I've done a bit of research but couldn't find a definite answer - let's say I root the phone and that trips the Knox eFuse. Does that mean that banking apps ang Google Pay won't work at all or is there a way to somehow hide Knox efuse status from them? I'm asking because I'm coming from a Oneplus 6 and all I had to do there after rooting was just using Magisk Hide.
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I've done a bit of research but couldn't find a definite answer - let's say I root the phone and that trips the Knox eFuse. Does that mean that banking apps ang Google Pay won't work at all or is there a way to somehow hide Knox efuse status from them? I'm asking because I'm coming from a Oneplus 6 and all I had to do there after rooting was just using Magisk Hide.
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all is working with the right modules in magisk !
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all is working with the right modules in magisk !
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So what does Knox efuse tripping break really?
Your warranty for starters
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Your warranty for starters
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Well, that I don't care about, to be honest. I just want the phone to retain it's functions, or at least most of them. I don't really care about Samsung's proprietary apps, so long as there are Google's replacements (like Google Pay instead of Samsung Pay)
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So what does Knox efuse tripping break really?
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Without magisk modules Samsung pay Galaxy Watch pairing Samsung services Secure Folder and so on. Open Bootloader and root brakes safety for banking. But with the right modules and magisk hide nearly all is working normal. The only is that you don't get OTA anymore so you must wait for development for new updated rons
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So what does Knox efuse tripping break really?
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What is a Knox Warranty Bit and how is it triggered?
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Without magisk modules Samsung pay Galaxy Watch pairing Samsung services Secure Folder and so on. Open Bootloader and root brakes safety for banking. But with the right modules and magisk hide nearly all is working normal. The only is that you don't get OTA anymore so you must wait for development for new updated rons
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So can magisk modules restore even the Galaxy Watch pairing?
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So can magisk modules restore even the Galaxy Watch pairing?
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yes you need an lsposed module too knoxpatch
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Without magisk modules Samsung pay Galaxy Watch pairing Samsung services Secure Folder and so on. Open Bootloader and root brakes safety for banking. But with the right modules and magisk hide nearly all is working normal. The only is that you don't get OTA anymore so you must wait for development for new updated rons
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correct me if I'm wrong, but not all rooted devices don't get OTAs?
I mean you can get the notification, but you won't be able to install it without loosing all your data.
At least it was my experience with Oneplus, HTC and LG devices.
From my reading you don't loose much, Ill root when samsung will stop supporting it.
At first I wanted to root for tasker and adaway, but learned that both are available un-rooted.
-Tasker is routine
- adaway is using vpn. It says that it drain the battery more, but I did not see any difference ON or OFF. Did a 9h SOT this weekend.
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Edited this original post here, it was 3:30am when I typed the original.. Anyway - anyone know if rooting can cause any type of instability on it's own? Without installing custom mods, roms, etc - does the act of rooting potentially cause things to not work as intended from the carrier? (my friend had an S3, rooted, and allshare stopped working - he was only rooted). I know there is some type of exploit involved in gaining root access, so that's why I ask. It's not a critique on rooting, I want to do it myself.
Disregard this second post
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Anyone? I know it says "at your own risk", but i am curious - are there inherent known issues that can crop up just from rooting alone, maybe from just the method of gaining root through the system?
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Anyone? I know it says "at your own risk", but i am curious - are there inherent known issues that can crop up just from rooting alone, maybe from just the method of gaining root through the system?
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There may be a few things that don't function properly as a result from rooting. But it's 99.99999% of the time not an actual issue with the files on the phone. Nothing should be modified except for root access.
One of the ones for sure would be ota updates. I read someone else was having issues with one of the Samsung apps for streaming video to devices. These issues and others like them were caused by the system status being changed to custom and can be solved quite easily by setting the system status back to official with wanam xposed. With root and the status set to official your phone should preform exactly as stock in every way except you'll have root.
But be aware if you accept the ota while rooted you may lose root. Would have to re root or use supersu pro to maintain root during the ota.
From my Note 3
Rooting will give you many benefits. Some of these include unauthorized apk installation, developer mode, custom firmware/modem improvements and fixes for some less functional stock features. This list could go on and on...
Most carriers frown upon customers rooting their devices for a few reasons; liability, damage control and profit above all.
