Is there a time HTC announced yet for the official firmware ? Like Summer 2012 , Fall 2012 ??
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No official date, but I believe they said "early in 2012"
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HTC stated in the first quarter (Q1) of 2012. Meaning Jan-March.
What's the hurry?? there are still many apps that haven't been updated, there are may things in the air about it and its best to get it when all the bugs are ironed out.
People need to be more patient....
Okay thanks for the information
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Q1 is almost over.
Jellybean will be out before we get ICS
first week of april for sure. jelly bean is way to far. its dual OS android 5 plus google it will be interesting to see what jelly bean gota offer. the wait is on
It's the last week in April. Nothing yet...
I just hope they increase the response time of the camera. As-is that is my ONLY complaint. I miss a lot of great shots because of the lag between when I click the button and when it actually takes the shot.
Its unknown for now, all we can do is wait.
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It's the last week in April. Nothing yet...
I just hope they increase the response time of the camera. As-is that is my ONLY complaint. I miss a lot of great shots because of the lag between when I click the button and when it actually takes the shot.
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Same here. I was able to reduce it by changing the review time (of the shot) to off. Also, if you have the Amaze camera (MeanRom I know has it) the lag is a little shorter than that. Hopefully ICS can help in that aspect!
Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
xzxzx90 said:
Is there a time HTC announced yet for the official firmware ? Like Summer 2012 , Fall 2012 ??
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In the coming weeks.
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In the coming weeks.
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Turning out to be in the coming year.
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Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
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Umm each iteration works more towards this... Ios is so smooth because it uses hardware acceleration, something that is only just becoming possible with ICS on Android. Sit back and trust that Google might just have common sense too.
I think I've heard something about getting ICS some when in June.
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Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
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Android can do true multitasking. This no something ios does. They added multitasking in ios 4 I believe but it doesn't compare to how well android does it. Strip out the multitasking and I bet android is a hell of a lot smoother.
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Android can do true multitasking. This no something ios does. They added multitasking in ios 4 I believe but it doesn't compare to how well android does it. Strip out the multitasking and I bet android is a hell of a lot smoother.
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Still I can't wait the ICS update for Evo 3D. I hope it will be here soon.
They announced It's coming out tomorrow at 11:11 am.
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If i not wrong, its around may-june end of may or first june
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So. What now?
There is few - non-complete - ICS roms for the htc flyer, but nothing good enough for daily use.
We didn't even get android 4 before android 5 was out... :crying:
Drew Garen is apparently working on ICS. Maybe he should be asked to try to work on Jellybean instead?
What do you think? Will it be harder to get Jellybean? Will it ever be done?
I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
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I was kind of hoping DG would actually do something...
However, I have been positively surprised with other developers before. Honestly I don't want another tablet either.
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I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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Yes, I suppose all hope is lost with DG. A shame he was given money to do it, when he couldn't. Anyways, I hope we get either...
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This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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I personally want to use my device as long as the hardware is okay. (I still have my HTC hero, haha.) I think the lesson here is to buy a device that has loads of rom developers.
Anyways, thanks for all the replies!
Man everyone is obsessing over jelly bean...why? It's a minor update.. its a miracle chaos got ics running on this device, asking for jelly bean is a new monster. Id rather the focus be on getting ics perfect for the tablet than start over on a new monster. And idk about jelly beans New tablet mode, Id prefer the tablet ui that was introduced with honeycomb.
Thing is google cranks out new android versions quickly. People won't keep this tab forever, including developers. So the best possible experience that takes full advantage of the flyers hardware needs to be the goal not desperately trying to scrape together parts to get another version of android on the tab. Really I'm fine with honeycomb aside from the lag, and ioiwillio is working on that and so far so good
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I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
It sounds great to get a Nexus 7 maybe 16g at least. I don't know if they have sdcard slot, that would awesome. The HTC EVO View still has great potential as a school tool. I take it everywhere take notes, make beats, do homework, watch movies, listen to music, text everyone and email. I hardly carry my phone to school or laptop. I think its still very functional, even the Gingerbread works fine on this device. I can even code. It's definitively not a 12 core that I treasure so much as to not carry it outside my home in sunny Southern California.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
Big Bro indeed. As much as I like Google, their goal of collecting all information is frightening. Information is power - someone with too much power is a tyrant.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
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I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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AS Gumby said earlier i do not think it is too hard to do, i am not even sure it requires Kernel changes in order to get it working, i believe that it can share the same kernel as AOSP ICS, however don't quote me on this. I will have a look at this with whoever decides to develop
@Gumby you up for this ? ?
