I recently upgraded my brother's Rezound to ICS and was expecting a huge increase in UI navigation frame rate or smoothness. I gave him Vigor360 which is based off the OTA so there aren't any gingerbread crumbs lying around. However, I was a bit confused to see that smoothness really hadn't improved much if at all. On Sense UI it's understandable because I doubt they'd change the core programming to support ICS's graphics acceleration, but even Apex and Nova Launcher were sluggish.
Meanwhile the galaxy nexus soars on ICS. Hardware wise, these phones are somewhat similarly matched; the Rezound carries a more capable GPU while the CPU architecture of the Galaxy Nexus delivers better dual core performance. Both are pushing the same number of pixels too, 1280x720.
So why does the Rezound stutter so much more? You'd think the graphics drivers would be properly updated by HTC or Qualcomm for an official update. My intention is not to bash the Rezound in any way, I am simply seeking information.
Rezound ICS is sense bloated. The nexus has none of that bloat so it of course is much smoother.
yeah it's pretty much sense that bloats it up.
but even the AOSP roms on here are still noticably laggier than the nexus too, but devs are working stuff out for them i think
That and the Rezound was designed with Sense in mind and the software shows it. While the Galaxy NEXUS (key word) is what ICS was designed and optimized to run its absolute best on. It's a Google phone the.software and hardware were designed together. I'm sorry if I took it wrong here but I kinda took offense to the OP on behalf of our devs.
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Install the latest adreno drivers problem solved
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I got done comparing Sense and AOSP to AOSP on the Galaxy S2, and discovered that Sense has more of a smooth slow fastness to it, while AOSP is more like lightning.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31398307 heres the link to the drivers
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Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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I got done comparing Sense and AOSP to AOSP on the Galaxy S2, and discovered that Sense has more of a smooth slow fastness to it, while AOSP is more like lightning.
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lol...that's an interesting way of putting it!
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Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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From what I've gathered they work on both. Tell him to do a nand backup tho just in case
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Thanks for the responses everyone. This really helps.
It is not my intention to offend any rezound users, most especially the devs. I know the incredible amount of work they put into the mods and ROMs they provide for free. If I'm slandering anyone, it's HTC and/or Qualcomm. Its because of them the devs have to try and find ways to make things smoother in the first place. I apologize of anyone was offended.
I know this phone was developed with sense in mind and with sense comes a lot of bloat. I considered this to be a reason for the lag, but I still find this unacceptable for such a large company.
I will inform him of the adreno driver update and walk him through how to install them. Thanks for that tidbit of info!
Edit: are these drivers for aosp only or do they work on sense too?
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I'm on vigor360 and I have no lag on Sense. I can scroll side to side, pull down the status bar and there is no lag. Maybe its the amount of stuff he's added to the homescreen? I keep mine fairly light.
Also another thing to try if he's using Apex, is to go into settings and change the minimum scrolling time for the homescreen and app drawer from 0 to somewhere between 12-15, that eliminated all the lag for me.
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I just downloaded and flashed the drivers from that link; I'm positive I'm now seeing a large increase in the speed of XDA loading and navigating my home screens. After flashing the new drivers would it make sense for me to see a noticeable difference? Or am I imagining it? Also, if I flash a new ROM in the future will I have to flash that zip again? Also, because the phone runs more smoothly, will battery life decrease faster while moving through the phone?
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I just downloaded and flashed the drivers from that link; I'm positive I'm now seeing a large increase in the speed of XDA loading and navigating my home screens. After flashing the new drivers would it make sense for me to see a noticeable difference? Or am I imagining it? Also, if I flash a new ROM in the future will I have to flash that zip again? Also, because the phone runs more smoothly, will battery life decrease faster while moving through the phone?
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yes it should be a noticeable upgrade! Well that depends if they have included it I'm sure in the future they will...It shouldnt decrease battery life in any way.
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Also another thing to try if he's using Apex, is to go into settings and change the minimum scrolling time for the homescreen and app drawer from 0 to somewhere between 12-15, that eliminated all the lag for me.
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This made a big difference for me in snappiness when switching screens...go figure. Thanks!
