaded the specs page for several countries on the Samsung website and they all state WiFi 6E.
It's only WiFi 6E that has a 6Ghz band and if it doesn't have a 6Ghz band, then it's WiFi 6 and not WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 uses the 5Ghz band). So if you truly only have 5Ghz, send it back because the phone you have is not compliant with the published specifications.
In addition, in the second screen shot the interface is different. I doubt that this is a screen shot of a S23. Note the slider option on the left vs the list option on the right.
@tom_shon you say you have something similar. Could you post a screen shot?
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Samsung advertises WiFi 6E on every model of the S23 in every market they sell into. I randomly loaded the specs page for several countries on the Samsung website and they all state WiFi 6E.
It's only WiFi 6E that has a 6Ghz band and if it doesn't have a 6Ghz band, then it's WiFi 6 and not WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 uses the 5Ghz band). So if you truly only have 5Ghz, send it back because the phone you have is not compliant with the published specifications.
In addition, in the second screen shot the interface is different. I doubt that this is a screen shot of a S23. Note the slider option on the left vs the list option on the right.
@tom_shon you say you have something similar. Could you post a screen shot?
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The USA version right now is only showing 2.4Ghz/5Ghz option in the Hotspot settings. Returning it for another device will not change it as all the USA versions have the same option.
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The USA version right now is only showing 2.4Ghz/5Ghz option in the Hotspot settings. Returning it for another device will not change it as all the USA versions have the same option.
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Then sue them. They've sold you a non-compliant phone. See screen grab directly from the specification page for the US. It clearly states WiFi 6E.
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Samsung advertises WiFi 6E on every model of the S23 in every market they sell into. I randomly loaded the specs page for several countries on the Samsung website and they all state WiFi 6E.
It's only WiFi 6E that has a 6Ghz band and if it doesn't have a 6Ghz band, then it's WiFi 6 and not WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 uses the 5Ghz band). So if you truly only have 5Ghz, send it back because the phone you have is not compliant with the published specifications.
In addition, in the second screen shot the interface is different. I doubt that this is a screen shot of a S23. Note the slider option on the left vs the list option on the right.
@tom_shon you say you have something similar. Could you post a screen shot?
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When I changed my csc to eux It was enabled by itself with the same interface with the slider as the screenshot and then I could enable 6GHZ , from my search it is only avalible in European software unfortunately
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Then sue them. They've sold you a non-compliant phone. See screen grab directly from the specification page for the US. It clearly states WiFi 6E.
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Just because it states on the specs that it can do it doesn't mean it's been approved or even certified by the government or the carriers since Hotspot is a feature that carriers provide on your phone plan.
For those with Galaxy Watch 4's or with the new Galaxy Watch 5 or 5 Pro, some regions have access to blood pressure and others do not. and the temperature reading sensor is still not even working for any regions right now and it's been more than 6 months already.
Samsung did not sell me a non-compliant phone. It will probably be available in a future software update once it has been approved.
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Just because it states on the specs that it can do it doesn't mean it's been approved or even certified by the government or the carriers since Hotspot is a feature that carriers provide on your phone plan.
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Interesting - so the US carriers make customers pay more to enable it? That's outrageous. It works in Europe by default regardless of carrier and for no extra money. After all, it's just using data the customer is paying for already.
WiFi 6E spectrum is already US approved: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/28/22857852/6ghz-wifi-win-fcc-wi-fi-6e-7-att-spectrum
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Samsung did not sell me a non-compliant phone. It will probably be available in a future software update once it has been approved.
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Well, if it doesn't do WiFi 6E / 6Ghz then it's not compliant, even if they enable it in a later software update. This is the stuff from which class action lawsuits are made.
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Interesting - so the US carriers make customers pay more to enable it? That's outrageous. It works in Europe by default regardless of carrier and for no extra money. After all, it's just using data the customer is paying for already.
Well, if it doesn't do WiFi 6E / 6Ghz then it's not compliant, even if they enable it in a later software update. This is the stuff from which class action lawsuits are made.
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some carriers charge for hotspot, some don't.
look at my watch example. just because it's listed on specs doesn't mean it has been approved, so while they can list it on their spec sheet (they are not lying that it can be done) it still needs approval so that it can be available in your region.
In Europe a lawsuit for this would be easier to accomplish. In the USA, you would have to sue government agencies or even the carriers themselves, which is most likely a losing battle.