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I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
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This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Do you have a link for that??
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not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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cool. with a jelly bean rom I might just keep the flyer and pass on the nexus all together!
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This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
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Yes. It seems like I am wrong about it anyway. There IS a landscape mode in the UI.
I am thinking about ordering one. It is a shame because the Flyer has better hardware in some respects (rear camera, SD slot, MHL support). But, Nexus 7 hardware is good enough and, most importantly, it has Google supporting it so we will surely get timely software updates for a while at least. Also, I am sure that there will be a ton of Dev activity becasue this is a Google product and will probably be at least moderately successful.
Hope the community of flyer grow stronger and stronger. Anyway it is not old enough to die, with all this, All the flyer will have a longer life:fingers-crossed:
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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We need a ICS kernel first, and I was pretty sure the framework changes were rather intensive.
From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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I'm kinda thinking that too. Ideally what I think would be perfect for the flyer is a launcher with a honeycomb layout that auto rotates to both portrait and landscape and has no dock and the apps and search bar up top just like honeycomb. Then you have the notification bar up top, virtual keys disabled, and hardware keys enabled and bam perfect flyer layout!
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Ok, I'm sure going backwards on a device is just as hard as forward if there have never been drivers for it but it sure would be nice. CM7 would be an improvement. If my og wasn't so worn out I would be back on it but it's not dependable enough. (loose connection Somewere. Shuts down in my pocket sometimes).
So here is my question. Is it possible to build a gb rom without source from htc?
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I would LOOOOOOVE to put Gingerbread on my EVO LTE! As it stands right now, I've deemed my phone as a worthless POS... seriously the worst new phone experience I've ever had.
Why the hell would you ever go backwards? We have working cm10....and you want to go back to cm7?
You guys have some nuts loose, this phone is awesome
Ya this phone is excellent out of the box
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Wow really?!
Right now I am on minute 6 of a og evo to boot...
For the same reason some people stuck with xp for so long. Because it just plain works.
I really don't want to go into the reasons for not liking ics or jb. The OG run so good on Gb this updated hardware would sprout wings.
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For the same reason some people stuck with xp for so long. Because it just plain works.
I really don't want to go into the reasons for not liking ics or jb. The OG run so good on Gb this updated hardware would sprout wings.
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You realize they'd have to do all the same things to get gb running that they'll have to do for perfectly working jb. Same amount of work
Once again, why the hell would you go backwards? Pick up an og evo on Craiglist for $50
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For the same reason some people stuck with xp for so long. Because it just plain works.
I really don't want to go into the reasons for not liking ics or jb. The OG run so good on Gb this updated hardware would sprout wings.
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And this phone runs damn well on JB, plus JB is infinitely more smooth thanks to Project Butter.
If you want to do something as foolish as running an ugly, old, simpler build of Android on a phone that runs ICS and beyond flawlessly in hopes of it somehow improving the experience, I suggest you do research and figure out how to do it yourself because no one will waste time on that.
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For the same reason some people stuck with xp for so long. Because it just plain works.
I really don't want to go into the reasons for not liking ics or jb. The OG run so good on Gb this updated hardware would sprout wings.
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I feel like if this EVO were to run GB it would be worse. Too much work, no Hardware Acceleration AT ALL (Which makes a huge difference) and plus an ugly UI. If I truly felt the need to go back to that I would just flash CM7 on my DROID INC.
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No thank you
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And this phone runs damn well on JB, plus JB is infinitely more smooth thanks to Project Butter.
If you want to do something as foolish as running an ugly, old, simpler build of Android on a phone that runs ICS and beyond flawlessly in hopes of it somehow improving the experience, I suggest you do research and figure out how to do it yourself because no one will waste time on that.
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Wow I'm so glad your opinion carry so much weight. Ugly? Old? Really? EVO lte running flawlessly? Oh that'd be why it reboots playing a simple vid that was recorded from my old phone. Or why it can't keep an app in memory for 5 freaking minutes when I navigate away from it.
As for hardware acceleration. Gb didn't need it. Try running ics without it.
I didn't ask anyone to build it for me. My post plainly ask if it were possible. Maybe to spark another topic. But this bashing narrow minded xda today is exactly the reason devs leave. Just how many versions of the same damn ruu that already has problems do we need anyway. GB isn't a worse version, just different.