When your device is rooted, custum, unofficial, and/or the Samsung KNOX binary counter has been tripped, Sprint/Samsung will consider your warranty void. Basically you will need to return the device to official stock and unrooted if you need to have your phone serviced.
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Rooting will give you many benefits. Some of these include unauthorized apk installation, developer mode, custom firmware/modem improvements and fixes for some less functional stock features. This list could go on and on...
Most carriers frown upon customers rooting their devices for a few reasons; liability, damage control and profit above all.
When your device is rooted, custum, unofficial, and/or the Samsung KNOX binary counter has been tripped, Sprint/Samsung will consider your warranty void. Basically you will need to return the device to official stock and unrooted if you need to have your phone serviced.
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Fully agree.
However just to say it again because I see the question everywhere.
YOU CAN NOT RESET KNOX TO 0X0 AFTER IT HAS BEEN TRIPPED TO 0X1.
There is a root method that doesn't flip the knox flag though if that is a concern.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2484095
YOU CAN NOT RESET KNOX TO 0X0 AFTER IT HAS BEEN TRIPPED TO 0X1.
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I've never had issues when just rooting a device granted I've only had the s3 and note 2 and now the note 3. But with the note 3 if you use the auto root method it will trip knox and that can't be undone and will void the warranty. The root de la vega method will give you just root access if it's what your looking for with out messing up knox.
Thanks guys. Yeah, like I said my buddy's allshare cast stopped when he rooted, so now he's reluctant to do that again. I know about not accepting OTAs. I think I am going to wait to see what other root methods may crop up, and also see if anyone finds away to reverse any accidental knox trips. Right now, i'm just enjoying the damn thing lol! Thanks all.
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Thanks guys. Yeah, like I said my buddy's allshare cast stopped when he rooted, so now he's reluctant to do that again. I know about not accepting OTAs. I think I am going to wait to see what other root methods may crop up, and also see if anyone finds away to reverse any accidental knox trips. Right now, i'm just enjoying the damn thing lol! Thanks all.
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If your knox is already flipped no need to wait for a new method. Just cm auto root. Use xposed to set system status official. And optionally get supersu pro and select the keep root ota option or don't update to any ota .the files will be in the development section to flash after its released. Like this and you should be 100% functional and stock/rooted.
I'm currently rooted with the vega root .status official. And everything appears to work for me including allshare.
There is always a risk with changing anything. But in my opinion the benefits out way the risks. And all of this is easily undone by just flashing back to a stock system.
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It is hard to get rooting because they limit the resource.
kelvinzhou905 said:
It is hard to get rooting because they limit the resource.
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its not hard. all the resources you need are here!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2484095
Sorry for this stupid question but I cant find how to root my note 3 with Sprint without tripping knox or voiding the warranty. I've done so much searching but I only found one root method which is the Kingo app but I heard its not approved by XDA mods because it steals personal information from the phone. Please help
I have never tried the chainfire method of rooting so far. I've only tried kingo. I cannot report on other methods. I cannot verify on the accusations of stealing information either. I can vouch that kingo does not trip the Knox counter. That is all I have to report. Sorry if that is no help.
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I have never tried the chainfire method of rooting so far. I've only tried kingo. I cannot report on other methods. I cannot verify on the accusations of stealing information either. I can vouch that kingo does not trip the Knox counter. That is all I have to report. Sorry if that is no help.
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Thanks for your reply. Do you know if I install the custom recovery like twrp or clockwork does that trip the knox counter with the kingo root method?
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Thanks for your reply. Do you know if I install the custom recovery like twrp or clockwork does that trip the knox counter with the kingo root method?
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Custom recovery trips Knox. King usually doesn't but can.
What he said. Recovery is what sets off the Knox e-fuse.
Well that's crap. I'm on MI3 unrooted. Should I update and root or root and flash deodexed update? I've been unsure and hesitant to ask but the thread is here so, lol.
I'm on MJ4 and I'm out of luck period. At least for now.
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Sorry for this stupid question but I cant find how to root my note 3 with Sprint without tripping knox or voiding the warranty. I've done so much searching but I only found one root method which is the Kingo app but I heard its not approved by XDA mods because it steals personal information from the phone. Please help
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They don't know what the info is used for. So its kinda like be safer then sorry. Me personally i use it and everything is just fine. 1000's of other have used it as well. In today's world everything is out there for thieves to use against you.
