Operation #MotoBBB:
I really don't know how useful making a new petition at Change.org is going to do, given that OP MOSH didn't lead us anywhere. But I feel that this + the BBB complaint rally may take us somewhere. Because, for each new BBB complaint, Motorola receives a brand new complaint, a brand new email to reply to and each email they ignore, the more their ratings and ranking and reputation will be affected at BBB.
So, here is the new petition @Change.org:
https://www.change.org/petitions/mo...s-unlock-the-bootloaders?share_id=ZhoxoqVsuz&
The aim of the petition is to get an apology from Motorola and Verizon, get all our Bootloaders unlocked AND get all the devices released within 18 months of the ICS release date to be updated to ICS.
The aim of the BBB complaint is to submit a personal, one on one complaint to Motorola. The way this works is that Motorola will get an email detailing the complaint and they should respond to it within a month, else it will count negatively on their ratings at BBB. An XDA member named iBolski already did this and he got a very detailed response. So this seems to be effective.
Secondly, I and several other users at the Droid X2 forums have also filed a complaint. Though we didn't get a response yet, I feel that Motorola is taking its time as it wants to respond correctly. So, I feel that this is adding pressure to them. Nevertheless, the fact that they MUST respond, otherwise face consequences definitely means that if a sizeable number of people complain, they will be under severe pressure.
So far 9,279 people signed the OP MOSH petition. I can't imagine how much pressure this will cause if each person who signed that petition also filed a BBB complaint. So many BBB complaints in such a short time would firstly be a record and secondly will be a huge pressure on Motorola who HAVE to respond to each and everyone of them, else face consequences.
Therefore, I URGE you to file a BBB complaint, even if you Don't sign the petition. But please do sign the petition once you file a complaint since that way I will know how many of you guys filed a BBB complaint!
Attached is a template letter for filing for the BBB complaint AND instructions on how to do so!
May we prevail! Please do submit this thread as a news tip! The more people know about this, the stronger we get! If you want to follow my ongoing struggle with Motorola, go to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547632
Instructions to File BBB Complaint + Template Complaint
God speed!
P.S: Moderators, upon consulting with a few xda members I felt that this is NOT spamming as I am soliciting the help of members across several forums. Hence, please do not ban or in other ways punish me. If this is spam, kindly let me know, since I have done this for the first time and moreover, as can clearly be seen from the post I am bringing forth a genuine concern that needs me to post this across all Motorola android phone forums! Thank you for understanding.
FIRST !!... no really... seriously though.. I'm in <runs off to file the BBB complait and sign the petition>
daddymikey1975 said:
FIRST !!... no really... seriously though.. I'm in <runs off to file the BBB complait and sign the petition>
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Thank you!
sounds like a plan, count me in.
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Thank you!
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just finished.. lots of editing to make your letter work for me but I got it
Thanks for spearheading this operation.
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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iguanad said:
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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You kidding me?
They promise bootloader unlocked before they even release it...
I bought the phone cause of that, i would had buy another phone if it wasent for that....
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/SIGNED! Complaint filed. Power to the people and stuff!
iguanad said:
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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I don't understand why you're so complacent with a locked bootloader. Why do you drink the kool-aid like the rest of the sheeple ?
If you're not going to support this effort then go ahead and move along to another thread where your comments might be more welcome.
Have a wonderful day... toodles
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I don't understand why you're so complacent with a locked bootloader. Why do you drink the kool-aid like the rest of the sheeple ?
If you're not going to support this effort then go ahead and move along to another thread where your comments might be more welcome.
Have a wonderful day... toodles
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You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
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You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
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when a society sits on their tails instead of standing on their beliefs, well, it makes for a sore ass.. Stand for something, stand strong, fight to the death. If nothing else, you won't be bored. Maybe they'll at least tell us to STFU in which case we can still prove that we got their attention, right ?
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You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
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OH.. don't forget the photon community either.. they would enjoy some unlocked bootloader love
daddymikey1975 said:
when a society sits on their tails instead of standing on their beliefs, well, it makes for a sore ass.. Stand for something, stand strong, fight to the death. If nothing else, you won't be bored. Maybe they'll at least tell us to STFU in which case we can still prove that we got their attention, right ?
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OH.. don't forget the photon community either.. they would enjoy some unlocked bootloader love
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I'd like to thank this and the previous post, but I ran out of thanks for today! What the!? How am I limited to thank people? In real life I thank as much and as often as I can, so XDA you can learn a thing or two!
Anyway, if you are in anyway interested, or find yourself bored at some point of time, you can pop in and have a look at the ongoing fight I am having with Motorola! Today was a productive day in the fight! Check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547632
PROTIP: The Better Business Bureau RARELY does ANYTHING about a company that pays their BBB dues. And you can bet your bippy that both Google and Motorola Mobility pay their BBB dues.
Who actually checks the rankings of the bbb!? They're just a self promoting business themselves, with no real power to pressure any business to make any changes. If you want to affect a business don't buy it's products.
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Signed
Signed hope this works...
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Complaint filed after plenty of editing.
Guess we wait and see
Done
sRDennyCrane said:
PROTIP: The Better Business Bureau RARELY does ANYTHING about a company that pays their BBB dues. And you can bet your bippy that both Google and Motorola Mobility pay their BBB dues.
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even if this is 100% true, we at least will have the satisfaction knowing that we're flooding them with email, snail mail, or enough crap to piss any sane person off.. which is plenty for me.. if it convinces them to unlock the bootloaders, BONUS..
just sayin'
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even if this is 100% true, we at least will have the satisfaction knowing that we're flooding them with email, snail mail, or enough crap to piss any sane person off.. which is plenty for me.. if it convinces them to unlock the bootloaders, BONUS..
just sayin'
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Flooding BBB with frivolous complaints will make Motorola change a phone?
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I'm going to post this here because this is essentially where it all started, so I figure it's fitting.
This is basically an "Ending" to everything that happened on this thread Public Warning, Jaywan is Untrustworthy which is still up, but currently locked. I decided not to ask to have it opened again because I didn't want the chance for anything to be changed in that thread. Things got interesting at Page 30, and then started getting odd around the end. (Panda lol's)
In that thread I explained how my friend, and later 2 other people came forward stating that a phone being sold by a dev here was not shipped, and all communications stopped as soon as he received the money from each person. His explanation was that he went on vacation and left the shipping up to someone else. Page 28 he made an appearance, but, in my opinion, handled the comments from everyone else very poorly. by making threats of lawsuit, Tasteless jabs at the situation, and even an admission of insurance fraud
So, that is a recap of that thread... Oh, and did I mention Polar bears?