Blood Pressure check up on Galaxy Watches are not available in the USA because the FDA needs to approve it. Can you sue Samsung because this feature is not on your watch? Yes you can, and it will be thrown out because it's being held by the FDA not Samsung. Can you sue the FDA of course, it will be in the court for how many years and the FDA will state that it's not up to par with current medical blood pressure devices.
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Well, if it doesn't do WiFi 6E / 6Ghz then it's not compliant, even if they enable it in a later software update. This is the stuff from which class action lawsuits are made.
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Samsung doesn't advertise 6GHz hotspot and WiFi 6E does work otherwise. That's the death of your class action.
Damn, I changed csc to EUX now I have 6Ghz switch but looks like phone still making 2.5Ghz chanel even then I select 6Ghz hotspot and phone display this 6Ghz selection in settings. Bandwidth tests still give me only 50Mbit real speeds not 450 like with my OnePlus 7 pro phone.
Does anyone know how bypass this restriction for EU version phone? I am ready get root for 5Ghz hotspot if needed. 2.4 its just terrible for file transfer!
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Interesting - so the US carriers make customers pay more to enable it? That's outrageous. It works in Europe by default regardless of carrier and for no extra money. After all, it's just using data the customer is paying for already.
WiFi 6E spectrum is already US approved: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/28/22857852/6ghz-wifi-win-fcc-wi-fi-6e-7-att-spectrum
Well, if it doesn't do WiFi 6E / 6Ghz then it's not compliant, even if they enable it in a later software update. This is the stuff from which class action lawsuits are made.
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I doubt that that would have any leg to stand on in court given that the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 and Gen 2 both carry a WiFi 6E Tri-Band Wireless NIC.
Devices have to be certified not only for connecting to a radiation band (2.4, 5, 6, 60), but also certified for emitting radiation on that band. the US has not allowed portable devices to emit on 6GHz for things like WiFi Direct and Mobile Hotspot, so these things you would need to sue the FCC over, which is not happening since they are not permitting certification for it currently, unlike the EU.
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Why ASUS didn't include 3G into this tablet, nowdays thats like a must thing to do... with that would be perfect tablet!
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too. So That could be part of it. Also until they have a shared data plan, cause who wants to pay for 2 data plans, i don't see my self paying for 3g even if it had the radio to do it.
However, for business use i would like one with 3g in it. Since i wouldn't trust people to know how to tether much less have a phone that can tether. So in this case simpler is much better. So for business use i will need to look at a different product which makes me sad. and if the treasurer for our non-profit has her way it will be a ipad ... which makes me very very sad. So a 3G model would have been awesome as well.
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
Sprint might be getting it if you look at their CES invite the folds look just like that origami screen cover!
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
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I'm not the best source about this information, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. But I thought that most 3G were on similar frequencies, and therefore it would be easy to make a 3G antenna which could communicate on all of them. The reason why I ask, is that I had a T-Mobile Android phone and brought it to the UK a few months ago, and can use it on any network here (since it's unlocked), and only have to change the network operators (or something like that, I can't exactly recall) info so it connects to the right towers. And it works perfectly fine. If I can do that with a crappy old Android phone, why couldn't it be done with Transformer?
But on the whole, I agree with you. It's so much cheaper to buy a tethering plan for most phones than it would be to give it its own 3G service, that for most people just doing a wireless hotspot with their phone would make more sense. But it's still a legitimate question for some people
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
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I know that Archos uses a dongle that slides into the tablet that is powered by USB, so it's not impossible. But I don't know if it's naively implanted.
And if not, maybe some dev's can port the software from the archos devices to the prime to get a USB dongle to work.
I will personally use a wifi modem, that way it doesn't even use the battery of the tab, and I could share the connexion with whoever I want.
I just put my phone in hotspot mode when I need a connection and Wifi is not available. But in that last 2 years I have only had to do that 3 or 4 times. I don't see any need for 3/4g, and the associated extra costs, in a tablet.
Personally I would never pay extra for a 3g version and then have to pay a monthly fee on top of that. In Canada at least the monthly fee is not that cheap.
