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Hi guys.
I've had sarah (my Nokia 6020) since God-knows-when (!), and so I'm not familiar with the modern cell phones and their characteristics.
I really like X10, but its lack of multi-touch is a little annoying, and some friends have told me to buy a phone which supports multi-touch.
I wanna know what exactly I will miss if I buy X10 and ignore its lack of multi-touch? Is it only important in games? How frequently games use multi-touch and is it impossible to play multi-touch games in X10?
Thanks.
Hi - Basically - it's only certain games which really need to use multitouch.. ones where you have to do 2 things at once.. there are some options to overcome this in certain cases, such as using a Wii Remote paired with your phone.. Personally I am not bothered at all about the lack of multitouch, because there are lots of games you can get which don't need MT... There are many good reasons to get one which, for me at least far outway the lack of MT.
At first I was hesitant to buy the X10 cuz it didn't support MT as well. It's a big step for me cuz I've never used a smart phone before but I do know lots about it lol. To be honest, I really don't think multi touch is an important feature, unless you're really into games that needs it. I've had the X10 for almost a month now and I absolutely love it there are great games in the App store that doesn't need multi touch like Radiant, Abduction, Totemo, etc etc. You should definitely get Rachael, you won't be disappointed
Not really, but there is talk about that in 2.1, but we don't talk about that here... MT is a taboo topic
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Yeah users become annoyed
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lack of mt is quite bad for gaming. example game like pspxdroid for playing pspx game and other action game. the point is a problem is a problem if u think is a problem. if you really want a phone with mt , end of the day it just going to come and hunt you if u get a x10 if u dun mind wait for 2.1 and see is there mt which some said there is, if not you can get desire or galaxy s which both are great phone.
Do you use your phone to call people...?
I do, and I don't need multi-touch for that.
If you're coming from an old dumb-phone, either you don't need multi-touch, or you're expecting your new phone to change your life in ways you never thought possible.
Trust me, the x10 will not change your life in ways you never thought possible, and no, you don't need multi-touch...
Thank you everyone, your opinion is really helpful.
Considering the fact that I'm a gamer, I think MT will be needed for me someday, but I understand I shouldn't overvalue it.
Why is it making a decision about a cell phone to buy is so hard? It's a lot easier with PCs, laptops, wives, Digicams, MP3 Players, ...
I studied a lot about X10 and MT and I'm almost certain that there will be no MT for X10 (SE made it clear 5-6 days after the rumor about MT in 2.1 started).
Ah, and every phone has its pros and cons and it makes no sense to consider them as "taboo".
mahi58 said:
Thank you everyone, your opinion is really helpful.
Considering the fact that I'm a gamer, I think MT will be needed for me someday, but I understand I shouldn't overvalue it.
Why is it making a decision about a cell phone to buy is so hard? It's a lot easier with PCs, laptops, wives, Digicams, MP3 Players, ...
I studied a lot about X10 and MT and I'm almost certain that there will be no MT for X10 (SE made it clear 5-6 days after the rumor about MT in 2.1 started).
Ah, and every phone has its pros and cons and it makes no sense to consider them as "taboo".
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there have also been reports of the touch panel manufacturers saying that they can enable MT on their ST pad with trickery too.
so i wouldnt believe anything anyone says for now. and just wait.
but if you are a 'gamer' then buy a psp or something.. its a mobile phone not a console/gaming pc
The point is that multitouch for as i know is used in web browsers and in games.Someone correct me if i am wrong.So if you would like to play the you should buy a PSP or Nintendo or whatever portable console, for more than one reason. My PSP's battery for example lasts up to 5 hours of intense gaming, and you still have the phone for calling, internet and so on.The control is better on the handheld console with or without multitouch.
But... since almost all smartphones have multitouch it whould be nice to have this feature even if i would not use it often.
So the bottom line is that i have a PSP for gaming so i really do not need the multitouch feature.
I'm playing Diablo 1 on psx4droid and haven't noticed any problems so far (except laggy video and sound stuttering which seems to be common for most devices). Good native android games are yet to come. If you're looking to play some decent games now, then go for PSP.
And by the way, HTC also stated there will be no mt for G1 so we shall see...