Yes you dont want to just give it to them but rest for sure if you bank with a major bank you have no worries. I bought a ps4 off amazon. The next day i had a charge from some other state at walmart for $42.00! Called Wellsfargo and they put the money back in my account.
Just keep up with your credit scores and financial transactions as all Americans should be doing anyways.
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Custom recovery trips Knox. King usually doesn't but can.
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Ok so let me get this straight if I root my device and install a custom recovery like TWRP or clockwork it will trip knox?
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What he said. Recovery is what sets off the Knox e-fuse.
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You sure? Because I want to flash a custom rom but dont want to trip knox.
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They don't know what the info is used for. So its kinda like be safer then sorry. Me personally i use it and everything is just fine. 1000's of other have used it as well. In today's world everything is out there for thieves to use against you.
Yes you dont want to just give it to them but rest for sure if you bank with a major bank you have no worries. I bought a ps4 off amazon. The next day i had a charge from some other state at walmart for $42.00! Called Wellsfargo and they put the money back in my account.
Just keep up with your credit scores and financial transactions as all Americans should be doing anyways.
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Well said...I know I'm not the only person that used the software but at the same time I don't want to go through the whole hassle of disputing activities on my credit report or bank accounts. I will hold off a little longer for some other root method to come out. Do you know if the Root de la Vega is available for Sprints Note 3?
Like we said, kango root won't trip Knox. Adding custom recovery will. If you are determined to run a custom ROM, then you will have to install a custom recovery to flash it and that recovery will trip Knox.
I used the chain fire method on the MJ4 update and had no issues. Going to have to trip Knox though. But look around, no one is having problems with sprint with Knox tripped except for a few unlucky people and they go to a different store and problem is solved.
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Like we said, kango root won't trip Knox. Adding custom recovery will. If you are determined to run a custom ROM, then you will have to install a custom recovery to flash it and that recovery will trip Knox.
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Gotcha..Thank You just wanted to clarify before I install a custom rom.
I used Wanam and faked the status back to official. Looks like nothing ever happened...
this is it.. got my note 3.. and i want to uninstall those unnecessary apps.. from what ive search.. i need to root the phone.. my plan is root the phone using kingo and then install titanium backup.. and uninstall those unnecessary apps.. i can install any apps just not custom roms right, so i will not trip the knox?? thanks in advance
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this is it.. got my note 3.. and i want to uninstall those unnecessary apps.. from what ive search.. i need to root the phone.. my plan is root the phone using kingo and then install titanium backup.. and uninstall those unnecessary apps.. i can install any apps just not custom roms right, so i will not trip the knox?? thanks in advance
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Correct, but I would recommend that you deep-six the idea of uninstalling any system apps (honestly, it can cause some serious problems with your device). Best to freeze them using TiBu. Your phone has a ton of system space, and deleting apps can lead to undesired results, with no upside.
Any app that can be frozen from app manager should be done from there first (select disable). The rest, use the freeze option from TiBu (Sprint Zone, Connection Optimizer).
Do one or two at a time, then reboot. See if your phone locks up after some use. If no issues, freeze another clutch of apps. If you do run into trouble, thawing the app is your next move.
I hope this helps.
Good luck!
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Correct, but I would recommend that you deep-six the idea of uninstalling any system apps (honestly, it can cause some serious problems with your device). Best to freeze them using TiBu. Your phone has a ton of system space, and deleting apps can lead to undesired results, with no upside.
Any app that can be frozen from app manager should be done from there first (select disable). The rest, use the freeze option from TiBu (Sprint Zone, Connection Optimizer).
Do one or two at a time, then reboot. See if your phone locks up after some use. If no issues, freeze another clutch of apps. If you do run into trouble, thawing the app is your next move.
I hope this helps.
Good luck!