I wonder if there are stats on how many of each of the ipad models were sold? The original and ipad2 were both released with a 3g model at launch right? It would be interesting to see how big the 3g market is
Probably just to keep costs down. And I honestly don't view 3G as a must do thing. It'll be a while before people start to see data plans attached to devices as a given. Right now, if I need internet while I'm out and about with my tablet I just set up my phone as a hotspot. It's still a bit rare when I feel the need for internet when I'm not at home (most of the time I'll be reading or watching things already stored) but it came in handy while waiting in line for Black Friday.
as the prime is already available for some, could you please test if a 3G dongle works? my interest is not so much in internet connectivity but using mobile TV which only works via 3G here and not over a wifi connection due to legal requirements..
I heard somewhere that they don't because it's not a very popular market. They are aware most people have data plans on their phones and don't want to spend extra on a separate plan for a tablet. Plus most people will just tether from there phones if they need to connect out of wifi range.
3G would be nice in theory, but I wouldn't be willing to pay for another data subscription when I already have one for my phone.
3G does indeed run on different frequencies. especially in the US, it's a giant clusterfuck of various bands that carriers use as well as completely different technologies for it.
verizon and sprint both use CDMA and different freq
tmobile and at&t both use GSM (like most of europe) at run at different freq. (it's the reason an unlocked iphone will work on tmobile, but you won't get 3g on it.)
for asus to come out with a 3g (or 4g) enabled tablet in the states, it would mean working with some provider to support and sell it, which asus being such a small player would be tough to get any of the big providers to get on board.
one solution would be to install a quad or penta band gsm radio in it (like the galaxy nexus) and let people use it however they want, but then cost comes into play.
personally, i've never seen the draw to 3g enabled tablets, as most people who have one also have a smartphone that they can probably tether to the device.
if i really wanted to get 3g and not tether in some way, i'd probably rather get a hotspot for the same price (service wise) and not use up my tablets battery powering the radio and also be able to connect multiple devices to it.
maybe i shouldn't have replied to this thread but created a new one
what i asked is whether a 3G dongle would work (similar to what archos does), but i guess not
asus could support that and not care about a 3G tablet version, only put the drivers and apps into the firmware.
3G connectivity is cheap in austria, unlimited data plan (without throttle) with 10mbit/s for 15 euros/month (or even much cheaper with throttle), but as i said, i'd only need it for mobile TV.
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Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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The U.S. isn't like the rest of the world. With the exception of Asus, all the manufacturers offer both 3G and Wi-Fi versions of their tablets. Some of what's available in the U.S. are adaptations of those. And data plans in a lot of countries aren't as expensive and don't lock you in to two-year contracts making 3G much more popular outside the U.S.
Asus said in the spring they'd launch a 3G version of the TF1. In November, they sent them out to reviewers. It's still not released and may never be. Apparently, Asus isn't big on 3G.
http://www.tabletbite.com/3g-asus-transformer-spotted-wild-picture-4316/
Charles_A said:
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too.
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I have a HSPA+ 21 UK tablet that I use on AT&T. It's $20 a month with unlimited data and MMS because it's just another non-smartphone on my account. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on Wi-Fi sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off Wi-Fi sharing. If you forget the last thing you're phone's battery is shot. It's shot anyway becasue Wi-Fi sharing's a huge drain. Connecting a tablet after it's been offline's also a pain while you wait for everything to sync before you can start using it. With all the carriers (except Sprint) starting to throttle for excessive usage splitting data over two devices keeps each devices data usage down. I'm usually at 4-6GB a month on both my phone and tablet individually. It's great when you're traveling to be able just whip the tablet out quickly and start using it. I'm not selling anyone on the idea of 3G but it has its advantages.
And there's zero chance the Prime has a GSM radio in it. It wasn't shown in the tear down and wasn't in the sample sent to the FCC for clearance.
yea i had a xoom and phone and it was too much to pay for data so now im just goona hotspot it and not pay $40 for something i dont need.
Hi there!
I got on three phones the same problem - so I can say that´s a problem from technology itself!
When I´m on the way with my phone and have turned on "LTE", I got best performance in data connection (internet speed) but worse phone reception. Sometimes I can´t phone someone because I got no connection to network to phone (but best data speed!).
When I turn off "LTE" I get best values with my phone reception. Data also good (about 20Mbit).
Could anyone tell me what´s the problem with it? You pay Euros over Euros fot the LTE ant then you can´t phone anymore?
(Sorry for my english!).
That's because LTE and 4G is Data-only. It needs to switch back to 2G/3G to make a call. (it should auto switch when you answer a call).
I suspect your provider doesn't support LTE fast switching, or your SIMcard is simply too old to work properly. Have you checked it with a different SIM?
