Lol I'm like the first one to brick it... congrats to me with a dead metal brick...
was playing with the temp root (tool and script) so just remind everyone there
are still risks associated
basically i got temp root, then after firing up titanium backup and backed up all my apps it crashed, then super user started crashing, it's stuck in forever boot loop, master reset will just shut down the machine lol i'll probably take it back since just got it 2 days ago
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Lol I'm like the first one to brick it... congrats to me with a dead metal brick...
was playing with the temp root (tool and script) so just remind everyone there
are still risks associated
basically i got temp root, then after firing up titanium backup and backed up all my apps it crashed, then super user started crashing, it's stuck in forever boot loop, master reset will just shut down the machine lol i'll probably take it back since just got it 2 days ago
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that happened to me too... lol, did you do a battery pull yet?? thats what knocked me out of the boot loop.
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atoore said:
Wrong forums.
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huh?
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that happened to me too... lol, did you do a battery pull yet?? thats what knocked me out of the boot loop.
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whats a battery pull? you mean just remove that battery? I did that and boot into Hboot for wipe, nothing works. infinite loop, I'm just gonna take it back to the store~~ hopefully they wont see its HTC unlocked bootloader lol
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whats a battery pull? you mean just remove that battery? I did that and boot into Hboot for wipe, nothing works. infinite loop, I'm just gonna take it back to the store~~ hopefully they wont see its S-Off LOL
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wait... you have s-off?? how'd you get s-off???
lol its in the dev section, unlock bootloader~~ it saids a giant UNLOCK when u go into Hboot
ViOv said:
Lol I'm like the first one to brick it... congrats to me with a dead metal brick...
was playing with the temp root (tool and script) so just remind everyone there
are still risks associated
basically i got temp root, then after firing up titanium backup and backed up all my apps it crashed, then super user started crashing, it's stuck in forever boot loop, master reset will just shut down the machine lol i'll probably take it back since just got it 2 days ago
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Had to stop by and LOL, sorry. But hey you're in the hall of fame now
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lol its in the dev section, unlock bootloader~~ it saids a giant UNLOCK when u go into Hboot
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yeah, thats an unlocked bootloader, but its not s-off bro. 2 different animals.
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lol its in the dev section, unlock bootloader~~ it saids a giant UNLOCK when u go into Hboot
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You should not be allowed to own a USB cable.
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You should not be allowed to own a USB cable.
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lol.......
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lol its in the dev section, unlock bootloader~~ it saids a giant UNLOCK when u go into Hboot
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That's not S-Off (if it were, it would say 's-off' not 'unlocked'). Also, by taking HTC's unlock you voluntarily void your warranty, so I dunno if Tmob will be helpful...
OH I suck, this is my first HTC android. Didn't know that's not S-off... I just saw it now lol we'll see when I head back to t-mobile, hopefully they wont be able to start the device at all...
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OH I suck, this is my first HTC android. Didn't know that's not S-off... I just saw it now lol we'll see when I head back to t-mobile, hopefully they wont be able to start the device at all...
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I hope T-Mobile will help you.
By unlocking the boot loader, you informed HTC that you voluntarily voided you warranty.
Those posts in the dev forum are extremely dangerous, both the bootloader unlock and temp root ones. The unlock being the most dangerous. I am grateful for the brave souls, that risk their device everyday, to help everyone.
However, until there is a method to restore a device to that "factory-fresh" state, people are playing Russian Roulette with their devices.
I am sending my best wishes your way though. Let's hope for a loophole.
Thanks, I just got a new phone. I walked in when the t-mobile retail manager was on an asshole attitude, so I just "attempted" to turn off the phone, he didn't even power it on, he just charged me a $50 restocking fee, I'd pay that instead of taking my chances of not being able to return it FOREVER, plus square trade deductible is the same anyway... so yeah now I got a new phone and I'm happy as ever,
Learn from this my friend, and spread the gospel to others.
Thou shalt not unlock the bootloader using HTC's method.
Thou shalt let people with more experience than thine self test new methods for anything.
If thou does not have extensive experience with development, thou shalt not do anything to thine device, unless there is a foolproof method to recover the device.
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Am I the only one annoyed by this. Your brand new to android and attempted rooting after reading next to nothing on xda. Once you bricked your phone, which was inevitable considering your complete lack of preparation, you cheated the system and saddled HTC with brick.
They won't continue being friendly with the dev community if they keep getting screwed by idiots who think there are no consequences to jumping the gun.