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there have also been reports of the touch panel manufacturers saying that they can enable MT on their ST pad with trickery too.
so i wouldnt believe anything anyone says for now. and just wait.
but if you are a 'gamer' then buy a psp or something.. its a mobile phone not a console/gaming pc
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well but mobile's game can be as fun too. looking a iphone they got lots got great and simple game. help to kill times when u travel to work or school.
hi
any confirm on x10 clearpad?which model is used on it?1000,2000 or 3000
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any confirm on x10 clearpad?which model is used on it?1000,2000 or 3000
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I guess none of the above. Why would they bother with adding custom driver if the device was Synaptics compatibile?
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I guess none of the above. Why would they bother with adding custom driver if the device was Synaptics compatibile?
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is there any way to find it?online supports agents dont know about this.
because im not sure x10 has a hardware problem!!they used clearpad 2000 for mini!!
what about x10?
no big ee for me, fat fingers lol
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Why is it making a decision about a cell phone to buy is so hard? It's a lot easier with PCs, laptops, wives, Digicams, MP3 Players, ....
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Does your wife know she's third in your list, eh? Lmfao!
The lack of hardware support for MT if true is a puzzling omission on the part of SE. The IPhone has had MT I think since the beginning & to leave out the feature from a flagship product is a fumble on SE's part IMO.
The phone over all is a great device even without MT but if gaming is a priority for you I would take a pass on the X10, & look for a device that supports MT not one that may support it.
Guys, please...
Of course I have a PSP!
But, 2 things make me care about my phone's gaming potential too:
1. I don't always carry my PSP around, and even if I have it, I can'y play with it everywhere (I am 30 years old )!
2. PSP is a very old device and its games are mostly the same with phone games, without touch controls. I don't think PSP is that much better than a phone for gaming (a lot of my friends have the same opinion).
I generally don't like the idea that it's a phone ==> if you need something else from your phone go buy something else...
I can't carry around a lot of gadgets...
Does your wife know she's third in your list, eh? Lmfao!
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You're gonna envy me about this: I don't have a wife! LMFAO too.
i fully agree with you i also dont carry psp with me every time.
Hi, i know that for some of you buying an X10 right now is kind of pointless because there are a lot of available new phones but at the moment it's the only decent android device (1Ghz CPU) my carrier (Movistar Uruguay (movistar.com.uy)) is offering and is actually the best phone any carrier here is bringing. Buying an Unlocked one is out of question because of the insanely high prices (Galaxy S U$S ~1500) and no one i know is going to the US any time soon. So i can get the X10 in Movistar here at the same price of the X10 unlocked in the US (still pretty expensive).
Enough of background, i had the chance to try the Desire (U$S 1200! (tic.com.uy/HTC/)) and i found it to be snappier and more responsive than the X10. I mean, the Desire experience was what i expected but the X10 let me somewhat disappointed. Specially when sliding through the home screens and list scrolling. I can compare the Desire with the iPhone 3GS but the X10 seems it's below that. Even in Youtube videos.
Has anyone experienced that too? I know it was running Donut but nonetheless it felt like my firend's nokia 5230 or even the Samsung Star (which i think is also s5230). Heck, even the X8 running donut felt snappier. Maybe I'll go give it another try but this is kind of the only thing stopping me now with pinch n zoom around the corner and custom Froyo eventually available.
Sorry if i made it too long but i want to get my bang from my bucks. Hopefully while i make up my mind some other devices are going to be available, but now all the attention is in the iPhone 4 and RIM over here. Not so much on android.
Thanks for reading.
I liked X10 work pretty well but I have to say 384mb of ram may not be enough for play
I really bad thing is flash does not work
go for galaxy S i9000
Thanks for the quick reply but did you read what i said? 1500 US dollars for the galaxy. I mean, I tried it. it's great, gorgeous, but to my pocket it's not U$S 1000 better.
What i want to know is about the lag when panning and scrolling, because is practically the same hardware as the desire but the response in the desire is perfect.
Which games aren't suited for 384mb? is there a lot of difference? I don't plan to do hardcore gaming either. just some angry birds or something like that. I just want to get a good android experience like syncing, browsing, video, music, some drawing,etc.
