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I read in this month's issue of Stuff magazine that a new version of the XDA will be released later this year.
Browsing on internet I found only one link that showed a picture of a xda with a blue back panel and could as well be the original model.
Has anyone heard about this and maybe know where to find more info on this (if O2 will support them for instance) and some specs and maybe photo's?
Thanx
There will be a new version of the XDA but it's not certain yet which company/ies will be releasing it. I heard some rumours about bluetooth, more memory and a faster processor, I haven't heard anything on SDIO support yet.
Bluetooth would be great, WiFi would be fantastic. Maybe even GPS and a 56K color screen (for the freaks among us to watch movies)?
Anyone know the mail adress/website of HTC who makes them? Have some requests of my own....
Hope someone will post here as soon as they find out more..
If it has the newer Xscale CPU it's very likely it will support SDIO. The SD controller is build-in the CPU and all Xscale CPU's support SDIO.
Chiani
Ok, first off, getting your electronics info from "Stuff" magazine is like getting steak grilling tips from PETA. Plus all magazines like that are typically posted about two months after they are written, making them pretty useless for new developments.
Secondly, predicting a new XDA is like predicting that the sun will come up tomorrow, that winter will come in a few months, or that the curry I ate today will sting my ass tomorrow. It's obviously going to happen.
It's worthless until they say "on this date a new XDA with these features will be available." And when they can do that, you'll already have read it here two months earlier.
pc pro
i have a pc pro subscription. They had a review of the new iPaq with pocketPc 2k3. they went on to mention that all the pocket devices will be getting the update. including XDA.
Tomorrow never comes? But we old get older, and hopefully wiser...
Martin
Right Carlos...
One of the main reasons for a forum is for guys like me to wonder about stuff. Ask questions to other users with the same interest. Sometimes intelligent questions and some times less intelligent, but always within the region of interest of other forum readers. If you feel a threat is dumb, don't read it and especially don't reply on it. No need for smart-ass remarks here, we just want to chat about stuff we like.
I had a question, couldn't find it in the forum so I asked. Big Deal.
is like getting steak grilling tips from PETA
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LOL!
Anyway, PPC2K3 will appear on the XDA: Maybe not today; maybe not tomorrow; but soon and for the rest of your life.
::Bonkers eyes that revolve around three times per second because of copious amonts of beer:: Oh, not allowed that emoticon yet?
No need for smart-ass remarks here, we just want to chat about stuff we like.
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Sorry, I wasn't laughing AT you, but WITH you... I posted what I did because many people don't realize just how that publishing process goes--it's very lengthy and full of PR assholes. Those "what's new in electronics" columns are one of my pet peeves. And I'm a gruff asshole by nature anyway, so it came out worse than intended.
Hehe, no harm done. At least you were true about Stuff Magazine and most of it's other companions.
So.... When is the new model comming out?
;]
Playboy says next week...
..... it will have more intellectual articles about geopolitical situation? :wink:
in this article
Taiwanese ODM High Tech Computer (HTC) Corp will ship an updated PPC 2003/ARM4 version of its Falcon (aka Spaceneedle, Wallaby) PPC Phone Edition design, as sold by AT&T, mm02 and T-Mobile, before the end of June.
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and yesterday being the end of june, they seem to have missed the deadline... : [
This may be of interest..
I spoke to T Mobile UK about when the MDA was going to be introduced. They said that it was originally going to be introduced in March but now has been put back to the end of this year (because of techical difficulties?).
I wonder if they are planning to introduce the new unit.
Primed
New XDA details
This s the response I received from Carrier Devices regarding the New Qtek (XDA):
"There are plans for a new Qtek device, however I can't give out any official information. It won't be available until the end of the year, but will have Built in Bluetooth, SDIO and be tri-band"
please refer to topic http://xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1500 for further information about the XDA II
I guess I got my initial question answered, so as far as I'm concerned, this topic is now out-of-date
thanx for all the replies!
New XDA gets a mention at the register
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/31500.html
As usaul no details about it though
WiFi
The article on the register hints at WiFi.
Saying that users can seamlessly jump from hot spot to gprs...
Bet it will all cost a small fortune though!!
Martin
Who cares Martin! Us suckers will still buy it, it's only money!
revival
If somebody has the time...
Bring back the wishlist for XDA II and make it a sticky.
Bring on SDIO and the bluetooth!!!!
Title says all. Can anyone tell me anything about it(if you have attended) besides that its expensive as all hell. Like is there any requirements to attend or is it open to anybody that can afford it?
How expensive is it? lol I'd love to go.
I/O is more of a development conference than anything else. You can still access the live blogs on some tech sites.
It was 400 for registration last year. But I do believe all the people got a n1 for registering
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Yeah that's the thing... didn't they give free white evos out last time?
Yea I do believe so... I'm not certain tho because I have yet to attend.
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My husband and I went to Google I/O 2010. We were both sent Droids in the mail before the conference and both received a black Evo while at the conference. All of the phones included a free month of service. If you sign up during the early bird registration, you save some money (last year it sold out during early bird). Google gives out other freebies like socks and shirts too. They also had breakfast and lunch all days of the conference and dinner (with alcohol!) at the party. I think it's well worth the money. We stayed in California for the whole week and took full advantage of Groupons for dining and entertainment. We will be going back in 2011 because it's an awesome experience and well worth the money. If you really want to go, I would just set aside the money in advance so you don't have to worry about the whole cost at once. We paid for our conference tickets the week they went on sale, the plane tickets the next month, hotel the next month and set aside money for everything else during the other months we were waiting to go. It's a really incredible experience!