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oohh okies thanks for the advice.. will do that instead of uninstalling.. yeah.. disable should be free some of the ram usage thanks..
alikhan2004 said:
Sorry for this stupid question but I cant find how to root my note 3 with Sprint without tripping knox or voiding the warranty. I've done so much searching but I only found one root method which is the Kingo app but I heard its not approved by XDA mods because it steals personal information from the phone. Please help
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let me make it simple for you. just search "How to root note 3 without tripping knox" on utube. you will find a video newly added (in April) about it. it has full tutorial performed on camera.
hope it helps
rooting new 4.4.4 NH7 without tripping knox tmobile m919 model
Looking for stwp by step directions on how to pull this off.
You can still use towelroot, but you need to flash back the 4.4.2 NB4 stock kernel through odin. After rooted reflash the new 4.4.4 NH7 stock kernel. There you go, rooted NH7 knox 0x0.
Netflix no longer works for me as Google SafetyNet DRM detects root (SuperSU, busybox, and unlocked bootloaders). Currently, the only work around is Magisk hide, which means you need johnwu systemless root using MagiskSU and the Magisk framework flashed. There is a major snag for the G3 however, due to bump. Bump is what allows a custom bootloader to be accepted. MagiskSU and framework work by modifying the boot.img to mount a hidden partition. With stock ROMs above 5.1.1, you cannot just bump the modified boot image as it causes flashing red and blue lights and bootloader not to verify correctly.
I could switch to a different ROM like Cyanogenmod and use a bump script to get it to work (complicated and unwanted). Developer support is lacking at the moment, so I am not holding my breath. Not to mention, SafetyNet will keep evolving and leave this method behind eventually. The future is likely in a temp root solution just to apply system-less modules and ad-blocking as rooted users become more persecuted by major services.
Even so, I would love a method of using Magisk hide currently while staying on stock MM if possible.
Oh no! I had no idea Magisk wasn't working for stock roms.
I was just looking it up because I got the dreaded screen dying issue (paper fix is working for now) and was thinking of starting over with a new G3 and putting Magisk on it.
I guess I'll have to use a custom ROM if I do that? Are there any that can pass SafetyNet?
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Oh no! I had no idea Magisk wasn't working for stock roms.
I was just looking it up because I got the dreaded screen dying issue (paper fix is working for now) and was thinking of starting over with a new G3 and putting Magisk on it.
I guess I'll have to use a custom ROM if I do that? Are there any that can pass SafetyNet?
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CyanogenMod works with magisk I've heard.
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CyanogenMod works with magisk I've heard.
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Turns out Fulmics does too! That's what I'm using on my new phone.
I started to think about rooting my g960f, it is a week year old device and the ads in apps annoys me so much. I will be using root to disable bixby through root uninstaller, if you have any other suggestions please tell. also I will be using mother of adblock, if you have any other suggestions please tell. I still have some questions.
- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
I wont be installing custom rom as I already liked the stock rom but it needs some modification. I am sure that most of the people has the same questions in their minds so your answers would help many.
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- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
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As long as all you did was root the phone and did not change the OS to a custom one you should be able to get OTA updates. You should be able to install OTA updates normally, but you will loose the root install and have to do it again. Since OTA updates may patch any exploits a root install tool may use you might not be able to root the phone again (at least not until the root utility is updated to use a different method) after an update, so keep that in mind.
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- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
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Once you root you might very well trip Knox. If Knox is tripped Samsung Pay, Secure folders is what I can find Google Searching and searching the forum here as what wouldn't work Samsung app wise. S-Health would also stop working, but I've read about potential ways to make S-health work again. I am not sure if those ways still work or not.
Other apps (financial, etc) may not work if the phone is rooted..
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- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
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Sort of... Knox secure apps like S-health, Secure Folders, Samsung Pay will not work. Once you trip knox they will not work on the device ever again. This is because once knox is tripped it is tripped, it's a hardware e-fuse. You can not fix it nor reset it.
Other apps that just detected whether root is installed (or being used) should return to normal
thank you so much for the reply, lastly do you any suggestion for rooting? like the best way of doing it or use this guide and such.
Why root the device? You can use Adhell3 and block all the ads using knox itself
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thank you so much for the reply, lastly do you any suggestion for rooting? like the best way of doing it or use this guide and such.
