Warning Potential International Razr Maxx Buyers - Motorola Droid RAZR

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Only speculations and you don't have any sources for your statements.
ICS is set to release Q2 for RAZR (not MAXXX, don't know when they will receive it but i'm pretty sure Moto wont hold to long) in Europe and LATAM. Confirmed on Motorola's homepage.

romdroid. said:
Only speculations and you don't have any sources for your statements.
ICS is set to release Q2 for RAZR (not MAXXX, don't know when they will receive it but i'm pretty sure Moto wont hold to long) in Europe and LATAM. Confirmed on Motorola's homepage.
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Thank you. If you let me know what point(s) were speculated and how that effected the thread then I would be happy to engage in a debate with you.
1. Release of new phones from Motorola is inevitable
2. ICS delay is very clear with the update that is few days old. Why Motorola need to push an update when they are about to release a major update? Because they are not about to release ICS that soon
3. One major update per phone. Fact not a speculation. Release history of Motorola is very evident that is also practiced by other manufactures.
4. Motorola had never released the same number of updates for international users for a given Android version that they did for US users.
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Since you have accused my OP to be just speculations shouldn't you provide sources to prove me wrong in the interest of XDA members?

CSharpHeaven said:
I have previously started a thread in here on XDA stating what Motorola is up to in regards with international Razr Maxx. Please read it in the following link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25015770#post25015770
Now that it has been confirmed that International Razr Maxx will be launched with Gingerbread you want to read what I have to say to protect your investment.
As much as you want the Razr Maxx I want it to but with Motorola international buyers need to be extra smart. The release of ICS has been delayed in the US due to the launch of Razr Maxx internationally. For the time being, the US owners received an update which I hope the same updates are already applied to the international edition which is about to be released in the UK mid-May, otherwise the international edition of Razr Maxx would never receive any Gingerbread updates until ICS.
Motorola is releasing Razr Maxx close to the end of first half of 2012 with Gingerbread. This is intentional since Motorola would only provide one major update for its international phones. This will be a bad deal considering the timing when Jelly Beans is in the making and ICS is already over six months old. Google will push out Jelly Beans much quicker for boosting the Tablet market.
Now, in order for Motorola to release ICS for Razr Maxx they need to release their new phones first. There are already enough hints on the internet to know Motorola may have up to two new Razr variations that you might want to wait for since these new phones will be more powerful and will be released with ICS on board. These new phones are assured to get the next Android version.
Another important fact you need to consider is that Motorola can potentially take their time up to 18 months before releasing ICS for international users counting from the launch date in the respective countries.
Please consider my above points to avoid disappointments.
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On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.

For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.

sRDennyCrane said:
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"The release of ICS has been delayed in the US due to the launch of Razr Maxx internationally."
In 03 April, 2012 the european release of Razr Maxx was announced. Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...-coming-to-Europe-and-the-Middle-East_id28709
In 05 April, 2012 then there was a sudden delay in ICS release. Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...s-rezound-is-still-on-schedule-for-april-6th/
"I hope the same updates are already applied to the international edition which is about to be released in the UK mid-May, otherwise the international edition of Razr Maxx would never receive any Gingerbread updates until ICS."
I own two Motorola phones that were bought in the UK. None never released minor updates when the USA users have. To prove me, completely, wrong refer to the log history of Motorola Defy and Atrix on Motorola site because I'm not going to waste my time to satisfy your need for proof. You need equally make efforts to prove me wrong other than highlighting my words in red, otherwise next time you shouldn't challenge someone if you are not prepared to be challenged.
"This is intentional since Motorola would only provide one major update for its international phones."
I have already covered that. You are clearly don't know how things work in Android world. Besides, in practice this is what Motorola has done since they entered in Android game but they have never made it official about anything. Even in the following page they state the information is for guidelines, https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c. So you demanding for a proof shows how ignorant you are.
"Google will push out Jelly Beans much quicker for boosting the Tablet market."
Obviously you don't read much. Source to your precious citation fixation http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402724,00.asp
"Motorola can potentially take their time up to 18 months before releasing ICS"
Do you read much? Obviously not otherwise you would know about Google's agreement with manufacturers. Source: http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/ My statement is a fact to a potential event.

mlst1 said:
On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.
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Every UK sites listing Razr Maxx with Gingerbread. Considering most phone distributed from Germany I found it strange that ICS would be on Razr Maxx.