A concise explanation is that qualcomms drivers don't accelerate a lot of different types of drawing. There are some newer drivers around the web that add more acceleration. Hopefully jellybean motivates Qualcomm to put full acceleration in like the ti omap 4460 sgx540 in the galaxy nexus and the tegra 3 in the nexus 7 and many other devices. People can hate on nvidia but their android graphics drivers for ICS and jellybean are rock solid. Way smoother in ICS on the transformer prime I played with in the store then my friends epic 4g touch is in cm9 even with the low resolution screen and the exynos. Tegra 3 does amazing on my nexus 7 in jellybean as does the omap 4460 in my nexus. Little to no lag at all.
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I think the real simple answer is HTC didn't have ICS in mind with this phone, and therefore didn't put much effort into it. It's more of a, "Look! We follow through with updates! Buy our ****!" thing.
No lag on Nilsp Business Sense 3.6 or Ineffible Deus ROMS for me. Even on stock kernal.
...just sayin....
Samsung devices generally have more muscular graphics. My girlfriend's Samsung Stratosphere, an inferior device by nearly every measure, scores just about even with my Rezound on graphics benchmarks. I'd fully expect a more modern Samsung to show an edge up against the Rezound.
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Is there a time HTC announced yet for the official firmware ? Like Summer 2012 , Fall 2012 ??
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No official date, but I believe they said "early in 2012"
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HTC stated in the first quarter (Q1) of 2012. Meaning Jan-March.
What's the hurry?? there are still many apps that haven't been updated, there are may things in the air about it and its best to get it when all the bugs are ironed out.
People need to be more patient....
Okay thanks for the information
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Q1 is almost over.
Jellybean will be out before we get ICS
first week of april for sure. jelly bean is way to far. its dual OS android 5 plus google it will be interesting to see what jelly bean gota offer. the wait is on
It's the last week in April. Nothing yet...
I just hope they increase the response time of the camera. As-is that is my ONLY complaint. I miss a lot of great shots because of the lag between when I click the button and when it actually takes the shot.
Its unknown for now, all we can do is wait.
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It's the last week in April. Nothing yet...
I just hope they increase the response time of the camera. As-is that is my ONLY complaint. I miss a lot of great shots because of the lag between when I click the button and when it actually takes the shot.
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Same here. I was able to reduce it by changing the review time (of the shot) to off. Also, if you have the Amaze camera (MeanRom I know has it) the lag is a little shorter than that. Hopefully ICS can help in that aspect!
Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
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Is there a time HTC announced yet for the official firmware ? Like Summer 2012 , Fall 2012 ??
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In the coming weeks.
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In the coming weeks.
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Turning out to be in the coming year.
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Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
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Umm each iteration works more towards this... Ios is so smooth because it uses hardware acceleration, something that is only just becoming possible with ICS on Android. Sit back and trust that Google might just have common sense too.
I think I've heard something about getting ICS some when in June.
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Google should fix Gingerbread or other versions and make it smooth and fast like iOS. Not release these updates because all of them uses alot of memory and uses cpu more than other operating systems. Iphone with 1ghz cpu and 512ram is almost the same as S II what is the fastest phone. Af course you have a lot options for Android. Different ROMS, Kernels and other things but Google should work more on system. They should make it smooth, bug free and stable as hell. And they should make one system that runs smooth even on low-end devices. Right now Android is just a big mess, a lot versions but it's getting better from one side but going down from other side. Sorry if my english hurts your eyes.
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Android can do true multitasking. This no something ios does. They added multitasking in ios 4 I believe but it doesn't compare to how well android does it. Strip out the multitasking and I bet android is a hell of a lot smoother.
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Android can do true multitasking. This no something ios does. They added multitasking in ios 4 I believe but it doesn't compare to how well android does it. Strip out the multitasking and I bet android is a hell of a lot smoother.
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Still I can't wait the ICS update for Evo 3D. I hope it will be here soon.
They announced It's coming out tomorrow at 11:11 am.