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For the same reason some people stuck with xp for so long. Because it just plain works.
I really don't want to go into the reasons for not liking ics or jb. The OG run so good on Gb this updated hardware would sprout wings.
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I agree I still love XP and Ginger Bread 2.3.4 lol
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Wow I'm so glad your opinion carry so much weight. Ugly? Old? Really? EVO lte running flawlessly? Oh that'd be why it reboots playing a simple vid that was recorded from my old phone. Or why it can't keep an app in memory for 5 freaking minutes when I navigate away from it.
As for hardware acceleration. Gb didn't need it. Try running ics without it.
I didn't ask anyone to build it for me. My post plainly ask if it were possible. Maybe to spark another topic. But this bashing narrow minded xda today is exactly the reason devs leave. Just how many versions of the same damn ruu that already has problems do we need anyway. GB isn't a worse version, just different.
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If you're having issues you should make sure your phone isn't defective.
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If you're having issues you should make sure your phone isn't defective.
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HTC should've made sure their phones weren't defective. Thousands of people complaining about the same issues can't all be wrong.
Get rid of that bloat ice works fine even on my n s 4 g
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It even runs Linux - n s 4 g
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I don't care about going back to gingerbread myself, but I would think that the source for CM7 would still be out there. I would recommend checking here, I've found it to be a valuable resource.
Yes of course source is still out there. Problem being if OP could compile AOSP from source he would know where to find it
Compiling GB would be buggy as hell on the LTEVO, and IMO a waste of time.
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Or why it can't keep an app in memory for 5 freaking minutes when I navigate away from it.
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That is Sense, not ICS. You have to compare stock GB to ICS before going "GB is clearly better" HTC phones have Sense on top of it and different versions of Sense affect different things. Try out the CM10 build and (apart from the obvious early build bugs) I assure you you will be impressed. Just wait it out until it becomes a fully working stock JB ROM and it will run better than a pure GB build on our device.
As far as whether it's possible to build or not, it is possible, however I doubt many devs would be interested in making this a reality considering the vast improvements that ICS and JB have over GB.
Stock ICS != Sense 4 ICS please understand that ICS is not as bad as Sense makes it and while I don't like Sense, this new version -- other than the multitasking -- is not as intrusive as previous ones.
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Gingerbread?
Op just use ftl launcher might get u what your looking for
I rememeber back in the OG Evo days we had a few ports of different versions of Sense. Was wondering if anyone is currently working on any. Asking because just got my replacement 3D from Assurion and updated to ICS & Sense 3.6. And I have to say WOW! It's like a whole different phone and it just reminds me just how much Sense 4 blows! No lag, real multitasking... I can't believe this is the same phone from a year ago. Sense 3.6 on the LTE would be perfect. Sense 4 is the worst creation ever.
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I rememeber back in the OG Evo days we had a few ports of different versions of Sense. Was wondering if anyone is currently working on any. Asking because just got my replacement 3D from Assurion and updated to ICS & Sense 3.6. And I have to say WOW! It's like a whole different phone and it just reminds me just how much Sense 4 blows! No lag, real multitasking... I can't believe this is the same phone from a year ago. Sense 3.6 on the LTE would be perfect. Sense 4 is the worst creation ever.
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yeah port Sense 3.6 to the EVO LTE.....ummmmm right.......:cyclops:
u send me ur LTE and keep ur 3D then and well call it a deal. lol
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yeah port Sense 3.6 to the EVO LTE.....ummmmm right.......:cyclops:
u send me ur LTE and keep ur 3D then and well call it a deal. lol
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LOL! But honestly I don't really see any improvements. Looks almost the same but 3.6 runs wayyy smoother and it has "real" multitasking. Not this pitiful excuse that HTC threw into 4. I think 3.6 with our specs would be better. Used to love Sense until this version. Guess its back to Apex and Fancy widgets.
Those sense ports were sense upgrades. Nobody spends time going backwards
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LOL! But honestly I don't really see any improvements. Looks almost the same but 3.6 runs wayyy smoother and it has "real" multitasking. Not this pitiful excuse that HTC threw into 4. I think 3.6 with our specs would be better. Used to love Sense until this version. Guess its back to Apex and Fancy widgets.