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Thanks for the quick reply but did you read what i said? 1500 US dollars for the galaxy. I mean, I tried it. it's great, gorgeous, but to my pocket it's not U$S 1000 better.
What i want to know is about the lag when panning and scrolling, because is practically the same hardware as the desire but the response in the desire is perfect.
Which games aren't suited for 384mb? is there a lot of difference? I don't plan to do hardcore gaming either. just some angry birds or something like that. I just want to get a good android experience like syncing, browsing, video, music, some drawing,etc.
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If you wanna a solid long lasting device - buy X10. If you wanna play around with tech and change gadgets as fast as they appear at the market and go fashionable - don't buy X10. Simple.
SE is a kind of Rolls Royce here.
I want a solid lasting device but that kind of things are ceasing to exist, that's why i'm aiming to a high end right now which will be considered mid range in a year or too.
I like SE, my first phone was a K310 and only changed it when i got my G705(now flashed to W715).
But again, what i really want to know is if anyone here was able to use the X10 and compared it to a similar specs phone (Desire, N1, SGS, Milestone) and found the X10 considerably slower/laggier than the others, if it's something which was fixed in 2.1 or not at all.
I repeat: I want to get it, but want to be sure, but don't want to be disappointed.
...If you wanna play around with tech and change gadgets as fast as they appear at the market and go fashionable...
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As i said in the first post, i'm bound to what my carrier offers and right now the only high-end android it's the xperia. The smartphone market here it's very small at the moment, it's growing and the carriers are noticing it. But it's very much about iPhone, RIM and some Nokias (n95, 5230).
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[Q] Is X10 laggier than similars? (Planing to buy)
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Try to read this post ^_^
I don't have and haven't tried other phone you mention but my X10i is very responsive and can accommodate all my need. I play Angry birds, and even Pocket Legend. ^^
If you wait until after christmas, I can buy a new x10 or captivate/i9000m for you and ship it to you for under $600 (unlocked). Even with duties and whatnot, you should still come out paying a lot less!
I say AFTER Christmas because I don't feel like lining up at the post office
The I9000m is the model with a front facing camera (2cams) and FM radio built-in (the captivate doesn't have either of those), but the captivate is the better option for you. It is a bit more sturdy, isn't known to have a large failure rate for internal memory like the i9000m, and there are ROMs coming out the whazzuu for it Also this phone is silky smooth when cycling through backgrounds, meanwhile the x10 is limited to 32fps until somebody does something about it.
The X10 is the better option if you want an even more solid device, MUCH BETTER GPS (much much better), a notification LED, and camera LED and an overall better camera.
People did some tests in which showed the galaxy S camera is better in many types of light but if you fiddle with the manual settings, the X10 camera is considerably better!
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Try to read this post ^_^
I don't have and haven't tried other phone you mention but my X10i is very responsive and can accommodate all my need. I play Angry birds, and even Pocket Legend. ^^
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Thank you, can't wait to give it another try tomorrow at the store and with a lot of hope it performs right.
Have you seen any performance improvement since 1.6 or by removing SE apps?
I know i'm being too nitpicky but i can't stand even a half second lag when scrolling and swyping. I watched all the videos in yt and gsmarena and in 1.6 they always touch, stop and then slowly move the fingers like they have to wait for the phone to keep up, and even then the thing they're moving stays behind the finger... in 2.1 gets better but it's still not like desire.
That said i'd probably get it next week if nothing else is offered in the next few days.
Thank you again to all.
dsurka said:
Thank you, can't wait to give it another try tomorrow at the store and with a lot of hope it performs right.
Have you seen any performance improvement since 1.6 or by removing SE apps?
I know i'm being too nitpicky but i can't stand even a half second lag when scrolling and swyping. I watched all the videos in yt and gsmarena and in 1.6 they always touch, stop and then slowly move the fingers like they have to wait for the phone to keep up, and even then the thing they're moving stays behind the finger... in 2.1 gets better but it's still not like desire.
That said i'd probably get it next week if nothing else is offered in the next few days.
Thank you again to all.