Around when did the early bird registration start? Really interested to go, want to bounce some ideas
My receipt was dated 1/14/10 for last year
I checked my receipt for Google IO 2010 and it is dated January 14th. I am sure I registered within a week of the announcement. I would expect to see registration announced and open shortly after New Year's. Put money aside now as it will sell out VERY fast. Last year it sold out during early bird registration period.
Does anyone know where to get tickets for the Google I/O confefence 2011? Thanks
earldriscoll said:
I checked my receipt for Google IO 2010 and it is dated January 14th. I am sure I registered within a week of the announcement. I would expect to see registration announced and open shortly after New Year's. Put money aside now as it will sell out VERY fast. Last year it sold out during early bird registration period.
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to the people that went to IO last year, are you developers or just people that wanted to go? if you are the later, what were your thoughts on the actual conference? is it worth it for people who don't develop?
Should non developers attend?
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to the people that went to IO last year, are you developers or just people that wanted to go? if you are the later, what were your thoughts on the actual conference? is it worth it for people who don't develop?
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I am not a developer per se, and I went last year. The swag in and of itself makes it worth attending. Additionally I had an amazing time attending the Android workshops and in the area where all the various software companies had their displays (I got a square reader for example). I will be registering as soon as early bird registration opens, I already have purchased my flight tickets. If you are as much a phone geek as me I would strongly recommend attending.
I can't wait
I know I can't wait to go to GOOGLE I/O this year, when is registration?
Save the date for Google I/O 2011
Google I/O just recently came to a close, but it won’t be long before we start gearing up for next year. And we’d like to make sure it’s on your calendars!
May 10-11, 2011
Moscone West, San Francisco
We’ll keep you updated when registration opens for I/O 2011 on the Google Code Blog, Twitter, and Buzz.
Google I/O registration opens this month. Be prepared to sign up quickly. Bet it sells out very, very fast.
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twitter.com - vicgundotra
Student Registration
Hey Question!!! how does the student registration work... when you get there is the only thing you have to show is a student id, also do students get the same perks that the full fair paying paticipants get...ie gifts...lol
My perspective on Google I/O
Google I/O is the conference to go to for all Google's developer tech. Not just Android, but Google TV, Chrome, GWT, etc...
As a European I have to say the cost is very low. Java One last year cost $2000 - that's $400 a day. An open source conference in London this spring is charging the equivalent of $500 a day. I can fly in to SF for a full week, stay in a nice hotel, go to Google I/O and spend less than the cost of a week's training in the UK (yes, I know I/O is only two days).
Devoxx is similar in approach - a fantastic value conference in Belgium that from a training and development perspective is a no-brainer. I'm a freelance consultant so I don't say this lightly - when I'm training I'm not earning!
If you're interested in going then you need to keep an eye on the Google Code Blog (googlecode) at blogspot (I've not enough posts yet to insert a URL) or the twitter feed 'googleio', which just yesterday said that registration would open this month. See you there!
Can anyone give me some feedback/justification on the android information at google io?
My company is willing to send me if it is worthwhile, and I need to find out as much about it as possible.
Is this the best conference for android developers to go to? Is there a better one?
Innova133 said:
Can anyone give me some feedback/justification on the android information at google io?
My company is willing to send me if it is worthwhile, and I need to find out as much about it as possible.
Is this the best conference for android developers to go to? Is there a better one?
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well i mean no one has more knowledge on the android system them the people who developed it? ive never been to one, but by the sounds of the people posting, it seems like it would be very worthwhile. if i wasnt a poor college student, i think that i would sign up to go.
Edit: just saw the student price.... now I'm for sure going
I'll be there this year. =)
I made the decision to go after seeing the swag^H^H^H^H conferences from last year. Money is budgeted for my daughter (student) and I to buy tickets as soon as they open up.
Can anyone confirm this rumor in german Android forums? Some people seem to be REALLY shure about this
SE said this month end .. so its just a rumour ...
Where did you see that?
Post a link please
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h t t p : //w w w.android-hilfe.de/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10/31515-android-2-1-fuer-x10-sowie-updates-die-vor-android-2-1-a-26.html
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android hilfe de
There may be some truth to this (although I doubt it)
They did say at the end of last month that they would need a couple of weeks
( http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/09/23/update-on-updates/ )
but no where is there an official date. So while it is possible, I still think it is doubtful
In 16:30 so lets just will till 18 and lets see ...
Atleast if enough people believe it it will be like a DDoS on the SEUS Servers xD
indeed, let the deluge commence!
Are u sure ? 2.1 coming today ?but we heard that talk since 3 years ago hehehe
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Any update?
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Nearly there. Oooooooo, I do hope this sorce is right.
It seems it is not true and I was so excited.
If the UK are in GMT +1 then it may come at 19:00. Just keeping the dream alive lol
No, the UK are GMT lol. I really doubt it will happen.
Read this
http://androinica.com/2010/10/14/t-...-pro-eclair-update-coming-by-end-of-november/
For unbrand ones i hope it will be sooner
UK is currently in daylight savings so yes we are GMT+1 at the moment
I think It is fake It is 19:26 stil no post
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Are you guys for real? I thought that UK will release it first but nothing really says on the twitter that 2.1 is even ready.