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If i not wrong, its around may-june end of may or first june
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OK, so I'm no developer or anything (willing to learn, but I don't want to distract any devs ), but I wanted to get some momentum going for job on our flyers! It looks just amazing! And wth the nexus 7 coming soon, we have a chance to port it I feel! I know that the days of developing on the flyer forum are dark, especially with lee gone for a while as well as others, nut I feel like we can still pull this off! We can start discussions on this forum or merge with the dev ics one, I just felt like we needed the push to do it. God bless everyone developing the flyer, and great job so far, especially with ics Lisbon! Love it! Thanks for reading, I hope you consider this
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OK, so I'm no developer or anything (willing to learn, but I don't want to distract any devs ), but I wanted to get some momentum going for job on our flyers! It looks just amazing! And wth the nexus 7 coming soon, we have a chance to port it I feel! I know that the days of developing on the flyer forum are dark, especially with lee gone for a while as well as others, nut I feel like we can still pull this off! We can start discussions on this forum or merge with the dev ics one, I just felt like we needed the push to do it. God bless everyone developing the flyer, and great job so far, especially with ics Lisbon! Love it! Thanks for reading, I hope you consider this
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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Yeah, I knew chaos is on vacation, plus he will have a huge demand on ics Lisbon I imagine too. Maybe future jelly bean builds will be easier to build from too, but I do think this can and should be able to be done!
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Honestly I would just wait until source is out..
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AS far as i am aware a port from the nexus 7 would be hard as it is different hardware (CPU MAINLY), this can cause difficulty however it might be worth giving a try but we need to wait until the kernel development king returns (CHAOS) so hopefully he will have some ideas
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Well, the Tegra 3 is STILL Arm Cortex A9 cores. Only the Qualcomm Snapdragons have slightly different cores like Krait (aka 8960) which might need optimization and I am sure Qualcomm has then and will release their custom kernel when their JB products are in the market.
Just to maintain focus on simpler things in life. I am sure Chaos would appreciate, the momentum of Lisbon 1.2 is there and there is not much more to go really. The only major thing is really BT but that might have restrictions on calling for those with 3G flyer. For wifi only Flyers, keyboard support and headset support would be very welcomed. For people who has used this ROM, they must admit that the experience is greatest ever for any ROM on the working parts. So, if we can get stability and a few more functions working, we are home free!.
For Pen support, I think it is of little priority since the original Pen functionality are limited, so very seldom used.
PS: I would be very keen to see a more updated kernel in the build unless someone says, there is not much in terms of functionality we can expect, nor speed, nor Free RAM. In fact, there has not been a problem with free RAM on the flyer to date that I know of. As it is, this development is already amazing! :victory:
İ will definitely not port a N7 image, very near to impossible. İ will only work on the source code of JB, not using ports.
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İ will definitely not port a N7 image, very near to impossible. İ will only work on the source code of JB, not using ports.
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I hope we get fully working ICS somday... We even dont have that with HC
JellyBean 4.1.1 got released today (winfuture.de News)
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Let's ask drew garen
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I rememeber back in the OG Evo days we had a few ports of different versions of Sense. Was wondering if anyone is currently working on any. Asking because just got my replacement 3D from Assurion and updated to ICS & Sense 3.6. And I have to say WOW! It's like a whole different phone and it just reminds me just how much Sense 4 blows! No lag, real multitasking... I can't believe this is the same phone from a year ago. Sense 3.6 on the LTE would be perfect. Sense 4 is the worst creation ever.
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I rememeber back in the OG Evo days we had a few ports of different versions of Sense. Was wondering if anyone is currently working on any. Asking because just got my replacement 3D from Assurion and updated to ICS & Sense 3.6. And I have to say WOW! It's like a whole different phone and it just reminds me just how much Sense 4 blows! No lag, real multitasking... I can't believe this is the same phone from a year ago. Sense 3.6 on the LTE would be perfect. Sense 4 is the worst creation ever.
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yeah port Sense 3.6 to the EVO LTE.....ummmmm right.......:cyclops:
u send me ur LTE and keep ur 3D then and well call it a deal. lol
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yeah port Sense 3.6 to the EVO LTE.....ummmmm right.......:cyclops:
u send me ur LTE and keep ur 3D then and well call it a deal. lol
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LOL! But honestly I don't really see any improvements. Looks almost the same but 3.6 runs wayyy smoother and it has "real" multitasking. Not this pitiful excuse that HTC threw into 4. I think 3.6 with our specs would be better. Used to love Sense until this version. Guess its back to Apex and Fancy widgets.
