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I would prefer this thread not become a "I am getting XYZ HELP!" thread, because it would be off topic. But I know it runs the risk of that because I would like to talk about the choice of Roms that XV6800 owners have used and the pros and cons of them.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the following GPS enabled ROMS on the verizon phones: (in order of complexity)
1. Original leaked ROM
2. No2Chem's nueROM http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17219
3. DCD's 2.3.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371314
4. nexvisions's http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364043
This section is now expanded to include a longer list of relative information needed to prepair for this process:
I've seen the Easy update thread: (This thread flashes the unlocker and radio in a single step using a ROM installation designed ONLY for a Sprint phone. Some believe this is why ppl have the 15 minute delay before aquiring a signal.)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.phpHere ?t=17667
You can see documentation for DCD's update from a Verizon Customer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1973238&postcount=536
Here are the stock roms for recovery purposes (Signed and sealed by Verizon -not rips)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1845171&postcount=13
Here is an unlocker: (also includes exit bl; read the .bat file to learn a lot and get some useful CLI commands)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9093
Here is the Titan relocker:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=125160
Radio ROM 3.27.00
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362563
"general flashing rule is to start device in bootloader mode first and then flash. Do NOT flash it while it is running WindowsMobile OS."
Here are the generic steps to peform a standard burn from stock (works for some but all numbers should be written down in preparation)
0. WRITE DOWN ALL INFO UNDER ##778
0.1 REMOVE YOUR MicroSD CARD NOW!!!
1. Flash 2.40 unlocker using the Titanunlocker.bat inside the rar file (all files should be extracted to a new directory)
2. Flash DCD 2.3.2 (or preferred rom) different roms will
3. Flash radio 3.27
4. after booting dial a *228 to get the latest programing
That's it. It should be that simple.
If you are stuck, you might just be in the boot loader, use this tool for Verizon phones only to exit the boot loader:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9229
Here's how to recover when it is not:
1. Using a PC, format a microSD card to FAT32.
2. Using winrar or an unzipper, extract the *.nbh file from the ROM upgrade .exe.
3. Copy the *.nbh file to the formatted microSD card
4. Rename the file on the microSD card TITAIMG.nbh.
5. Insert the microSD card into the phone and reset into bootloader.
6. The phone will tell you to press the power button to flash the ROM; do so.
Going into bootloader mode: power, camera, reset all at once.
Hard reset: Press the two dot (bottom menu) keys and hit the reset button, release all after two seconds. (RUMOR: Leaving the SD card in the phone may result in the SD card content being wiped. I don't care to test the rumor.)
I've read loads of threads tonight. My problem is that most of this stuff is slanted to Sprint stuff. I'm creating this as a central place for Verizon update facts. I'd love to hear if things work or if things don't work.
I'm considering flashing my phone tomorrow, (didn't happen yet by choice) but will also be travelling starting that night. Obviously the smart thing to do would be do go without GPS on my adventures, but it would be soo cool to have it working for SxSW just for the geek factor. And that calls to me.
So, here are some of my myths and mythunderstandings:
1. Every Verizon customer who updates their radio has to call into verizon to re-authenticate their phone. But Verizon is pretty cool about that even if you say you were flashing your phone.
2. This is true even if you follow the steps in the easy guide and write everything down it tells you to write down because Verizon uses a GUID generated by the radio rom when it is used for the first time on your phone. Not all areas as of today not every area does this but most and soon all will. It depends upon where you are in their upgrade chains.
3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer.
4. People have upgraded to the original leaked rom without a problem (and without that delay) and that allowed them to have working phones possibly because of one or all of the following:
a. It is signed by Verizon and you don't have to unlock your phone?
b. MAYBE it doesn't require the radio upgrade???? (FIRST REPLY STATES THE RADIO IS REQUIRED FOR ALL GPS ROMS)
c. Because it was built using only Verizon stuff it is missing whatever incompatible tool the other kitchens have in them????
d. Because it has WM 6.0 and 6.1 hasn't been tested with Verizon????
5. DCD's rom has all of the MS Office software as an installable option whereas No2Chem's excludes it. Don't know if this includes outlook or not.
6. Both of the Kitchens mentioned above will work with Verizon and they have options that allow you to choose Verizon as an install option branding your phone correctly.
So that is upgrading your verizon phone as I understand it. Am I off too far on anything? I've not seen reports of any bricks yet but I know that is always possible.
So who has tried what ROM and to what degree of success?
BrianLayman said:
I would prefer this thread not become a "I am getting XYZ HELP!" thread, because it would be off topic. But I know it runs the risk of that because I would like to talk about the choice of Roms that XV6800 owners have used and the pros and cons of them.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the following GPS enabled ROMS on the verizon phones:
1. Original leaked ROM
2. DCD 2.3.2 with 3.27 Radio upgrade
3. No2Chem
I've also seen the Easy update thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17667
You can see documentation for DCD's update from a Verizon Customer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1973238&postcount=536
I've read loads of threads tonight and my problem is that most of this stuff is slanted to Sprint stuff. I'm creating this as a central place for Verizon update facts. I'd love to hear if things work or if things don't work. I'm considering flashing my phone tomorrow, but will also be travelling starting that night. Obviously the smart thing to do would be do go without GPS on my adventures, but it would be soo cool to have it working for SxSW just for the geek factor and that calls to me.