Here is how it all ended. Rugedraw was the only one that opted to go through with the purchase of "one" of the 3 he said he was selling. This is the message Rugedraw sent me on it's arrival "Hey, man.....I received the package today. The phone is as described. Boots up fine and has a 2.3.5-based Sense 3.5 rom on it. It even came included with an OEM HTC soft rubber case. I called Sprint and verified that the ESN is clean and the phone can be activated.
I have to say: I am 100% satisfied with the phone.
Who would of thought that last week, huh?"
So, he got what he paid for. But after everything, my friend and Faugnom1 weren't interested in possibly getting jerked around anymore and simply opted to have their money returned. Which Jaywan said in the thread he would do.
Paypal was never contacted by him on neither case. On Dallas's case, he had until Nov. 8th to respond or Paypal would rule in Dallas's favor. Which they did, He has had his money returned BY Paypal. faugnom1's case required a response on the 10th. This is what faugnom1 sent me:
faugnom1:"He said he would pay me by today, the same day my paypal thing is up. So if I dont hear from him in a few hours ill finalize the case.
Me:Did you just go thru withthe PayPal dispute?
faugnom1:Yeah never heard from him again after that one day. Paypal ruled in my favor.
So, Paypal disputed in both Dallas's and faugnom1's favor and they were both repaid.
on a personal note:Thank you to the community, the support was tremendous and I tried not to make it a witch hunt, and I know some Mods look down on this type of posting, but I felt it was being ignored and the post did bring 2 more people in who had the exact same thing happen. If everything is quietly handled, it allows the person to do it again, and then after that, maybe getting banned. If it's brought into the light I believe it serves the community better. If this happened to me, I went on vacation and left it all up to someone, I would feel horrible and give out as much info as possible. I don't want people to think I'm dishonest went I am not. It's not a matter of "IDGAF!!" it's a matter of "that's not who I am and I'll clear my name".
I'm baffled on how his account hasn't been banned (disabled and reenabled 2 times though). While, sure, this may have been all some big misunderstanding by some miracle of coincidences. Other members have been perma-banned for less. He made threats in a thread that was deleted by mods, made light of the situations, and was very combative and offered no forward explanation to anyone involved, only stating "if they want an explanation they can PM me" for someone who took 3 peoples money and then lost all contact with them, coming back with that attitude is shocking to say the least.
Thanks for filling us in.
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Glad peeps got their cash back and the one dude got a phone. Shady situation the whole way around.
I also want to thank everyone for their support. It's nice to know they're are good people on here since I am relatively new.
Thanks again
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ckoadiyn said:
Thanks for filling us in.
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And thanks for all the freaking lulz that were had (so strangely, based on the subject matter) by all.
Locked or not, that was an absolute XDA classic.
<<work in progress>>
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And thanks for all the freaking lulz that were had (so strangely, based on the subject matter) by all.
Locked or not, that was an absolute XDA classic.
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That was an epic thread Felacio. Even though it was a serios matter.... I had a lot of lols (polarbear .. thanks Sarge ).
Thanks for filling us in buddy!
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Great to hear things got settled finally. And yes, like everyone else said, that thread was the bomb.
Thanks for filling everyone in. I'm glad the one guy got a phone and the other two got their money back. Hopefully your friend doesn't think badly of the community now.
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lyon21 said:
Thanks for filling everyone in. I'm glad the one guy got a phone and the other two got their money back. Hopefully your friend doesn't think badly of the community now.
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I don't think he does. I told him about the thread and how crazy it got with support and ****. He got that it was just the one guy who was being shady.
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I don't think he does. I told him about the thread and how crazy it got with support and ****. He got that it was just the one guy who was being shady.
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Because Jaywan's account is still NOT BANNED, I'm PM'd a MOD to see if he can take care of it (ie perma banning that fool)
I believe the mods have better things to do than permaban his retarded ass. Like banning people for posting bad pictures or threating banning for using bad language or for flaming or arguing. Cause that's much worse than some dip**** that steals peoples money and shows how much of a douche he is.
Seeing as his account still isn't banned, it's safe to say that the moderators don't care. If they would at least stay out of the MP altogether, I wouldn't mind so much. It's the fact that they pick and choose when and how they will participate that bothers me.
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Seeing as his account still isn't banned, it's safe to say that the moderators don't care. If they would at least stay out of the MP altogether, I wouldn't mind so much. It's the fact that they pick and choose when and how they will participate that bothers me.
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I'm noticing that.
Tell a mod to "**** Off" = Perma Ban.
Steal money/commit fraud on members = Welcome back.
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Seeing as his account still isn't banned, it's safe to say that the moderators don't care. If they would at least stay out of the MP altogether, I wouldn't mind so much. It's the fact that they pick and choose when and how they will participate that bothers me.
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Maybe not banned... but something has happened to him since his last post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19052374#post19052374 was over 2 weeks ago. Maybe someone made good on their threat?
Mike
I noticed in the Wanting to Sell forum there is a way to leave feedback on a user. Felacio, you should leave some negative feedback on him so he doesn't try this stuff in the future.
Good to see everything got resolved man, that old thread was epic! Bear **** punch ftw!
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Wow! Check out this thread on the MotoDev forums:
http://community.developer.motorola...dition-Can-t-unlock-the-bootloader/td-p/23102
Apparently, a person got the Droid RAZR Dev Edition and when he tried to unlock it, it states the unlocking of the bootloader has been disabled!!!
Calling into support yields him no help other than to post into the dev forums. Doing that, he gets a response that they are in the process of updating their files to allow this.
Wow, Motorola. Way to screw the pooch AND your customers. That settles it. I'm done with them.
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Wow! Check out this thread on the MotoDev forums:
http://community.developer.motorola...dition-Can-t-unlock-the-bootloader/td-p/23102
Apparently, a person got the Droid RAZR Dev Edition and when he tried to unlock it, it states the unlocking of the bootloader has been disabled!!!
Calling into support yields him no help other than to post into the dev forums. Doing that, he gets a response that they are in the process of updating their files to allow this.
Wow, Motorola. Way to screw the pooch AND your customers. That settles it. I'm done with them.
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They even had videos posted showing how it's done. Sad, but live and learn.
SMILE It's Not Illegal Yet
As much as I enjoy Moto's hardware it isn't special enough to deal with all the headache. I'll probably go with a Samsung phone next time, support a company that Apple can't stand lol. Thanks for this post iBolsky, it's sad how pathetic Motorola handles their business. It isn't that hard to understand, we want to unlock our bootloaders, warranty or not. A child can understand that, why not a multi billion dollar corporation?
