I just got a mini pro and i like it, want to keep it but i read that the mp won't be able to run 2.2 due to hw limitations. Is this true? I can't get a clear answer and se are not being very forthcoming.
My concern is that the mp will become outdated in a year (i'll be on a contract) unless i root it but it's under warranty so that's not really a consideration at the moment.
I have an option to return the phone and exchange for an htc wildfire but it's dependant on whether the mini pro can run versions of android beyond 2.1 and how future proof it will be, even on 2.1.
Cheers.
Currently noone can update the x10's. While everybody is expecting 2.1 to arrive any second now, many think it'll be very unlikely that we will see any major update beyond 2.1.
That said, in the future it might be possible to update beyond 2.1 through root, flash etc., but this will forfeit yoiur warranty.
I don't know much about the Wildfire, but as it is from HTC I think it will see more future updates.
On the other hand, the X10 mini pro will remain a good phone, so I personally don't see the big nessecity yet in future updates. Also should we get major future updates, the phone should be able to run 2.2 without problems. Android 3.0 I don't know.
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Ok thanks. I was lead to believe that the mini pro wasn't capable of running anything beyond 2.1. It's good to finally get a sensible answer!
The battery life on the wildfire is supposed to terrible so i'd rather keep my mp and anyway i don't fancy having to set another phone up, i've just got it set up how i want. My other option is a W995 but then i'd miss out on Android...
Is it really likely though that SE won't update their xperia phones beyond 2.1, even the X10?
TJ221 said:
I just got a mini pro and i like it, want to keep it but i read that the mp won't be able to run 2.2 due to hw limitations. Is this true? I can't get a clear answer and se are not being very forthcoming.
My concern is that the mp will become outdated in a year (i'll be on a contract) unless i root it but it's under warranty so that's not really a consideration at the moment.
I have an option to return the phone and exchange for an htc wildfire but it's dependant on whether the mini pro can run versions of android beyond 2.1 and how future proof it will be, even on 2.1.
Cheers.
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Both mini and mini pro have better h/w than htc wildfire. Wild fire sports a 528 MHz 7225/7200a cpu, while mini/pro has 600 MHz 7227 cpu.
So, if wildfire can run froyo, so can mini/pro.
Whether we will see a future update from se for 2.2, is another question..
Knowing SE, I doubt that they are ever gonna make 2.2 available on x10. I could be wrong in my assesment though..
But we can always count on our own xda developers to crack the bootloader and make custom roms for it.
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li_boud said:
Both mini and mini pro have better h/w than htc wildfire. Wild fire sports a 528 MHz 7225/7200a cpu, while mini/pro has 600 MHz 7227 cpu.
So, if wildfire can run froyo, so can mini/pro.
Whether we will see a future update from se for 2.2, is another question..
Knowing SE, I doubt that they are ever gonna make 2.2 available on x10. I could be wrong in my assesment though..
But we can always count on our own xda developers to crack the bootloader and make custom roms for it.
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I thought it was the ram that determined the phones ability to run android. I read that a phone with less 128mb can't run 2.2, well not very well. That's what i was trying to find out from SE but couldn't get an answer.
I've seen the X10 2.1 vids anyway and it looks pretty good. Like bootchee says it's a good phone which is it's purpose fundamentally! The other stuff is icing on the cake but i've seen some pretty cool vids of the wildfire on 2.1, everything running superfast. The wildfire seems to have a lot more options and just overall better functionality as a smartphone.
Guess i'll just have to wait and see what the update brings.
I just want to reiterate the question. Can the mp definitely run 2.2? If not i have to consider whether i'll be happy with 2.1 for 2 years. Also what are the benefits of rooting? I read that 1.6 rooted with titanium backup was as good as 2.1.
RAM is very subjective. It depends on how many apps are open. Since google in their brilliance decided to build an operating system that keeps all apps open until the memory runs low, it's quite possible that 128mb of RAM isn't enough to play HD games and movies, but on a 320x240 screen why would you want to.
Secondly, the x10 mini has 170 mb of available RAM, not 128mb. The actual NAND chip on the phone is capable of 256mb RAM and 512mb ROM, so obviously SE have thought about "future proofing" the device to some extent. Why they limit it to 128mb available RAM and 256 accessible ROM I have no idea.
In answer to your question, if SE decided to carry out a few tweeks and workarounds here and there, then yes the X10 mini is more than capable of running Android 2.2. The 256mb minimum RAM you read about relates to the amount of RAM available to the OS. It has nothing to do with minimum hardware requirements for running FROYO.