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Personally I don't have a suggestion on a root method for your phone, but I do suggest you do some research on the subject. You can also look in the Galaxy S9 topic on XDA as that is the model you said you were using (G960F). In all honesty your gonna want to read up on what the process entails, what issues you might encounter and the risks involved... This is kind of a one way trip (metaphorically and essentially literally speaking) because if you trip knox (which you most likely will) you will void any warranty as well as permanently loose rather useful functionality on the phone (Samsung pay does come in handy IMHO). Not to mention root weakens the security of the phone and if your not careful you could (not saying you will, but could) run into a lot of problems.
Granted I am not saying you shouldn't root your phone but I am suggesting that in your case there is a more simpler method of doing what you want to do. Adhell3 was suggested and it's an app I use as well. Adhell3 will allow you to configure knox to do what you are seeking.. Knox can be configured to serve as a system wide ad blocking and it can be used as a way to disable apps on the phone (including bixby). There is more it can do, but I would suggest reading up on it (I can't give you all the answers, your gonna have to discover them also). Since your not trying to install an custom OS or changing cpu governors, cpu frequencies or anything Xposed related I would suggest looking into Adhell3 since that will do what you want without messing with Knox (or any potential issues with your phone from rooting). Also Adhell3 is not a permanent change to the phone, it can be fully removed, it doesn't weaken the security of the phone by allowing root access to the Android OS and file system on the phone and it will survive OTA updates.
Also if your looking to cut down on advertisements in applications I would suggest not installing as many.. Adblocking whether by hosts file or Adhell3 works by blocking the dns lookup of an advertisement. Both methods are not 100% perfect because if an advertisement comes from the same domain as where you are accessing (like facebook or Youtube sometimes do) then the advertisement will still be shown. Still to cut down on advertisements I would suggest going with Adhell3 over root.
- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
Nope, that means also that once you decice to flash custom recovery your knox will be triggered 0x1 in bootloader and it cant be reversed by flashing stock.
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
Most devs here release latest build of their ROMs based on the latest security patches from official stock ROMs. You can just dirty flash the latest build over the previous one.
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
Samsung pay and secure folder. However you can try google pay as an alternative and you can use MagiskHide to make apps work even if the phone is rooted.
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
You can go back to stock, but you wont be able to use the features mentioned above. It's a one way irreversible process.
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- Is there any way to root the phone without custom recovery?
Nope, that means also that once you decice to flash custom recovery your knox will be triggered 0x1 in bootloader and it cant be reversed by flashing stock.
- will I be able to install system updates if I root the phone? if not how am I supposed to install them when the device is rooted?
Most devs here release latest build of their ROMs based on the latest security patches from official stock ROMs. You can just dirty flash the latest build over the previous one.
- will it lose any of its features? if yes, which features?
Samsung pay and secure folder. However you can try google pay as an alternative and you can use MagiskHide to make apps work even if the phone is rooted.
- will I be able to go full stock again and gain all the lost features back?
You can go back to stock, but you wont be able to use the features mentioned above. It's a one way irreversible process.
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Remember to include Xprivacylua to inhibit apps from seeing what apps you have installed. Have helped me out using bank apps as well
Hi,
I am about to root my S9+.
Now ive see that everything is controlled/"secured" by Knox. Especially the Fingerprint and Faceunlock.
Do these things work after rooting the phone? What doesnt work when the phone is rooted?
Thanks in advance
Pretty much everything still works fine. Some custom roms have problems with Google Pay but with magisk you can use magisk hide and other magisk tweaks to make it work.
Fingerprint sensor and face unlock will still work fine. However if you flash a custom rom you are probably going to need to wipe/reset the phone and you will have to setup the phone again once it is installed.
noahthedominator said:
Pretty much everything still works fine. Some custom roms have problems with Google Pay but with magisk you can use magisk hide and other magisk tweaks to make it work.
Fingerprint sensor and face unlock will still work fine. However if you flash a custom rom you are probably going to need to wipe/reset the phone and you will have to setup the phone again once it is installed.
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hi there,
are there any root methods available that have 100% and not 80% battery?
thanks!
chc31 said:
hi there,
are there any root methods available that have 100% and not 80% battery?
thanks!
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What? What you mean? Root has nothing to do with battery.
Use magisk.
LiNe1771 said:
What? What you mean? Root has nothing to do with battery.
Use magisk.
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There is a root method that caps battery capacity to 80%. I want an option that doesn't do that