Nikorasu said:
For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.
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Thank you. One of the reasons to my OP.

maybe a kind note. but not a big warning. warning to me is an escalation to a very high level.
and to be frank, I have both GNex with ICS and Razr Maxx with GB.
I somehow don't know which one is better. meaning Stock GB works well for me.
And as a developer, because of such a big portion of phones now are using GB, I put extra care to make sure my app works in GB, while ICS is secondary when there is a conflict.
But ICS is the future, sure. for now, GB is the focus.

sRDennyCrane said:
*All Speculation. Citation needed..
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By the way, you are the same member who tried to discredit me in my other thread covering the same concerns. After your latest attempt I will no longer reply to your posts and if I recognised you sooner I wouldn't have bothered with you. Nevertheless, once again it is proven that my intentions are good whereas yours are not, in my threads.

I DO APPRECIATE OPs effort to put up a note to all of US
THANKS button clicked here.
Such threads are much more helpful than some pointless rants.

moto won't even update my Defy past 2.2 even though it would be trivial to release the 2.3 Defy+ ROM as an OTA for the older Defy midweek. moto sucks

iolinux333 said:
moto won't even update my Defy past 2.2 even though it would be trivial to release the 2.3 Defy+ ROM as an OTA for the older Defy midweek. moto sucks
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I own Defy too, not expecting much, just have been waiting for bugs to be fixed like forever.

mlst1 said:
On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.
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"We confirmed with Motorola that 4.0 is indeed coming with the new phones, but apparently other countries won't be getting the same treatment. In the UK, for example, it'll be shipping with Android 2.3, with an upgrade coming sometime in the second quarter. Ice Cream Sandwich may be "ready for the German market" already, as we're told, but we're not sure where Motorola currently stands on the rest of its upgrade roadmap." -- TheVerge
You were right to your claim but UK as I knew it will get Gingerbread. This will upset the US owners as Motorola has no even an estimate for the release date, true the last time I checked.
That could mean Motorola is targeting their new phones i.e. Razr variation for the UK market first just before releasing the ICS upgrade. In other words, the new phone(s) will arrive in Germany much later. Motorola must be very busy to take some of the fun away from Samsung in the UK where they are doing well and about to launch Galaxy S3 shorty before the commencement of the London Olympics.

Engadget just reported from a Verizon's leaked upgrade schedule that Razr and Razr Maxx ICS update is available via OTA in 21 May, 2012 and in full in 25 May, 2012. If accurate, at least Germans and USA users would get ICS almost at same time.

Nikorasu said:
For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.
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why? as soon as you buy those phones in a couple months something better will be out.

"There will also be a number of Motorola RAZR smartphones with the RAZR HD being one of them with a bigger and clearer display." -- ITProPortal source: http://www.itproportal.com/2012/04/26/htc-rival-galaxy-s3-appears/
The above mentioned handsets are expected in Q3 for Verizon.
In the same article you will read the following also;
"Not sure whether it will get Jelly Bean (Android 5.0) or Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). Either way, this Samsung Galaxy Note rival almost certainly means that there will be no follow up to the HTC Flyer."
I wasn't being out of this planet taking about Jelly Beans for 2012 appearance and link it to tables.

gunness1991 said:
why? as soon as you buy those phones in a couple months something better will be out.
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Even though you have a point but in this instance it looks like the release of Razr HD is too close to the release of Razr Maxx.

CSharpHeaven said:
Even though you have a point but in this instance it looks like the release of Razr HD is too close to the release of Razr Maxx.
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and the razr maxx was too close to the original razr.
see the pattern here?