So, here are some of my myths and mythunderstandings:
1. Everyone Verizon customer has to call into verizon to re-authenticate their phone. But Verizon is pretty cool about that even if you say you were flashing your phone.
2. This is true even if you follow the steps in the easy guide and write everything down it tells you to write down because Verizon uses a GUID generated by the radio rom when it is used for the first time on your phone. Not all areas as of today not every area does this but most and soon all will. It depends upon where you are in their upgrade chains.
3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer.
4. People have upgraded to the original leaked rom without a problem (and without that delay) and that allowed them to have working phones possibly because of one or all of the following:
a. It is signed by Verizon and you don't have to unlock your phone?
b. MAYBE it doesn't require the radio upgrade????
c. Because it was built using only Verizon stuff it is missing whatever incompatible tool the other kitchens have in them????
d. Because it has WM 6.0 and 6.1 hasn't been tested with Verizon????
5. DCD's rom has all of the MS Office software as an installable option whereas No2Chem's excludes it. Don't know if this includes outlook or not.
6. Both of the Kitchens mentioned above will work with Verizon and they have options that allow you to choose Verizon as an install option branding your phone correctly.
So that is upgrading your verizon phone as I understand it. Am I off too far on anything? I've not seen reports of any bricks yet but I know that is always possible.
So who has tried what ROM and to what degree of success?
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1. There are people who say they did not need to call verizon, but i did.
2. this is mostly true, some areas still use an akey but verizon will gladly give that to you, just tell them you did a hard reset.
3. the roms that work with GPS require the 3.27 radio... I had no delay with using the phone after any flash (i've done several) there is a delay for GPS to work the first time
4.a. original leaked rom was from sprint
4.b. the radio upgrade to 3.27 is required or GPS will not work and neither will any rom that is based on this radio
4.c. again original leaked rom is from sprint and contains no verizon stuff, dcd broke down the leaked rom and made available to everyone else
4.d. the titan or xv6800 shipped with 6.0 (6.1 to release soon for verizon, although i have it now)
5. the outlook portion of office is standard on all pocket pc phone
6. True...you must choose your carrier or you won't be able to connect to your towers properly
that being said, I use a rom built with dcd's kitchen and am very pleased, if you want one with lots of stuff you may want to try nexvisions rom
Hope this helps
rmancl said:
that being said, I use a rom built with dcd's kitchen and am very pleased, if you want one with lots of stuff you may want to try nexvisions rom
Hope this helps
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Thanks rmacl! That helps a lot. Reading through a few hundred pages of facts for different versions mixed in with cries for help and resolved issues can make the process, for someone who thought a kitchen was a room till a very short time ago, pretty daunting no matter how tech savy they are they are.
I appreciate your help in solidifying the details.
I will then be upgrading my phone tomorrow. I plan on following the easy update post listed above exactly as it is written.
I saw one post of a person who had done the same thing EXCEPT that they took a break and installed SPL 2.40-olipro. They had the 15 minute pause in aquiring the signal. So, I am wondering if that is a contributing factor. I'm thinking that the "Sprint unofficial 3.16 Release" includes an upgraded boot the spl/bootloader.
If this is a bad plan, or if it is not how you did it successfully and you are willing to share the steps you followed, please let me know.
Thanks again for your help.
EDIT: nexvisions rom pretty closely matches my current config. And what I don't have from that rom I like. The rest of the stuff I have installed should be enabled when I run a sprite backup restore. Thanks for the suggestion
Just did this today-
I'm using NexVision's Hybrid ROM(version based on dcd's latest 2.3.1).
I did the following:
1. Update SPL app
2. Loaded above ROM
3. Loaded latest radio
4. *228 'ed to get programming
5. did IOTA for some reason
6. No outgoing calls. Could not authenticate. Had to call VZW and they got me going in a few minutes. (the MSL for my phone i got from GetSPC.exe didn't work)
So, bottom line- My 6800 is working just fine with NexVisions Hybrid right now.
Anything else you'd like to know?
I was up and running on a DCD 2.3.2 cooked ROM and 3.27 radio with issues acquiring signal. Some have implied that running the "Easy Guide" instructions on PPCGeeks would resolve the delay in acquiring signal issues.
I couldn't get the leaked 3.16 ROM loaded using the 1.06 Bootloader, so I loaded the 2.40 Bootloader and then successfully loaded the leaked 3.16.
This put my phone on Sprint. According to the guide, running DCDs ROM that I cooked using the kitchen would reset the phone to Verizon (by selecting Verizon as my carrier.) This didn't work. Right now my phone is running the DCD ROM, 3.27 radio, and I can't get into the PST to edit the MSID and MDN.
Guess I'm going stock and upgrading again.