The wilfire has a bigger screen but a slow (outdated) processor, which combined with HTC's bloated "SENSE", results in terrible lag, even on 2.1. I would hate to see it running 2.2.
I think the definitive answer you're looking for is "NO" don't buy an X10 mini if all you want is a 2.2 update, because at this stage it is unlikely SE will upgrade the OS to FROYO. HTC have promised a 2.2 update for the wildfire but I doubt this will go through, due mainly to stability issues. If you're that concerned go to youtube and watch some videos of custom 2.2 ROMs running on the wildfire - I think you will agree it's terrible.
Another option to look at is Huawei. They are releasing some very affordable handsets running 2.2 over the next few months.
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RAM is very subjective. It depends on how many apps are open. Since google in their brilliance decided to build an operating system that keeps all apps open until the memory runs low, it's quite possible that 128mb of RAM isn't enough to play HD games and movies, but on a 320x240 screen why would you want to.
Secondly, the x10 mini has 170 mb of available RAM, not 128mb. The actual NAND chip on the phone is capable of 256mb RAM and 512mb ROM, so obviously SE have thought about "future proofing" the device to some extent. Why they limit it to 128mb available RAM and 256 accessible ROM I have no idea.
In answer to your question, if SE decided to carry out a few tweeks and workarounds here and there, then yes the X10 mini is more than capable of running Android 2.2. The 256mb minimum RAM you read about relates to the amount of RAM available to the OS. It has nothing to do with minimum hardware requirements for running FROYO.
The wilfire has a bigger screen but a slow (outdated) processor, which combined with HTC's bloated "SENSE", results in terrible lag, even on 2.1. I would hate to see it running 2.2.
I think the definitive answer you're looking for is "NO" don't buy an X10 mini if all you want is a 2.2 update, because at this stage it is unlikely SE will upgrade the OS to FROYO. HTC have promised a 2.2 update for the wildfire but I doubt this will go through, due mainly to stability issues. If you're that concerned go to youtube and watch some videos of custom 2.2 ROMs running on the wildfire - I think you will agree it's terrible.
Another option to look at is Huawei. They are releasing some very affordable handsets running 2.2 over the next few months.
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Hello,
thank you for the information, I was wondering why "cat /proc/meminfo" giving me so strange amount as 169688kB. Why isn't SE using all possible memory?
It's a marketing? If some memory is blocked, probably without recompiling the kernel is not so easy to enable it...
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thank you for the information, I was wondering why "cat /proc/meminfo" giving me so strange amount as 169688kB. Why isn't SE using all possible memory?
It's a marketing? If some memory is blocked, probably without recompiling the kernel is not so easy to enable it...
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Thats the amount of RAM available to you..
169688/1024 = 165 MB (approx)
I remember reading somewhere, dont remember where, that ram and rom size of m pro is 256 each.
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RAM is very subjective. It depends on how many apps are open. Since google in their brilliance decided to build an operating system that keeps all apps open until the memory runs low, it's quite possible that 128mb of RAM isn't enough to play HD games and movies, but on a 320x240 screen why would you want to.
Secondly, the x10 mini has 170 mb of available RAM, not 128mb. The actual NAND chip on the phone is capable of 256mb RAM and 512mb ROM, so obviously SE have thought about "future proofing" the device to some extent. Why they limit it to 128mb available RAM and 256 accessible ROM I have no idea.
In answer to your question, if SE decided to carry out a few tweeks and workarounds here and there, then yes the X10 mini is more than capable of running Android 2.2. The 256mb minimum RAM you read about relates to the amount of RAM available to the OS. It has nothing to do with minimum hardware requirements for running FROYO.
The wilfire has a bigger screen but a slow (outdated) processor, which combined with HTC's bloated "SENSE", results in terrible lag, even on 2.1. I would hate to see it running 2.2.
I think the definitive answer you're looking for is "NO" don't buy an X10 mini if all you want is a 2.2 update, because at this stage it is unlikely SE will upgrade the OS to FROYO. HTC have promised a 2.2 update for the wildfire but I doubt this will go through, due mainly to stability issues. If you're that concerned go to youtube and watch some videos of custom 2.2 ROMs running on the wildfire - I think you will agree it's terrible.
Another option to look at is Huawei. They are releasing some very affordable handsets running 2.2 over the next few months.
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Thanks for clarifying things for me. The amount of false/ misinformation out there is unbelievable!