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Moto razr bootloader

HI @ all.
I love the new MOTO RaZr,
but for the future... i dont know moto releases updates in germany for the razr. (Ice Cream and so on)
So has the Razr an unlocked bootloader or a locked one like Atrix ?
Thanx for answers, this will help my buy decision
It is locked but will be unlocken when motorola releases ICS.
Oh locked? Hmm
when motorola releases ICS...in 2013
I think i choose Galaxy S2 .
THX a lot
Wrong section, reported for move.
Ice Cream Sandwich has been promised for early 2012 both internationally and stateside.
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Ice Cream Sandwich has been promised for early 2012 both internationally and stateside.
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Honeycomb 2.3 was also expected in September 2011 in Europe, but has yet to be released
Motorola does not meet both the promises
at least for the European market
the RAZR is the flagship phone for VZW's holiday season. I doubt they'd even let Moto slip up.
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the RAZR is the flagship phone for VZW's holiday season. I doubt they'd even let Moto slip up.
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Until next week when the Droid 4 comes out.
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except Moto announced that the RAZR would be their focus..
let us hope
Check this for motorola Razr update to ics.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
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except Moto announced that the RAZR would be their focus..
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Yea. Till their next phone comes out.
desmonexus said:
Honeycomb 2.3 was also expected in September 2011 in Europe, but has yet to be released
Motorola does not meet both the promises
at least for the European market
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um, Honeycomb 2.3 huh? I'd love to see that!
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So, as far as moto saying they'll unlock the bootloader, thats one thing, but is anyone working on hacking it to unlock it sooner?? I thought the GSM version ships unlocked?
I got the GSM version and I think it is unlocked
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the RAZR is the flagship phone for VZW's holiday season. I doubt they'd even let Moto slip up.
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I think the galaxy nexus is their flagship phone.
melterx12 said:
I think the galaxy nexus is their flagship phone.
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nope. they're hyping the RAZR on their own. google is doing all of the nexus stuff themselves, bar the posterboards in stores. plus the nexus missed black friday which is most of the holiday seasons sales
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nope. they're hyping the RAZR on their own. google is doing all of the nexus stuff themselves, bar the posterboards in stores. plus the nexus missed black friday which is most of the holiday seasons sales
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I dont know it seems like verizon is making a new droid phone that they claim is the best phone on the planet every other month. I bet the razr will be succeeded by another droid soon lol
while that probably is true, it doesn't change the fact that the major part of the holiday season is already over, with the RAZR in the spotlight.
Verizon has advertising subsidized by Motorola to advertise the RAZR.
Google is the ones in charge of promotion for the Nexus, as well as Samsung, and Samsung doesn't subsidize Verizon's advertising, hence very little advertising done for the Nexus by Verizon.
Verizon & Moto have jointly stated that the RAZR is the flagship phone for Motorola until at least mid Q1 2012.
The Droid 4 will not supplant the RAZR in advertising space as a flagship phone, and therefore will not get the same development support as the RAZR will get for the time being.
The locked bootloader, is a Verizon decision, and really, it means next to nothing. I don't understand why it gets all the press, when an AOSP version of ICS will be ported to the RAZR sooner rather than later anyway, and why someone wouldn't want an AOSP version of android over the Motorola official version, really is beyond me.
AOSP (meaning Android Open Source Platform = basic build from the ground up) is a blank slate version anyway. It's much better than a Motorola official version. If you know how to root your phone at all, there's no point in waiting for the Moto official version of ICS with bloatware included.
AOSP's are far superior to these versions.
Also, the locked bootloader does not in anyway hinder the development community, and is not a roadblock to any development on the phone.
Does anyone truly understand what a custom kernel gets you anyway?? To be honest, not much at all these days. I've had custom kernels, and I've had 2nd init ROMS built over standard kernels, and the 2nd init ROMS actually performed as well or better than custom kernels.
A locked bootloader really is a good talking point, but doesn't hinder creative progress.
garlick2 said:
Also, the locked bootloader does not in anyway hinder the development community, and is not a roadblock to any development on the phone.
Does anyone truly understand what a custom kernel gets you anyway?? To be honest, not much at all these days. I've had custom kernels, and I've had 2nd init ROMS built over standard kernels, and the 2nd init ROMS actually performed as well or better than custom kernels.
A locked bootloader really is a good talking point, but doesn't hinder creative progress.
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That's a pretty bold statement. Doesn't hinder development at all huh? I think many devs would beg to differ on that one pal.