Those sense ports were sense upgrades. Nobody spends time going backwards
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LOL! But honestly I don't really see any improvements. Looks almost the same but 3.6 runs wayyy smoother and it has "real" multitasking. Not this pitiful excuse that HTC threw into 4. I think 3.6 with our specs would be better. Used to love Sense until this version. Guess its back to Apex and Fancy widgets.
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Everything you're saying is just... wrong. 3.6 definitely wouldn't be smoother. 3.6 would not run any better on our specs than Sense 4.0 does.
I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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Everything you're saying is just... wrong. 3.6 definitely wouldn't be smoother. 3.6 would not run any better on our specs than Sense 4.0 does.
I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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+1 Seriously the people that complain about it daily need to just trade in their EVO's and get an SGS III or an iPhone
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Well in the case of this thread, the OP was using multitasking as a reason to ask whether 3.6 ports were possible. Not just to complain. And honestly, I find it to be a valid argument if the inferior EVO 3D can run 3.6 smoother than our phones run 4.0. That makes no sense!
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Well in the case of this thread, the OP was using multitasking as a reason to ask whether 3.6 ports were possible. Not just to complain. And honestly, I find it to be a valid argument if the inferior EVO 3D can run 3.6 smoother than our phones run 4.0. That makes no sense!
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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Smoother doesn't just mean flicking the screen back and fourth and watching the pretty animations ...smooth to me means an app behaving like it was meant to, I.e. only having to open it one time . Oh there I go *****ing about the stock product I paid good money for not working as advertised. Thank you CMX team for pulling HTCs slack. Hey HTC, how about send them what they need to fix the camera and my phone will be perfect
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I can't wait for someone to fix this multitasking so that people can stop *****ing about it. I'm seriously getting sick of it. If you don't like it, find a way to fix it yourself, run AOSP, or get a different phone. Complaining endlessly about how the multitasking isn't perfect isn't doing a damn thing. We know that it's a problem. But it seems like we have a handful of threads every day of people complaining about it. And guess what? It doesn't contribute one bit to fixing it.
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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.....All kinds of THIS, lol
I said this before in another thread in the Q&A section that suggested the same thing. It would be like buying a PC right now with Windows 7 and eligible for a FREE upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases, but instead wiping it out completely and putting Vista on it.
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It doesn't run smoother than 4.0 in our phones.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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I said this before in another thread in the Q&A section that suggested the same thing. It would be like buying a PC right now with Windows 7 and eligible for a FREE upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases, but instead wiping it out completely and putting Vista on it.
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I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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Sense 3.0->3.6->4.0 is not analogous with Windows XP->Vista->7.... Just saying, who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6?
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
I bought a Vista computer soon as it was released and was back on XP within a couple days? Why? Because at that time XP worked wayyyy better than Vista. Your analogy isn't right. Just because something is a upgrade doesn't mean it works better. Now eventually they got the bugs worked out of Vista and it was better but not in the begining. Which is what I am seeing with Sense 4 when compared with 3.6.
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That's why I didn't use Vista to XP as an example. If you have brand new computer right now with Windows 7 on it, and you're getting a free upgrade to Windows 8 when it releases (knowing nothing about problems that may occur), would you really take the computer and run VISTA of all operating systems? No, I wouldn't.
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Sense 3.0->3.6->4.0 is not analogous with Windows XP->Vista->7.... Just saying, who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6?
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Why isnt it? Each was an upgrade from a previous version. I don't know who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6 but I know a whole lot of people who went back to XP from Vista. The bottom line is "IMO" 3.6 runs better on the 3D than our LTE runs 4.0 Not too mention I don't see what if any real improvements 4 brought to table over 3.6. If anything it screwed stuff up. If it was possible I for one would hop back to 3.6 in a flash. You can keep this ram hogging, broken multitasking 4 version.