That's crazy.
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Just got a message from the MotoDev Forum mod stating I violated a rule and my account has been set to read-only. The violation: condoning action against Motorola.
In this case, I was telling people how I filed a complaint against Motorola and that others should do the same if they felt that Motorola had resorted to bad business tactics.
Oh well...
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Just got a message from the MotoDev Forum mod stating I violated a rule and my account has been set to read-only. The violation: condoning action against Motorola.
In this case, I was telling people how I filed a complaint against Motorola and that others should do the same if they felt that Motorola had resorted to bad business tactics.
Oh well...
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Create new account, on different computer. Then +1 your post
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iBolski said:
Just got a message from the MotoDev Forum mod stating I violated a rule and my account has been set to read-only. The violation: condoning action against Motorola.
In this case, I was telling people how I filed a complaint against Motorola and that others should do the same if they felt that Motorola had resorted to bad business tactics.
Oh well...
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Condoning action against Motorola? You stated what everyone should know.....If your unhappy there are ways to speak up about it.
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Condoning action against Motorola? You stated what everyone should know.....If your unhappy there are ways to speak up about it.
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Yeah, but it's there in black and white about condoning any type of action against Motorola or it's employees. So, I did agree to their terms and conditions when I created my account, so I can't fight it.
No big loss to me. I won't be having a Moto device for much longer hopefully. At least, the X2 will be my FINAL device from them. That might be why they aren't responding to my requests in my current open support ticket.
The silence speaks louder than words. They just don't care about customers, or at least, me. That's fine with me. My business will go elsewhere and hopefully, others will follow suite. Of course, just watch. Now they'll try to bring a lawsuit against me for defaming them or causing them to lose business. Pfft!
after their bullshyt response to my email, i finally said screw them and used my upgrade for the samsung galaxy nexus. i've had it for a week and i'm giddy like a school kid. it's exactly the same environment that i had when i first got my og droid. unlocked and full of developers, mods, tweaks and roms. with my next upgrade in a few months, i'll be getting an htc phone for my wife to replace her x2. then i can happily proclaim i am a moto free household. i hope they fail miserably. any company willing to constantly screw over their customers deserves no business.
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Yeah, but it's there in black and white about condoning any type of action against Motorola or it's employees. So, I did agree to their terms and conditions when I created my account, so I can't fight it.
No big loss to me. I won't be having a Moto device for much longer hopefully. At least, the X2 will be my FINAL device from them. That might be why they aren't responding to my requests in my current open support ticket.
The silence speaks louder than words. They just don't care about customers, or at least, me. That's fine with me. My business will go elsewhere and hopefully, others will follow suite. Of course, just watch. Now they'll try to bring a lawsuit against me for defaming them or causing them to lose business. Pfft!
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I found out I have an early upgrade promotion with $100 off a 4g phone so I'm thinking of getting the Rezound for 99.00. Its unlocked now and will be getting ICS. I actually really like my X2 but the locked bootloader is a killer. The biggest thing for me though is the 3g network optimization. I went from 3mg connection to 700kbs average. I like to use the phone for many multimedia purposes and Netflix and a slow connection don't mix.
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are we all really that surprised it can't be unlocked right out the box??
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Yeah, but it's there in black and white about condoning any type of action against Motorola or it's employees. So, I did agree to their terms and conditions when I created my account, so I can't fight it.
No big loss to me. I won't be having a Moto device for much longer hopefully. At least, the X2 will be my FINAL device from them. That might be why they aren't responding to my requests in my current open support ticket.
The silence speaks louder than words. They just don't care about customers, or at least, me. That's fine with me. My business will go elsewhere and hopefully, others will follow suite. Of course, just watch. Now they'll try to bring a lawsuit against me for defaming them or causing them to lose business. Pfft!
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I wish they would try... thats exactly the kind of attention this matter needs... I along with you pledge to never buy a Motorola product again. Be it cell phone or anything else ..
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are we all really that surprised it can't be unlocked right out the box??
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That's the entire purpose of the phone though, so many other phones that aren't designed for development can be unlocked, and the one phone Moto says will be unlocked, still isn't. Maybe they will release an unlocked ota or tool like they have for htc or will for transformer prime, but people bought the phone with the promise of it being an unlocked phone. Maybe it is too much to ask to be unlockable out of the box, I don't really know, but Moto to me is some sneaky weirdo selling stuff out of a trench coat saying "this is what you want" but when you get home, you realize they've pulled a fast one. They ignore constant, multiple petitions, emails, pleads, and plain begging, and I for one would rather them just say, no we won't be unlocking the bootloader rather than have them pretend that it isnt an issue. They release these vague statments and make it seem like they want to unlock bootloaders, and place the blame elsewhere, but they are just as guilty as the carriers of denying the end user the rights to the phone that WE HAVE PURCHASED.
Sorry for the rant, Moto just frustrates me to no end.
And in no way was I trying to attack your statement Ash lol. Just throwing in my opinion.
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And in no way was I trying to attack your statement Ash lol. Just throwing in my opinion.
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its all good I understand lol
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For what it's worth, they re-instated my account. Here was my response to my getting locked out:
I've read the forum rules and I understand what I have done to violate them. However, I still feel strongly about what Motorola has done in regards to the unlocking of bootloaders.
I understand you are a moderator and you have rules you must ensure are being followed, and I hold no grudge against you or the other mods. But, I do have an issue with Motorola and their apparent lack of supporting us the customers.
In any case, I will refrain from any more postings about the BBB and leave that to other avenues that I have. I just feel that we as customers have a right to know why Motorola has completely ignored our requests on the status of the unlocked boot loaders which has never been honored except with the release of a new phone that is supposed to have an unlockable bootloader. However, reports are that even this phone, Droid RAZR Developer Edition, can't be unlocked right now. This just isn't good customer relations.
All we as customers are asking for is a status on where this situation stands, but we get nothing from Motorola.or from any of the avenues we have to express our issues, whether it be the support portal, this forum or twitter.
I do apologize for violating the rules of this forum and I will refrain from doing so in the future.
I will leave it up to you as to whether you wish to unlock my account or not and I will abide by whatever decision you make.
Sincerely,
Ivan Samuelson
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I for one will never buy a Motorola product again. I got my son the galaxy nexus and as soon as I can I will get another phone and I will have my wife switch from her bionic. Motorola has lost my buisness for the future!