Verizon store visit yesterday

I went into Verizon to get a replacement x2 heading my way and the employee had said and I quote....you should get another X2 for your replacement...when a phone is on its way out they save several thousand for replacements. Straight from Verizon...our model which is not even a year old is going the way of the dinosaur. Future updates.....I wouldn't count on it. That's my take on what the Verizon employee said
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Sad, but not surprising.
Thats something I think we just have to get used to. With Android phones, so many are released every year that it doesnt take long for a brand new phone to become "outdated." You buy a brand new phone and 10 more phones are released the next month. Its annoying. lol
Just like when I buy "the latest and greatest". Two days later outdated rofl
Hy motcher41,
Not good not good at all. I had heard ICS possibly sometime early 2012. Got this Info from new Moto Forum Site today.
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A note about Ice Cream Sandwich:
We are planning to upgrade DROID RAZR™ by Motorola, Motorola RAZR™, Motorola XOOM™ and DROID BIONIC™ by Motorola to Ice Cream Sandwich. We will provide more precise guidance on timing after post-public push of Ice Cream Sandwich by Google, as well as any possible additions to this list of devices.
ImgBurn said:
Hy motcher41,
Not good not good at all. I had heard ICS possibly sometime early 2012. Got this Info from new Moto Forum Site today.
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A note about Ice Cream Sandwich:
We are planning to upgrade DROID RAZR™ by Motorola, Motorola RAZR™, Motorola XOOM™ and DROID BIONIC™ by Motorola to Ice Cream Sandwich. We will provide more precise guidance on timing after post-public push of Ice Cream Sandwich by Google, as well as any possible additions to this list of devices.
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You do know none of those are our phone right so we aren't getting ics
You do also realize if we ever did get official ics it would super bloat infested and blur packed just like our gingerbread.
I wonder if an x2 will even show up...probably be a DROID 3 or something
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Hy motcher41,
Yea I know that's why I put Quote.
ImgBurn said:
Hy motcher41,
Yea I know that's why I put Quote.
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Got ya.
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ImgBurn said:
Hy motcher41,
Not good not good at all. I had heard ICS possibly sometime early 2012. Got this Info from new Moto Forum Site today.
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A note about Ice Cream Sandwich:
We are planning to upgrade DROID RAZR™ by Motorola, Motorola RAZR™, Motorola XOOM™ and DROID BIONIC™ by Motorola to Ice Cream Sandwich. We will provide more precise guidance on timing after post-public push of Ice Cream Sandwich by Google, as well as any possible additions to this list of devices.
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I would think that with both LG and Samsung talking about updating phones that are up to 1.5 yrs old that Moto would do the same, just to keep in the game. Of course, Verizon has the ball in their court at the moment but they could lose a lot of Moto customers who want ICS on their phones.
The Droid X² is an amazing phone!!!
I find thatUSERS think phones like these are outdated because they don't have a front facing camera.............
By no means is the Droid X² perfect,but outdated it is NOT.
I just don't understand how one of the first dual-core phone came with only 512mb of ram...
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I would think that with both LG and Samsung talking about updating phones that are up to 1.5 yrs old that Moto would do the same, just to keep in the game. Of course, Verizon has the ball in their court at the moment but they could lose a lot of Moto customers who want ICS on their phones.
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Not for a couple years. Not many people are going to pay the early termination fee just to have ics. Where would you go for this many DROID phones to choose from? Att? Sprint? Sprint has crappy service if you don't live in a metro area or live on a major interstate I have found. Att is starting to get droids but will always be an iphone first carrier if you ask me. All the best droids will always be on the red asses network
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i dont think many users (like myself with unlimited data) would cancel their plans just to get a new phone AND tiered data.
i do however feel like many users will end up begging away for some early EARLY upgrade love.
which may also end up having verizon change some of their "rules" and stipulations in order for us to be eligible for an upgrade .
i wouldnt mind payin an extra say $50 on top of the "new service agreement" price in order to end up with a nice new nexus or rezound or razr etc....
ashclepdia said:
i dont think many users (like myself with unlimited data) would cancel their plans just to get a new phone AND tiered data.
i do however feel like many users will end up begging away for some early EARLY upgrade love.
which may also end up having verizon change some of their "rules" and stipulations in order for us to be eligible for an upgrade .
i wouldnt mind payin an extra say $50 on top of the "new service agreement" price in order to end up with a nice new nexus or rezound or razr etc....
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+1 for unlimited data I found Pandora about halfway through my billing cycle and now I am at 9gb of data and if I had better service at home I guarentee netflix would be streaming alot. I would say 60gb without teathering would be about what Id be at a month if not more.
It would be nice to see ICS on the x2, but it could go either way at the moment.
But at least my ROM will be back in development next week, giving you one more option to choose from.
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motcher, look into "Jango" in the Market if you don't have the paid version of Pandora.
It's the exact same principle as Pandora....but no ads or limitations on song changes.