2.1 is scheduled to start on Week 43, which starts on the 24th, but no specific date. That's as real as it gets. Anyone claiming anything before is just straight up lies.
Roebeet said in a different post that Viewsonic has released a press release about the 4349 upgrade and that makes him feel that the 4349 OTA will be re-released at some point by Viewsonic.
I wolud like to read the press release but I cannot find it posted anywhere.
Roebeet, could you provide a link to the press release?
I don't doubt your information at all, I would just like to read it.
Thank you for your help and all your good work.
Anyone else know where to find this press release?
Thanks, Gary
not Roe, but I could only assume that the update will be re-released, since it appears that all Woot tablets are now being shipped with 4349 pre-installed. If they didn't release it, users that never come here could get upset that the newest firmware isn't available to them.
It was back in mid April - they had a notice here: http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/news.htm
Initially it talked about the new update, and that it had Flash, the extra languages etc. But 24 hours later they pulled the update, and then the notice a few days later (I actually had something to do with that as I had a VS contact and mentioned that pulling that notice might be a good idea).
I have no idea what their plans are, or why their remaining stock is being shipped with 4349 - this is all a mystery to me. I've personally given up on them and I assume that we'll never see another OTA update. Every time I've called their CS department about 4349, they've given me the gojimi XDA link on how to downlevel to 3588. What a mess.
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why their remaining stock is being shipped with 4349
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Can we really assume that this is their remaining stock? It seems that every time we think this, there is another Woot sale, or Tiger Direct surplus that's selling.
Right now, I'd estimate that the G-Tablet unit sales total surpasses iPad's sales by a landslide. These newest tablets were obviously manufatured after 4349 was released, right? That means that they are merely 2 months old, at most. souns like they are still in production to me.
TJEvans said:
Can we really assume that this is their remaining stock? It seems that every time we think this, there is another Woot sale, or Tiger Direct surplus that's selling.
Right now, I'd estimate that the G-Tablet unit sales total surpasses iPad's sales by a landslide. These newest tablets were obviously manufatured after 4349 was released, right? That means that they are merely 2 months old, at most. souns like they are still in production to me.
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Umm. No. From Wikipedia:
Apple released the first iPad in April 2010, and sold 3 million of the devices in 80 days.[13] During 2010, Apple sold 14.8 million iPads worldwide,[14][15][16] representing 75 percent of tablet PC sales at the end of 2010.[17]
By the release of the iPad 2 in March 2011, more than 15 million iPads had been sold[18]— more than all other tablet PCs combined.[citation needed] In 2011, it is expected to take 83 percent of the tablet computing market share in the United States.[19]
I think the first 'big woot rush' of G-tabs was like 10K.
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Umm. No. From Wikipedia:
Apple released the first iPad in April 2010, and sold 3 million of the devices in 80 days.[13] During 2010, Apple sold 14.8 million iPads worldwide,[14][15][16] representing 75 percent of tablet PC sales at the end of 2010.[17]
By the release of the iPad 2 in March 2011, more than 15 million iPads had been sold[18]— more than all other tablet PCs combined.[citation needed] In 2011, it is expected to take 83 percent of the tablet computing market share in the United States.[19]
I think the first 'big woot rush' of G-tabs was like 10K.
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Yeah, our little tablet buddy is (and always will be) in the minor leagues, sales-wise. However, Woot and TigerDirect seem to have bought most of what was left and a Woot-off is underway now.
I would guess (and it's only a guess) that we are talking MAYBE 60,000 at most. The November run was a thousand, and then the new stock came in but then Staples pulled their inventory. So there was probably a lot of devices sitting on a shelf, somewhere.
The devices from Woot! / Amazon / TD / J&R are probably from the second run, again that's my guess. And, at some point in the last two months, someone made the decision to put 4349 on them - I assume to get Flash pre-installed. It's much easier to do that using a process like nvflash versus someone physically installing it on each device manually. I doubt very highly that these new devices are actually two months old, or newer - more likely they are from December / January.
Flash was promised.
One of the reasons for my original question was that Viewsonic's web site promises official Flash support "anticipated sometime in May" and May has already passed. (The web site does not say May of what year).
If I remember right Flash Player Logo was shown as supported on the box as sold by Viewsonic through Sears, Office Depot, and probably at Staples although they were already pulled before I bought mine.
It seems like this would be a good case for a Law Firm to look into and should probably be a class action law suit.
Now I wonder: When will this official Flash support be available?
From their web site!
"Adobe Flash Support:
The Viewsonic gTablet hardware fully supports the Adobe Flash Player. An automatic firmware update will offer gTablet users the option to install the Flash Player plug-in, and is anticipated in May, 2011.
Advanced users may download and install Adobe Flash Player available here. Access the download link from your gTablet browser to install directly to the device. For best performance, make sure to fully power down and reboot the system before accessing Flash content.
(Please note that ViewSonic cannot provide technical support for unofficial installations of Flash players. We will fully support the Adobe certified Flash Player when it is released for the gTablet.)"
If 4349 has been pulled, what future OTA will allow the option to install the Flash Player plug-in, and where is that support?
roebeet said:
It was back in mid April - they had a notice here: http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/news.htm
Initially it talked about the new update, and that it had Flash, the extra languages etc. But 24 hours later they pulled the update, and then the notice a few days later (I actually had something to do with that as I had a VS contact and mentioned that pulling that notice might be a good idea).