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Am I the only one annoyed by this. Your brand new to android and attempted rooting after reading next to nothing on xda. Once you bricked your phone, which was inevitable considering your complete lack of preparation, you cheated the system and saddled HTC with brick.
They won't continue being friendly with the dev community if they keep getting screwed by idiots who think there are no consequences to jumping the gun.
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My thoughts exactly...OP is dumb for jumping in ****-deep. OP is a twat for lying/stealing/cheating TMo. Take responsibility for your actions...I cannot count how many times idiots did this in the Vibrant forum.
calm down folks. While agree that the OP prob should have waited a bit, how does someone gain experience unless they try? Maybe be a little nicer instead of just outright insulting someone for their inexperience. Were you guys all born with complete knowledge of how to root a phone, did it by instinct? I doubt it. lay off the guy.
Secondly, cheating T-mo? like they don't make money hand over fist off all of us anyway? besides, for that guys $50 restocking fee, all T-Mo did was sell another phone so, they make twice as much money, and they get a phone back to recondition and sell as either a refurb or give it to asurion so that they can use it as an insurance replacement.
Be [email protected]$%@#g nice on these forums people, otherwise people are gonna get burned out on doing stuff like this and there will be no development at all on anything.
People with no experience need to wait until the more experienced make things clear and stable. As for the cheating, etc, it is fraud. Just because we feel that companies rape us does not make it legal to steal. That is all I will say on it.
Applaud the successes, cast stones at poor morality.
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If you come to a sprint store for service and repair, make sure you remove root files from the phone. I figured this would be common sense by now. But I can't tell you how many rejected repairs we do because of it. I'm sure some stores are more lenient than others. But to avoid a headache and wasted time just remove any trace of root. My store is anal about it. Just tired of noobs arguing with me constantly.
K. I'll bite.
Without S-Off, how can we leave behind root files?
<jk> I know what you are trying to say.
Prove those files mean I'm rooted...
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I don't see why it matters what files I have on my SD card or apks that need root. As long as the phone is not rooted you are in the wrong!
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Stores are no longer supposed to reject phones for being rooted?
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I don't see why it matters what files I have on my SD card or apks that need root.
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The SuperUser apk has a history of all the programs you have listed to remember root privileges. It will only list an apk on the green list if it successfully gave the apk root access. Which means it was rooted, the warranty was void the moment you ran Fre3vo, whether they know it is the question.
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As long as the phone is not rooted you are in the wrong!
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And that really is un-called for. b-reezy clearly has a boss, e.g. doesn't make this decision. Coming on here and posting this warning is a favor to us. Arguing isn't going to change the policy, if it were me, I'd be more interested in keeping my job than pleasing another XDA troll.
I usually just return my phones to stock if I need to go get the phones serviced. Doesnt usually take to long to restore everything back after.
Grow up people. Just put a sock in it if you have nothing sensible to say.
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If you come to a sprint store for service and repair, make sure you remove root files from the phone. I figured this would be common sense by now. But I can't tell you how many rejected repairs we do because of it. I'm sure some stores are more lenient than others. But to avoid a headache and wasted time just remove any trace of root. My store is anal about it. Just tired of noobs arguing with me constantly.
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I think when someone has more thanks than posts that they may just be one of the good guys,Thanks for the heads up. Luckily my sprint store all the dudes are cool and turn a blind eye.
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I think when someone has more thanks than posts that they may just be one of the good guys,Thanks for the heads up. Luckily my sprint store all the dudes are cool and turn a blind eye.
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same here, hell they were amazed at my OG Evo's speed with CM7 on it hahaha...
I dont think this has been posted, But here is the latest on the HTC Bootloader unlock
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/03/htc-explains-official-bootloader-unlock-process-asks-you-to-sig/
Yeah that sucks, but what did you really expect? HTC can't be expected to support unlocked phones bc ppl can really screw up their phones if they don't know what they're doing. HTC is only protecting themselves and this was absolutely expected IMHO. Good news article though regardless.
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D... Get in the third dimension!
Thanks for the info, didn't catch that. Please keep in mind next time that this may be an official development for information on the official bootloader unlock, but that does not make it development, this technically belongs in general.
No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
Hmmm.... Lets see here.
1. Root Phone w/ out HTC.
2. Do whatever you want.
3. Have hardware error and need warranty repair.
4. Back to stock we go!
5. ????