[Q] will there be an ics stock update for droid razr?

if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
thx
marawan31 said:
if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
thx
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https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Here ya go.
Of course there will be an ics ota. There are many leaks. Moto built them. It is coming. I'm saying b4 end of July.
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if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
thx
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This maybe the single most discussed topic on this forum...
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Search before you post....plain and simple
OP obviously a master of 'look at any thread before posting'
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I juat whent over to droidrazr.com and did the leak. Works great if you dont want to wait
wow you guys need to relax. i did search before posting and i found the exact same link as the second post did. only problem is my device wasnt listed in the region. it says droid razr from usa is getting update on q2 2012. i have a droid razr from canada. so i had doubts. then i found out motorola droid razr is actually called motorola razr in canada. unfortunatly after i posted this thread.
You posted the? We answered
yea you answered lol others just attacked me
thx btw
Seriously, you asked if the DROID RAZR would get ICS....last time I checked that means it could be any DROID RAZR no matter where it is. You didn't mention anything about Canada or any other region. This has been discussed many times, wasn't trying to attack but it seems like a wasted thread when you ask if the RAZR will get ICS when its a pretty easy topic to find when you search
i guess my mistake was being too general
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Of course there will be an ics ota. There are many leaks. Moto built them. It is coming. I'm saying b4 end of July.
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End of July, huh? Based on what? So now you're predicting Q3? Motorola was updating ICS like crazy for awhile, but seemed to have stopped after .206....I predict it to be the final build and it will be released before end of June, probably sooner.
Honestly if you did a basic search you would've seen Motorola's official release for ICS for our Razrs among other Motorola devices for Q2. There are tons of threads pertaining to ICS release dates as well as rumors of its impending release.
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End of July, huh? Based on what? So now you're predicting Q3? Motorola was updating ICS like crazy for awhile, but seemed to have stopped after .206....I predict it to be the final build and it will be released before end of June, probably sooner.
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Just guessing. I am on ics 206 and it has a few little bugs. If they don't catch it then they may release it but I feel it needs more work. I hope they do drop it in June but I dunno. Verizon is your problem...not moto. The builds are already done. They should clean up another one before an ota drops.
Look at the nexus. Needs plenty of bug fixes being on 402 and 404 has been built since??? February and still no ota. I don't know what more confusing, the fact that the manufacturers are making the update or that the carriers are deciding when lol.
Manufacturers should be manufacturing and supporting their devices and carriers should be just that...carriers. nothing more.
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Just guessing. I am on ics 206 and it has a few little bugs. If they don't catch it then they may release it but I feel it needs more work. I hope they do drop it in June but I dunno. Verizon is your problem...not moto. The builds are already done. They should clean up another one before an ota drops.