I have no idea what their plans are, or why their remaining stock is being shipped with 4349 - this is all a mystery to me. I've personally given up on them and I assume that we'll never see another OTA update. Every time I've called their CS department about 4349, they've given me the gojimi XDA link on how to downlevel to 3588. What a mess.
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Thanks for the link. I remember when the site still had the reference to 4349 even though the OTA had already ended.
I thought maybe there was a seperate press release.
GaryHypnosis said:
One of the reasons for my original question was that Viewsonic's web site promises official Flash support "anticipated sometime in May" and May has already passed. (The web site does not say May of what year).
If I remember right Flash Player Logo was shown as supported on the box as sold by Viewsonic through Sears, Office Depot, and probably at Staples although they were already pulled before I bought mine.
It seems like this would be a good case for a Law Firm to look into and should probably be a class action law suit.
Now I wonder: When will this official Flash support be available?
From their web site!
"Adobe Flash Support:
The Viewsonic gTablet hardware fully supports the Adobe Flash Player. An automatic firmware update will offer gTablet users the option to install the Flash Player plug-in, and is anticipated in May, 2011.
Advanced users may download and install Adobe Flash Player available here. Access the download link from your gTablet browser to install directly to the device. For best performance, make sure to fully power down and reboot the system before accessing Flash content.
(Please note that ViewSonic cannot provide technical support for unofficial installations of Flash players. We will fully support the Adobe certified Flash Player when it is released for the gTablet.)"
If 4349 has been pulled, what future OTA will allow the option to install the Flash Player plug-in, and where is that support?
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I had forgotten that it wasn't supported except with 4349 -- that's true. So, seven months after I purchased my Gtablet, I still don't have a stock ROM that has an "official" Flash version (not counting 4349 since I could have easily missed that update - 24 hours isn't a long time).
"Anticipated" is the key word, on their site. Don't think that wasn't added accidentally - gives them leeway to delay things yet again.
Here is a fun act. On the support page, where it says software update back in April there's a link that's called "please see news for more info". If you click on that link, it takes you to the news page where the gtablet software update link takes you back to the support page. Look at the parts of screen shots that I took. The top part is the support page and the bottom is the news page.
That's because they don't care.
So i started a thread outlining the lack of real support and the decline of development because of it...here is how it has gone thus far...
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Aug 9, 2011 10:18 AM
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Having owned since day one and have had to return my first device due to countless issues i am starting to feel like this is turning out to be a lame duck device...no hype...no support...no care coming from Sprint and Motorola...hell we cant even create a blur account. I personally feel that developers should be allowed to fix what is broken as we're the first line of defense and offense when it comes to these devices...Shipping with a locked bootloader only shows us that we're just the red headed stepchildren of the machine. Had it been open as android had intended then i can say with 100% CERTAINTY that the known issues would have been resolved day one...but alas...we're left to pick from the scraps and hope for someone to throw us a bone.
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1. Aug 9, 2011 12:25 PM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
What issues, specifically, were you having with your Photon? A lot of us have had quite positive experiences with ours, overall. It could be you just had a bad unit.
As for the open/locked/OSS/nonOSS debate, that's something best left off a tech support forum in my opinion.
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2. Aug 9, 2011 12:39 PM (in response to techiemoe)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
First off... a lot doesn't equate to all...therefore your comment regarding a positive experience isn't really substantiating. Secondly this device was plagued from the start with inbound/outbound audio issues...battery drain...data mismatch issues..etc...If the device were perfect there wouldn't be a need for a support forum specifically
for it now would there be?
Please understand I am no mook or a noob I have been around for a very long time developing for devices such as this and yes this is the best place to discuss bootloaders as it was Motorola's intention to release devices with unlocked bootloaders and well...they dropped the ball with this one.
And to the MOD I apologize for whatever inappropriate or derogatory comment that was made...I wasn't aware I had cursed at all to be quite honest with out...and if I did, could you please tell me what it was I said?
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3. Aug 9, 2011 12:44 PM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Why the hostility? I don't discount your negative experience, I was simply trying to point out that it might not be a representative example of the product as a whole. I personally find my Photon to be quite a nice device, which is why I was curious to know what issues you might be having so myself or others could try and fix them.
Frankly, based on your response, I'm sorry I tried to help. My mistake.
yay4juggs wrote:
First off... a lot doesn't equate to all...therefore your comment regarding a positive experience isn't really substantiating. Secondly this device was plagued from the start with inbound/outbound audio issues...battery drain...data mismatch issues..etc...If the device were perfect there wouldn't be a need for a support forum specifically
for it now would there be?
Please understand I am no mook or a noob I have been around for a very long time developing for devices such as this and yes this is the best place to discuss bootloaders as it was Motorola's intention to release devices with unlocked bootloaders and well...they dropped the ball with this one.
And to the MOD I apologize for whatever inappropriate or derogatory comment that was made...I wasn't aware I had cursed at all to be quite honest with out...and if I did, could you please tell me what it was I said?
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4. Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM (in response to techiemoe)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
I am not hostile in any way and now that it seems i came across as such I feel terrible. I do apologize to you it wasnt my intention to be a that way.
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5. Aug 9, 2011 12:52 PM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
@yay4juggs, techiemoe
Let's shake hands and make up. This is a peer-to-peer support site. Sometimes there are misunderstandings, trust me, I've been apart of a few.