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Everything you're saying is just... wrong. 3.6 definitely wouldn't be smoother. 3.6 would not run any better on our specs than Sense 4.0 does.
I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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Everything you're saying is just... wrong. 3.6 definitely wouldn't be smoother. 3.6 would not run any better on our specs than Sense 4.0 does.
I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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+1 Seriously the people that complain about it daily need to just trade in their EVO's and get an SGS III or an iPhone
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Well in the case of this thread, the OP was using multitasking as a reason to ask whether 3.6 ports were possible. Not just to complain. And honestly, I find it to be a valid argument if the inferior EVO 3D can run 3.6 smoother than our phones run 4.0. That makes no sense!
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Well in the case of this thread, the OP was using multitasking as a reason to ask whether 3.6 ports were possible. Not just to complain. And honestly, I find it to be a valid argument if the inferior EVO 3D can run 3.6 smoother than our phones run 4.0. That makes no sense!
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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Smoother doesn't just mean flicking the screen back and fourth and watching the pretty animations ...smooth to me means an app behaving like it was meant to, I.e. only having to open it one time . Oh there I go *****ing about the stock product I paid good money for not working as advertised. Thank you CMX team for pulling HTCs slack. Hey HTC, how about send them what they need to fix the camera and my phone will be perfect
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I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.....All kinds of THIS, lol
I said this before in another thread in the Q&A section that suggested the same thing. It would be like buying a PC right now with Windows 7 and eligible for a FREE upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases, but instead wiping it out completely and putting Vista on it.
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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I said this before in another thread in the Q&A section that suggested the same thing. It would be like buying a PC right now with Windows 7 and eligible for a FREE upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases, but instead wiping it out completely and putting Vista on it.
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I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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Sense 3.0->3.6->4.0 is not analogous with Windows XP->Vista->7.... Just saying, who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6?
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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That's why I didn't use Vista to XP as an example. If you have brand new computer right now with Windows 7 on it, and you're getting a free upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases (knowing nothing about problems that may occur), would you really take the computer and run VISTA of all operating systems? No, I wouldn't.
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Sense 3.0->3.6->4.0 is not analogous with Windows XP->Vista->7.... Just saying, who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6?
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Why isnt it? Each was an upgrade from a previous version. I don't know who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6 but I know a whole lot of people who went back to XP from Vista. The bottom line is "IMO" 3.6 runs better on the 3D than our LTE runs 4.0 Not too mention I don't see what if any real improvements 4 brought to table over 3.6. If anything it screwed stuff up. If it was possible I for one would hop back to 3.6 in a flash. You can keep this ram hogging, broken multitasking 4 version.
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Why isnt it? Each was an upgrade from a previous version. I don't know who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6 but I know a whole lot of people who went back to XP from Vista. The bottom line is "IMO" 3.6 runs better on the 3D than our LTE runs 4.0 Not too mention I don't see what if any real improvements 4 brought to table over 3.6. If anything it screwed stuff up. If it was possible I for one would hop back to 3.6 in a flash. You can keep this ram hogging, broken multitasking 4 version.
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Amen
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Someone close this thread because it's really going no where...
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Smoother doesn't just mean flicking the screen back and fourth and watching the pretty animations ...smooth to me means an app behaving like it was meant to, I.e. only having to open it one time . Oh there I go *****ing about the stock product I paid good money for not working as advertised. Thank you CMX team for pulling HTCs slack. Hey HTC, how about send them what they need to fix the camera and my phone will be perfect
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Well then, smooth to you means differently to what smooth actually means.
And it's not that it's wrong to complain about something that isn't perfect about a phone. But we know that it's a problem. That doesn't mean we have to like it. That doesn't mean that it isn't a bad thing. But complaining about it endlessly serves absolutely no purpose.
"Not working as advertised" is also a misguided statement, as it was never advertised that the phone would be completely perfect and devoid of software errors that can presumably be fixed.
It's the complaining that has to stop. Every single member of this forum is aware of the multitasking issue. It's been discussed to hell and back. It's time to acknowledge that we're all aware of this and either try to find a way to fix it or just shut up about it.