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I for one will never buy a Motorola product again. I got my son the galaxy nexus and as soon as I can I will get another phone and I will have my wife switch from her bionic. Motorola has lost my buisness for the future!
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Same here, unless they unlock their bootloaders for the X2 and other phones. Otherwise, I'm done.
I guess my final email to them must have struck a nerve or something. I just received a phone call from Motorola on my cell phone.
The individual was very courteous and nice, so that was a plus. Now for the information so take this anyway you want. I myself am a little skeptical, but at least I got more information from them than what we've gotten at all.
For ICS, they are currently testing the X2 for issues and bugs. The evaluation is not just talking it over on whether it's worthy of ICS or not, but they have developers working on compiling, debugging and testing to ensure they get the ICS upgrade to work along with their applications. Unless they run into major issues, there should be an ICS upgrade some day. Just not sure when.
Also, he ensured me they are not dropping support for the X2.
As for the unlocked bootloaders, they are currently in talks/negotiations with the carriers and this is what is taking so long. They are also investigating how to implement it so as to help protect the users from security issues, including data security (PI, etc).
The Motorola representative apologized for not getting back to me with this information sooner, but he wanted me to be assured that Motorola DOES take its customer's complaints/issues seriously. I did explain to him how ASUS and HTC have already unlocked their bootloaders, and he said he understands, but Motorola takes security very seriously, especially when it comes to its customers.
In many ways, I can understand where he's coming from. Now, whether this is a canned response or not, who's to say. As he was speaking to me, it did not sound like he was reading from a script.
I at least appreciate the phone call. That was much better than an email back so that I could actually converse with the person who was very polite and helpful.
Now, I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. He stated also that the ICS update page WILL be updated once they have made a decision on whether ICS will come to the X2 or not. Until then, it will stay the way it is, which could be months as they are still compiling, testing and debugging.
I did ask him if they were actually trying to compile it on the X2 and he said "yes", so unless he's feeding me a line of BS, then this is a good sign.
So, at this point, I'm going to sit back and see what happens. If by the middle of the year at the latest, nothing comes of this, then it might be time to start hounding them again, with tact of course.
iBolski said:
I guess my final email to them must have struck a nerve or something. I just received a phone call from Motorola on my cell phone.
The individual was very courteous and nice, so that was a plus. Now for the information so take this anyway you want. I myself am a little skeptical, but at least I got more information from them than what we've gotten at all.
For ICS, they are currently testing the X2 for issues and bugs. The evaluation is not just talking it over on whether it's worthy of ICS or not, but they have developers working on compiling, debugging and testing to ensure they get the ICS upgrade to work along with their applications. Unless they run into major issues, there should be an ICS upgrade some day. Just not sure when.
Also, he ensured me they are not dropping support for the X2.
As for the unlocked bootloaders, they are currently in talks/negotiations with the carriers and this is what is taking so long. They are also investigating how to implement it so as to help protect the users from security issues, including data security (PI, etc).
The Motorola representative apologized for not getting back to me with this information sooner, but he wanted me to be assured that Motorola DOES take its customer's complaints/issues seriously. I did explain to him how ASUS and HTC have already unlocked their bootloaders, and he said he understands, but Motorola takes security very seriously, especially when it comes to its customers.
In many ways, I can understand where he's coming from. Now, whether this is a canned response or not, who's to say. As he was speaking to me, it did not sound like he was reading from a script.
I at least appreciate the phone call. That was much better than an email back so that I could actually converse with the person who was very polite and helpful.
Now, I guess the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. He stated also that the ICS update page WILL be updated once they have made a decision on whether ICS will come to the X2 or not. Until then, it will stay the way it is, which could be months as they are still compiling, testing and debugging.
I did ask him if they were in the actually trying to compile it on the X2 and he said "yes", so unless he's feeding me a line of BS, then this is a good sign.
So, at this point, I'm going to sit back and see what happens. If by the middle of the year at the latest, nothing comes of this, then it might be time to start hounding them again, with tact of course.
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i wonder if it's still too early to check the servers and see what can be dug up...
i've checked them every once in a while since the announcement of the X2 being in the "evaluation and planning" stage of the ICS update but haven't found anything. (i checked with 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 updates)
Thanks for the update that is very good to know! Maybe the first step to save customers.
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Thanks for the update that is very good to know! Maybe the first step to save customers.
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Let's hope so, Motorola needs to step up before all of their customers leave them in the dust. If that happens Google'll be moving on to buy a new company cause Motorola couldn't hold out.
Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
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Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
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It was a phone call not email.
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Great news. Though it is certainly no promise or guarantee, it's a first, and I do mean first, step in the right direction. Could you forward me the email if I messaged you my gmail? and I don't mean because of my normal skeptic self. I would like to show it to a couple friends I have who also own the.x2.
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Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
Sounds good
That update certainly sounds good. Well better than planning & review, anyhow.
Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
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Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
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Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
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whatever
u don't have a recording so ur lieing
lol j/k
you have put in more time then anyone else I've seen to make an effort to actually get Motorola to say or do ANYTHING. so it figures you would receive a call from someone over there.
let's just hope that it wasn't melvin who called ya Hahahaha
how freaking messed up would THAT be lol
thanks for keeping us updated on your efforts iBolski.
I guess we can pretty much officially call you our "representative" on the Motorola bootloader/ICS front. thanks again!
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I guess we can pretty much officially call you our "representative" on the Motorola bootloader/ICS front. thanks again!
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Not sure if I want that title!
In any case, if/when I hear anything, I'll be sure to update everyone. For now, I guess we just hold tight and see what happens.
Devil's Advocate...
Very nice work bro! Being polite and yet slightly forceful will get you a very long way with large corporations. I did tech support for MSN, Kodak, and SONY and I can tell you that you WILL NOT get the best support if you are rude, forceful, abusive, and/or threatening. I understand that we can get frustrated with what we feel are broken promises. We are their customers and we do pay their salaries. But, at the same time, we must also understand that even though we feel we are many, and can really hurt them, we aren't and we cant. Their salaries will still be paid and their profit margins will be met. We can only politely demand that they answer our questions. Yes corporations break promises. Yes they screw the little guy over. Yes they make millions off us. But there are people behind those corporations. People the same as us. Bound by those same profit margins and salaries. WE MUST CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO THEM AS PEOPLE! Not faceless money hungry machines. Enough with the hate. As hard as it is to stifle. I have been on the other side of the fence. I have been the tech and customer service rep getting cussed at for no reason and due to those experiences, I am now a MUCH more demanding consumer. The lesson I learned is this; kick, scream, cuss, *****, moan, and whine all you want, but it will get you no where in this life as a consumer. Ask for help, be polite, just like your mother taught you and you will get more out of people.