6. Profit!
Umad HTC?
had a feeling that was going to happen but not to sound hard on you this is the development section this should be placed in general section just a heads up
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No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
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Wow, it got moved really fast! Lol
So what would that do to Sprint insurance if you root with HTC? Does that mean you might as well cancel it or will Sprint still replace?
Do you think HTC knows we already have these devices unlocked. Lol
Although sucks if this is where Androids future is going.
I'm glad that some companys have listened to the community. We asked for them to give us unlocked bootloaders t and they are ACTUALLY delivering. Of course it voids the warranty I'm not suprised at all. Stops *****ing bout it cuz they could've NOT unlocked them and than everything would be the same. Change is good in my opinion.
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Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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TANSTAAFL
Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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Definitely will. We'll have less people coming over to this forum and whining at us because we won't hold their hand through the entire rooting process (although there has been enough of that already anyways), and more time for expansion ROM cooking.
And +1 to easily being able to fool anyone into thinking our warranty isn't void.
Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
I just think it's funny. During the flame wars there were multiple people saying "htc would not release something that voids warranty."
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I saw this posted yesterday, but ever since I started rooting phones with my Hero a year and a half ago I always knew it technically voided the warranty. It is easy to switch back to stock and I have never had them even check when I returned a phone in the past.
Glad that they are going to release it. Not suprised that it voids the warranty. No different than putting mods on your car.....
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Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
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This is exactly why it was in HTCs best interest to release the unlocked bootloader before we got perm-root.
To bad...they fail.
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Isn't that what RUU's are for?! I haven't had any problems at all returning previously rooted phones to Sprint, even after bricking my GF's Optimus S trying to get it back to stock, they took it back and gave us a new one. If you don't know how to revert to stock, you shouldn't be messing with root in the first place.
Just my opinion..
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Well...I think It's cool they are unlocking the bl ..even though at this point It's futile and the people who know what they are doing already have Their phone unlocked..I'm not gonna give them much credit though..they should not have locked it down in the first place..It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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This made me LOL.
+1 to RUU to stock... Funny story, when I traded in my Hero at Best Buy, the guy saw my CM7 Gingerbread ROM and was like, "Sweet, didn't know you could put gingerbread on this thing." He never even batted an eye that it was rooted.
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I'm losing faith in the quality of HTC's dependability. They even drop your warranty if you transfer your evo to another line on your account. That's retarded because you're still the user of the device.
I soft bricked my droid razr by restoring a back up session and then it wouldnt get passed the "M" motorola logo. Any suggestions on what I should say if i take it to verizon to try to get it replaced since i preordered it. Also is there any way to fix it with back up files? Thanks for your help cause this sucks major nuts
I went to them and said that battery died , i plugged it in and went to sleep, when i got up the screen was like that. they took 1.5 hours trying to "fix" it but then did give me new phone
It's exactly what you should do when you brick an unrecoverable phone...
Anyway, this is the wrong section!
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I went to them and said that battery died , i plugged it in and went to sleep, when i got up the screen was like that. they took 1.5 hours trying to "fix" it but then did give me new phone
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And that's why companies have crap warranties. Because people like you keep taking advantage of them when,after breaking their phones because they have no idea WTF they're doing, they even don't have the balls to take responsibility for their mistakes and try to pass it off as someone else's fault.
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And that's why companies have crap warranties. Because people like you keep taking advantage of them when,after breaking their phones because they have no idea WTF they're doing, they even don't have the balls to take responsibility for their mistakes and try to pass it off as someone else's fault.
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Whatever dude, if the companies weren't such assholes and lock the bootloader i would have had to do it.
Lol, it's always someone else's fault, right? The big bad motorola must kicked down your door and made you buy their phone at gunpoint. Did they touch you in your naughty parts too?
Wow guys, relax. Hopefully a lesson has been learned: it's not safe to dink around right now w/o an sbf file.
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I went to them and said that battery died , i plugged it in and went to sleep, when i got up the screen was like that. they took 1.5 hours trying to "fix" it but then did give me new phone
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I see what you mean. Thank you greatly for the suggestion and help. And yes I know its the wrong section, my apologies site moderators and users
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Lol, it's always someone else's fault, right? The big bad motorola must kicked down your door and made you buy their phone at gunpoint. Did they touch you in your naughty parts too?
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Motorola left the bootloader unlocked but Verizon locked it. Stop being dumb on the internet because you can.
I'm still waiting for the kinks to be ironed out before I root
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And that's why companies have crap warranties. Because people like you keep taking advantage of them when,after breaking their phones because they have no idea WTF they're doing, they even don't have the balls to take responsibility for their mistakes and try to pass it off as someone else's fault.