Look at the nexus. Needs plenty of bug fixes being on 402 and 404 has been built since??? February and still no ota. I don't know what more confusing, the fact that the manufacturers are making the update or that the carriers are deciding when lol.
Manufacturers should be manufacturing and supporting their devices and carriers should be just that...carriers. nothing more.
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The main reason I dumped the Nexus was for the lack of CDMA support. You are exactly right about the 4.0.4 update, but it still didn't fix the radio (reception) issues. I ran the 4.0.4 leak until the day I ditched it, but the reception was very poor and that is a common complaint with the Nexus. My RAZR has near perfect reception. Hopefully ICS doesn't hurt it.
I bought my wife a nexus and its a solid device but some things are just not right. Not even compared to the 206 leak lol. I will say that the radios w the leak are pretty good. I seem to get faster 3g and better 4g but have a few random issues. Nothing major but it could be attributed to the new radios. I will say that battery life is a noticeable improvement on my maxx w ics vs gbread. Hard to believe it could get better but even leaving it unrooted and just disabling 30+ apps thru ics is great!
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Seriously, you asked if the DROID RAZR would get ICS....last time I checked that means it could be any DROID RAZR no matter where it is. You didn't mention anything about Canada or any other region. This has been discussed many times, wasn't trying to attack but it seems like a wasted thread when you ask if the RAZR will get ICS when its a pretty easy topic to find when you search
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Well, perhaps it's just semantics, but technically, by saying "Droid RAZR," that means the Verizon version and only the Verizon version. Verizon licensed the Droid name, and they're the only carrier in the world that legally has the rights to add it to the name of their phones. Everywhere else in the world, for every other carrier, this phone is called the Motorola RAZR. So by saying "Droid RAZR," the OP is actually referring only to the Verizon version, which makes the thread even more amusing since that's not the device that he/she is actually wanting to talk about. It wasn't too general, it was specific in the wrong way.
That said, I agree that a simple look through the threads on the first page of the forum would have provided the answer the OP was looking for. But, there's no way to make everyone fall in line with forum etiquette.
Well I guess we should talk to XDA and have them make a separate section for a "Motorola RAZR" so we don't confuse those with a Motorola RAZR or a "Motorola Droid RAZR" Lets make sure we are all technical about it jk
More sales?!?
The most surprising thing about Moto/Verizon and the delays in releasing ICS to all of their phones (including my Maxx!!) is that they are hampering additional sales of new devices to new users...yes, SALES...it makes the world go 'round. I'm a CEO of a group of manufacturing companies and, very simply, you do whatever it takes to continue making SALES. The Maxx is already so good, why wouldn't you hustle ICS out to these phones...you would see NEW customers lining up around Verizon stores to purchase these devices, and all exclaiming "iPhone who?" (incidentally, I gave up my 4S about a month ago to come back to the customization capabilities of Android to make my phone a better productivity tool than my iPhone 4S was...couldn't be happier, btw).
So wake up Moto/Verizon...generate more device SALES and satisfy your shareholders, if for no other reason....and crank out some ICS for everyone!!!
Doug