Am I the only one or is the fact that this phone is carried by at least 2.5(sorry alltell) major carriers a problem. We get people, admittedly I almost was one, that flash their phones with roms for the wrong carrier and then wonder what's going on. One would hope that you could pick up a cdma phone and use it on a CDMA network but that's just not true. There are tons of documented and undocumented crap holes that deviate from the spec because of the ad-hoc hobbled together system that is the United States cellular system. I would suggest splitting sprint and verizon but that would further fragment an already super fragmented market.
I am not sure the state of your phone or how to go about fixing it but the easy guide does seem to be for sprint users and not for Verizon. There is yet to be an uprgrade sanctioned for us - I hear it's coming, but I heard that with the Samsung i730 - and it took 9 months to get from 'soon' to released.
VX6800 DCD2.3.1 Working great
Ok I am an engineer on the network and perhaps Murphy got me to be over prepared and so I had the least problems. Started stock, flashed 2.40 unlocker, flashed DCD 2.3.1, flashed radio 3.27, booted back up and worked perfectly. I did write down everything, and I do mean everything that could be gotten in the PST ( by the way, the MSL on Verizon units is 000000 and no GetMSL is required) so I did not need that. I called VZW data support and told them that I was about to do a hard reset and had heard that sometimes the A key got messed up, so he gave it to me up front just in case, and because I had it ready is why I suppose I did not need it either. My signal came up perfectly, my PRL and provisioning data did need a *228 option 1 to get it back in, my GPS came right up fast and accurate, could make and receive calls right away, MMS worked perfectly right away. The only problem that I have with the new ROM is that the 'box type' mini-usb to 3.5 mm adapter with the mini-usb pass thru does not work properly anymore, but my stock one and my pigtail adapters do work, so it is somthing in the adapter design. Also SelectRadio 4.02 drops out as if the data connection goes down and back up, but it does not. I look at the PPP data and it is perfect, and when I just put my channels in Resco Pocket Radio all is well.
Well, I'm a long experienced IT guy with a background of working in cellular....so I'm not exactly ignorant on the subject.
madman, I did the exact steps you did, with the exception of writing down every setting in the PST (just the MSID and MDN). Yet my phone takes 15-20 minutes to acquire signal. Was there anything you had to adjust besides the MSID and the MDN?
To complete my story from my last post, I was able to recover back to a VZW stock ROM and try again. Second time around I didn't let the Sprint cutomizations run. That fixed the problem of my phone being "Sprintized". However, it didn't help with my issues acquiring signal (which was the entire reason I went through this exercise.) BLAH.
Having 1 set of instruction for Sprint and Verizon is fine, but what we need is are people from each side working together on the documentation. Right now everything seems to be completed by Sprint users.
Geckotek said:
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To complete my story from my last post, I was able to recover back to a VZW stock ROM and try again. Second time around I didn't let the Sprint cutomizations run. That fixed the problem of my phone being "Sprintized". However, it didn't help with my issues acquiring signal (which was the entire reason I went through this exercise.) BLAH.
Having 1 set of instruction for Sprint and Verizon is fine, but what we need is are people from each side working together on the documentation. Right now everything seems to be completed by Sprint users.
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I'm willing to bet it's the fact that you used a sprint rom. Even though it said you weren't sprintized I bet there are still sprint ghosts in your phone. These things aren't well documented nor are they straight forward. I am sure that there is something in the sprint rom that is causing your problem (it's the only thing that is different from stories of people who have been successful)
ICLKennyG said:
I'm willing to bet it's the fact that you used a sprint rom. Even though it said you weren't sprintized I bet there are still sprint ghosts in your phone. These things aren't well documented nor are they straight forward. I am sure that there is something in the sprint rom that is causing your problem (it's the only thing that is different from stories of people who have been successful)
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Well, what you are saying is basically what I've suspected all along. I think the 3.27 radio is basically a rip from a Sprint ROM...right?
This is why I am trying to get a VZW tech to review ALL of the PST settings with me. She was gonna call back, but stupid me, I think I reset my phone and missed her call. Grrrrrr
Geckotek said:
Well, what you are saying is basically what I've suspected all along. I think the 3.27 radio is basically a rip from a Sprint ROM...right?
This is why I am trying to get a VZW tech to review ALL of the PST settings with me. She was gonna call back, but stupid me, I think I reset my phone and missed her call. Grrrrrr
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What I am saying is the Sprint Rom is for Sprint. The radio is a radio from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to be setup to be one company or another with the correct rom. However what you are doing is taking a rom that is built by another carrier for their network and trying to use it on your network. Use a verizon intended rom (Hint: not sprint) and the 3.27 radio and you should be fine.
One would hope that you could just strip the sprint part out of their roms and run it on the VZW network but we all know these devices are more hodgepodge then strict implementation of standards.
ICLKennyG said:
What I am saying is the Sprint Rom is for Sprint. The radio is a radio from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to be setup to be one company or another with the correct rom. However what you are doing is taking a rom that is built by another carrier for their network and trying to use it on your network. Use a verizon intended rom (Hint: not sprint) and the 3.27 radio and you should be fine.