And I find it humorous how 9 out of 10 people here rant and rave about how they don't need stock and the developers here are better than HTC and so on and so forth but they'll still complain about problems that a stock phone has. You have different ways of dealing with this problem and you have the tools to prevent this from happening (for example, AOSP) and yet you still complain. And again, that solves nothing.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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Yeah, I have. And I'm saying that you are wrong.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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I would be a pretty penny that someone on either this site or on Craigslist is willing to trade you an EVO 3D for your EVO 4G LTE if you want to go that route. The fact of the matter is, the developers we have probably aren't going to waste a lot of time (that, in all fairness, will be required) trying to develop a downgraded version of Sense for this phone. Unless you can convince one of the developers that it's a good idea, or pay him/her to make this request possible, you'll need to learn to code it yourself and make it work. The majority of this board is anticipating Android 4.1 with whatever new perks HTC throws in when that update arrives, not about adding a last-gen overlay to a next-gen device.
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I would be a pretty penny that someone on either this site or on Craigslist is willing to trade you an EVO 3D for your EVO 4G LTE if you want to go that route. The fact of the matter is, the developers we have probably aren't going to waste a lot of time (that, in all fairness, will be required) trying to develop a downgraded version of Sense for this phone. Unless you can convince one of the developers that it's a good idea, or pay him/her to make this request possible, you'll need to learn to code it yourself and make it work. The majority of this board is anticipating Android 4.1 with whatever new perks HTC throws in when that update arrives, not about adding a last-gen overlay to a next-gen device.
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Fair enough. That was the original point of the post anyway. Seeing if it was possible to port another version of Sense. Then everyone got up in arms like they personally coded Sense 4 and was somehow offended because it is extremely flawed. Oh and if the HTC perks are anything like what we got with ICS on this phone I wouldn't hold my breath.
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I recently upgraded my brother's Rezound to ICS and was expecting a huge increase in UI navigation frame rate or smoothness. I gave him Vigor360 which is based off the OTA so there aren't any gingerbread crumbs lying around. However, I was a bit confused to see that smoothness really hadn't improved much if at all. On Sense UI it's understandable because I doubt they'd change the core programming to support ICS's graphics acceleration, but even Apex and Nova Launcher were sluggish.
Meanwhile the galaxy nexus soars on ICS. Hardware wise, these phones are somewhat similarly matched; the Rezound carries a more capable GPU while the CPU architecture of the Galaxy Nexus delivers better dual core performance. Both are pushing the same number of pixels too, 1280x720.
So why does the Rezound stutter so much more? You'd think the graphics drivers would be properly updated by HTC or Qualcomm for an official update. My intention is not to bash the Rezound in any way, I am simply seeking information.
Rezound ICS is sense bloated. The nexus has none of that bloat so it of course is much smoother.
yeah it's pretty much sense that bloats it up.
but even the AOSP roms on here are still noticably laggier than the nexus too, but devs are working stuff out for them i think
That and the Rezound was designed with Sense in mind and the software shows it. While the Galaxy NEXUS (key word) is what ICS was designed and optimized to run its absolute best on. It's a Google phone the.software and hardware were designed together. I'm sorry if I took it wrong here but I kinda took offense to the OP on behalf of our devs.
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Install the latest adreno drivers problem solved
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I got done comparing Sense and AOSP to AOSP on the Galaxy S2, and discovered that Sense has more of a smooth slow fastness to it, while AOSP is more like lightning.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31398307 heres the link to the drivers
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Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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I got done comparing Sense and AOSP to AOSP on the Galaxy S2, and discovered that Sense has more of a smooth slow fastness to it, while AOSP is more like lightning.
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lol...that's an interesting way of putting it!
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Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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From what I've gathered they work on both. Tell him to do a nand backup tho just in case
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The drivers work on any ROM
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Div033 said:
Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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I'm on vigor360 and I have no lag on Sense. I can scroll side to side, pull down the status bar and there is no lag. Maybe its the amount of stuff he's added to the homescreen? I keep mine fairly light.
Also another thing to try if he's using Apex, is to go into settings and change the minimum scrolling time for the homescreen and app drawer from 0 to somewhere between 12-15, that eliminated all the lag for me.
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I just downloaded and flashed the drivers from that link; I'm positive I'm now seeing a large increase in the speed of XDA loading and navigating my home screens. After flashing the new drivers would it make sense for me to see a noticeable difference? Or am I imagining it? Also, if I flash a new ROM in the future will I have to flash that zip again? Also, because the phone runs more smoothly, will battery life decrease faster while moving through the phone?