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Why isnt it? Each was an upgrade from a previous version. I don't know who would go back to 3.0 from 3.6 but I know a whole lot of people who went back to XP from Vista. The bottom line is "IMO" 3.6 runs better on the 3D than our LTE runs 4.0 Not too mention I don't see what if any real improvements 4 brought to table over 3.6. If anything it screwed stuff up. If it was possible I for one would hop back to 3.6 in a flash. You can keep this ram hogging, broken multitasking 4 version.
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Amen
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Someone close this thread because it's really going no where...
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Smoother doesn't just mean flicking the screen back and fourth and watching the pretty animations ...smooth to me means an app behaving like it was meant to, I.e. only having to open it one time . Oh there I go *****ing about the stock product I paid good money for not working as advertised. Thank you CMX team for pulling HTCs slack. Hey HTC, how about send them what they need to fix the camera and my phone will be perfect
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Well then, smooth to you means differently to what smooth actually means.
And it's not that it's wrong to complain about something that isn't perfect about a phone. But we know that it's a problem. That doesn't mean we have to like it. That doesn't mean that it isn't a bad thing. But complaining about it endlessly serves absolutely no purpose.
"Not working as advertised" is also a misguided statement, as it was never advertised that the phone would be completely perfect and devoid of software errors that can presumably be fixed.
It's the complaining that has to stop. Every single member of this forum is aware of the multitasking issue. It's been discussed to hell and back. It's time to acknowledge that we're all aware of this and either try to find a way to fix it or just shut up about it.
And I find it humorous how 9 out of 10 people here rant and rave about how they don't need stock and the developers here are better than HTC and so on and so forth but they'll still complain about problems that a stock phone has. You have different ways of dealing with this problem and you have the tools to prevent this from happening (for example, AOSP) and yet you still complain. And again, that solves nothing.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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Yeah, I have. And I'm saying that you are wrong.
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Have you actually played around with a updated 3D running 3.6 & ICS? Didn't think so. I installed the same apps on both phones & have been testing it out for the past few hours & I can say without a doubt that the 3D is wayyyy smother than the LTE running 4. Not just flicking the screen but opening apps and all around performance.
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I would be a pretty penny that someone on either this site or on Craigslist is willing to trade you an EVO 3D for your EVO 4G LTE if you want to go that route. The fact of the matter is, the developers we have probably aren't going to waste a lot of time (that, in all fairness, will be required) trying to develop a downgraded version of Sense for this phone. Unless you can convince one of the developers that it's a good idea, or pay him/her to make this request possible, you'll need to learn to code it yourself and make it work. The majority of this board is anticipating Android 4.1 with whatever new perks HTC throws in when that update arrives, not about adding a last-gen overlay to a next-gen device.
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I would be a pretty penny that someone on either this site or on Craigslist is willing to trade you an EVO 3D for your EVO 4G LTE if you want to go that route. The fact of the matter is, the developers we have probably aren't going to waste a lot of time (that, in all fairness, will be required) trying to develop a downgraded version of Sense for this phone. Unless you can convince one of the developers that it's a good idea, or pay him/her to make this request possible, you'll need to learn to code it yourself and make it work. The majority of this board is anticipating Android 4.1 with whatever new perks HTC throws in when that update arrives, not about adding a last-gen overlay to a next-gen device.
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Fair enough. That was the original point of the post anyway. Seeing if it was possible to port another version of Sense. Then everyone got up in arms like they personally coded Sense 4 and was somehow offended because it is extremely flawed. Oh and if the HTC perks are anything like what we got with ICS on this phone I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Hi I have a question why is android buggy I mean when I compare my s2 to my dad's old iPhone 3gs it's still laggy why is that I've searched why is it like that and found out it's because of the ui rendering but it should be fixed with ICS and JB so why is it still laggy while the iPhone never lags at all
Thanks in advance
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ABD EL HAMEED said:
Hi I have a question why is android buggy I mean when I compare my s2 to my dad's old iPhone 3gs it's still laggy why is that I've searched why is it like that and found out it's because of the ui rendering but it should be fixed with ICS and JB so why is it still laggy while the iPhone never lags at all
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The reason is that iOS is designed for the iPhone hardware. Apple only has one phone, with a set hardware configuration. Android has to work with many different hardware configurations, so it uses generic drivers for everything. Newer end Android phones have virtually no lag as well. If you run the right rom on the S2 it won't lag either.