To give the hardware that capability and then stop at 2.1 makes makes no sense. This is what i'm getting at with SE! So i take it MT and 16m colours are well within the capabilities of the X10?
Are they limiting the hardware so people will have to buy newer versions that run 2.2 and above? That's how it looks. Anyway SE claim that the 2.1 update will be equivalent to Android 2.2. Not sure how as it still won't play flash or 2.2 android apps...
Anyway i don't know if you read my first post but i already have the mp. I can exchange it for a W995 or a Wildfire but i like the mp and the android capabilities are great! It's practically free with the contract i'm on so in 6 months i could trade it in or buy another phone with better capabilities such as Huawai.
I'll check the htc out a bit more but from what you say it's off the table. That leaves the W995. I think i'll keep the mini pro and i'll keep an eye on the upcoming android phones.
If SE stop at 2.1 what about developments with xda? Are custom roms above 2.1 possible or will it be determined by the caps SE have put on the hardware?
Cheers!
In 2.1 update the available ram increased from 165mb to 176mb
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In 2.1 update the available ram increased from 165mb to 176mb
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It has a 256 mb ram chip...
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It has a 256 mb ram chip...
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How come only part of that is available?
this was something I've been wondering too. why limit the ram? isnt more better?
unknown13x in another thread has stated that SE has skipped 2.2 altogthr nd is working on 2.3 for the new devices. 2.3 reqs same reqs as froyo, so if we can run 2.2, we can run 2.3. All depends on SE.
@all: first of all thanks to the most advanced and leading forums in the field.
i would like to know that i have right now 2.1 update 1 on my xp 10 mini and there are updates also like 2.1 update 2 and so on... so will be able to update it and when they are coming???
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It will be possible?
well froyo is doing some problems to the devs.. i think it would be better to get froyo working since gingerbread will take 4 months
NO!
Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher. (source)
beat me to it.
yea, considering the minimum system requirements for 3.0 I would have to say no. most Hero users cant even overclock past 695MHz so its a no go.
From what Im reading, theyre killing all custom UI with it too. no more Sense, no more Motoblur, no more nothing. just the new stock google UI that theyre working on.
I kinda see it as a good thing. the one problem with Android phones has been that the customization has been too vast. there needs to be more industry standards just like the iphone or we're going to run into phone wars that dont just involve iphone vs android.
I don't think that we won't be able to get Sense etc because that is the beauty of Android,freedom and customization.If we lose a little of both then...I don't know,I just don't want it to turn iPhoney!I think that they only will give a standard UI for apps so that we avoid the current situation,which is that every app has its own UI and there is no consistency.My opinion though...
If the minimum spec is 1Ghz for gingerbread, then all that news about fragmentation that google going on about is a load of rubbish!
I guess it will soon be the end of the road for the htc hero!
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If the minimum spec is 1Ghz for gingerbread, then all that news about fragmentation that google going on about is a load of rubbish!
I guess it will soon be the end of the road for the htc hero!
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We will first starve to death and then google might face problems!Anyway...Microsoft gave similar specs for WP7 but I've already seen a ported version running on the Diamond!What I've learned here in XDA-Devs is that we can never say never!My opinion?We will see Gingerbread on the Hero but it will never run well or smooth enough...Unless we can change its chipset!
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Wouldn't the absence of 'HTC Sense' allow JIT to play an even greater role in boosting performance?
Re: Froyo
There's also a Dalvik JIT compiler that improves overall CPU-bound code performance by two to five times compared to version 2.1.
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Wouldn't the absence of 'HTC Sense' allow JIT to play an even greater role in boosting performance?
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Nah...I'm sure they can develop some kind of patch to enable JIT with Sense like the ones here on XDA(right now I can remember Feeyo's and Villain's ones).
Will it be hard...
Hell yeah!!!!
But it isn't impossible just today some developers made ubuntu and Android 2.1 on HTC HD2
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Nah...I'm sure they can develop some kind of patch to enable JIT with Sense like the ones here on XDA(right now I can remember Feeyo's and Villain's ones).
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My point was that 'Sense' doesn't seem to benefit from JIT, and that 3.0 will have a superior UI making it unnecessary anyway. If the new UI isn't incredibly demanding (the reason for the 1ghz requirement cited?) and benefits from JIT, chances are that Hero can handle it.
Android 3.0 will also have a completely refreshed user interface. According to UnwiredView, the new UI will resemble the Cooliris-made photo gallery application that's on the Nexus One. It will feature animated transitions between apps and screens.