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+1 tired of people exploiting the system.
This is why Motorola locks the bootloader.
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You guys don't realize how much a company makes off of you and furthermore how a company cares about you at all if that. The guys that keep doing the "right" thing go ahead and keep living life doing the "right" thing. Your are then 100X more likely to get ****ed and then they'll make more money off you good for them. Do you ever think about how they outsource all the US jobs to foreign countries for cheap labor and then sell to us 1000% more then what it cost them. So you must think that's right? Whatever I'm going to **** the big companies every chance I get and trust me it won't affect them.
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So you must think that's right? Whatever I'm going to **** the big companies every chance I get and trust me it won't affect them.
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your right it affects the cost of goods to us. they dont ever lose but instead pass it on to the consumer.
if you understood how manufacturing worked you wouldnt make statements like this.
I've been saying for years to people that rooting does not affect your ability to return a faulty phone. I have returned dozens of phones rooted rommed and even a few bricks. Verizon does not give a ****, why would they? It's just software , and when the device is refurbished it is wiped with machines that are built to reinstall the factory condition (think of re imaging a pc harddrive with the manufactures build of windows)
But now with phones saying "tampered" I'm seeing more and more people worried ..
Well don't take my word for it...
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/1...ging-full-price-of-warranty-phones-if-rooted/
" Our friends at Verizon saw this post and wanted to reach out to clarify everything immediately. First up, is the fact that their policy says absolutely nothing about checking for root on devices. When a phone is received, a phone is checked for three things and that definitely isn’t one of them. They check to see if the box that the device was sent in is damaged, if the outside of the phone looks awful, and if it powers on – satisfy all of those and they move on to the next phone. So basically, these reports of being charged for a rooted phone simply mean that these people were sending in garbage phone with defects."
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
mighty_markus12 said:
You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
The point is.. it doesnt matter. Verizon is not checking that.
As I said , I've sent back many devices rooted. HTC dinc.. sent back like 6 of them with s-off.. same with thunderbolt and dinc2. And now.. between my wife and I, we sent in 3 rezounds.. they have all been unlocked and rooted.
So either I'm really lucky (which would he news to me) or verizon doesn't give a ****.. as indicated by them saying "we don't give a ****" in that article
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not every s-off method, is capable of turning back to s-on..
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every phone ive had i could go back to s-on. hero, evo4g, tbolt, dinc2.
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Show me where this is stated explicitly.. otherwise your just perpetuating incorrect information
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not incorrect info. read the disclaimers on the htc dev site, the revolutionary unlock site, heck most if not all of the custom rom threads. if you unlock and root you voided the warranty, since if you relock the bootloader on the rezound both verizon and htc will know by it saying "relocked". im not taking the chance of being charged $500+ to ship it in for repairs.
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You unlock your bootloader you voided warrenty. This is why we need s-off so we can go back to full factory if need be. I sure wont be sending my rezound into verizon.
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Your s-off obsession is starting to worry me.. you need another hobby.
And read the disclaimers--it says you MAY void your warranty. HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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HTC is effectively letting you know they'll choose to honor the warranty or not. And they may. Which means it's not voided. It means it might be voided.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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It's become a dead project because there's zero evidence that not being able to go back to a factory state matters in the slightest. To anyone. To the user, to Verizon, to HTC. It means nothing to have "relocked" stamped at the top of your phone.
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point taken, to each their own but i knew the risks when i unlocked and i sure won't be the first to send my phone into verizon, ill just buy another.
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might not void the htc warranty but it does void your insurance with verizon. which means i could not get a free replacement device without paying or going without my phone for a few weeks. that's all i was saying.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
Edit: Tons of people have sent in a relocked phone, myself included, and it's never been a problem for anyone. Ever.
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There's zero evidence of that as well. There's simply nothing to indicate your fears are grounded in any sort of fact.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in.
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Dude, tons of people have done it on this forum and others, with, as far as I know, a 100% success rate. You're not a guinea pig, you're among thousands of other people who have done the exact same thing.
I guess I don't really give a **** in the grand scheme of things, my Rezound is off contract, but it's a fear that has no basis in any sort of experience any user has had with Verizon, Assurion, or HTC. And if you have insurance, just dunk your phone in your toilet so it doesn't turn on if you're that worried.
I've sent two Rezounds back to Verizon, both rooted and relocked, no problems at all.