You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar goes the old adage... And its an OLD adage for a reason.
iBolski, I commend you in your efforts. Thank you for taking the high road and trying a different approach!
All I can say is, I was about to give up hope and just call it a lost cause. I'm still not holding my breath, but I'll wait and hold off on that HTC Rezound. As it is, my upgrade isn't active yet, so I'd have to pay full price which is around $600. No way.
I went ahead and responded back in my support ticket, thanking them for the phone call and how I appreciated it. But, I also let them know that we as a community still expect an answer one way or the other on both issues and to not string us along and keep us in the dark.
I think I'll have a beer, or two, or three tonight...
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Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), it wasn't an email. It was a phone call, so I really don't have a transcript of what was told to me. Of course, you can be rest assured, I'm no Melvin, so you have no worries about being Melvined!
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Lol my bad, not sure why I assumed it was an email. I agree, it it's a good thing they talked to you via the phone; shows that maybe they aren't afraid to face your frustration, whichis always a sign of good customer service, and if we're lucky, honesty.
No worries though, I wasn't doubting you, for I have no reason to. I've seen only good things from you
Ibolski you are the hero of the day sir. I've been following your progress with this situation and I'm glad you were so determined. I vote we ressurect a statue in your honor, or maybe just donate for all your hard work.
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Ibolski you are the hero of the day sir. I've been following your progress with this situation and I'm glad you were so determined. I vote we ressurect a statue in your honor, or maybe just donate for all your hard work.
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Thanks, but let's hold off on any kudos until we see if this even amounts to a hill of beans. I'm just trying to get an answer to what we all want: the status of ICS on the X2 and unlocked bootloaders.
At least now I can relax and just let it simmer for awhile and see what happens.
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Ibolski I trust your word. You have been driving this hard for a while now and we appreciate your effort and your updates. I know you are no Melvin
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Ibolski - just wanted to add my thanks for all your efforts effectively on our behalf. Have you given any thought to perhaps setting up, say a twitter dx2/Moto specific account, that we in the community could follow which if the numbers are there could be powerful proof to motto that there really are a number of its customers that share your feelings on this matter. Sort of an extension of the unlock social media campaign. I for one would follow you if you set up such an account.
Again thanks for your efforts!!!
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I am intrigued that they contacted you via phone.
I think they are taking the actions that Asus and HTC has been implementing seriously, especially because of the fact that HTC does have now unlockable phones on Verizon...
ICS Is probably more of an inevitability at this point, but the unlocked bootloader I am quite surprised at actually being discussed...
Hi gang!
If you have seen my BBB complaint thread, then you should know by now that I complained to Motorola by filing a complaint with BBB. So, I was waiting for them to reply. And today they did and boy are you in a surprise here!
Sit back, buckle up. We are going on a wild ride!
The email was well written and addressed the two key concerns I raised.
Firstly, they informed me that they have done intensive testing and have concluded that Droid X2 is going to get ICS, eventually. The update page on Motorola's blog should be updated with this info in the next few weeks. They were actually planning to scrap the whole thing, but recently they received a hoard of BBB complaints from X2 users that they thought it is worth giving it a second look. Now, granted they claimed that to help X2 run the ICS update, they had to trim some stuff and features not only from ICS but from their own "value pack" Blur. I am all in for that! They said that a few Blur features that previously existed and are on other phones will be removed. Still they said there is no need to worry as the whole Blur experience isn't compromised,
As far as ICS is concerned, they are planning to cut down some of its features, notably voice dictation. Also, it seems that ICS is using the device's resources better anyways as the email claimed that they found significant performance improvements.
Furthermore, with regard to Bootloader, the email claimed that they are looking into it but can't give a whole lot of promises. Apparently they are in negotiations with VZW and are pushing hard, given that many customers are complaining and are taking similar steps and stands as the competition, such as HTC, to help make VZW buckle. It is interesting to note that the email acknowledges that HTC has been successful at unlocking the Bootloaders and Moto is trying to take a similar approach as "their competitors" to persuade VZW. The email stated that if the negotiations are successful, which should be known in a month, then they will release the unlock tool in a few weeks. The email also claims that the unlock tool is currently in development and testing, which hints that Motorola is optimistic on VZW buckling on pressure, else why will they waste their money on developing a tool that they will never release?
Finally, they acknowledged that a good number of customers do regularly complain on their Facebook, twitter pages or otherwise file complaints to them regarding bootloaders and that they are completely aware of the situation. They wish to go public after the negotiations with VZW and if VZW agrees, spread the good news to everyone while apologizing the huge delay of doing something they said they were gonna do a long time back. If VZW doesn't agree, they wish to make public the details of the negotiations so that customers understand that Motorola is as helpless as them.
Note that I paraphrased and elaborated a lot of what Motorola said in the email to clarify for you guys. The email they sent was terse, not as elaborate as this, yet clearly conveyed all of this info.
So, there we have it folks. At least ICS is on the way and we now know that Motorola is negotiating with VZW and developing the unlock tools. The fact that they are developing the tools suggest that they are optimistic of the outcome of the negotiations! But you never know, and if it doesn't work out, may be Melvin can leak the tools!!!
So, that is a LOT to digest! Have fun with this news and go crazy! I think all those guys who submitted a BBB complaint deserve kudos to pushing Moto to do the right thing. And big kudos to iBolski for starting it and fueling the momentum and being the inspiration for others!!!
CHEERS!!!*
*NOTE: Did I forget to say that this is an April Fool's joke!?? Oops. Sorry! (I mean I am not sorry at all! ) Happy April Fool's Day!!!! God, I am gonna burn for this!
Anyway, while you guys are eating sour grapes after being bamboozled by my prank, enjoy my actual ongoing fight with Motorola here!
Also on the plus side, we may get ICS/CM9 goodness this week from Dragonzkiller! http://goo.gl/dhXnn
I will find you. I will sever your prostate from your organs and feed it to you.
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I don't even know how to respond to this......
thelowend said:
I will find you. I will sever your prostate from your organs and feed it to you.
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I am very glad you liked it!
On the flip side, I just did this because the last few days have been reallllly slow and I wanted to do something fun. And I was actually surprised no one did this so far, given that we have experienced Melvin and all, I figured people will learn to prank more, especially on April 1.
Anyway, I am on your side. I filed a big complaint to Motorola that you can read here and I am waiting for Moto to reply.