But, let just continue on, and see if we can help each other out.
Thanks,
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6. Aug 9, 2011 1:28 PM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
yay4juggs wrote:
If the device were perfect there wouldn't be a need for a support forum specifically
for it now would there be?
Well, Motorola maintains support forums for all of their devices, because none of them are perfect. And heck, support forums aren't just for imperfect devices, they're probably more for imperfect people.
Seriously, though, I do think that there's a subset of folks all experiencing almost exactly the same issues, and so I'm guessing there's a batch of phones that went out with a specific manufacturing defect. There's just too clear a line between people who have the issues, and don't. I'm one who hasn't had a single issue with mine, and I mean that precisely: not a single issue. It's actually one of the first devices I've owned that had none (knocking on a seriously huge piece of wood over here).
If I were you, I'd exchange for a new one, particularly for the audio issue. That seems to be the one that some people specifically are experiencing, and the only fix seems to be to swap it out.
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7. Aug 9, 2011 1:30 PM (in response to wynand32)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
i am on my second one already exchanged it yesterday at the sprint store...
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8. Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
This isn't a "MOTOBLUR" phone, the account info is linked behind the scenes. You can't create an account.
Yes this is a support forum. Support to let us know when there is a problem and to share information. I learn all sorts of new things every day. It's an information rich place.
No need to exchange your phone for the audio issue. Just reboot your phone.
If you have particular issues. Join a thread in progress or start a new one if one doesn't exist already. Multi issue threads are not helpful and issues get lost.
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Sprint/Nextel
United States
9. Aug 10, 2011 3:54 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
The fact that you think just rebooting the phone fixes everything is beyond me. That is the simple reason why unlocking the bootloader is neccesary so that dev's like yay4 can develop improvments and fix problems so end users like ourselves can use our devices near perfectly. Oh and then so Motorola or whichever company, in this case it is them, can learn from people like yay4 and produce solid fixes through software updates.
Your comment made me register. That is like me telling my customer, "hey, your fuel pump is out, just grab a full gas can, sit in the engine compartment and the faster you pour the faster you go, no worries." It will be fine. LOL
Unreal.
Give us the unlocked BL you promised us. Why not? It's not like your gving us each a semi-truck full of coke. Not the drink.
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10. Aug 10, 2011 4:57 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Mark your response to reboot the phone every time is irresponsible of you if you are indeed a manager. I really want this phone but have not purchased due to all the issues especially the no audio issue when making or receiving calls. I'm sure this one problem is keeping many people on the side lines until they find out if it will be resolved. You would better server the people on this forum with letting them know what Motorola actually knows about the problem and when we can expect a fix than telling them to reboot the phone. I would think Motorola and Sprint would want to make the phone do it's primary job work as a phone before fixing any other issue. This is the one issue that is keeping me on the side line. Once you fx this, I plan to purchase ASAP. Please give us some facts about the issue instead of reboot the phone.
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11. Aug 10, 2011 6:42 AM (in response to rcs8104)
Re: Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
No need to be hostile concerning the no audio issue. We're looking into it.
Rebooting is a work around for the moment. Not a solution.
Calling me irresponsible is out of line. I'm not an engineer. I don't create
software fixes. I work between you and the software and hardware teams to
minimize the pain, as much as I can, when an issue is found or something is
misunderstood. I'm here as your advocate. Let's work together and not
against each other.
Mark
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12. Aug 10, 2011 7:11 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Re: Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Mark, I wasn't trying to be hostile and I'm sorry you took it that wasy. I really want this phone and I'm buying it at full price but I'm not going to buy it if it can't work as a phone. If you work between us and software and hardware teams then give us some info on what they have found and when we might expect an upgrade. I really don't care about the other issues this phone is having and won't buy until the phone works everytime without a reboot as I am dependent on that feature.
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13. Aug 10, 2011 9:02 AM (in response to rcs8104)
Re: Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
@rcs8104
I understand the issue is frustrating and I hope it is resolved sooner than later. I'm the intermediate person by way of sharing information that you provide back with the product teams and advocating on your behalf. I give any info that I am allowed to provide. Often I am not necessarily told the root cause of an issue and the times where that info is shared it is often too technical for the average person. It's rare that we share what we find out when investigating a customer complaint and when we do have such information I am always forthcoming in providing it. As far as when you might expect an update. I don't speculate here as that does a disservice to you if it isn't accurate. When I know something official I'll provide it. I know there are those who are eager to have it working properly and there are others who are considering purchasing the phone and will base their purchase decision on the resolution of certain things. I don't blame you here. Could you face the issue... Potentially, yes... It's not guaranteed. Regardless we want you to be confident in our products. As a work around some of the users in the other thread on this topic hae been turning their phone off momentarily before they put it on the charger for the night and have had success. Not a solution but it's getting them by until a solution can be provided.
FYI. Update is a bug fix or a software change that stays with the same Android version 2.3.3 -> 2.3.4 where as an upgrade is a change in android version 2.2.2 to 2.3.4. Just wanted to make sure you understood our terminology.