Sent from my HTC Rezound
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it's not an obsession at all, it's the fact that if my phone bricks or becomes defective once i unlock via htc dev there is no way to go back to a full factory state. im sure this is why alot of users have not unlocked and just stay stock. trust me if i knew how to make s-off happen i would. i remember when this phone first launched the devs were hellbound on trying to get it achieved and since it's become a dead project up until recently.
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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so even with a statement from Verizon saying they don't check for that stuff, you still think that they do? But you offer no evidence of this. That's fine..
I am going to get to the bottom of this, because it seems that everyone is just going off of what they "think" is the right answer, with no real evidence.
Im a researcher in physics and engineering, and I can assure you that if someone on my team said "well ya this is what happens because i said so..." it would not go over well.
If it takes me a day or a month, im going to get definitive answers about exactly what is covered and not covered under warranty replacements when it comes to rooting and unlocking.
my hypothesis is that if a phone has a factory defect (bad pixels, faulty buttons) then rooted or not, unlocked or not, it will be replaced. I base this off of YEARS of replacing DOZENS or devices, and not once have I ever "restored" them to factory conditions. I have never been charged for a device. They also say you have to return the device in 10 days or you will be charged. Ive returned devices 2 months later and never been charged, I often wonder if then even verify that it was returned at all..
Anyway, I will get back to this.. my biggest pet peeve is people passing faulty, or "propaganda" information with absolutely no evidence to support it. (myself included)
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I have to agree with you Serinety. Gone through 30+ exchanges and not once has rooting been an issue. EVER.
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not going to argue, i just know i won't be a guinea pig and try to ship it in. it also boils down to what tech you have working on your phone. i remember in my sprint days some stores would flag your device and some would not.
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I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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Please understand that you will not be able to return your device to the original state and going forward your device may not be held covered under the warranty for all claims resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader.
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key words here.. "MAY NOT" and "RESULTING FROM"
This means that normal factory defects will not be affected by rooting or unlocking. things like dead pixels, faulty buttons. etc.. as they are not "resulting from the unlocking of the bootloader"
this is pretty cut and dry in my opinion, still, I have emailed both VZW and HTC in order to confirm
andybones said:
I agree, there's no point in arguing. Send it back, don't send it back, it's your choice in the end.
and you wouldn't be a guinea pig, I have, like the OP, sent back over a dozen phones between Eris, inc1, and inc2 that were each time still rooted with s-off, and never had an issue.
I am not however going to care whether or not you choose to do so, nor should anyone else. It's your phone, you paid for it, do with it as you please.
God Bless.
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This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
Serinety said:
This is pretty much the point I suppose. But for some reason, I feel compelled to dismantle this myth once and for all lol. Though like anything, sometimes you can present all the empirical evidence in the world and people will still believe what they want.
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I mean, it's not totally a myth--Verizon could, I suppose, decide tomorrow to start checking all phones for relocked bootloaders just to **** with us. But the point is that they haven't, and there's no evidence they will, and even if they decided to do that, we'd probably get wind of it.
How close are we to gaining S-off/root? The only threads that are being posted in in the past 2 weeks are the rom threads, and those are for the unlocked phones only.
So, how close are we to getting our phones rooted and such?
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How close are we to gaining S-off/root? The only threads that are being posted in in the past 2 weeks are the rom threads, and those are for the unlocked phones only.
So, how close are we to getting our phones rooted and such?
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don't know, this is like beating a dead horse.
we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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YEP, what? we've been locked now for 2 months or more. just can't see the reasoning behind it, i think they want this phone dead.
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we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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no unlocking does not give s-off, but when unlocked you can flash roms and kernels using adb, you can't flash radios though. with s-off you don't need to use adb or a computer to flash, and you can flash anything
basicly all you need adb for is to flash the boot.img of the rom after flashing with recovery
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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Verizon will never give s-off.
there is hope they allow us htc dev unlock back and as soon as that happens, s-off will come with it shortly after
there no saying "how close" one is to cracking an exploit...
I'm happy knowing that someone is indeed working on it though.
Yeah I'd probably be tempted to switch to the Razr M as soon as it gets root. I'd love to stick with this incredible though. It's like the only form factors I enjoy are locked tighter than ever
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trillonometry said:
Yeah I'd probably be tempted to switch to the Razr M as soon as it gets root. I'd love to stick with this incredible though. It's like the only form factors I enjoy are locked tighter than ever
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Im sure it's only a matter of time.
Right?