Google has hired Palm's former webOS user interface designer, Matias Duarte. His new position at Google is with the Android user experience team.
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which rom??
none, go read the forum like the rest of us.
Technically, there are no 2.2's with sense even from HTC themselves. That changes on the Desire today or tomorrow.
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None at the moment, stay tuned for updates!
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htc desire will have 2.2 with sense but they wont post it till closer to xmas according to what Ive read.
who knows what will happen though, xda is a pretty smart place.
okay that there's no official 2.2 with Sense, but devs made some Desire 2.2 with Sense, as I see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732246
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720294
Isn't it possible for Hero too?
Hero Froyo AOSP is in its early stages as it is so a sense froyo will take much more time.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/evo-4gs-android-2-2-update-starts-trickling-out-tomorrow-loads/
It's coming. August 3rd, 2010.
Didnt people start froyo as a port from the N1? if so then a port from the Desire wont be any harder as its same hardware? i am probably be wrong but nevermind!
There are 2.2 Senese ROMS for us Desire Owners. I think its not possible to port it to the Hero. 2.2 Sense is for Powerful devices
We really need Sense on the Hero, that's the major thing that is lacking on Android 2.2 at the moment.
Oh well if not then Ill have to wait to upgrade my phone to whatever is the next main standard android phone after the Desire.
Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
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Would not be so sure about that, most heros can hit 700mhz, not that bad a speed.
My work laptop runs WindowsXP and Ubuntu, with only 800mhz.
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MHz has nothing to do with performance. A Celeron D can run at 3GHz and will still perform more slowly than an underclocked 2GHz i7 series CPU.
In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
Guys, are you serious that you prefer sense than launcherpro?
The only thing I missed from sense is the social network sync by contact, no big deal.
Go install Fusion Rom (Froyo) + Launcherpro and be happy!
Its not only the Laucnher. HTC has Skinned ANYTHING! And it looks great.
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In the land of mobile CPU's, our hero is very old. Even if it matched snapdragon in frequency, it would still lag behind.
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The CPU, or in fact the entire setup of my Thinkpad X22 is around 10 years old!
This is what used to piss me off about PC`s, people constantly seam to want bigger and faster, and 9 times out of 10, its not even needed.
It would appear that smart phones are going the same way.
For somebody to say "no you need a more powerfull device" is just pure spoon fed, marketing bollocks.
Remember the good old Amiga, or even Spectrum days, performance increases were done by the code, not like the daft PC way of doing things = "just bolt another cpu in under the bonnet"
Look at something like JIT, huge performance increases, simply by making better code, no need at all for a larger cpu.
The legend will get froyo sense in q3.
We'll port it and it will run pretty flawlessly, except that the camera will have problems like current cm6; has, until someone manages to compile a .33 kernel for the hero, including a fixed camera driver.
Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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anon2122 said:
From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
Hi all, I'm hoping for discussion so I chose here instead of simple Q&A.
Like a lot of people here I'm looking ahead to my next phone purchase and I'm trying to see what went wrong with ICS on the Sola. The forum is filled with theads on problems, I won't list them.
Here's the crux of the issue; I read here: http://androidtechguru.blogspot.ie/2012/02/minimum-system-requirements-for-ice.html
that the head Mod of CyanogenMod says that the ICS mimimum spec is 256mb of RAM with a decent GPU, and seperately, other people say that 1ghz dual core, 512 RAM is recommended. The Sola has this precisely. Why is ICS so bad on it? You can Google many, many reviews of even high-end Sony phones on ICS and they still lag like a pensioner going down a motorway. Why?
Is it true that the Sola reserves some RAM related to the extra sensors in the screen? I read more people saying 1GB or RAM is needed for ICS to run smoothly. I noticed that reviewers on Techradar say Jelly Bean runs much better that ICS on the same specs. So, is 1GB of RAM the standard needed for ICS? How about CPU and GPU?
p.s. I should say that a Sony rep on their official forum recommended me to download a task manager to manage the RAM on the Sola...how revealing!
NOTE - Timescape now retired: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/14/rip-timescape-long-live-socialife/
Liked that motorway part
Btw
512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
Thanks, I'm really trying to learn about how this works.
So, 512MB RAM for ICS, but perhaps more after a manufacturer has added their skin and apps?
Is there any other big problem with the specs for the Sola or U?