One would hope that you could just strip the sprint part out of their roms and run it on the VZW network but we all know these devices are more hodgepodge then strict implementation of standards.
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There is no Verizon intended ROM that I'm aware of that supports the 3.27 radio.
spreeway said:
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6. No outgoing calls. Could not authenticate. Had to call VZW and they got me going in a few minutes. (the MSL for my phone i got from GetSPC.exe didn't work)
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getspc.exe is for sprint only
the msl code for verizon is "000000" minus the "'s
I've added a bunch of info to the first post. I haven't had time to do the flash till now. After I pack tomorrow, I should be able to do it. Plus I wanted to have all my ducks in a row for this process. I'm now fairly confident I know most of the failure points in the process and how to recover from them... we'll see.
Geckotek said:
There is no Verizon intended ROM that I'm aware of that supports the 3.27 radio.
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Ummmmm NexVision IS a verizon user and his ROM is most certainly built for verizon above others, sprint and alltel second. DCD also has an option in his kitchen for verizon. as for No2Chem... I havnt used his rom so I couldnt tell you for sure. But I assure you as I am alive and breathing, there are ROMs intended for the Big Red V, I know I use one and Love it. I messed up when I first flashed, but never had to call VZW about it, just reflashed to stock then tried again.
As stated, I used both DCD and NexVision and both activated, called and surfed on the network. If you have any specific questions, I will gladly field them, Specialy since I have insurance on the phone... If it hoses, i will break and replace it.
Launching my first rom flashing...
blksprk said:
Ummmmm NexVision IS a verizon user and his ROM is most certainly built for verizon above others, sprint and alltel second. DCD also has an option in his kitchen for verizon. as for No2Chem... I havnt used his rom so I couldnt tell you for sure. But I assure you as I am alive and breathing, there are ROMs intended for the Big Red V, I know I use one and Love it. I messed up when I first flashed, but never had to call VZW about it, just reflashed to stock then tried again.
As stated, I used both DCD and NexVision and both activated, called and surfed on the network. If you have any specific questions, I will gladly field them, Specialy since I have insurance on the phone... If it hoses, i will break and replace it.
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Ummmmmm, you completely missed the point.
So is there any word when Verizon will release an update similar to what we are able to do with the new ROMs and Radio?
I mean if it's going to be a month away, I may just, if it's going to be 3 months or forever then I guess I'll have to try it.
It seems either it works perfect, or it doesn't, and some people don't need to enter in an akey? Interesting...
I went from a stock XV6800 (Verizon) to the 2.40 unlocker, the 3.27 radio and a ROM built off of DCD's 2.3.2 kitchen. I did not need to record *any* of the phone's programming info. After flashing, *228 successfully set up the phone and I was able to start making/receiving calls.
"3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer."
This seems not to be true, because I'm a Verizon customer and it didn't happen for me. I get both a cell and data signal right away on either reset (soft, anyway; haven't had to try hard yet) or power-on.
I'm a happy camper so far, with the only glitch being one unexplained soft reset one morning while the phone was waking up to execute an alarm. The phone reset instead and the alarm sounded when it came back up. Hasn't happened again since.
rmancl said:
getspc.exe is for sprint only...
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No, I can verify that it works for Telus as well.
I have a Qwest branded Mogul.
i am currently running DCD 3.26 and radio 3.42.50 (THX DCD!!!)
qwest is shutting down and forcing their customers to choose a different provider
i have not had my phone for very long, so of course i would like to find a way to use my mogul so i don't have to purchase a new phone
i am aware that i can load custom rom's with different carrier optimizations,
---> so i (as well as most qwest customers ) am curious if anyone knows if either verizon or Sprint will activate the ESN for my mogul.
any thoughts?
I would call a service rep, and ask them, otherwise its as easy as installing a Sprint Carrie cab by DCD. The last thing to do is figure out if Sprint well activate the ESN to allow access to there network.
Godspeed
I'm pretty sure they would just need to put your ESN on their network, which is the hard part since they'd rather you have one of their Mogul's / XV6800's. Good luck trying to port it. Let us know how it goes. I am interested cuz I have an old Mogul and if I could port that to Verizon and have both phones on that account it would be pretty cool.
Has anyone had any luck doing this? Migrating it from Qwest to Sprint successfully? And if so, what would be the correct steps to migrate it?
Would I need to/could I flash a Sprint ROM on the phone?
I see that there is discussion about SPC or MSPL with these phones? What is this used for?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Brandon
Qwest Mogul on VZW or Sprint
You need to know the code to enter into the MSL to unlock the phone.
The program Get SPL works for most people.
I had to edit the rgeistry to find mine.
Once you have changed the MSL code to 000000,
I use QPST to backup all the important settings just in case I have to adjust data settings.
You need to flash the Olipro bootloader (I use 2.40) then the radio, then you can flash any custom ROM you like.
Then just install a carrier CAB file for your carrier, to the phone.
I find that PPCKitchen has the best program to pick and choose just the programs that you want.
But try a few Pre-cooked ROMs if you like.