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I just downloaded and flashed the drivers from that link; I'm positive I'm now seeing a large increase in the speed of XDA loading and navigating my home screens. After flashing the new drivers would it make sense for me to see a noticeable difference? Or am I imagining it? Also, if I flash a new ROM in the future will I have to flash that zip again? Also, because the phone runs more smoothly, will battery life decrease faster while moving through the phone?
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yes it should be a noticeable upgrade! Well that depends if they have included it I'm sure in the future they will...It shouldnt decrease battery life in any way.
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Also another thing to try if he's using Apex, is to go into settings and change the minimum scrolling time for the homescreen and app drawer from 0 to somewhere between 12-15, that eliminated all the lag for me.
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This made a big difference for me in snappiness when switching screens...go figure. Thanks!
A concise explanation is that qualcomms drivers don't accelerate a lot of different types of drawing. There are some newer drivers around the web that add more acceleration. Hopefully jellybean motivates Qualcomm to put full acceleration in like the ti omap 4460 sgx540 in the galaxy nexus and the tegra 3 in the nexus 7 and many other devices. People can hate on nvidia but their android graphics drivers for ICS and jellybean are rock solid. Way smoother in ICS on the transformer prime I played with in the store then my friends epic 4g touch is in cm9 even with the low resolution screen and the exynos. Tegra 3 does amazing on my nexus 7 in jellybean as does the omap 4460 in my nexus. Little to no lag at all.
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I think the real simple answer is HTC didn't have ICS in mind with this phone, and therefore didn't put much effort into it. It's more of a, "Look! We follow through with updates! Buy our ****!" thing.
No lag on Nilsp Business Sense 3.6 or Ineffible Deus ROMS for me. Even on stock kernal.
...just sayin....
Samsung devices generally have more muscular graphics. My girlfriend's Samsung Stratosphere, an inferior device by nearly every measure, scores just about even with my Rezound on graphics benchmarks. I'd fully expect a more modern Samsung to show an edge up against the Rezound.
Dear Devs,
Android 4.4 is out and will support our devices too. Any one to work on to support our beloved Optimus One or All developers moved to a high end device already.
Thanks,
Kiran Kumar
Ya Google said that the low end android smartphones having at least 512mb of ram can run Kitkat smoothly. It will be new birth to our beloved Lg optimus one
Waiting for our developers reaction.
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Here's a portion of what cyanogenmod posted on facebook..
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3ncrypt3d_Droid said:
Here's a portion of what cyanogenmod posted on facebook..
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But... what about porting AOSP rom ?)
OMG, but one problem all developers are to lazy work with this legacy device! Sorry am bad English
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Guys
We got a new problem .
Google's new launcher doesn't work without google now
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Guys
We got a new problem .
Google's new launcher doesn't work without google now
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that's not a problem.
-_-
You are like "I want that new 4.4 thingy, i don't know the new features but who cares cos it's New! Yeee ^_^ make it work make it".
Don't get me wrong but,
GB or 2.3.x was the best Android OS for our p500, well i still believe it is.
Why?
Cos there wasn't any Fc's, no post like "oh nooo camera image sh1ty", no malfunction on hardware level nor software,
Some dev, cavemen i believe was his name, fixed our multitouch problem, i don't think this fix was implemented on ics or jb since i've never found any evidence for it, test with "multitouch app" see what i mean.
The ICS is still in development, 4.2 JB has reached his final build, 4.3 has started it's dev.
With ICS we got less free ram, less free storage space but we gained better UI, kinda, and most important better system compatibility. Battery was somewhat intact.
With JB 4.2 we got the 3.0 kernel, more functionality and great battery drain but huge with wifi on. Less ram again, less space, new bugs, and the end of p500 gaming era xD.
Custom Rom numbers have fallen a lot too.
My point was,
Isn't better to optimize / perfect the ICS and Jb for our p500 instead of demanding new builds?
New doesn't mean better trough
(i find Talho and Ginger DX best Roms, Talho as you know for gaming and Ginger as the best customized rom, so much functionality. But I'm running JB only cos gives me the BEST sound quality.)
Cheers.
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Is the new google experience launcher work? I mean does it at least work at the basic level?
please don't expect nexus 4 or nexus 5 functions shinny gimmick but if at least the basic feature of a launcher works then it is little improvement
to experience the feel of newer OS
as for the comment about perfecting 4.0 or 4.2
I am a bit in the middle with that .
because usually newer code is cleaner, thus more efficient, and who knows it maybe backward port friendly
and I think our development for 4.0 and 4.2 has reached is max because of the kernel limitation (correct me if I am wrong)
trying to port 4.4 would be an interesting hack In my opinion . a challange
and proof of concept I know software developer / programmer likes to proof their concept
they like challenge
try and get the google experience launcher here
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/31/download-and-install-the-new-google-experience-launcher/
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Guys
We got a new problem .