So I am fighting the good fight! In the meantime, lets have some fun!
litetaker said:
I am very glad you liked it!
On the flip side, I just did this because the last few days have been reallllly slow and I wanted to do something fun. And I was actually surprised no one did this so far, given that we have experienced Melvin and all, I figured people will learn to prank more, especially on April 1.
Anyway, I am on your side. I filed a big complaint to Motorola that you can read here and I am waiting for Moto to reply.
So I am fighting the good fight! In the meantime, lets have some fun!
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It was very good; you had me whole time.
Well played sir, well played.
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litetaker said:
Hi gang!
If you have seen my BBB complaint thread, then you should know by now that I complained to Motorola by filing a complaint with BBB. So, I was waiting for them to reply. And today they did and boy are you in a surprise here!
Sit back, buckle up. We are going on a wild ride!
The email was well written and addressed the two key concerns I raised.
Firstly, they informed me that they have done intensive testing and have concluded that Droid X2 is going to get ICS, eventually. The update page on Motorola's blog should be updated with this info in the next few weeks. They were actually planning to scrap the whole thing, but recently they received a hoard of BBB complaints from X2 users that they thought it is worth giving it a second look. Now, granted they claimed that to help X2 run the ICS update, they had to trim some stuff and features not only from ICS but from their own "value pack" Blur. I am all in for that! They said that a few Blur features that previously existed and are on other phones will be removed. Still they said there is no need to worry as the whole Blur experience isn't compromised,
As far as ICS is concerned, they are planning to cut down some of its features, notably voice dictation. Also, it seems that ICS is using the device's resources better anyways as the email claimed that they found significant performance improvements.
Furthermore, with regard to Bootloader, the email claimed that they are looking into it but can't give a whole lot of promises. Apparently they are in negotiations with VZW and are pushing hard, given that many customers are complaining and are taking similar steps and stands as the competition, such as HTC, to help make VZW buckle. It is interesting to note that the email acknowledges that HTC has been successful at unlocking the Bootloaders and Moto is trying to take a similar approach as "their competitors" to persuade VZW. The email stated that if the negotiations are successful, which should be known in a month, then they will release the unlock tool in a few weeks. The email also claims that the unlock tool is currently in development and testing, which hints that Motorola is optimistic on VZW buckling on pressure, else why will they waste their money on developing a tool that they will never release?
Finally, they acknowledged that a good number of customers do regularly complain on their Facebook, twitter pages or otherwise file complaints to them regarding bootloaders and that they are completely aware of the situation. They wish to go public after the negotiations with VZW and if VZW agrees, spread the good news to everyone while apologizing the huge delay of doing something they said they were gonna do a long time back. If VZW doesn't agree, they wish to make public the details of the negotiations so that customers understand that Motorola is as helpless as them.
Note that I paraphrased and elaborated a lot of what Motorola said in the email to clarify for you guys. The email they sent was terse, not as elaborate as this, yet clearly conveyed all of this info.
So, there we have it folks. At least ICS is on the way and we now know that Motorola is negotiating with VZW and developing the unlock tools. The fact that they are developing the tools suggest that they are optimistic of the outcome of the negotiations! But you never know, and if it doesn't work out, may be Melvin can leak the tools!!!
So, that is a LOT to digest! Have fun with this news and go crazy! I think all those guys who submitted a BBB complaint deserve kudos to pushing Moto to do the right thing. And big kudos to iBolski for starting it and fueling the momentum and being the inspiration for others!!!
CHEERS!!!*
*NOTE: Did I forget to say that this is an April Fool's joke!?? Oops. Sorry! (I mean I am not sorry at all! ) Happy April Fool's Day!!!! God, I am gonna burn for this!
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I read this and figured it was an April Fool's Day joke. But it would be nice if it did happen. We can only hope.
You bastard! I read everything except for the small print. Been thinking we were really gonna get ICS. You just gave yourself bad luck sir! Damn I can not believe I fell for this. Beware of Melvin and who? Litetaker! Lol j/k
Travisdroidx2 said:
You bastard! I read everything except for the small print. Been thinking we were really gonna get ICS. You just gave yourself bad luck sir! Damn I can not believe I fell for this. Beware of Melvin and who? Litetaker! Lol j/k
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It's responses like this that make the effort of writing so much crap worthwhile!!! ^_^
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Lol I have to admit you got me good!
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Lol I have to admit you got me good!
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Hehehe! Still, you should fear Melvin and not me. Because I at least told you that I am full of crap. Melvin would've left the last line, the fineprint!
that's great, but yesterday I order the Rezound from ebay, so hopefully by saturday I'll be having ICS on my phone. But it is still great to hear that Motorola finally responded to her customers's requirements. I'm not sure how long this will take before we see ICS on the X2.
Haha you got me REALLY bad! Someone has to send this to ash! He'll **** himself and then hunt you down xD
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that's great, but yesterday I order the Rezound from ebay, so hopefully by saturday I'll be having ICS on my phone. But it is still great to hear that Motorola finally responded to her customers's requirements. I'm not sure how long this will take before we see ICS on the X2.
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Oh poor SamerBerjawi... Tsk, tsk, tsk! So unfortunate that you didn't pay close attention!
antp121: Glad you liked it! Ash will read this soon enough and hunt me down!
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Oh poor SamerBerjawi... Tsk, tsk, tsk! So unfortunate that you didn't pay close attention!
antp121: Glad you liked it! Ash will read this soon enough and hunt me down!
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I'm ok
Well at least I'm getting 1.5GHz, 1GB of RAM, and beats earphones (worth $170), 4G, and UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER. this is all what we need!
Good for you!
About half way through I was wondering why not just post the email??
...but I was liking what I was reading, and I believed, and as I believed I read more and my heart ached with joy that the pureness of our efforts had indeed penetrated the iron heart of the evil giant. My imagination sored to unthinkable heights filled with ice cream images and over clocked CPU's...
Then as I flew thus on such lovingly crafted wings, reality, or as Sherman put it so elegantly, It is all ether and moonshine, my wings where torn asunder as I was mashed across the jagged April joke....
Hey good one...yeah ya really got me good. Ooh did I ever mention what my 1st job was during my service days, other than being a qualified marksman... I got to learn a whole bunch about high explosives and guided missiles... Just saying...
And of course just kidding....lol
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kenjesse said:
About half way through I was wondering why not just post the email??
...but I was liking what I was reading, and I believed, and as I believed I read more and my heart ached with joy that the pureness of our efforts had indeed penetrated the iron heart of the evil giant. My imagination sored to unthinkable heights filled with ice cream images and over clocked CPU's...