There quite a few Chefs here and over at PPCGeeks that put a lot of time and effort into building and uploading custom ROMs for people to try out.
They all monitor the threads to help out if you have any issues.
And remember that you can use a TITAN/Mogul ROM cooked for any carrier,
Just load that CAB file for the carrier that you use.
Also, try to flash via SD card when you can. You never know that cable may fail, or the power outag occures.
Hope this helps,
Above all your esn has to be accepted by whatever provider you want to use. Most of them will not allow the quest esn to be used. So before you do anything all and ask.
Qwest Mogul on VZW or Sprint
Yes that is a very good point.
I have 3 Qwest PPCs that have that problem.
The ESNs are good, but because of policy, I now have 3 ROM slaves.
eBay has plenty of Sprint 6800s, most of the "Usable" ones sell for around $50oo.
If you fee you need to rid yourself ofthat item, PM me pleae.
I could use the parts for a security project I am working on.
Either way, you could allways use it as a test unit to practice on.
quest to whatever.
i dont know about where you all are located, but here in the peoples republic of California if you totaly metro or cricket out your mogul , with working mms and all , you can get 200 to 300 depending on the condition. food for thought.
Hi, this is my first post on the XDA forums and I have some Q's. Hopefully I find some A's. Can someone point me in the right direction or explain this. I bought a used Sprint Mogul and I have Alltel. I want to have this phone work for Alltel. All I have right now is the newest HTC rom for alltel and the Titan Unlocker. Will someone give me a hand on how to make this phone my new phone for Alltel? BTW I dont want to really run any custom roms unless I have to.
Thanks,
Moulds
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
BTC
Well what if I took the current esn of my razr on change my mogul to that? would that work and if so how do I do that.
That is illegal and even discussing it in this forum can get you banned.
While possible, Altel will know it's a data phone and could legally sue you for violating their terms of service.
Again, your best bet is either to change to Sprint, or swap the phone out on ebay for one from Altel.
BTC
Mogul on Alltel
I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
Latest ROM ver 3.52.671.9 (What I am running) @ http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=63&act=all
make sure you have the usb cable, activesync if you are on XP, otherwise Vista has it already.
Basically you need to
1. Get the MSL code from GetSPC inputing your ESN and it outputs the MSL.
2. Put your phone in DIAG mode (##3424# ##3424 Send, or #*#3424). If it is a sprint phone, the first one will work.
3. Run QPST (you will need the MSL you obtained from getSPC
4. You may want to save the phone's configuration if you ever want to roll back to the SPCS config. Anway, Change the MSL to 000000 and write it back to the phone.
5. then run the Hard-SPL-MFG.exe program, paying attention to when it tells you to disconnect and reconnect your phone.
6. Then install your ROM by running the RUU program on your pc.
7. Now, you will need to configure service by going into DIAG mode again (probably need to use ##3424 SEND now) and using QPST change the service information to that for Alltel or whatever carrier you want. I had it easy, I plugged in my Samsung Hue R500 and copied the service information off of that one.
8. If you get all the service information right, you should be able to call Alltel, give them the ESN. If they give you slack, wait a bit and call back until you get someone nice. Persistance is the key. Then you can do *228 for OTA programming.
If you need Alltel config I will post it here, just PM me.
Scott Emick
BillThyCat said:
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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The Altel store here doesn't. I don't have Altel so I have never called their customer service, but since I see this same question asked for every other carrier and they all get the same advice I handed out, I assumed that all Altel stores were the same.
Sorry for "misinforming" someone, however, the fact that it has been programmed for sprint may cause him issues down the road... So again, I still think my advice of getting an Altel branded phone is the smartest option.
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Wow thanks for the help anything else I should be warned of?
why would getting an alltel phone be any different than using a sprint/AT&T etc phone. They are all the same, just locked onto their networks for service. If he had bought an HTC Titan that was not branded to a carrier he would have the same luck as all others. Many people still buy unlocked out of the box phones. Most carriers will also add them to their services. The stores may not, but the phone people will. These companies are in business to make money and have customers and turning someone down because they don't get your free phone ain't gonna happen. Just don't tell them it was another carrier's phone.
First off AT&T is GSM, which means if the phone is unlocked you can just stick and sim card in there and bam, it works.
CDMA is different. I know I have looked at my QPST and EPST info pretty close, and there are many settings in there that are carrier specific, so that if you were to try to use it on a different carrier it wouldn't work very well. Phone most likely will work, but data is a different beast. I see dozens of people on here who flash a sprint rom on their verizon phone and accidently let customization run, once you've done this, rolling back to a verizon rom in some cases doesn't fix the problem, you have to go in and hand edit a lot of settings, the same could apply here, since Sprint apparently is different than most carriers.
I'm glad you've had luck getting other carriers phone's activated, and how many of those were smart phones? I bet most were just plain phones, in which case there isn't any problems.
I'm not gonna get in a flamewar with you, I stated my opinion, you stated yours, I feel yours is wrong, you feel mine is wrong. Lets leave it at that.
As to the OP, feel free to try to get it activated, heck, it might work, but if it doesn't, then again, get the correct carrier branded phone and you will have no problems!