Google's new launcher doesn't work without google now
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Velvet will fix this
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Interesting. Since I have few months only testing roms, i think that every new android version has to wait, is like mw sais, is not a race to get it first, is to wait until a well done version being released. And (in my case) can't urge the developers to get new roms if we only wait for it and don't help with the build. If you want a 4.4 version now, start studying, learning and do it for yourself. Other people have different priorities.
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Interesting. Since I have few months only testing roms, i think that every new android version has to wait, is like mw sais, is not a race to get it first, is to wait until a well done version being released. And (in my case) can't urge the developers to get new roms if we only wait for it and don't help with the build. If you want a 4.4 version now, start studying, learning and do it for yourself. Other people have different priorities.
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But the source is not available for armv6 devices ...so we have to wait
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I think that cm will be habit late so why don't you drvs start with another ROM! Maybe simple aosp or a better one slimkat which is already out for nexus 4. I believe that slimkat will fit our phone perfectly as it is slim and needs less system storage.
Thx in advance! Devs are making a valuable effort! Hats off for them!
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another version of google launcher
this time it is XDA version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506488
Velvet FCs for me. Problem may well be an armv7 jni once again. Those FCs make the launcher really fun.
There is a launcher3.apk around which bypasses the Google Now business.
Will 4.4 run on our devices? Really?
Two problems:
Armv6! Pre-compiled closed source stuff for armv7. Just like before.
Room on /system for various new libraries. I am trying them on sdext with symlinks. This is Linux so this should work. This is Android so who knows?
Newer gapps and components are bigger than ever. Sort of contradicts all the buzz.
I was wrong ..
Most of the people are using it as a primary phones :thumbup::thumbup:
Thats good
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My point was,
Isn't better to optimize / perfect the ICS and Jb for our p500 instead of demanding new builds?
New doesn't mean better trough
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But I think that this time it will mean better. Because this version has been made to run on lower end devices, devices with less RAM and processing power. If Dev's are trying to create the perfect 4.x.x ROM for the P500: this very well might be it.
I think we'll have to wait before judging 4.4 as a just a bloated resource hog on this device. It may very well be the complete opposite.
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But I think that this time it will mean better. Because this version has been made to run on lower end devices, devices with less RAM and processing power. If Dev's are trying to create the perfect 4.x.x ROM for the P500: this very well might be it.
I think we'll have to wait before judging 4.4 as a just a bloated resource hog on this device. It may very well be the complete opposite.
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Here's an interesting article : http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...rtably-on-512MB-RAM-devices-heres-how_id49099
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Here's an interesting article : http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...rtably-on-512MB-RAM-devices-heres-how_id49099
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Exactly. Project Svelte is what I was referring to. So we should see some better performance than with Jelly Bean.
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But I think that this time it will mean better. Because this version has been made to run on lower end devices, devices with less RAM and processing power. If Dev's are trying to create the perfect 4.x.x ROM for the P500: this very well might be it.
I think we'll have to wait before judging 4.4 as a just a bloated resource hog on this device. It may very well be the complete opposite.
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Perhaps.
Never said something like useless.
And getting high expect = won't get disappointed at the end.
So kitkat4.4 would have better performance then JB?
I mean, CM team spend time porting/dev JB ROM to our, well I might as say old, p500 and couldn't perfect it, greatest issues still are camera/battery/more space same storage, as android versions progress more and more storage space is taken, as well as ram usage.
And now somehow, google will make 4.4 universal build with all features from previous versions?
Google hasn't made any ICS or JB p500 specific ROM then it would take so much time.
But, making universal builds for phones-alike would be better option but builds won't be phone specific optimized.
I doubt kitkat's realization. It's a nice though but imagine the number of phones that still run on ROMs under JB.
EDIT: (source: xda and wiki)
"video playback performance issues due to missing libraries for hardware assisted decoding since ICS"
Would this be fixed? I remember now, I could never watched those Naruto downloaded ep's, video playback was like 1frame-per-sec (online streaming still fine)