OK what rooms do you suggest for me that has no lag bear in mind please that I have the G model I don't care if it's going to be a GB ROM or ICS or JB as long as there is no lag at all also I read that android will never have no lags because of the ui rendering because it uses the main thread and doesn't use a secondary thread and it's set to normal priority while iOS sets priority to real time so is it true that android will never be bugless or not (I hope not because I really like an android phone more than an iPhone)
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ABD EL HAMEED said:
OK what rooms do you suggest for me that has no lag bear in mind please that I have the G model I don't care if it's going to be a GB ROM or ICS or JB as long as there is no lag at all also I read that android will never have no lags because of the ui rendering because it uses the main thread and doesn't use a secondary thread and it's set to normal priority while iOS sets priority to real time so is it true that android will never be bugless or not (I hope not because I really like an android phone more than an iPhone)
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Download and use cyanogenmod, it's awesome, it will give you stock UI it will also reduce lag alot! + it will give you much more customization.. I love cyanogenmod :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010985 - cyanogenmod 10.1 (will give you android 4.2) (this is for GT-I9100G as you had told us) :good:
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Download and use cyanogenmod, it's awesome, it will give you stock UI it will also reduce lag alot! + it will give you much more customization.. I love cyanogenmod :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010985 - cyanogenmod 10.1 (will give you android 4.2) (this is for GT-I9100G as you had told us) :good:
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OK I tried it once and it was smooth as you said but I still saw some lag some times I'm talking about total smoothness like an iPhone, and I'm currently trying slim bean and will post results
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OK I tried it once and it was smooth as you said but I still saw some lag some times I'm talking about total smoothness like an iPhone, and I'm currently trying slim bean and will post results
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Total smoothness can be achieved in GingerBread Roms, try it
_hito_ said:
Total smoothness can be achieved in GingerBread Roms, try it
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OK I'll see
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iOS is designed to match the hardware configuration of specific iPhone but Android Os doesnt do the same.
Samsung Galaxy 3
Kyrillos rom v9.7.1
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sarcasticsmartass said:
iOS is designed to match the hardware configuration of specific iPhone but Android Os doesnt do the same.
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Actually, IOS is also "laggy" when you install some new IOS on the old device. My iPod Touch started to lag after I upgraded from IOS 2.0 to IOS 4.3, and battery life decreased dramatically.
OK I know that iOS lags when you install a new version on an older device berceuse I did it with my dad's old iPhone 3GS when iOS 5 came out but that's because the hardware it self can't stand it and if it's all hardware compatibility can you do some thing in android os so it can work better lag less make it work Better with the hardware
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Here...o-remain-like-that-in-the-near-future_id24434 plus in this web page I found that android was laggy because of ui render so what's with that can some body explain it to me
Plus is android laggier than iOS because of the many options and customizations you have so the system is more complex
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Also what are generic drivers
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http://www.cultofmac.com/133624/why-android-will-always-be-laggier-than-ios/
So as I read this is why android is laggy and that's why it's gonna stay like that it turns out for android to be completely smooth it has rewrite the UI framework and that means rewriting every app in the android play store and that will take about a year
Finally I know why android is laggier than IOS
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ABD EL HAMEED said:
http://www.cultofmac.com/133624/why-android-will-always-be-laggier-than-ios/
So as I read this is why android is laggy and that's why it's gonna stay like that it turns out for android to be completely smooth it has rewrite the UI framework and that means rewriting every app in the android play store and that will take about a year
Finally I know why android is laggier than IOS
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That post is complete bull****.He doesn't have too much knowledge about android(intern for 1 year :laugh , but rather than asking more senior dev's about it he posted it himself.although it seemed convincing din't take me too much time to figure that it was completely nonesense. i have found a post to back me up
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-can-never-be-as-smooth-as-iOS-myth-busted_id26252