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One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that.
actually I am not flaming, and not stating opinion. I am stating fact. If you buy a stock HTC phone w/o contract, which would be unlocked. You can get it activated on any carrier that supports its network CMA or GSM. Smartphone or regular phone. The point is to not tell them it was from another carrier.
One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that????
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I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
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the link to the 3rd file you listed is broken... is there anywhere else to get that file? i've tried to google it but i cant get the whole filename from the link to do so.
Thanks for any help
Actually it can be done. I done it today with no problem. Just because the epst and qpst settings are carrier specific doesn't mean that they cant be changed. What I will say is that after you have unlocked the phone and finally have your # activated on alltel via esn your sprint mogul will be functional. you have to update the prl so u wont be stuck in roaming and your data package will be disabled because Sprint uses a different server address. In order to change these settings you will use both qpst to set in hard settings and back everything up and then epst to keep the settings within the phone. the reason you wont have data has to deal with the Security and M.IP settings. its a lot to type so im not going to but if im on at any time you can pm me to walk you through it or even better you can reach me on yahoo messenger. its set within my phone as well so I can give you real time help with the settings on the spot. My messenger name is seraphazaziel79 as well.
I bought a Qwest phone sometime this Spring and I was trying to get it activated on Verizon. I flat out told them it was from another carrier, they put that in my customer file and copied down the ESN so when I called back and told them that it was a XV6800 they called me out on it. Basically lie to them from the beginning and you should be good. If they won't activate it you can sell a Sprint phone on ebay. My Qwest phone makes a pretty decent paper weight.
I have a PPC6800 flashed with one of Ryan's Alltel 6.5 ROMS (Great job Ryan!). The phone worked great in my home area after the flash, but I'm currently on vacation and cannot get a EVDO signal in Orlando! I get decent signal for voice in most places, but really just enought to make calls, lots of "can you hear me now" in the conversations. Verizons maps show that they cover this area completely so I went by the Verizon store to see if they could update the phone. The tech guy said that the phone was still really an Alltel phone and there was nothing that he could do. (he was kinda a jerk, didn't appear to even want to help) I use the data connection alot and have become very dependent on it to stay in touch with my office, but with my current 1x connection, email is about all it's good for.
My questions are:
Can I apply the Verizon version of the ROM to the phone without bricking it?
If not, is there something I can do myself to "update" to tap into Verizon's EVDO network?
Thanks for any help.
you can start by updating your prl *228 option 1 or 2 (dont remember)
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you can start by updating your prl *228 option 1 or 2 (dont remember)
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Yeah, I tried that, but since I'm already out of my home area, it doesn't work. All I get is "programming unsuccessful" or something like that.
Alltel's pda support is pretty good. Call in & get one of them on the line. They will try & make you do the *228 thing. Also check your setting for Home Only/Roam and see if that makes a difference at all.
dlundy said:
I have a PPC6800 flashed with one of Ryan's Alltel 6.5 ROMS (Great job Ryan!). The phone worked great in my home area after the flash, but I'm currently on vacation and cannot get a EVDO signal in Orlando! I get decent signal for voice in most places, but really just enought to make calls, lots of "can you hear me now" in the conversations. Verizons maps show that they cover this area completely so I went by the Verizon store to see if they could update the phone. The tech guy said that the phone was still really an Alltel phone and there was nothing that he could do. (he was kinda a jerk, didn't appear to even want to help) I use the data connection alot and have become very dependent on it to stay in touch with my office, but with my current 1x connection, email is about all it's good for.
My questions are:
Can I apply the Verizon version of the ROM to the phone without bricking it?
If not, is there something I can do myself to "update" to tap into Verizon's EVDO network?
Thanks for any help.
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Lol WOW.. If your Carrier is Verizon why the heck would you flash my Alltel ROM?? WTF do you think its an Alltel ROM for?? Its not a stock ROM it is a Custom ROM meant to flash on any TITAN(mogul, ppc6800).. It is fully programmed (besides PST/QPST a user has to program that memory region of the phone themselves) for the Carrier..
What you should have done was take your "Alltel Branded" PPC6800 and flashed the olipro2.40 unlocked bootloader, then flash a Custom Verizon ROM, then flash a gps radio 3.35 and up, then hard reset and pull battery for a couple minutes. Make sure the phone is UNPLUGGED and boot it up. Now access PST and Program it for VERIZON, load your local Verizon PRL, and update the items so phone resets. When it boots back up you want to access DMR (diagnostic mode) and plug it into the computer and Program QPST for VERIZON, make sure everything is set for Verizon you have to do some searching.. Also make sure to do the GPS one tab last and write to phone while still in that TAB, do not leave the GPS one tab until after its completed. Now unplug the phone and open task manager and close DMR, now soft reset the phone. Keep it UNPLUGGED and when it boots up access the internet to set it up for the first time.
RyanMogul6800 said:
Lol WOW.. If your Carrier is Verizon why the heck would you flash my Alltel ROM?? WTF do you think its an Alltel ROM for?? Its not a stock ROM it is a Custom ROM meant to flash on any TITAN(mogul, ppc6800).. It is fully programmed (besides PST/QPST a user has to program that memory region of the phone themselves) for the Carrier..