ICS update delayed for Europe

Hello everyone,
I subscribed to Motorola Owners updates post and here is what all subscribers received :
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/9e912ca283
(see last post)
Kind of disappointing but I prefer that they make a better update than just roll an unstable update just to be in time.
What do you think?
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FUUUUUUUU i was waiting for it to fix my random reboot on my ics leak ._________________________________.
My EU unbranded ICS rooted leak works perfect, so I don't mind waiting really.
It's business as usual at motorola giving the US customers their bloated verizon crap first tho.
Goodbye Moto.
Time to buy a Galaxy Nexus!
What I think? It is bs they had q1 and q2 to make a good update, they never gave any information accept that it would be released in q2, and now this?
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Clearley most of the "motoxperts" does not have any clue about what they are talking about. I emailed Motorola a couple days ago and they said it was still planned to be released Q2 and AFAIk the soak testers have got their emails.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Updated: 25-June-2012
And Europe is still Q2
Don't belive those son of *****es in the motoxpert. When Motorola announce officialy that the update is delayed then we will start the war!
I have emailed them again
On Polish Motorola Facebook page they also announced that ICS will be delayed for Europe:
"We've got official information for all waiting for software upgrade for RAZR and RAZR MAXX. The update will be delayed and we are not able to provide it to the end of the June as we planned. We are sorry. We are working on software changes which must be made to provide our users the best ICS new functions experience. We will keep you posted when we'll get confirmed ICS rollout date."
*Sorry for my english, I did quick translate
Source: https://www.facebook.com/motorolapolska/posts/492280034131333
Let the war begin...
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ectodroid said:
My EU unbranded ICS rooted leak works perfect, so I don't mind waiting really.
It's business as usual at motorola giving the US customers their bloated verizon crap first tho.
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Link to the leak mate?
So let alone they tend to the stupid Bloatware Verizon version first, they also managed to **** up something that was working all along.
Theres ICS for the HP Touchpad which was ported by fans, but a company such as Motorola can't even release it for their own phone on time. Amateurs. >_>
So much for moto being a top brand. This is the same story that has been plaguing their devices for a number of years now. Ill stick with my razr for now on official miui but i'll get rid later in the year.
Disappointed.
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Motorola = most lousy company ever! This is no impulsive statement because I've said all the time "if they can't deliver it in Q2, they lose all my respect and I'll never buy a motorola again" Well, now is the time, never again a moto!
One of the first rules in business I've learned, never disappoint your customer and think very very carefully before publishing a deadline / release date. Inform yourself very good. Especially when you have the worst reputation.
I thought, they can't be that stupid and the razr and its ics update are so much anticipated they can't afford it to their selves to ruin it again... But... they did!!
Congratulations to everyone at motorola involved in marketing, service&support and product updates.
I'm not surprised..
But I will eat them alive.
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Wow, it looks like some people need some more interesting things in their lives to focus more attention on rather than a free software update for a cell phone.
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Yup, Motorola Europe stated on their facebook:
For those asking for information about the ICS upgrade for RAZR and RAZR MAXX, we have had a delay which means we’re unable to roll out in Q2 as planned. We’re working through the changes that need to be made to the software to ensure you get the best experience from all the new features ICS will bring. We will update you when we have further details on a new roll out.
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Now let's just hope they won't stretch it to end of Q3, like the last promise...
Although I am a bit disapointed, I'm not going leave motorola just over this. I've had the same stuff when I had a samsung (i7500) and a HTC (Desire HD), so all companies do it. Well, or I should get a Nexus next time...
Ishari said:
Yup, Motorola Europe stated on their facebook:
Now let's just hope they won't stretch it to end of Q3, like the last promise...
Although I am a bit disapointed, I'm not going leave motorola just over this. I've had the same stuff when I had a samsung (i7500) and a HTC (Desire HD), so all companies do it. Well, or I should get a Nexus next time...
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I still have hope for kholk's kexec. If he manage to fix it I really dont care about moto updates anymore
All the brands have similar problems... I've owned HTC, Sony, Motorola and some more and I had update delays with all of them... except for an Archos tablet I had, that was updated to any android version really quick... but then it was plagued of bugs and they had to release a bugfix patch every week.. XDD I don't know what I prefer...
Cheers
I know what I prefer... Communication from Motorola, because I don't believe for a second this is something they came up with 3 days before the deadline. They knew it would not be released in Q2 but they lacked to communicate that, but more important they kept saying that it would be released in Q2 till today... again 3 days before deadline.
I wonder if we could take legal actions against that..
Mind it has nothing to do with a 'free' release of any update it has to do with the expectations buyers had of the phone with the promise of ICS in Q1 at first and Q2 later. I think allot of buyers would not have bought the phone if they knew what they know now, then again I would.
I am not too worried. Still a great phone. I have had much bigger issues with htc one x wifi problems.. a hardware fault. Oh and the nokia e6, many software issues. This phone still does a great job!
Mataraty said:
I know what I prefer... Communication from Motorola, because I don't believe for a second this is something they came up with 3 days before the deadline. They knew it would not be released in Q2 but they lacked to communicate that, but more important they kept saying that it would be released in Q2 till today... again 3 days before deadline.
I wonder if we could take legal actions against that..
Mind it has nothing to do with a 'free' release of any update it has to do with the expectations buyers had of the phone with the promise of ICS in Q1 at first and Q2 later. I think allot of buyers would not have bought the phone if they knew what they know now, then again I would.
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Legal actions? Good luck with that one.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Legal actions? Good luck with that one.
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It is a question not a statement.

Cut the crap. What are our chances of getting Jelly Bean?