Battery drain, has anyone else noticed many of Sony's late 2012 medium-high end phones have 1900mha batteries, but reviews on GSMArena and TechRadar say their actual performance is about 1400/1500? (Check out the Ion, Acro S and others) The opposite can also be true but is rare from what I see - the iPhone5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini have small batteries 1400/1500 but their battery performance is more like 1800-2000. I don't know what Apple and Samsung did to make it that good, but the stats tell me Sony is really messing something up to reduce the battery performance that badly despite 1900. Maybe that is the Timescape UI eating the battery?
I wont say that about Samsung bt for apple
I have used an iphone 3gs and a galaxy note (my dad's)
Note's battery backup is even worse than my xu (probably coz it has always swtiched on 3g n gmail)
I have never seen an android wid good battery (except my brothers htc desire v)
The best battery I got in 3gs
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My phone gives me a descent battery wid brains rom about 20hrs wid 4hrs of wifi, alot of messaging and hardly any calls
What about sola?
Have a look at this: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-4998.php
And the battery performance: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p2.php (bottom of this page)
I hope you wet yourself when you see this. I did. :laugh: :laugh:
64hrs?? Wtf??
I guess its due to intel chipset
I will collect money to buy this now I even beats my Nokia n86
Novathor also has an image of being power efficient
Bt I guess its the sony **** that pulls it down
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Liked that motorway part
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512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
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A normal task manager doesn't do this you're talking about an automated task killer.
It is a feature some of task managers out there have.
If you have a task manager with an auto kill feature you can, in most cases, disable it.
A task manager can help save battery juice, as long as you don't use any auto kill "features".
Its really confusing about Sola, I think the headline of this thread summarize everything.. It just failed.
Well sure thing for me now its not a ram issue, I'm using my Sola lately without task manager, and just by limiting background process to 3, it runs with 30-40 free ram even better and more stable than 120 by a task manager, Android has its own ram management unlike Windows mobile for example where free ram is something important.
I'm using "Watchdog" task manager where it kills only apps that eat CPU not Ram.
Slow performance always start after few days of using, like now I'm in third day without restarting device started to face random lags.
And I think JB could maybe run faster than ICS even with same specs, imo best os is the one able to run good on minimum or normal required specs, like Vista - Win7 thing on laptops , vista was older but crap comparing to win7 even on same specs.
And btw even Sony devices with 1G ram like P, has issues with performance.. So it's either a CPU issue, or Sony customization.
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i did notice that the facebook app sucks a lot of battery and resources from sola. On medium usage my phone goes well past a day, that is after i upgraded to .154 and uninstalling the facebook app
Check out the other Motorola phones released just before Christmas, they ALL have batteries above 2000mha! I have checked many reviews and they all seem to perform up to a very high standard. I have even chatted on here with guys who own these phones and they post battery stats lasting 2-3 days!! That's what I'm talking about...Motorola is apparently using a giant advertisment in the US saying 'A smartphone is not so smart if you have to leave it plugged into the wall all the time'.
I didn't notice the Xperia P had 1GB of RAM, and it's still slow??? I really think that's Sony's skin then. I've been reading many phones with 1GB of RAM that are really fast on ICS/JB.
By the way, that Motorola RAZR i...single core 2ghz, the GSMArena tests say that it performs better than most quad-core phones...shocking huh? Intel says the single core saves power.
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Liked that motorway part
Btw
512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
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Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
Even my very low end LG p500 with 512MB ram and a arm v6 600Mhz cpu can run ics just fine, even with old kernel, lack of sources, hacks, etc. I was using oxygen ics at the time.
In my opinion it only require a proper rom building, where most of the companies are failing.
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diegonnc said:
Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
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My friend's XU also working great on ICS, it's also stock, not rooted, locked BL..
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I also have LG P500 and with lastest Jelly bean 4.1.2 build from XDA masters works super fast and smooth. Ram free is about 200MB, apps loads instantly. Battery last for 3 days...
diegonnc said:
Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
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Well guess u folks lucky, coz i had some major issues running ICS on my U. Was practically forced to first root (so as to use some root tools to get stuff done,) then Unlock BL for Custom ROM. (Very Happy with CM9.1 - Was pretty happy just using TheBrainROM also, but I did get a Lag once in a while -Not very common, just once in a while. Using CM fxp 202 atm, and it hasn't lagged even once. O_O )
NOTE:- I did have a LOT of apps (over 100 user apps i believe), stilll I have most of them on CM but, no problems at all. (battery seems a bit worse though i could be wrong as TheBrainROM had some really good battery times, - I would get upto 1 and half days with charge. -Phone never on extended standby.)