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Of course there are performance improvement ( except Blurry in Call Pics T__T ). And improve even more if you applied optimizer like Jit for example. You could find the FAQ from my signature. ^^
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I want a solid lasting device but that kind of things are ceasing to exist,
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This is why I stick to SE. They keep this principle in their flagships. Not in budget models.
that's why i'm aiming to a high end right now which will be considered mid range in a year or too.
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I told you - it is a kind of Rolls Royce. Is 1950's Rolls Royce mid range model now? Ha! It costs more, than high end Toyota or Lexus. And actually runs better.
I like SE, my first phone was a K310 and only changed it when i got my G705(now flashed to W715).
But again, what i really want to know is if anyone here was able to use the X10 and compared it to a similar specs phone (Desire, N1, SGS, Milestone) and found the X10 considerably slower/laggier than the others, if it's something which was fixed in 2.1 or not at all.
I repeat: I want to get it, but want to be sure, but don't want to be disappointed.
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Even Swiss bank doesn't give any guarantees. Forget it. Take what you like more. And don't stick to specs - they says nothing. I used to post it in another thread, but it fits here too:
"I have maybe a little politically incorrect point of view on the cell phone (and other technical stuff) design. It is about the culture. Not about "don't littering", but about engineering. Ericsson (and Sony Ericsson) has pretty long history that gave them experience. HTC, Samsung, etc are relatively young and most of their problems are rooted there. Look - overall satisfaction for X10 without the last technology bells and whistles like OLED or multitouch is higher, than hi-tech-packed rival's devices. Why? Because according to the experience, they realize, that it is impossible to be perfect and it is better to concentrate to ergonomics issues. The device should be easy-to-use, foolproof and hard-to-break. That can be understood through the long experience of analyzing how it works through the life of the device. Typical life of Samsung is around a year. My friend changes around 5 or 6 phones (3 or 4 of them were Samsungs), when I used the same SE k790a. And it works fine for now. Another conclusion is to buy a flagship. Budget devices of any manufacturer always have issues. I know, all those galaxies are claimed to be top-models, flagships, bla-bla-bla. But I bet, some months of using reminds you my note about engineering experience."
As i said in the first post, i'm bound to what my carrier offers and right now the only high-end android it's the xperia. The smartphone market here it's very small at the moment, it's growing and the carriers are noticing it. But it's very much about iPhone, RIM and some Nokias (n95, 5230).
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It is globalization here, dude. You can buy anything you want at ebay, for example. And price won't be $1200 or something like this. If you want something you like, you should pay for that. My carrier is T-Mobile US and over years it has never had any phones I'd like to have, particularly no one SE flagship. So I bought them somewhere else. You are lucky - your carrier has X10, so take it. iPhone, as any Apple's creation, is traditionally overpriced and underdeveloped. RIM is too corporate-conservative, but has pretty good niche there. Nokia is done technologically until they wake up and forget their stoneaged Symbian, but they are budget-market monsters, you don't want them. And you forgot Motorola. From time to time they launch amazingly good devices.
Che Kirila said:
It is globalization here, dude. You can buy anything you want at ebay, for example. And price won't be $1200 or something like this. If you want something you like, you should pay for that.
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I'm talking about the price I can get it unlocked here, in Uruguay, where phones, pcs, cameras and tvs cost 2x the MSRP in the US, not the ebay or amazon price. It's very different the way in wich prices drop, in the US the prices stay at the MSRP for maybe 2 months and then they get great cuts. Here, if today the GalaxyS costs $1200 then one year from now it may keep at 1000. Oh, i love customs taxes!
Good thing is that if i buy it now i can sell it in a year for about the same price i'm getting it today.
*sigh!* Enough of third world depressing stories.
Che Kirila said:
You are lucky - your carrier has X10, so take it. iPhone, as any Apple's creation, is traditionally overpriced and underdeveloped. RIM is too corporate-conservative, but has pretty good niche there. Nokia is done technologically until they wake up and forget their stoneaged Symbian, but they are budget-market monsters, you don't want them. And you forgot Motorola. From time to time they launch amazingly good devices.
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Agree 100%. I'll probably get the X10.