(Say what you want about T-Mobile's (lack of) network coverage, but at least they made 4G completely free in the Netherlands.)
Ok, i didn´t know that LTE/4G is data only - very interesting.
I got a brand new card, but i will contact the provider (T-Mobile) if they are informed about my problem?
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That's because LTE and 4G is Data-only. It needs to switch back to 2G/3G to make a call. (it should auto switch when you answer a call).
I suspect your provider doesn't support LTE fast switching, or your SIMcard is simply too old to work properly. Have you checked it with a different SIM?
(Say what you want about T-Mobile's (lack of) network coverage, but at least they made 4G completely free in the Netherlands.)
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I think that was correct until last year, with the advent of VoLTE networks. This is basically VoIP on your LTE connection with your mobile network being the VoIP provider and it all being transparent to you. How extensive the rollout is in any particular country or network is anyone's guess though
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Ok, i didn´t know that LTE/4G is data only - very interesting.
I got a brand new card, but i will contact the provider (T-Mobile) if they are informed about my problem?
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Which country? I know T-Mobile Netherlands does have fast switching enabled. But every section of T-Mobile is completely separate from Deutsche Telekom itself, so it varies per country.
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I think that was correct until last year, with the advent of VoLTE networks. This is basically VoIP on your LTE connection with your mobile network being the VoIP provider and it all being transparent to you. How extensive the rollout is in any particular country or network is anyone's guess though
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That hasn't been rolled out in Europe yet, sadly
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Which country? I know T-Mobile Netherlands does have fast switching enabled. But every section of T-Mobile is completely separate from Deutsche Telekom itself, so it varies per country.
That hasn't been rolled out in Europe yet, sadly
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Actually, I'm going to be working in the Netherlands soon & am going to need a PAYG or 1-month rolling contract SIM for mainly data. Any suggestions?
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Actually, I'm going to be working in the Netherlands soon & am going to need a PAYG or 1-month rolling contract SIM for mainly data. Any suggestions?
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Uhhhh I haven't had prepaid in years..
The most stable and widespread network is KPN. (government funded) Which is, consequentially, also the most expensive. 4G is not available for prepaid. They offer prepaid with additional packages for data per month. 16 euro for 1GB for 31 days, and € 1,02 per MB after the 1GB runs out.
T-Mobile offers prepaid with packages as well. € 14,95 for 1GB. As far as I know 4G speed isn't available for prepaid. The actual 4G net itself is available in most of the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, extending towards Enschede (guilte as charged) and Arnhem, and some cities in the north and south.
Vodafone offers a contract-free subscription (Hybride) that you can end at any point. Comes in standard and Red, with € 2,50 for 4G in standard. Red is 4G by default. 4G only availables in the big cities. They also offer prepaid with additional packages, 1GB for €10. 4G is an additional package for €5 per month.
If you don't want 4G, there are additional providers with options. For those you're better off heading for a shop and asking them, I don't know the particulars of those.
If you know you're going to be here at least a year, you can get a subscription for a year (either with a device or SIMonly). Much cheaper.
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Uhhhh I haven't had prepaid in years..
The most stable and widespread network is KPN. (government funded) Which is, consequentially, also the most expensive. 4G is not available for prepaid. They offer prepaid with additional packages for data per month. 16 euro for 1GB for 31 days, and € 1,02 per MB after the 1GB runs out.
T-Mobile offers prepaid with packages as well. € 14,95 for 1GB. As far as I know 4G speed isn't available for prepaid. The actual 4G net itself is available in most of the Randstad (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht, extending towards Enschede (guilte as charged) and Arnhem, and some cities in the north and south.
Vodafone offers a contract-free subscription (Hybride) that you can end at any point. Comes in standard and Red, with € 2,50 for 4G in standard. Red is 4G by default. 4G only availables in the big cities. They also offer prepaid with additional packages, 1GB for €10. 4G is an additional package for €5 per month.
If you don't want 4G, there are additional providers with options. For those you're better off heading for a shop and asking them, I don't know the particulars of those.
If you know you're going to be here at least a year, you can get a subscription for a year (either with a device or SIMonly). Much cheaper.
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Thanks! All info is useful at this point. I'm hopeful my contract will be for a long time, but it's contracting, so it may only be a few months.