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That post is complete bull****.He doesn't have too much knowledge about android(intern for 1 year :laugh , but rather than asking more senior dev's about it he posted it himself.although it seemed convincing din't take me too much time to figure that it was completely nonesense. i have found a post to back me up
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-can-never-be-as-smooth-as-iOS-myth-busted_id26252
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Yes android still has a chance anyway thanks for answering me and yes I don't know anything about development (that's why I started this thread)and also the reason I didn't ask any developer is because I don't know any developers other wise why would I start this thread and no one seemed to answer my questions at all but since I know that the UI stuff is wrong I'm back to my original question why is android kinda laggy compared to IOS and don't tell it's because apple only has one device to focus on while android has alot plz explain more
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ABD EL HAMEED said:
Yes android still has a chance anyway thanks for answering me and yes I don't know anything about development (that's why I started this thread)and also the reason I didn't ask any developer is because I don't know any developers other wise why would I start this thread and no one seemed to answer my questions at all but since I know that the UI stuff is wrong I'm back to my original question why is android kinda laggy compared to IOS and don't tell it's because apple only has one device to focus on while android has alot plz explain more
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To sum it up in basic words, Android uses generic drivers. Apple has to make software for only a specific hardware, Thus their drivers, screen res. etc. they put is only for a specfiic hardware therefore reducing lag... android is expected to work on lots of phones, thus everything is approximate.. Also because android handles more complex tasks such as widgets, live wallpaper etc. Which use up much of the gpu, only little left for other tasks... while ios's gpu has nothing to render except a bunch of icons, so the gpu stays free and is ready for the next action..
Hope this cleared your doubts :highfive:
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TechMasta said:
To sum it up in basic words, Android uses generic drivers. Apple has to make software for only a specific hardware, Thus their drivers, screen res. etc. they put is only for a specfiic hardware therefore reducing lag... android is expected to work on lots of phones, thus everything is approximate.. Also because android handles more complex tasks such as widgets, live wallpaper etc. Which use up much of the gpu, only little left for other tasks... while ios's gpu has nothing to render except a bunch of icons, so the gpu stays free and is ready for the next action..
Hope this cleared your doubts :highfive:
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Thanks for helping and clarifying things for me and you did help
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For iOS, the safe point is the dual core cortex A9 apple A5 chip for a reatively lag free experience even with the most demanding games 2013 titles+ and anyone who says the S2 wouldn't lag is a lier.
Such example is the iPad 2/Mini/4S
The safe point of android is a quad core a15 chip for a reatively lag free experience.
That's because android requires faster hardware to make up for the unoptimised generic drivers.
Such example is the Nexus 4, Nexus 7 2013
MrAndroid12 said:
For iOS, the safe point is the dual core cortex A9 apple A5 chip for a reatively lag free experience even with the most demanding games 2013 titles+ and anyone who says the S2 wouldn't lag is a lier.
Such example is the iPad 2/Mini/4S
The safe point of android is a quad core a15 chip for a reatively lag free experience.
That's because android requires faster hardware to make up for the unoptimised generic drivers.
Such example is the Nexus 4, Nexus 7 2013
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Good point
I knos this is old but my old sensation never lagged , had many roms and stuff on it, also played lots of nova with it,
I got nexus 4 now Anyway
Also i see that iPhone 5s lags,
Even when it doesnt i guess sloe animations cover it ! Takes a year for animations to finish xD
Also iPhone screen res is extremely low so it doesnt need much power also ios has no features to use cpu xD
Anyway i don't know brefore sensation or desire hd but phones i saw after desire hd didnt lag, expect Samsung phones :S even s4 lagged, i saw s3 for test somewhere , SO FREAKING LIQUID SMOOTH lol
Also sometimes user faults make phone lag or bloat war
After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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Exactly what I came to this forum for. If they do release it, can I port it over to my T-Mobile HTC One.
Since the only device announced at I/O was the S4 vanilla edition, I decided waiting around for a Nexus wasn't worthy it. I have the Galaxy Nexus, but I never liked the plastic feel of it and the S4 feels the same way, just with way better specs.
I've always liked HTC devices going back to the Windows Mobile days.