Also @Silver If u think Windows 7 was good, check the performance on Windows 8. Heck even games are running smoother and faster. :/
Sony ends Timescape for future phones, converts everything into one option user app called Sociallife: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/14/rip-timescape-long-live-socialife/
Maybe the 2013 phones will see a performance boost?
Well I'm using stock .54 without task managers for 5 days now without restart, device is running great, even with receiving calls while I'm using many apps.
For me using task managers with "Kill All" was the problem.
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Before the Sola, I had the 2011 Xperia Mini (ST15i). It came on 2.3 with upgrade to 4.0. I gave it to my brother when I got the Sola. Tonight, I played with that phone again on ICS. It is *SO* fast and smooth it really puts the Sola phone to shame.
Comparisson of these two phones?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=3947
This is another thing about buying new phones: dual-core does not necessarily mean better performance from what I've seen. A more powerful processor, yes.
SharpnShiny said:
Before the Sola, I had the 2011 Xperia Mini (ST15i). It came on 2.3 with upgrade to 4.0. I gave it to my brother when I got the Sola. Tonight, I played with that phone again on ICS. It is *SO* fast and smooth it really puts the Sola phone to shame.
Comparisson of these two phones?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=3947
This is another thing about buying new phones: dual-core does not necessarily mean better performance from what I've seen. A more powerful processor, yes.
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but your sola has so much more pixels to play with, it's normal that the mini is smoother
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but your sola has so much more pixels to play with, it's normal that the mini is smoother
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I was thinking about keeping the Sola's resolution in the next phone, particularly to take it easy on the battery. Would you recommend that to keep the CPU relaxed too? I really don't know a lot about how this works but I'm keen to learn.
By the way, for anyone else interested on Android skins and updates, I spotted more hints on Sony's 2013 phone skins, Sony mentions it will be 'very light and easily updated':
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z-1119637/review
I have android phone with 1GHz processor and 256 MB total RAM, running custom ROM based on android 2.3.5.
I have found Android never been stable as iOS.
I want to handover my phone to my parent where they will not be using any specific android smart features. In fact, it will be used only as feature phone not smart phone.
I want to strip off all the app from android OS without affecting basing network functionality. Then I can install only specific apps. I think, this way I'll have better stable android device.
Can someone advise or provide link/info which apps can be safely removed from android 2.3.5 OS leaving behind so called "minimal android"?
Comparing Apple(s) to oranges, my friend. A 1 Ghz single core processor with 256 RAM and an outdated and not quite optimized version of Gingerbread with most likely poor Chinese coding of the software is not going to make for the most enjoyable experience. This has much less to do with Android than it does in the weak hardware and not as polished software from the manufacturer. But without knowing what kind of phone you have, we'd have no clue as to what you should or shouldn't freeze or uninstall.
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Comparing Apple(s) to oranges, my friend. A 1 Ghz single core processor with 256 RAM and an outdated and not quite optimized version of Gingerbread with most likely poor Chinese coding of the software is not going to make for the most enjoyable experience. This has much less to do with Android than it does in the weak hardware and not as polished software from the manufacturer. But without knowing what kind of phone you have, we'd have no clue as to what you should or shouldn't freeze or uninstall.
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Thanks for your reply.
I agree, I have week hardware...which is weakest point.
I have micromax A57 which is an Indian brand may be Chinese base/hardware.
I am already running custom ROM and not stock ROM. At present, I am happy with it's performance after shifting to custom ROM (xzotica v2).
But before handing over it to someone, who is not quite aware of Android and techi....rather leaving it with lots of popups/unwanted FCs/slow performance, I am thinking to strip off it to best possible leaving only core android behind. Then I'll only add app really required.
I am just looking for general guideline if any....for android 2.3.5 minimum base files/apps....
How bout this one? http://forums.droidbeans.com/microm...optimized-rom-with-clean-flat-ui-like-kitkat/
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How bout this one? http://forums.droidbeans.com/microm...optimized-rom-with-clean-flat-ui-like-kitkat/
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I really appreciate your efforts.
I have checked this ROM earlier. It's good but some error, thats why it has not good user base also.
And, this is not what I'm looking for. I would like to remove all apps without affecting normal booting, not any FC's after removing apps and all radios working.
That's all what I want on my phone. My question regarding what apps can be removed is not ROM specific but android 2.3.5 specific.
Again thanking for your efforts.