If they made a dual-SIM Moto X or Sony Z3 Compact I'd switch to one of those and sell my current phone, but I'm just going to have to get a Moto G and stick a Dutch SIM in it (and use it as a hotspot for my main phone).
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Thanks! All info is useful at this point. I'm hopeful my contract will be for a long time, but it's contracting, so it may only be a few months.
If they made a dual-SIM Moto X or Sony Z3 Compact I'd switch to one of those and sell my current phone, but I'm just going to have to get a Moto G and stick a Dutch SIM in it (and use it as a hotspot for my main phone).
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If it's purely for data, a MiFi router is also an idea. Basically a router with a SIMslot. Probably cheaper than a phone (starts around 50 quid).
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If it's purely for data, a MiFi router is also an idea. Basically a router with a SIMslot. Probably cheaper than a phone (starts around 50 quid).
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Something to think about for sure, though a Dutch voice number may be useful.
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Something to think about for sure, though a Dutch voice number may be useful.
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Very true.
I was just thinking that a simple phone and a MiFi router would probably be cheaper than a smartphone of any kind. I could be wrong, and it might be a bit of a hassle to swap them around all the time.
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So I guess this is good news and bad news for T-Mobile users. The OnePlus 2 supports band 12. Awesome, right? Not quite. They did not get the T-Mobile VoLTE certification, so now those of us with T-Mobile face an issue. If you are in an area where band 12 is the strongest signal, you will likely not be able to receive/send calls or text because there is no VoLTE.
With that said - is there any way to "disable" a network band yourself in the software?
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So I guess this is good news and bad news for T-Mobile users. The OnePlus 2 supports band 12. Awesome, right? Not quite. They did not get the T-Mobile VoLTE certification, so now those of us with T-Mobile face an issue. If you are in an area where band 12 is the strongest signal, you will likely not be able to receive/send calls or text because there is no VoLTE.
With that said - is there any way to "disable" a network band yourself in the software?
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I may cancel my order since it hasn't shipped.
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The device will switch to H or H+ for voice calls even if LTE is the strongest. Its not really a setback, just an oddity.
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The device will switch to H or H+ for voice calls even if LTE is the strongest. Its not really a setback, just an oddity.
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No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
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I may cancel my order since it hasn't shipped.
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Unfortunately since mine shipped (should be here today, actually) I can't do that. I do already have a buyer lined up for it and my Moto X Pure should be here today as well. I REALLY wanted the OP2 though so I'm disappointed.
Is there still no news on whether the OPT will get T-Mobile VoLTE with a software update, apart from the vague "yeah maybes" that were thrown around by Oneplus a few months ago?
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No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
Unfortunately since mine shipped (should be here today, actually) I can't do that. I do already have a buyer lined up for it and my Moto X Pure should be here today as well. I REALLY wanted the OP2 though so I'm disappointed.
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I'm thinking about getting the Pure, but I may just hold off since there's problems with this device and TMO.
alhadee12 said:
I'm thinking about getting the Pure, but I may just hold off since there's problems with this device and TMO.
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Motorola is at least coming out with a VoLTE setting and bringing band 12 back. They've confirmed that multiple times on the forums. OnePlus hasn't addressed it at all since a Reddit AMA with a vague answer. The issue wouldn't be so bad if it was disabled - but since it's not disabled, there will be issues with T-Mobile.
Synyster06Gates said:
Motorola is at least coming out with a VoLTE setting and bringing band 12 back. They've confirmed that multiple times on the forums. OnePlus hasn't addressed it at all since a Reddit AMA with a vague answer. The issue wouldn't be so bad if it was disabled - but since it's not disabled, there will be issues with T-Mobile.
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Can't cancel mine now, it's processed for shipping.
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Synyster06Gates said:
No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
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Are you sure about this? I have been reading up on this issue (including your discussion on the OnePlus forum) and most indications are that the device will fall back unless there is no available connection other than band 12. As written here:
"A Motorola employee explained recently that band 12 was removed from the Moto E (2015) at T-Mobile’s request over concerns that it could show that it has an LTE signal, but if all that it has is band 12, it couldn’t actually complete a call since it has no VoLTE support. While T-Mobile hasn’t officially commented on this matter, T-Mo spoke with Android Police off the record and said that any device on its network with band 12 also needs to support VoLTE and E911. Without VoLTE, band 12 phones on T-Mo are unable to make a call if they don’t have any other T-Mo service to fall back to, and they won’t know to roam onto another carrier’s network. Removing band 12 altogether eliminates this issue."