Then as I flew thus on such lovingly crafted wings, reality, or as Sherman put it so elegantly, It is all ether and moonshine, my wings where torn asunder as I was mashed across the jagged April joke....
Hey good one...yeah ya really got me good. Ooh did I ever mention what my 1st job was during my service days, other than being a qualified marksman... I got to learn a whole bunch about high explosives and guided missiles... Just saying...
And of course just kidding....lol
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It is people like you who make me feel that the half hour I spent coming up with this **** is soooo worth it!
Got me
Come on, you had my hopes up until I read further into the thread...
Completely fooled me lol
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As I started to read, I immediately looked to see when the post was posted. As soon as I saw "April 1", I knew immediately. Heck, I even suspected it before I looked at the date.
Still, good one.
To do as Litetaker requested I am starting a new thread regarding MischiefsMommy's information that she posted regarding that she "may" have an unlocked bootloader and/or some kind of software that can help us to unlock our phones.
I personally think this is way too good to be true, but I think that this is important enough to start a discussion in a new thread about.
I do not want any childish banter between angry parties in this thread , but I do want to know how everyone feels about this information.
IMHO I am hoping and praying that she is right and that some tech at VZW sent her something awesome, something good has to happen to the Motorola community eventually right?
Fire away....
Don't get too off topic Ash....
gaad0701 said:
To do as Litetaker requested I am starting a new thread regarding MischiefsMommy's information that she posted regarding that she "may" have an unlocked bootloader and/or some kind of software that can help us to unlock our phones.
I personally think this is way too good to be true, but I think that this is important enough to start a discussion in a new thread about.
I do not want any childish banter between angry parties in this thread , but I do want to know how everyone feels about this information.
IMHO I am hoping and praying that she is right and that some tech at VZW sent her something awesome, something good has to happen to the Motorola community eventually right?
Fire away....
Don't get too off topic Ash....
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I honestly agree with you that I think this is too good, but I hope to figure out if this is real or false, she hasn't been back but that could be of a certain person that has scared her off. Maybe we should pm her about this and see if she can share anything with us through that...
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I honestly agree with you that I think this is too good, but I hope to figure out if this is real or false, she hasn't been back but that could be of a certain person that has scared her off. Maybe we should pm her about this and see if she can share anything with us through that...
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Yeah, it is definitely a possibility that that is the case. The whole reason I posted this is because it has been so long since we heard anything from either of them.
Perhaps they have been PMing instead of going at it in a thread since it was such a heated discussion before.
I don't understand why people are even giving this the time of day. If we get an unlocked bootloader its not going to come from an idiot user who claims to have got it from verizon. Your just feeding the trolls here. Just ignore those comments and move on. Secondly, people are getting a little too emotional about a phone. Someone said we have been burned as a community and we don't want to get hurt again. Really? If your getting your feelings hurt over a phone you may have some other issues you need to take a look at in your life other then a unlocked bootloader.
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I don't understand why people are even giving this the time of day. If we get an unlocked bootloader its not going to come from an idiot user who claims to have got it from verizon. Your just feeding the trolls here. Just ignore those comments and move on. Secondly, people are getting a little too emotional about a phone. Someone said we have been burned as a community and we don't want to get hurt again. Really? If your getting your feelings hurt over a phone you may have some other issues you need to take a look at in your life other then a unlocked bootloader.
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true, but I'm also thinking that this may be possible, that this could be the way to unlock the bootloader without having to buy another phone. Maybe i'm being too optimistic about this, but that's just how I feel, and how I was raised. Maybe this has to do with me being screwed over by a girl I was in love with because she moved onto her "high school sweetheart," and me wearing my heart on my sleeve, but that's just life. I'm trying to get the best out of my phone until I can upgrade to the GNex or the next best thing, but as of right now, I'm going to see this to the end and if that means I'm going to get hurt again "over a phone" then so be it. I'm going into this to optimistic, too involved, but oh well, that's me not you.
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I don't understand why people are even giving this the time of day. If we get an unlocked bootloader its not going to come from an idiot user who claims to have got it from verizon. Your just feeding the trolls here. Just ignore those comments and move on. Secondly, people are getting a little too emotional about a phone. Someone said we have been burned as a community and we don't want to get hurt again. Really? If your getting your feelings hurt over a phone you may have some other issues you need to take a look at in your life other then a unlocked bootloader.
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I think it was me who said that. Granted I exaggerated it a little. But I definitely felt notably dissapointed by Melvin when he came trolling here. After all, I paid $200 of my hard earned cash for this turd of a phone and at that price I could have done a LOT of stuff. So, sorry for having feelings for the $200 of my money! sorry, I guess this seems like a bit of petty quarrel and is exactly opposite of what the OP asked us to do but I felt your comment needs some perspective and explanation.
Moreover, I guess given that you gave a Gnex, you don't seem to understand the pains of users with unlocked bootloaders!!!
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Why do we need a thread dedicated to information everyone is almost 99% sure is false? I'd she had the tools and really wanted to prove something she would give us hard evidence. You don't walk your ass in here claiming you have the key to making our device infinitely better and just dance around answers like she did.
Sad we need to port her in the spotlight to do so. She is trolling us. Leave her be until she puts up.
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Wait looks like I missed something. A new Melvin case. Been looking around and not sure if or where I missed it. Would be nice to get bootloader unlocked but I bet it wont happen until I buy a galaxy nexus.
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I think it was me who said that. Granted I exaggerated it a little. But I definitely felt notably dissapointed by Melvin when he came trolling here. After all, I paid $200 of my hard earned cash for this turd of a phone and at that price I could have done a LOT of stuff. So, sorry for having feelings for the $200 of my money! sorry, I guess this seems like a bit of petty quarrel and is exactly opposite of what the OP asked us to do but I felt your comment needs some perspective and explanation.
Moreover, I guess given that you gave a Gnex, you don't seem to understand the pains of users with unlocked bootloaders!!!
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Its cool Lite,
I knew this would happen one way or another, we are in the X2 forums you know
But as for you tkuligowski, I asked that we discuss the possibility that she is right, not the emotions involved in our entire forum or if she was a troll. I appreciate your opinion but unless you can actually contribute something useful to this thread please cease posting here.
It is annoying that you already began something I asked the community not to do on the first page of the freaking thread.
On a side note, I sent a PM to a couple of people to try to get MischiefsMommy out of her hole again.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Wait looks like I missed something. A new Melvin case. Been looking around and not sure if or where I missed it. Would be nice to get bootloader unlocked but I bet it wont happen until I buy a galaxy nexus.