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After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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I think it is true
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-edition-htc-one-coming-soon-vanilla-android
I cant wait I had the nexus 4 and the. Got the I5 for like a week then got the s4
And boy lagged I use my phone's intenively multi taking between navigation texting and browsing and calling all with in seconds of each other while working and both the I5 and s4 could handle it but the One handles it beautifully it's amazing and the building is so mmm
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Sorry lost train of thought I can wait to flash stock and see how much more smoothly it runs with 4.2 lol
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and we will never fully experience this because of S being ON
U can flash already as long as u unlock and flash recovery s on will stay on but ucan still flash roms
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yeah but its not the same thing thought
Hmm.....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...tion-its-real-and-coming-in-summer/?ttag=fbwp
it would be nice to be back on stock but i cant go with out the awesome camera features....
xtkxhom3r said:
it would be nice to be back on stock but i cant go with out the awesome camera features....
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Yeah, I worry about Google's direction to slap AOSP on pre-existing devices (S4/One so far). Sure they don't need to design, engineer and product their own phone (Nexus 4) so from an infrastructure standpoint it makes sense. But once you start porting AOSP to multiple models, it will inevitably slow software releases because Google will have to ensure compatibility with varying hardware. Also, features will be missing that will make people upset (custom camera software, beats, multi-screen, etc).
Sure they will run pure AOSP, but at what cost (feature-wise)? That has me concerned.
Unless HTC/Sammy/Moto? release their highly configured software apps (camera, etc) independently, the AOSP experience on these currently produced devices will leave a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Yeah, I worry about Google's direction to slap AOSP on pre-existing devices (S4/One so far). Sure they don't need to design, engineer and product their own phone (Nexus 4) so from an infrastructure standpoint it makes sense. But once you start porting AOSP to multiple models, it will inevitably slow software releases because Google will have to ensure compatibility with varying hardware. Also, features will be missing that will make people upset (custom camera software, beats, multi-screen, etc).
Sure they will run pure AOSP, but at what cost (feature-wise)? That has me concerned.
Unless HTC/Sammy/Moto? release their highly configured software apps (camera, etc) independently, the AOSP experience on these currently produced devices will leave a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Then don't buy one. More options are always better. IMO
I miss AOSP, but for once I feel there's features on the Sense ROM I don't want to give up. I think they did a really good job and for once I'm not pulling my hair out and needing to root the phone. (That's saying something!)
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57586864/htc-one-nexus-user-experience-confirmed/
It's a reality guys... Really hope that devs can port this for us Tmobile users...
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I miss AOSP, but for once I feel there's features on the Sense ROM I don't want to give up. I think they did a really good job and for once I'm not pulling my hair out and needing to root the phone. (That's saying something!)
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Same goes for me. I could live without the gallery (although nice), beats (there are plenty of EQ apps out there), blink feed, and many others. the one piece i could not go without is the camera software! Sequence shot alone is stellar, and some of the other zoe features are great as well.
That said i am keeping my fingers crossed that the fine devs here will be able to port the camera software to the stock rom when it hits. If that happens this phone would be absolutely perfect in my eyes!
obiaquino said:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57586864/htc-one-nexus-user-experience-confirmed/
It's a reality guys... Really hope that devs can port this for us Tmobile users...
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Yes, especially since the announcement did not say it would have TMO radios. I think this is basically an ATT device, similar to the 32 Gb unlocked version.
We may not have to port....
obiaquino said:
After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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Check this article out! Im really starting to like HTC after reading stuff like this, I really hope they deliver soon.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/05/3...-owners-to-remove-sense-ui-from-their-device/
I just want a camera that's a camera. Zoe seems stupid to me as do filters.
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shabazz18 said:
I just want a camera that's a camera. Zoe seems stupid to me as do filters.
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Zoe isn't on by default.
However, I found some pretty good uses for it. It's better than using the "action" shot setting. It's literally like taking freeze frames from high definition video. I've finally been able to get decent pictures of my dog. It's hard to get her to stand still.
The camera was the main reason that I stayed on stock but the aokp camera is actually really good
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If you use vanilla before it boring but functional
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