What you should have done was take your "Alltel Branded" PPC6800 and flashed the olipro2.40 unlocked bootloader, then flash a Custom Verizon ROM, then flash a gps radio 3.35 and up, then hard reset and pull battery for a couple minutes. Make sure the phone is UNPLUGGED and boot it up. Now access PST and Program it for VERIZON, load your local Verizon PRL, and update the items so phone resets. When it boots back up you want to access DMR (diagnostic mode) and plug it into the computer and Program QPST for VERIZON, make sure everything is set for Verizon you have to do some searching.. Also make sure to do the GPS one tab last and write to phone while still in that TAB, do not leave the GPS one tab until after its completed. Now unplug the phone and open task manager and close DMR, now soft reset the phone. Keep it UNPLUGGED and when it boots up access the internet to set it up for the first time.
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Ryan, I normally agree with you 100%, but I don't think that's the case here. I'm pretty sure he's an Alltel customer that is confused because of Verizon's recent purchase of Alltel.
Basically, Verizon is not going to be fully taking Alltel phones onto their network...ever. They are still Alltel phones. BUT there are new PRLs out there which will allow you to completely utilize the entire Verizon (and Sprint, too) tower structure.
So what he should do is still with the Alltel ROM. And because Alltel gives the 6800 their 3xxxx series PRLs and not the higher quality 4xxxx series, he needs to donwload the best PRL and update it manually.
Here's a link to a page where you can download the latest PRL 40050. There are instructions on the page to show you how o install. The one change I've had to do is instead of simply ##775, I had to do ##775#.
http://www.the-answerman.com/sidlist/prl/index.asp
Good luck!
btonetbone said:
Ryan, I normally agree with you 100%, but I don't think that's the case here. I'm pretty sure he's an Alltel customer that is confused because of Verizon's recent purchase of Alltel.
Basically, Verizon is not going to be fully taking Alltel phones onto their network...ever. They are still Alltel phones. BUT there are new PRLs out there which will allow you to completely utilize the entire Verizon (and Sprint, too) tower structure.
So what he should do is still with the Alltel ROM. And because Alltel gives the 6800 their 3xxxx series PRLs and not the higher quality 4xxxx series, he needs to donwload the best PRL and update it manually.
Here's a link to a page where you can download the latest PRL 40050. There are instructions on the page to show you how o install. The one change I've had to do is instead of simply ##775, I had to do ##775#.
http://www.the-answerman.com/sidlist/prl/index.asp
Good luck!
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Thanks for trying to clear things up but its still a little inconclusive. You said he is an Alltel Customer, you also said that Verizon bought Alltel.. Now remember he says he has a "Alltel Branded" TITAN.
If Verizon bought Alltel that means the Carrier Alltel still exists, it wasnt a merger correct?
Ok then, if he has a Alltel TITAN, and he is an Alltel Customer, with my Alltel ROM. Why even mention that VERIZON will not take Alltel phones onto their network??? You said he is an Alltel customer, and he has a Genuine Alltel TITAN, so he would be activating the Genuine Alltel TITAN on Alltel..
I was confused because of all this talk about Verizon maps, verizon store, etc.... I see what you mean about his PRL, so hopefully he updates to the 4xxxx series and his issues vanish. But wow what confusing posts..
Hopefully the Verizon, Alltel purchase doesnt affect my Alltel or Verizon ROMs from working properly. I wouldnt be suprised though..
I think the downloaded PRL should do the trick. I used to work for Alltels data support and they cannot help unless you are on network. If you are roaming on another carriers tower then nothing can be done to manually push a new prl through to the phone. I know from experience that Orlando/Kissimmee area is a tricky area. The issue is that Alltels PRLs are very crappy. There are towers in the area which will not incur you roaming charges, but for whatever reason, the phones will not choose to connect to. I forget the SID of the towers in the area which will get you 3-4 bars of EVDO coverage. What I have done before while I am there is to keep checking your phone to see if it picks up on those towers (it will from time to time). Go and check the current SID number and then set that as your home SID and put the phone in home only mode, which will lock you into those group of towers while you are in that area. Of course, if you leave the area you will want to set your phone back to your normal home SID and take the phone out of home only mode. Hopefully the PRL update via that download link above will help you, but if it doesn't then try this method. I will warn you that if you get the wrong tech on the phone and they try and help you update your phone, then they could make matters worst for you.
so, like i said on post #2 update your prl!!! by any means.
RyanMogul6800 said:
...I was confused because of all this talk about Verizon maps, verizon store, etc.... I see what you mean about his PRL, so hopefully he updates to the 4xxxx series and his issues vanish. But wow what confusing posts..
Hopefully the Verizon, Alltel purchase doesnt affect my Alltel or Verizon ROMs from working properly. I wouldnt be suprised though..
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LOL, if my post was confusing it's because I'm pretty confused. I went to the Verizon store for several reasons.