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It was in the BBB Complaint thread by Litetaker on page 11, it goes off for about 9 pages and then gets back on topic.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Wait looks like I missed something. A new Melvin case. Been looking around and not sure if or where I missed it. Would be nice to get bootloader unlocked but I bet it wont happen until I buy a galaxy nexus.
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Yeah I'm not sure how I missed this either, but reading through her posts she seems to be extremely confused about things. I'm not sure how one can be aware of or unlock their phone and not know how to get a screenshot app.
Just going out on a limb here, but I think she is really just talking about the Razr and is just confused or maybe thinks that what will happen with the Razr will apply to the dx2.
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Why do we need a thread dedicated to information everyone is almost 99% sure is false? I'd she had the tools and really wanted to prove something she would give us hard evidence. You don't walk your ass in here claiming you have the key to making our device infinitely better and just dance around answers like she did.
Sad we need to port her in the spotlight to do so. She is trolling us. Leave her be until she puts up.
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Because of that 1% nobody knows if she is right or wrong. NOBODY. You cannot say she is wrong without knowing the facts yourself and why not hold onto that glimmer of hope, if you read the original post I did ask for opinions, but I did not ask for your opinion on the validity of threads.
I see that you agree that this is most likely false, but it was taking up a lot of space in a different thread and I for one am interested enough to try to find out more.
I told everyone I am willing to attempt all of the tests once the soak/actuall update come out so if we can unlock the bootloader before that even happens I would be in heaven, I hate Moto Blur....
Skelente said:
Yeah I'm not sure how I missed this either, but reading through her posts she seems to be extremely confused about things. I'm not sure how one can be aware of or unlock their phone and not know how to get a screenshot app.
Just going out on a limb here, but I think she is really just talking about the Razr and is just confused or maybe thinks that what will happen with the Razr will apply to the dx2.
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You are correct, I am hoping she is right and that it is an exe and we can somehow apply it to the X2.
Skelente said:
Yeah I'm not sure how I missed this either, but reading through her posts she seems to be extremely confused about things. I'm not sure how one can be aware of or unlock their phone and not know how to get a screenshot app.
Just going out on a limb here, but I think she is really just talking about the Razr and is just confused or maybe thinks that what will happen with the Razr will apply to the dx2.
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That's exactly what I thought. Id like to know how and why she got the unlock from Verizon and not Motorola, cause correct me if I'm wrong but Verizon does nothing in the development and design side if things.
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Lol man I did not read back that far this morning. I so wish that was true. With that being said I do not think there is any way in hell we would get all this by end of the month. My wife's bionic would get it first. Like I said if it ever happens it will be when I am onto my next phone. I have till October but been watching eBay I might snag a gnexus if the price is right then no contract.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Lol man I did not read back that far this morning. I so wish that was true. With that being said I do not think there is any way in hell we would get all this by end of the month. My wife's bionic would get it first. Like I said if it ever happens it will be when I am onto my next phone. I have till October but been watching eBay I might snag a gnexus if the price is right then no contract.
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I hear you, I am so tired of this things lag and other massive issues
thelowend said:
That's exactly what I thought. Id like to know how and why she got the unlock from Verizon and not Motorola, cause correct me if I'm wrong but Verizon does nothing in the development and design side if things.
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I sent her a PM this morning, hopefully we get an answer sometime today.
"I'm getting too old for this ****".
Its been almost a year since release and they've been yanking us around. The only way I'll have an unlocked phone anytime soon is if I get a free one from my complaint to BBB.
ztotherad said:
I honestly agree with you that I think this is too good, but I hope to figure out if this is real or false, she hasn't been back but that could be of a certain person that has scared her off. Maybe we should pm her about this and see if she can share anything with us through that...
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Dunno who that coulda been
I may have gone a little overboard with the flaming, but she hit a nerve. Not getting into it again, just wanted to apologize.
Nah, I'm kidding. Good riddance.
Even ignoring the insults between myself and her, I don't think it's debatable at this point whether or not she's a troll (or equally possible: horribly, horribly confused).
I think my summary from that thread summed it up pretty efficiently.
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So let me recap.
We have an illiterate Droid Razr owner posting on the Droid X2 forums about talking on the phone with a Verizon representative about an unlocked bootloader (even though Verizon doesn't do jack **** with android) for their phone, which is a Razr, even though she claims it will work for an X2 (actually she hasnt, she just posts about it in the X2 forums. The ****?). This person tells us that the unlock our phones, and it will come alongside an ICS distro at the end of April.
Okay, cool, I didn't believe a word of it, but that at least is a possibility worth considering. That is, until they posted more information.
So as we ask her more about why she's in our forums and why the Verizon rep would have this information (keep in mind, a rep would never have this information if even Motorola reps don't), and she drops a bombshell: she's got an unlocked bootloader. OUT OF ****ING NOWHERE. Not ONCE before this did she care to mention she was unlocked. This contradicts everything she said before this; why does she have it now if it's coming at the end of April.
Alright, let's move on.
So apparently, she found this bootloader unlock on the Verizon site. Again, this contradicts her own story in more ways than I care to mention. Not only that, but Verizon would NOT be in possession of such a tool. It's not as if they even know how to work with Android; they are a service provider!
And finally, she presents us with a file she claims she found on the Verizon site (which she did not) and that it will allow us to unlock our bootloader by entering (this is what I could decipher) a series of ones and then a string of 7 random numbers and letters.
K. I don't know why anyone is still trying. This is worthless. It seems I'm the only voice of reason whenever people try to troll us. This is what, the third time? Fourth? I can't remember.
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gaad0701 said:
Its cool Lite,
I knew this would happen one way or another, we are in the X2 forums you know
But as for you tkuligowski, I asked that we discuss the possibility that she is right, not the emotions involved in our entire forum or if she was a troll. I appreciate your opinion but unless you can actually contribute something useful to this thread please cease posting here.
It is annoying that you already began something I asked the community not to do on the first page of the freaking thread.
On a side note, I sent a PM to a couple of people to try to get MischiefsMommy out of her hole again.
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Are you serious you post a thread asking for peoples opinions on this and then you want me to not post because you don't like my opinion, or because it isn't what you intended for people to post? What you posted in your thread left this open for discussion. My opinion is its complete BS. Like someone said if we get an unlocked boot loader someone will have the tool or the means and post it. Not dance around answers and complain about migraines. Why even feed into it?
Also yes I do have a gnex but I still have my x2 and use it frequently at home. I too want an unlocked bootloader.
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