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dsurka said:
I'm talking about the price I can get it unlocked here, in Uruguay, where phones, pcs, cameras and tvs cost 2x the MSRP in the US, not the ebay or amazon price. It's very different the way in wich prices drop, in the US the prices stay at the MSRP for maybe 2 months and then they get great cuts. Here, if today the GalaxyS costs $1200 then one year from now it may keep at 1000. Oh, i love customs taxes!
Good thing is that if i buy it now i can sell it in a year for about the same price i'm getting it today.
*sigh!* Enough of third world depressing stories.
Agree 100%. I'll probably get the X10.
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Oops, I forgot about miracles of third, fourth and other worlds... It is so easy to accustom to good things and forget other realities... I know what you mean - my friends from Russia always ask me to buy something for them if they plan to go to the US. They are able to avoid taxes, when bring things with them. Post service in Russia is a complete disaster. If death could be delivered by mail, people would never die in Russia - it would be delivered after world's end or just stolen.
And bribes are always lower, than taxes. I bet you know that.
A great cosmic joke:
Went to my local Movistar decided to give the X10 another try.
Me: Hello, I'm interested in renewing my contract and i would like to see the X10 please. (in spanish and less formal of course)
Movistar Employee: no can do sir there's no stock until Jan 1st.
Me: oh cr%#p!
About the Post Service
Actually the post service here it's not bad at all, I receive books and blurays from amazon in about a week. But books, magazines,cds, dvds and blurays have no tax but everything else over $100 has $150 of tax + ~50% of the cost. So for buying something at $101 in the US I have to pay roughly $300. It's great!
I usually get my electronics in the US when someone close travels but no one is going to for a while.
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We're going off-topic here. plain and simple:
1- Is the X10 touchscreen as laggy as in YT videos or is there a way to fix it?(custom ROMs with Jit seen on YT are also affected)
2- Is it only on the home and unlock screen or also applications suffer from this? Someone said that fast games were unbearable because of the slow response.
3- Is it normal that when typing fast the device skips some tappings?
Pleeeease, I really like the X10 but i'll be stuck with it for 1-2 years and $500 will be stripped from my pocket. I know the overall experience is great but I need to have instant feedbak of what i'm doing. I'd hate to treat a supposed to be high end phone with capacitive screen like a low end one with resistive screen: press, then sloooowly move the finger to where you want, then when the object is where you want, (sure?) then release. Sense UI can do it, even in lower specs phones and even the other SE X8 and X10 mini do better.
Alright, flame me if i'm being an a$$ but i reaaally want to get an android phone and start playing with custom ROMs and be a contributing part to the community. I'll do it but someone pleeease honestly answer this questions first. The faster you answer, the faster i'll decide.
Thank you all
dsurka said:
A great cosmic joke:
Went to my local Movistar decided to give the X10 another try.
Me: Hello, I'm interested in renewing my contract and i would like to see the X10 please. (in spanish and less formal of course)
Movistar Employee: no can do sir there's no stock until Jan 1st.
Me: oh cr%#p!
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It reminds me old good Soviet time of total deficit: If you see something good, grab it first, then think if you need it.
Try Movistar's office somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I mean in low income areas - they still can have some expensive gadgets at shelves. Come on, I remember those tricks, but you use them in everyday life, like a gift for the salesman or just palms oiling.
About the Post Service
Actually the post service here it's not bad at all, I receive books and blurays from amazon in about a week. But books, magazines,cds, dvds and blurays have no tax but everything else over $100 has $150 of tax + ~50% of the cost. So for buying something at $101 in the US I have to pay roughly $300. It's great!
I usually get my electronics in the US when someone close travels but no one is going to for a while.
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I have a good news for you - buy your lovely X10 in parts that cheaper, than $100 and assemble them home. You'll proudly can have a sticker on it - "Hand made". It is a little complicated and risky, but you can ask your seller to claim that this device is out of order, for parts and cost less, than $100. And, of course, with two separate transactions.
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We're going off-topic here. plain and simple:
1- Is the X10 touchscreen as laggy as in YT videos or is there a way to fix it?(custom ROMs with Jit seen on YT are also affected)
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Never experienced this, but once the touchscreen overreacted at any touch and made some crazy things. I turned the phone off and after reboot it never happen again. Some lags can be in browser, but I think, it is not because of touchscreen, but partially downloaded pages. Same problem can be in YT videos since they are real time streams.