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14. Aug 10, 2011 9:21 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Mark
I understand you have a position to maintain and are censored but come on lets call it like it is...Efforts to troubleshoot have failed miserably. Had it been like I suggested in my OP this would have been resolved a lot sooner than 13 days after discovery. It is not a hardware failure it is a software failure and most importantly a MOTO failure. You say this isn't a blur device yet the base of the OS is latent with blur and blur like features yet you still wont believe this is blur device. MOTO knew blur was faulty from the start that's why they pushed a dumb down version for us to avoid calling it MOTOBLUR. We may not all be engineers but I know for a fact we all aren't that dumb... you can paint a pile of poop gold but it's still just a pile of poop is it not? This device alone screams for dev's to actually fix what is wrong with it. As far as a maintenance release...I have the MR3 directly from MOTO please pay close attention to the following information as it pertains to your previous statements.
Filename: 1FF-sunfire-user-2.3.4-4.5.1A-1_SUN-154_MR-3-CM-release-keys-signed-Sprint-US.s bf
Creation Date: 07/29/2011 21:22:47
File size: -1854871739
RAM DL Version: N / A
Bootloader Version: N / A
Platform: 4G TEGRA
Please be aware of the creation date...2 WHOLE DAYS PRIOR TO DEVICE LAUNCH. Do you not find it odd that a maintenance release was already created before the phone was released to the general public? Ready to call a spade a spade yet?
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15. Aug 10, 2011 9:48 AM (in response to djspinister)
Re: Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
First post and you make the statement that I think that rebooting the phone fixes everything. Not sure where you got that idea. Need to read more of my posts I think.
As far as the unlocked bootloader that is dependent on where the service provider will allow. I think an unlocked bootloader is a good idea but there are multiple things that need to come together to make it possible and a good solution. Some ROMs are better than others. I've used ROMs before and while some are good others are not so it's not a slam dunk. ROM devs and staff software engineers don't have a level playing field as they don't both work to the same requirements/challenges/expectations. So while yay4 might have talent cooking ROMs I don't think it's fair to compare him/her to staff software engineer.
Yes we're working on a bootloader solution. It wasn't promised for any particular device, though I hope it will be picked up on recently released products though it will only be for products where the service provider will allow.
Thanks for joining even if it was in a moment of misunderstanding. Glad you're passionate.
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The fact that you think just rebooting the phone fixes everything is beyond me. That is the simple reason why unlocking the bootloader is neccesary so that dev's like yay4 can develop improvments and fix problems so end users like ourselves can use our devices near perfectly. Oh and then so Motorola or whichever company, in this case it is them, can learn from people like yay4 and produce solid fixes through software updates.
Your comment made me register. That is like me telling my customer, "hey, your fuel pump is out, just grab a full gas can, sit in the engine compartment and the faster you pour the faster you go, no worries." It will be fine. LOL
Unreal.
Give us the unlocked BL you promised us. Why not? It's not like your gving us each a semi-truck full of coke. Not the drink.
-DJ
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16. Aug 10, 2011 10:04 AM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
@yay4juggs
How do you troubleshooting has failed miserably? There has been a lot of useful information gathered here on the forum. A lot more information than you'd get from a store rep or call center notes. A combination of the two is instrumental to providing a sound solution.
Yes the phone does have many MOTOBLUR attributes but it is not a "MOTOBLUR" device as there is no login. Dumbed down version? Nope just less visible. No one is calling anyone dumb.
We're always improving our software. The software development cycle doesn't stop the day launch software is approved for device launch... It continues like it should so that things can be fixed as close as they can to launch in the event that something didn't make it into launch software. I think this is really in the customer advantage. So no I don't call it odd if it were true. Software created two days before wouldn't be pushed to your phone right away... There is a lot of testing that goes on before it makes it to your phone.
Be glad to continue this discussion where I have something to add but the tone isn't going in a direction that I want to continue. Up to you.
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17. Aug 10, 2011 10:06 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Don't ever insult my intelligence or integrity because you never know, I may actually know more than your software engineers...it's already proven I know a lot more than you...
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18. Aug 10, 2011 10:10 AM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
yay4juggs
Proven how? I don't share everything I know. Again I share everything I'm allowed to share.
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19. Aug 10, 2011 10:22 AM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
Again.. I'm here working as your advocate. It's counter productive to be hostile. In none of my previous posts was insulting anyone's intelligence. I was aware of your posts elsewhere before you joined our forum.
Do me a favor and update your forum profile to inclued your MEID serial number i see you have your IMEI number in there right now. *#06# on your dialer to see it.
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20. Aug 10, 2011 1:24 PM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
Re: Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
I know it has failed miserably as I personally went thru every possible step to troubleshoot the problem [removed]. Initially it was thought to be a provisioning error so sprint would attempt to reprogram the device manually...when that failed they came up with try pulling the battery to reconnect to towers to see if you can make calls again...that was putting a Band-Aid on a broken arm. the fact of the matter is we should not have to take the battery out of our device just to use it's most primal function...to make a phone call! When it comes to replacing a device Sprint requires it's tech's to troubleshoot before replacing to hopefully fix the problem and avoid a costly device exchange. Well that didn't work...(keeping tabs? that's 3 failed steps to rectify the situation) so they decided ok...just exchange device and hope the device isn't plagued by the same problems as the previous device. BTW that's number failure #4. Starting to see a pattern here? The device is defective OOB yet we're not allowed to fix it and MOTO hasn't a clue...If they did they wouldn't direct you to give canned responses like "pull the battery." [removed]
Edited for personal attack. Please talk about yourself, not others, and help us keep this a civil site per our site rules.
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21. Aug 10, 2011 10:42 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
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Why is my meid important to you? You dont need that information to resond to message boards.