Not trying to argue with you or prove you wrong just trying to get some clarity on this issue while I still have time to cancel my order if need be.
It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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Also, this:
Due to lack of VoLTE support you won't be able to place and receive calls including 911 calls in some buildings and some outdoor areas where 2G GSM and 3G HSPA+ (marketed by T-Mobile as "4G") signal is too weak or non-existent while LTE band 12 is available. You will still have data connection and you can receive and place non-emergency calls via Google Hangouts app (using Google Voice number). To place an emergency call you will have to either move outdoors where 2G or 3G signal is available or disable LTE to make your phone roam on another GSM network.
basscheck12 said:
Are you sure about this? I have been reading up on this issue (including your discussion on the OnePlus forum) and most indications are that the device will fall back unless there is no available connection other than band 12. As written here:
"A Motorola employee explained recently that band 12 was removed from the Moto E (2015) at T-Mobile’s request over concerns that it could show that it has an LTE signal, but if all that it has is band 12, it couldn’t actually complete a call since it has no VoLTE support. While T-Mobile hasn’t officially commented on this matter, T-Mo spoke with Android Police off the record and said that any device on its network with band 12 also needs to support VoLTE and E911. Without VoLTE, band 12 phones on T-Mo are unable to make a call if they don’t have any other T-Mo service to fall back to, and they won’t know to roam onto another carrier’s network. Removing band 12 altogether eliminates this issue."
Not trying to argue with you or prove you wrong just trying to get some clarity on this issue while I still have time to cancel my order if need be.
It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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That's pretty much how I am. Though my OP2 showed up and I ended up selling it. I went with the Moto X Pure to be sure. Disappointed, I REALLY wanted the OP2
basscheck12 said:
It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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I have a OnePlus 2, and T-Mobile, but I'm unsure of how to check if my area has band 12....I went to this site here...
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum
And it looks like I do? But I don't really understand the map. I am in Tampa, FL.
I just got the phone today, but so far it seems to be fully functional.
ArkAngel06 said:
I have a OnePlus 2, and T-Mobile, but I'm unsure of how to check if my area has band 12....I went to this site here...
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum
And it looks like I do? But I don't really understand the map. I am in Tampa, FL.
I just got the phone today, but so far it seems to be fully functional.
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Thanks for posting, you can install this app. I've read you can also enter *#*#3282#*#* into the dialer and then tap LTE Engineering, but I can't get that to work on my OPO.
Thanks again
Synyster06Gates said:
No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily..
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I can confirm that the Oneplus Two on T-mobile when on Band 12 LTE will drop to H or H+ when a call comes in if you have reception on those. I'm guessing it will also drop to Edge/GSM if a call comes in and that's the only reception you have for voice. I just did it at work right now where I'm getting Band 12 LTE. I called my cell from my work phone and the status bar dropped to H. I'm in the Los Angeles Metro area.
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I can confirm that the Oneplus Two on T-mobile when on Band 12 LTE will drop to H or H+ when a call comes in if you have reception on those. I'm guessing it will also drop to Edge/GSM if a call comes in and that's the only reception you have for voice. I just did it at work right now where I'm getting Band 12 LTE. I called my cell from my work phone and the status bar dropped to H. I'm in the Los Angeles Metro area.
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Also confirming. After downloading that LTE Discovery app, it said that I was on Band 12. I called myself from my home phone, the connection dropped from LTE to 3G and the call came in.
ArkAngel06 said:
Also confirming. After downloading that LTE Discovery app, it said that I was on Band 12. I called myself from my home phone, the connection dropped from LTE to 3G and the call came in.
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That's what I said was gonna happen. Reward please!! I take payments in cookies.
I can confirm as well. No problems with T-Mobile and OP2. Someone buy the man a cookie.
I have a USA Oneplus 2 Im using T-mobile and i haven't had a single issue with the phone and it works for me on LTE band
my Signal is great in California.
No problem here in Orlando, Florida.
So...this post from a similar thread in the OnePlus forums made a lot more sense to me than anything else I've read about this.
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Some are getting confused in this thread.
Band 12 VoLTE support is important IF you have only Band 12 LTE coverage. Then you won't get any calls or texts since Band 12 penetrates buildings and rural areas better than the other Tmo bands.
If you're in an area that your connected to Band 12 BUT there are other bands around then your phone will switch automatically. No worries, you'll get calls and texts.