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Have no idea, not a gamer.
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I mentioned already overreaction - just before it went completely crazy, there was double and tripple typing errors. I tapped once, but it produced two or three taps - letters or backspaces. It was once and it doesn't look like regular specifically X10 problem. Out of extreems - maybe I type slow at the phone, but it works fine for me.
I tried my friend's LG enV Touch VX11000 - I hate it - requires hard press and pretty laggy. I had iPhone - it works almost the same for me as X10 - fast reaction of touchscreen and interface both.
Pleeeease, I really like the X10 but i'll be stuck with it for 1-2 years and $500 will be stripped from my pocket. I know the overall experience is great but I need to have instant feedbak of what i'm doing. I'd hate to treat a supposed to be high end phone with capacitive screen like a low end one with resistive screen: press, then sloooowly move the finger to where you want, then when the object is where you want, (sure?) then release. Sense UI can do it, even in lower specs phones and even the other SE X8 and X10 mini do better.
Alright, flame me if i'm being an a$$ but i reaaally want to get an android phone and start playing with custom ROMs and be a contributing part to the community. I'll do it but someone pleeease honestly answer this questions first. The faster you answer, the faster i'll decide.
Thank you all
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As you mention, every member of Xperia family works different, so I assume, that those differences are from the actual set of running programs and services. If you are going to play with custom ROMs, you always can modify your phone for faster work or for fancier view. I think, the X10 is the best hardware guinea pig for those purposes especially after the bootloader cracking.
dsurka said:
1- Is the X10 touchscreen as laggy as in YT videos or is there a way to fix it?(custom ROMs with Jit seen on YT are also affected)
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In my daily use I don't feel laggy. It's fast in my experience.
2- Is it only on the home and unlock screen or also applications suffer from this? Someone said that fast games were unbearable because of the slow response.
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Can you mention fast game here? I play pocket legend, angry birds.
3- Is it normal that when typing fast the device skips some tappings?
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Yes I experience it sometime when I haven't release my first finger but already press another key on the keyboard. But I think it will resolve when MT driver come to Rachael. ^_^
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There's no lag for me at all. But I use Startup Auditor and Advance Task killer when I first boot or reboot my X10. It's too fast that sometimes when I am slow to type, it will type two of the same letter before i can lift my finger on the keys...
My X10 doesn't lagg, it's fast. With and without JIT.
But with the snow live wallaper it laggs sometime on the homescreen, maybe because of Launcher Pro Plus...
But owners of the Desire posted the same I think.
x10 or iphone 4? i want to sell my x10
dacihappymaker said:
x10 or iphone 4? i want to sell my x10
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if you wanna get trapped into Apple's wonderful world then ok other than that
"LOL" thats all i have to say about the trade
the iphone 4 screen is much better
the X10 has a better design and is more comfortable, also the apps on android are by 65% free vs 30% free on Apple app store
You need to know that apple pay much attention to little details in their phones, specially on the hardware side: things like high FPS on screen, trully multi touch and high quality image view are things that lacks the X10.
One major drawback, specially for you who are an android user will be the back button, iOS lacks back function, you have to return to the home screen and do everything again in your app to get to the point you wanted to return, very annoying.
On the android side, you can get things like Flash Player 10.1, cloud messaging and Wifi tether in infrastructure modde something that will be very welcome the day you want truly mobile wifi access on a tablet for example.
Also, very important: USB Storage on android is very welcome! you can't access the iPhone memory without some hacking, and not everyone has an iphone hacking kit installed on their computer.
ellokomen said:
the iphone 4 screen is much better
the X10 has a better design and is more comfortable, also the apps on android are by 65% free vs 30% free on Apple app store
You need to know that apple pay much attention to little details in their phones, specially on the hardware side: things like high FPS on screen, trully multi touch and high quality image view are things that lacks the X10.
One major drawback, specially for you who are an android user will be the back button, iOS lacks back function, you have to return to the home screen and do everything again in your app to get to the point you wanted to return, very annoying.