So, I'm sure it's not only me wondering this... Are we getting this thing ever?
most likely, lots of "feature updates" and motorola is 'part of' google now. gotta think they will support their flagship phone of 2012
Of course, even if we are going to get it we won't get it for at least another year, maybe year and a half.
I hope that with the release of the pdk the thing will go better, but i don't belive that we will get it soon
Zadabest said:
So, I'm sure it's not only me wondering this... Are we getting this thing ever?
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10 Buy device
20 LOVE device
30 Learn new OS coming
40 HATE device
50 Whine until update arrives
60 GOTO 20
70 END
Official from Verizon/Motorola: <50%
From the devs: >95%
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amfetamine said:
Official from Verizon/Motorola: <50%
From the devs: >95%
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Irl, 0%
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ExtraDan said:
Irl, 0%
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Reading post after post from you, it seems you're just a very negative person. Clearly you're anguishing over the disappointment your Razr has given you. I suggest you buy an iPhone.
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Reading post after post from you, it seems you're just a very negative person. Clearly you're anguishing over the disappointment your Razr has given you. I suggest you buy an iPhone.
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No, razr is the best phone I could have compare to my other Android devices, and I very happy with my razr.
The big disappointed I got, came from Motorola's developers and service.
And, no... Ios is bad, has no many options,the system designed for little kids/not intelligent people/lazy hoes/people who can't handle complicated os and etc.
I would never buy such low level device like iphone or ipad..
Iphone is like a console, like xbox or ps3.
And android is like pc.
Who's better? The pc.
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I'm assuming RAZR will get it, it is still one of the most up to date phones motorola have on offer.
Based on the ICS release I'd guess we get it rolling out about the same time the Nexus devices get Kola Kubes.
Hopefully at the same time motorola initially promise to keep the bootloader locked then decide to change their mind, completely ignore the promise and do the opposite.
Honestly, I think by the time we get it we'll all be ready to upgrade to a new phone if we haven't already. I'm gonna say Q2 2013...
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Honestly, I think by the time we get it we'll all be ready to upgrade to a new phone if we haven't already. I'm gonna say Q2 2013...
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No no no.. 2013? Motorola would never do such a thing... Be positive! Be realistic! We going to get this on 2019!!
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I don't really have much faith in Motorola updating our devices anytime soon. They're failing to meet their own release schedules for ICS so I don't see how they will have JB out anytime soon.
I was looking for a decent tablet and hoping to get a Prime but the Nexus 7 hits the price point perfectly so I ordered a 16gb one. Hopefully there isn't an issue with Google's release/shipping date so I can enjoy JB faster.
Considering how long it took them to push ICS I seriously doubt we will ever get and official Jelly Bean OTA update. Knowing Verizon they are probably going to EOL the RAZR/MAXX not long after the RAZR HD gets released. Constantly releasing new phones brings them more money... not supporting phones they have out already. The devs on the other hand will probably have one out soon.
fade79 said:
Considering how long it took them to push ICS
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Compared to who? The 7% who have ICS or the 93% who still don't?
I seriously doubt we will ever get and official Jelly Bean OTA update. Knowing Verizon they are probably going to EOL the RAZR/MAXX not long after the RAZR HD gets released.
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Funny, my Droid X went from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread and received several updates since.
Constantly releasing new phones brings them more money
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Hello and welcome to every phone manufacturer out there. Including Apple.
... not supporting phones they have out already.
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Nope.
The devs on the other hand will probably have one out soon.
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Well, that at least, is true.
By devs here on XDA: yes
By Motorola: no.
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Compared to who? The 7% who have ICS or the 93% who still don't?
Funny, my Droid X went from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread and received several updates since.
Hello and welcome to every phone manufacturer out there. Including Apple.
Nope.
Well, that at least, is true.
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Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/motorola-tweet.jpg
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
fade79 said:
Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
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They never promised they'd release it within 6 weeks, they promised that they'd release a list of devices that would get ICS. The Q2 release date was the only promise they ever made on it, and they've held to that for Verizon. On GSM, I'm not surprised they've pushed it back, because apparently there are some issues in this OTA and I'm sure they want to fix them up a bit, and then they'll push that update out as the first release for GSM users and a minor update for Verizon users. It probably won't that GSM users are waiting until the end of Q3 for ICS, it will probably be pretty soon.
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Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/motorola-tweet.jpg
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
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If you READ what that infamous tweet said, they promised to release DEVICES for ICS. This means devices that meet the hardware requirements for ICS. They in no WAY promised ICS in 6 weeks and there is no way you can twist those tweets to mean that.
Waiting for ICS was horrible. I literally checked for updates every day before I threw in my towel and flashed the LATAM ICS ROM (and loving it).
If the RAZR isn't going to get the support it deserves, would you guys contemplate say, selling your device and getting an HTC One X/Galaxy SIII?
I mean, our devices are still new and can fetch a hefty sum...

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