So if the OP2 doesn't support Band 12 VoLTE and you're not near any other Tmo bands then you'll not be able to make emergency calls or recieve texts.
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TLDR: if there is another band available, you're fine, if not, you won't get texts or calls until there is.
No problem here with my oneplus 2 in chicago, IL. LTE works great
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Hello,
I have just gotten an S9+, EU version.
Model SM-G965F
Baseband G965FXXU2BGR8
Build Number R16NW.G965FXXU2BRGA
I live in France, the device came from Italy for 30% less than Samsung prices. It had a double blister and "EU Sim only" sticker" and all that. I checked with Samsung support and it is apparently a proper EU version.
My problem:
My land line is very bad so I got myself an unlimited 4G plan to compensate. I set up a mobile hostpot on the phone and share it with my desktop PC and tablet.
I used to have a Xiaomi Mi Mix that got stolen a couple of weeks ago, and it used to work fine as a 5GHz hostpot. My 3 (long story ) PC USB adapters saw it without a problem. With the S9+, only the 2.4 GHz hostpot is seen, the 5 GHz one is not.
I have a Netgear A6210, an Asus AC54 and a no-name Chinese Realtek-based of the 10€ on Amazon kind. The Netgear and AC54 do not see the 5GHz hotspot. The no-name Chinese does, but it is too unstable to be of any use besides detecting networks. My Chinese Teclast tablet see it as well, but I do not care about this device.
What I saw with the no-name adapter is that the S9+ is transmitting on channels 149 + 153. Europe being 36-140 with the US being 36-165 and China 149-165. The rather dumbed-down interface in the S9+ settings only allows one to change the channel for the 2.4 GHz channels, 1-11, nothing for 5 GHz. For some reason this EU model wants to transmit on US channels. Or, more likely, Chinese channels, since these do not overlap with the EU ones like the US ones do, and that is why my two Chinese devices see it.
For the Netgear, in regedit we have the "CountryRegion" parameter set at 4, I blindly tried some other numbers to no avail. In device manager I tried changing the "5GHz country" parameter on the Asus adapter to no avail, even though most of them do include the 149-153 range.
It's weird that an allegedly EU device will transmit 5 GHz on Chines/US channels, and that it is hardcoded. Samsung support says that's life what you gonna do, return it and see if we care.
Is there a way to change these 5 GHz channels or the country it thinks it is in? I'd rather try this, the alternatives being abusing Amazon's return policy to try and get a stable chinese adapter, or just plain returning the phone.
Thank you.
This is my hotspot setup screen. Does anyone have a channel choice drop down for 5 GHz?
Mine is always connected to a 5ghz band however must say that S9 plus dont like it. near the router the signal is always dropping if I go to 1st floor on the house need to go to the 2.4ghz or 1 bar all the time.
brunotuga said:
Mine is always connected to a 5ghz band however must say that S9 plus dont like it. near the router the signal is always dropping if I go to 1st floor on the house need to go to the 2.4ghz or 1 bar all the time.
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The problem is not connecting to a 5GHz signal, but emitting as a hotspot on non-chinese channels at 5GHz. It's like they are hardcoded into the phone.
I have a Galaxy S9 and it used to hotspot to my xbox 360 with no issues. Since updating my S9 I can no longer do this. I'm terrible with technology and need a simple answer. Will my S9 ever be able to connect to a xbox 360 again?
In some markets you may actuality see your phone with a 5Ge signal, but don't get excited and think you're getting 5G.
In select markets AT&T is changing the 4G LTE signal display to show 5Ge instead. It will be on compatible phones in markets where they have deployed 4x4 MIMO, 256 QAM and other advanced LTE network technologies.
It also makes them look like they are leading the pack with 5G rollout.
Meh... 5g doesn't matter to me... I have a new house, but the builder never had the cable companies come in and run cable or fiber... just copper line telco... so the only internet I can get at my house is copper line DSL through AT&T. Yeah, new home with 15 year old internet service and zero plans for anything better. Been trying to get fiber or cable in her for 5 years, but they aren't interested because they said it's not worth the cost for only 72 homes...
So at this point, my phone's 4G LTE performance is literally DOUBLE what my home internet speeds are... I can't even upgrade my TV's to 4k because I don't have the bandwidth to support it.
Maybe when 5G internet rolls out I will care, but it will probably be stupid expensive for home use...