On the android side, you can get things like Flash Player 10.1, cloud messaging and Wifi tether in infrastructure modde something that will be very welcome the day you want truly mobile wifi access on a tablet for example.
Also, very important: USB Storage on android is very welcome! you can't access the iPhone memory without some hacking, and not everyone has a iphone hacking kit installed on their computer.
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good post! all those reasons and several more are why i chose android over iFone.
to the OP, why choose between 1 particular android handset and a totally different device? why not choose another android device if you are not happy with x10 (i am but not everyone is). There are several handsets that are higherspec available that still have all the benefits of android
my 2 cents
dacihappymaker said:
x10 or iphone 4? i want to sell my x10
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What's an iPhone? Is it that over-priced, over-hyped and under-performing piece of metal from the chewed fruit company?
I have both but I liked x10i.
Had given iphone to my wife.
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Yes!!! for for girls iphone is the best........
batman_112 said:
What's an iPhone? Is it that over-priced, over-hyped and under-performing piece of metal from the chewed fruit company?
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... with a new type of antenna "Don't touch me!!!" Or secret "End of call button"?
tinny9 said:
I have both but I liked x10i.
Had given iphone to my wife.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
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Could you make a X10 vs iPhone 4 video and post it on youtube?
I'd like to see how the X10 battles the iPhone 4.
From having and x10 and a touch hd, i couldn't use the small screen with thumbnail apps. There is.no way to get info fast ie widgets or notification bar. The multitasking is gimped and the freedom is constructed. However, its a gorgeous piece of kit and super fast, with the touch screen being a show stopper. Its all about functionality versus an app for everthing really
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Flo95 said:
Could you make a X10 vs iPhone 4 video and post it on youtube?
I'd like to see how the X10 battles the iPhone 4.
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Video? Are you kidding? Camera's photos from both phones would be more than enough! Not enough? What about multitasking?
Yes, I had iPhone 3G for around a year and after that have never ever thought about iPhone 4. Battle is over.
Hehe, did a little "face off" the other day with my xperia vs iphone in the apple store the other day. Iphone screen is brighter when both set to full and whizzing around homescreen is buttery smooth on iphone but the browser really kicks butt on the xperia. On the apple store wifi, the xperia was consistently quicker at loading apples own web pages by a couple of seconds and scrolling across the high res images on their site was alot smoother on xperia. Xperia is nicer in the hand and the screen seems alot bigger as the phones are very close to the same size. I won't even go into signal strength, on the same network the signal dropped from full to one bar when picking up the iphone :-( I turned off the wifi and it failed to fully load yahoo, whereas the xperia loaded the site through 3g as quickly as the iphone on wifi. I wasn't trying to do the death grip, just what was comfortable :'( but I guess it wouldn't be too much of a problem with the bumper case. Iphone is nice and navigating the interface is a very pleasurable experience, less frustrating than xperia but it is not an upgrade for an xperia owner. I would feel I was taking a few steps back by "upgrading" to an iphone. I really do think the xperia is a great device!
Tom
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In my opinion the iphone is a good phone... But, its boring. If u are not interested in changing anything and ur happy with the easy to use ui, then iphone will be fine. But if your like me and u like to tinker and change, then iphone will frustrate u. I try using my girlfriends iphone and I hate it.
On a side note it kind of annoys me when people constantly refer to their phones as iphone... Eg, call me on my iphone... Lol not a big deal, but its not like we go around saying call me on my x10
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kylec said:
In my opinion the iphone is a good phone... But, its boring. If u are not interested in changing anything and ur happy with the easy to use ui, then iphone will be fine.
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The iPhone app store is the best right now, you can find apps and a lot of games, I have been playing with my brother's new iPod touch and the app store is overwhelming other mobile stores, much richer apps and games.
I think for you to post this topic, you should probably go for the iphone 4.
Even if you decided to keep your x10, you would still dream about the iphone everyday and diss your x10. ( we have enough people whining over the x10 already )
So its simply better to just get the iphone.