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Sprint/Nextel
United States
22. Aug 10, 2011 11:07 AM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
1. MOTOXPRTs are not employees. They are consumer volunteers just like you that spend countless hours assisting people on the forum. There troubleshooting is largely not directed by Motorola. I think of possible things to try to see if things are improved but I don't ever claim to think of everything. I see the suggestion to try Sprint only as a valuable step to determine if it had something to do with roaming. Not sure that I ever suggested re-provisioning the device, though if the phone has service I wouldn't think that would be necessary. Not sure if you are referring to Sprint or someone here concerning pulling battery. I've found that pulling the battery is unecessary. Powering the phone off and back on is sufficient. Pulling the battery is overkill. Again doing this isn't ideal but it gets it working until a permanent solution can be created. We don't want you to exchange the device if it's unlikely to be resolved by doing so. Wastes your time if you'll just see it again and adds to your aggrivation. I don't like to even suggest resets if I can avoid it because it requires a user to set up their device again and it eliminates a problem that may find its way back on the device. Avoiding the inevitable.
Are all devices experiencing this issue. No. I myself have experienced it one time. That time I happen to make my first call of the day in a location I am not normally at. I have not made a call in that location at any time since then to see if it could be replicated.
From your post on another site you suggest the solution is already found which indicates our engineers do have a clue. From the software you mentioned there are likely several other versions following that software you claim to have that may have numerous other fixes.
No one directed me on telling anyone to pull the battery so I'm not sure where you got that idea. So it's not a canned response and if it was I would push back and ask what the benefit to pulling the battery is over just powering the phone off.
Serial number is important as we can do some proactive investigation prior to responding on the forums to any given issue. It helps us help you quicker. So you are correct, it isn't necessary to respond but it does help users be helped.
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23. Aug 10, 2011 11:17 AM (in response to Mark (Forums Manager))
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see there you go...questioning my integrity...I claim to have? yeah...I HAVE...including the final release just put out to it's engineers...as far as providing my meid...not happening... that is how phones get cloned and all hell breaks loose...trust me i have been there.
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24. Aug 10, 2011 11:30 AM (in response to yay4juggs)
Development of the Photon 4g suffers because of the manipulation of the Carrier and Manufacturer...
@yay4juggs
Matt nor I will clone your phone. No one else on the forum will have access to it. Your profile information is safely secured behind our https:// site. If you're really concerned send me a PM with your MEID number.
How can I trust you you refuse to be helped? Your restrictive in providing information to attempt to help you.
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Just a short while ago i got a pm from another forum manager "matt"
just a short while ago i got a private message from another manager named Matt
To: yay4juggs
From: Matt (Forums Manager)
Sent: Aug 10, 2011
Subject: Private Message: Your posts, your username
Hello, yay4juggs.
I had the opportunity to review your posting history after seeing a post of yours in our moderation queue. In a short while you have managed to break several site rules and take a hostile position toward our moderators and a site manager.
Additionally, I find your username to be inappropriate for our site.
We want to hear the bad stuff about our devices -- it helps us improve immeasurably. But we require that all members follow site rules and help keep our site civil and family friendly. This note is an invitation to review your posting habits and our site rules. We want your insights and hope you can remain a valued contributor.
Please let me know what you would like as your new username and I will change it for you.
Thanks,
- Matt
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something tells me they don't like being made to look stupid or questioned
Lol everytime they're proved wrong its seen as hostility instead of just being wrong
Sent from my PHOTON blaster!
You should ask him what specifically is offensive about your username.
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You should ask him what specifically is offensive about your username.
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Maybe he's lactose intolerant
LOL...good reading here. Couple things to point out, and please don't take offense Juggies.
1. Use a different Screen Name in these situations, you'll never be taken seriously. It SHOULDN'T matter, but it DOES. A corporate representative will immediately flag a name like yours in their mind as immature and ignorant. Good luck entering an intelligent or productive conversation in such a scenario.
Yes, there's no need to argue that it SHOULDN'T be that way. Agreed. However, that's the way the rest of the world responds.
2. Telling a company that has designed something over countless months, pouring their resources into it fully, that it sucks and you could do it better isn't a great way to start a mutual progression of solution. LOL. Imagine if I flashed one of your ROMs, then posted in the ROM thread that you were retarded and should just let me take it over. Heh...I imagine one of us would end up getting an XDA time-out.
I've always gone with the build em up, then tear em down kind of argument in my dealings with these kind of scenarios. "Totally loving this device, you guys really nailed the design and performance. I've noticed however, as well as numerous others, some serious issues. Mind if we dig into it and see what can't be done? I'm pretty knowledgeable, perhaps I can help by pointing out some scenarios to look at?"
3. The Boot Loader unlock. I have sent my share of prodding on this issue. Repeatedly. I have pointed out to Motorola that all their competitors are way ahead of them in this regard. HTC, Sammy, etc have already done so...or are showing proof of progress. I've gotten 2 e-mails so far in reply, stating the difficulty and length of said project...blah blah blah. Meh...whatevs.
Anywho...just my thoughts. Anyone have Sanjay Jha's email addy? We could nuke his inbox...beats the hell outta talkin with some guy on some forum that doesn't know his Moto from his Rola.
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LOL...good reading here. Couple things to point out, and please don't take offense Juggies.