This phone is slowly dying and it sucks... I shut mine off and turned my rezound back on because of no root... It's not looking good for the inc4G community especially if something don't happen soon... Because in another month this device will be considered old...then nobody will but it. Keep your fingers crossed tho maybe someone will figure it out
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This phone is slowly dying and it sucks... I shut mine off and turned my rezound back on because of no root... It's not looking good for the inc4G community especially if something don't happen soon... Because in another month this device will be considered old...then nobody will but it. Keep your fingers crossed tho maybe someone will figure it out
Sent from my EVO 3D with sense 4 they say it can't run
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It just doesnt make sense. The inc2 (my previous phone) had s-off, why keep the inc4g so locked down?
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It just doesnt make sense. The inc2 (my previous phone) had s-off, why keep the inc4g so locked down?
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Yea it doesn't make sense, it flat out pisses me off as I'm sure the rest of you guys. I don't have the damn phone, but I really want it for the form factor that it is and phablet that it's not. I mean, hell the guys over on the gsiii got that unlocked, not sure if it was VZ or the developers over there but it's rocking and rolling, no reason why they shouldn't allow us the same.
Even their stupid data plans are out now which make it so convenient to share your data, legally tether in other words, so it's not like were just looking to root it to take advantage of their phones. The Crapple 5 is on the shelf, so what's the hold up VZ. Sorry just frustrated with those clowns at VZ.
Thankfully the OG Dinc guys are still hard at work dev and that allows me to run with JB on my outdated ride but if she goes up in smoke, I gotta real dilemma, lol..
I'm glad to see folks are still trying to work on it here, this could be a hell of a phone and forum if you guys crack this mother
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Yea it doesn't make sense, it flat out pisses me off as I'm sure the rest of you guys. I don't have the damn phone, but I really want it for the form factor that it is and phablet that it's not. I mean, hell the guys over on the gsiii got that unlocked, not sure if it was VZ or the developers over there but it's rocking and rolling, no reason why they shouldn't allow us the same.
Even their stupid data plans are out now which make it so convenient to share your data, legally tether in other words, so it's not like were just looking to root it to take advantage of their phones. The Crapple 5 is on the shelf, so what's the hold up VZ. Sorry just frustrated with those clowns at VZ.
Thankfully the OG Dinc guys are still hard at work dev and that allows me to run with JB on my outdated ride but if she goes up in smoke, I gotta real dilemma, lol..
I'm glad to see folks are still trying to work on it here, this could be a hell of a phone and forum if you guys crack this mother
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The main problem is the device isn't getting any attention from devs... Which means its not high on the list to unlock it... Inc 2 got lucky because it came out with froyo and a lot of exploits were already made for it... Ics is a ***** to crack
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Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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Well i think everyone is just venting, from frustration, it's all cool
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Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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I love the phone. It's absolutely better than my original Incredible, but I would love this phone all that much more if I could root it. I don't care about S-OFF or unlocked bootloader as much as having root and being able to do some of the stuff I could on my Incredible. Like Andy has said, as soon as we get any form of root, even temp root, we'll have S-OFF. We just need that little step first.
I gotta say I feel really bad for you guys. I was strongly considering this phone, even though I pre-ordered a GS3 to keep my unlimited data in tact. I planned to either sell the GS3 on eBay or exchange it for the Dinc 4G but I ended up sticking with the GS3 out of laziness. I was jealous that you guys had an unlocked bootloader from launch but what a dirty move on Verizon's part making HTC take it down. Really horrible.
So I've been following progress here ever since. I'm glad there are people doing work on it, as perhaps someday I'll have the upgrade I originally wanted; one I can comfortably hold. I basically have to two-hand this thing.
Here's to hope for the future!
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I gotta say I feel really bad for you guys. I was strongly considering this phone, even though I pre-ordered a GS3 ...snip... I basically have to two-hand this thing.
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^ That is exactly why I wanted the Dinc4g. The signal is solid, it's very fast - both processor and 4G internet ...and it fits in my pocket nicely.
it. just. needs. root.
It maybe because there is no htcdev unlock too. I plan on getting this phone, but my upgrade isn't for awhile. I'm confident it will get s-off soon, but i'll enjoy my S-OFF Inc2 until this phone is S-OFF.
even though this phone is pretty nice i wouldn't pick it up down the road... it's a ghost town for forums and with no root and half the apps not utilizing the google intended extended menu there is a black bar a lot of the time using the app. If you want something small and locked down the Razr M smacks this around i think. I'm tempted to go to it just for the soft keys alone.