I just find it sad that all the best games like ID's RAGE and N.O.V.A 2 are both i-phone only titles..
i personally hate my x10. its a loverly looking device, very sexy on par with the iphone 4 for looks but thats where it ends. my iphone 4 out performs my x10 in every way, speed, app design, clarity and ofcourse more and better apps. it is a reall shame SE have screwed up so badly with the x10, if it wasnt for their uselessness it would be a very decent phone. but as it stands right now its just another android phone, infact its not just another because unlike most android phones we are very limited on what we can do on it thanks to an uncracked bootloader.
my list gos: (of what ive owned)
iphone 4
dell streak
G1
x10
as soon as SE pull their finger out and support their devices better i will never buy another SE phone again. total let down
The way I see it:
iPhone: It's for the general user that doesn't know how his phone works and doesn't care to know. Someone that just wants something to do what it's meant to do and loose the ability to tailor it to his specific needs.
Android phone: Needs a more careful user but you get: a cheaper phone capable or even better on a lot of functions. Ability to run apps in background, adding memory by replacing the card (iphone haves internal fixed memory), ability to switch battery (essential to me while travelling).
I would rather have an android phone then the iphone. It could be a deferent android, such as the galaxy S, but for now the X10 haves everything I need.
please
I really wish the multi-touch.
many developers listen to me.
althogh i don't well grammer,but you will understand my opinion.
love x10mini,love x10mini developrers.
Thank you~~!
In short: Never
In long: Xperia X10 mini digitizer supports ONLY 1 finger, it means only one finger touch will be registred correctly. You have to get used to with faked dual touch.
Also, you are under from subforum and please...use a damn search.
If multitouch means 2 fingers to you, then check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009008&highlight=dual+touch
But if you want 3 fingers or more, it's currently not available
OH, and tell me, WHY DO YOU NEED MORE THAN 2 FINGERS???
You can pinch and zoom, play emulators, etc.
Unless you're playing pocket legends hardcore and really wanna damage your phone
I tried a few different roms, and the multitouch is completely broken in all of them.
Now, I was wondering, is the multitouch on the X10 Mini broken by default or it should work?
While single touch works perfectly on my device, multitouch is broken. I tried the multitouch tester program from Market and while the first touch point is always pretty much right, the second one jumps all over the place. Moving both fingers at once doesn't work and results in both points jumping all over the screen. Games that require multitouch (like Slice It) are unplayable. Pinch to Zoom (that imo is way inferior to the old way of zooming from the stock rom) barely works at all, and it completely unprecise.
Is it my screen (or digitizer, whatever it's called) borked or it's the multitouch on this device impossible to have working right?
Multitouch is NEVER EVE EVER EVER possible on the X10 Mini as it is since the digitizer doesn't support it. it only supports single touch and some kind of pinch zoom, but that's it. No way in hell The X10 Mini can support Multiouch unless you switch hardware.
HOWEVER!! The X10 Mini PRO supports dualtouch at max, thanks to its Cypress Truetouch 3 digitizer.
Then why do they keep adding that fake dualtouch support in MiniCM roms for the X10 mini? It doesn't even work. I'm not an expert on programming or whatever, but I feel like with all the efforts they probably put into creating the "fake dualtouch" for the X10 Mini they could have ported the Zoom function of the stock picture viewer to other apps that used zoom instead of that absurd pinch to zoom.
Of course I don't want to insult the developers, but I feel like their efforts were wasted as it's pretty much unusable.
2 kinds of dt moduals bet you have outher 1 look into it
MarkMRL said:
I tried a few different roms, and the multitouch is completely broken in all of them.
Now, I was wondering, is the multitouch on the X10 Mini broken by default or it should work?
While single touch works perfectly on my device, multitouch is broken. I tried the multitouch tester program from Market and while the first touch point is always pretty much right, the second one jumps all over the place. Moving both fingers at once doesn't work and results in both points jumping all over the screen. Games that require multitouch (like Slice It) are unplayable. Pinch to Zoom (that imo is way inferior to the old way of zooming from the stock rom) barely works at all, and it completely unprecise.
Is it my screen (or digitizer, whatever it's called) borked or it's the multitouch on this device impossible to have working right?
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It works fine on certain apps, for example, on Opera, it works fine for me, but on Google Maps, it is impossible to use it.