I am out of my home area and the nearest Alltel Store is 75 miles away (Tampa,FL).
My Home Store is now a Verizon Store.
I recieved a letter telling me that I was now on the Verizon Network.
When I dial a wrong number I get a Verizon recording.
I heard that Verizon bought Alltel
When I got to the Verizon store, they told me
I was still an Alltel customer
Verizon doesn't carry a phone llike mine (PPC6800)
My phone was a pocket pc phone not a smart phone (yes that's what he said)
There was nothing he could do.
Call Alltel tech Support (he was kind enough to give me their number).
The Alltel guy, though courteous and seemingly genuine in his efforts to help, could not. He even mentioned that he had been in Orlando recently and had the same problem. His only recommendation was to take the battery out overnight so everything would clear and maybe when it reconnected it would update the PRLs.
My apologies for not being more clear.
On a positive note, I took btonetbone's advice and updated the PRL,(this is what I'd hoped the Verizon tech could do) and I am currently getting EVDO connection, at least the status indicator says so. I'm not getting a very good signal where I'm at so the speed is not great. 267 DOWN, 314 UP (oddly enough) on a Speakeasy speed test. I'll see how it works tomorrow when I can get a better signal and know more then.
Thanks to all who have responded, I understand things a little better now.
RyanMogul6800 said:
Lol WOW.. If your Carrier is Verizon why the heck would you flash my Alltel ROM?? WTF do you think its an Alltel ROM for?? Its not a stock ROM it is a Custom ROM meant to flash on any TITAN(mogul, ppc6800).. It is fully programmed (besides PST/QPST a user has to program that memory region of the phone themselves) for the Carrier..
What you should have done was take your "Alltel Branded" PPC6800 and flashed the olipro2.40 unlocked bootloader, then flash a Custom Verizon ROM...
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Had the Alltel ROM not worked so well in my home area that's exactly what I would have done. Well.... It's exactly what I would have done after coming here and finding out how to do it.
Thanks for your hard work...
No problem I am glad you got it sorted out, those speeds are better than nothing at all so you are getting somewhere. Also I breezed by your compliments on my work but thanks for the compliments.
Members in general are great here, very knowledgeable and persistent. This is literally the best forum around.. Too bad they dont go the "thanks button" route though that would be magnificent.
Hi, I have my Htc6800 (formely on alltel) and I got everything (voice,internet,mms,gps)working on MetroPcs. Now I got my friend Verizon XV6800 phone to flash to MetroPcs. I programmed everything exactly same as my 6800 but with his settings and number. I can not get any voice service. It has no Signal, I get this weird icon next to the signal tree. See Picture http://img81.imageshack.us/i/noservice.png/ . I have Rom MetroPCs2.1, radio 3.42.50 on both phones, and PRL list 00068. Both running Ryan mogul Version 2.1 Light (WM 6.5) *Default Titanium. I tired to flash back original Verizon rom and I can do it but get same problem. I may add that both phones have cloned ESN's but only one works. His phone has his esn and mine has mine. Same roms,radio and bootloader on both devices. Please tell me what to do to fix this "No Service". Thanks
Sounds like you need a carrier cab. There was a thread that contained all that info already as well. Here is the site
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501754
It also contains the cabs to get the MMS/Internet running as well
anytime you flash a rom non specific to your carrier you will need these files to bring up service. I hope it helps you out some.
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Hi, I have my Htc6800 (formely on alltel) and I got everything (voice,internet,mms,gps)working on MetroPcs. Now I got my friend Verizon XV6800 phone to flash to MetroPcs. I programmed everything exactly same as my 6800 but with his settings and number. I can not get any voice service. It has no Signal, I get this weird icon next to the signal tree. See Picture http://img81.imageshack.us/i/noservice.png/ . I have Rom MetroPCs2.1, radio 3.42.50 on both phones, and PRL list 00068. Both running Ryan mogul Version 2.1 Light (WM 6.5) *Default Titanium. I tired to flash back original Verizon rom and I can do it but get same problem. I may add that both phones have cloned ESN's but only one works. His phone has his esn and mine has mine. Same roms,radio and bootloader on both devices. Please tell me what to do to fix this "No Service". Thanks
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Carefully read through all of the relevant threads Ryan Mogul has posted.
Many metro people have had issues and he seams to walk even the un-helpable through untill you fix the problem.
Also take advantage of the xda google tool (top brown ribbon tab named Search). You will find everything there.
Hi, thanks for replies. I have used prl from within rom i used that was made by ryam mogul and everything works on one phone but not second. I flashed back original verizon rom and I had same problem with NO SERVICE. Is maybe hardware different between these two phones. One was alltel and other (non working) is verizon. Is there anything is cdma workshop that I have not done or did do that was wrong. I super cid it per instructions and changed esn. It there option to disable voice service anywhere ? I can get wifi but no gps and voice and I get that weird icon. http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3048/noservice.png
Update. I got signal when I flashed back to original Verizon Rom with original stock radio in it. It gets and works in EVDO mode. I will try to convert to MetroPcs Roma and see what happens.