1. Use a different Screen Name in these situations, you'll never be taken seriously. It SHOULDN'T matter, but it DOES. A corporate representative will immediately flag a name like yours in their mind as immature and ignorant. Good luck entering an intelligent or productive conversation in such a scenario.
Yes, there's no need to argue that it SHOULDN'T be that way. Agreed. However, that's the way the rest of the world responds.
2. Telling a company that has designed something over countless months, pouring their resources into it fully, that it sucks and you could do it better isn't a great way to start a mutual progression of solution. LOL. Imagine if I flashed one of your ROMs, then posted in the ROM thread that you were retarded and should just let me take it over. Heh...I imagine one of us would end up getting an XDA time-out.
I've always gone with the build em up, then tear em down kind of argument in my dealings with these kind of scenarios. "Totally loving this device, you guys really nailed the design and performance. I've noticed however, as well as numerous others, some serious issues. Mind if we dig into it and see what can't be done? I'm pretty knowledgeable, perhaps I can help by pointing out some scenarios to look at?"
3. The Boot Loader unlock. I have sent my share of prodding on this issue. Repeatedly. I have pointed out to Motorola that all their competitors are way ahead of them in this regard. HTC, Sammy, etc have already done so...or are showing proof of progress. I've gotten 2 e-mails so far in reply, stating the difficulty and length of said project...blah blah blah. Meh...whatevs.
Anywho...just my thoughts. Anyone have Sanjay Jha's email addy? We could nuke his inbox...beats the hell outta talkin with some guy on some forum that doesn't know his Moto from his Rola.
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my name on there used to be billindelicato but could never recover my password as the email used to set it up was from adelphia.net which was taken over by twc and roadrunner so i no longer have access to that account.
Well...at least you didn't go posting with your screen name in a forum for WeAreSmallBreastedWomen.com.
Yes, it exists
Similar thing happened to me over at Android Forums, I corrected some mod named EarlyMon and he put me on "probation"
Not a big deal, would rather help out XDA. Been a long time visitor and try to contribute when I can.
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Similar thing happened to me over at Android Forums, I corrected some mod named EarlyMon and he put me on "probation"
Not a big deal, would rather help out XDA. Been a long time visitor and try to contribute when I can.
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we get more done here than anywhere else!
I tried to read that entire thread but scrolling left/right became a chore & I wasn't 1/2 way thru it. Going on forums like that; esp tech doesn't always produce the desired end result. You're talking to a bunch of people who don't want to admit something is terribly wrong.
I did LMAO at Matt who actually seemed to take offense at your response; as though you accused him of saying something he didn't say. I clearly read, "No need to exchange your phone for the audio issue. Just reboot your phone."....Seriously???
On another note~ I don't know how long you've been using your current screen name. If its associated with ANY development you've ever done, I wouldn't change it. Maybe Mr. Mod needs to Google you and get a clue.... IJS...
Yea juggs I see you a lot on here and noticed that thread by chance. F*ck those guys over there, they have no clue. Especially that email or pm you got. I would have let him have it. Complete power trip ***** move. Prolly jealous cuz his girl has bee stings for tits. What a bunch of cowards. I will make a follow up post on that site, I don't give two ****s if I get suspended or banned over there. Idiots mang. Xda is where its at. We'll get that boot loader unlocked, and show them what's up.
-Dj
LOL! That was some funny ****...
Anyway, so when can we get a taste of this new firmware?
Yay 4 Juggs said:
see there you go...questioning my integrity...I claim to have? yeah...I HAVE...including the final release just put out to it's engineers...as far as providing my meid...not happening... that is how phones get cloned and all hell breaks loose...trust me i have been there.
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LOL! That was some funny ****...
Anyway, so when can we get a taste of this new firmware?
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maybe in the morning...we'll see how saucy i feel by then
Nice! I hope it's as awesome as I think it'll be...
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maybe in the morning...we'll see how saucy i feel by then
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I can't swap out my phone, damn employee plan. I have to send the phone to SprintCOL then wait a week to get credit back to my account not a refund but my account which they cannot bill me the phone I have to pay money again and hope the promotion is going to still be going.....ugh **** tits so I gotta wait for a firmware update....
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I can't swap out my phone, damn employee plan. I have to send the phone to SprintCOL then wait a week to get credit back to my account not a refund but my account which they cannot bill me the phone I have to pay money again and hope the promotion is going to still be going.....ugh **** tits so I gotta wait for a firmware update....
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that's exactly why i'm not taking the employee plan, to much hassle
Don't even dare go to precentral.net and have anything non-positive to say about the Touchpad, OMG...
Yay 4 Juggs JUST WONDERING IF YOU could give a heads up as i bought a photon but can get in it to move things around ??? i got it rooted last night but i am super ready to dump my boosted EVO3D as no offense but i think it sucks and have been rocking my evo4g over the 3d! sorry to all the 3D lovers just my OP either way ive been up for days trying to find away in or around it thanks and hope i did'nt step on any toes
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They are a bunch of *****es. I didn't even get the PM, I just got suspended. I had a problem with audio, notifications, camera not working, etc. and had been going back and forth for months. Finally, I got sick of them beating around the bush, trying to put blame on me because I did this or that. So because I paid several hundred dollars for a pile that doesn't work half the time, I got a little aggressive. I admit. But I don't know if I will ever get access to my account again, but if I do, I am going to let him have it. (It was also Matt, who didn't even have the balls to PM me, like I said.) I got something all planned out for that little *****.