Hello everyone,
I subscribed to Motorola Owners updates post and here is what all subscribers received :
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/9e912ca283
(see last post)
Kind of disappointing but I prefer that they make a better update than just roll an unstable update just to be in time.
What do you think?
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FUUUUUUUU i was waiting for it to fix my random reboot on my ics leak ._________________________________.
My EU unbranded ICS rooted leak works perfect, so I don't mind waiting really.
It's business as usual at motorola giving the US customers their bloated verizon crap first tho.
Goodbye Moto.
Time to buy a Galaxy Nexus!
What I think? It is bs they had q1 and q2 to make a good update, they never gave any information accept that it would be released in q2, and now this?
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Clearley most of the "motoxperts" does not have any clue about what they are talking about. I emailed Motorola a couple days ago and they said it was still planned to be released Q2 and AFAIk the soak testers have got their emails.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Updated: 25-June-2012
And Europe is still Q2
Don't belive those son of *****es in the motoxpert. When Motorola announce officialy that the update is delayed then we will start the war!
I have emailed them again
On Polish Motorola Facebook page they also announced that ICS will be delayed for Europe:
"We've got official information for all waiting for software upgrade for RAZR and RAZR MAXX. The update will be delayed and we are not able to provide it to the end of the June as we planned. We are sorry. We are working on software changes which must be made to provide our users the best ICS new functions experience. We will keep you posted when we'll get confirmed ICS rollout date."
*Sorry for my english, I did quick translate
Source: https://www.facebook.com/motorolapolska/posts/492280034131333
Let the war begin...
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ectodroid said:
My EU unbranded ICS rooted leak works perfect, so I don't mind waiting really.
It's business as usual at motorola giving the US customers their bloated verizon crap first tho.
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Link to the leak mate?
So let alone they tend to the stupid Bloatware Verizon version first, they also managed to **** up something that was working all along.
Theres ICS for the HP Touchpad which was ported by fans, but a company such as Motorola can't even release it for their own phone on time. Amateurs. >_>
So much for moto being a top brand. This is the same story that has been plaguing their devices for a number of years now. Ill stick with my razr for now on official miui but i'll get rid later in the year.
Disappointed.
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Motorola = most lousy company ever! This is no impulsive statement because I've said all the time "if they can't deliver it in Q2, they lose all my respect and I'll never buy a motorola again" Well, now is the time, never again a moto!
One of the first rules in business I've learned, never disappoint your customer and think very very carefully before publishing a deadline / release date. Inform yourself very good. Especially when you have the worst reputation.
I thought, they can't be that stupid and the razr and its ics update are so much anticipated they can't afford it to their selves to ruin it again... But... they did!!
Congratulations to everyone at motorola involved in marketing, service&support and product updates.
I'm not surprised..
But I will eat them alive.
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Wow, it looks like some people need some more interesting things in their lives to focus more attention on rather than a free software update for a cell phone.
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Yup, Motorola Europe stated on their facebook:
For those asking for information about the ICS upgrade for RAZR and RAZR MAXX, we have had a delay which means we’re unable to roll out in Q2 as planned. We’re working through the changes that need to be made to the software to ensure you get the best experience from all the new features ICS will bring. We will update you when we have further details on a new roll out.
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Now let's just hope they won't stretch it to end of Q3, like the last promise...
Although I am a bit disapointed, I'm not going leave motorola just over this. I've had the same stuff when I had a samsung (i7500) and a HTC (Desire HD), so all companies do it. Well, or I should get a Nexus next time...
Ishari said:
Yup, Motorola Europe stated on their facebook:
Now let's just hope they won't stretch it to end of Q3, like the last promise...
Although I am a bit disapointed, I'm not going leave motorola just over this. I've had the same stuff when I had a samsung (i7500) and a HTC (Desire HD), so all companies do it. Well, or I should get a Nexus next time...
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I still have hope for kholk's kexec. If he manage to fix it I really dont care about moto updates anymore
All the brands have similar problems... I've owned HTC, Sony, Motorola and some more and I had update delays with all of them... except for an Archos tablet I had, that was updated to any android version really quick... but then it was plagued of bugs and they had to release a bugfix patch every week.. XDD I don't know what I prefer...
Cheers
I know what I prefer... Communication from Motorola, because I don't believe for a second this is something they came up with 3 days before the deadline. They knew it would not be released in Q2 but they lacked to communicate that, but more important they kept saying that it would be released in Q2 till today... again 3 days before deadline.
I wonder if we could take legal actions against that..
Mind it has nothing to do with a 'free' release of any update it has to do with the expectations buyers had of the phone with the promise of ICS in Q1 at first and Q2 later. I think allot of buyers would not have bought the phone if they knew what they know now, then again I would.
I am not too worried. Still a great phone. I have had much bigger issues with htc one x wifi problems.. a hardware fault. Oh and the nokia e6, many software issues. This phone still does a great job!
Mataraty said:
I know what I prefer... Communication from Motorola, because I don't believe for a second this is something they came up with 3 days before the deadline. They knew it would not be released in Q2 but they lacked to communicate that, but more important they kept saying that it would be released in Q2 till today... again 3 days before deadline.
I wonder if we could take legal actions against that..
Mind it has nothing to do with a 'free' release of any update it has to do with the expectations buyers had of the phone with the promise of ICS in Q1 at first and Q2 later. I think allot of buyers would not have bought the phone if they knew what they know now, then again I would.
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Legal actions? Good luck with that one.
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Legal actions? Good luck with that one.
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It is a question not a statement.
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Good news for everyone, as long as you read this forum you have the same dream of Photon 4G getting an update to ICS.
Well the official report is at Android Central, go ahead and check it out. I cant post url yet sorry, trust me you wont regret it.
Says rolling out in Q3, thats going to seem like forever.
Before the official rollout we would have a rather solid or even official cm9. not excited at all. And Q3, yes it seems like forever...
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Q3 is very far. Should be available Q2 at the very latest.
It makes me wonder just how big the development staffs at the developers are. Especially since the devices are very similar and we are getting a CM9 port, which is ICS, in developer spare time.
Q3 is light years away.
I imagine Sprint will have some other compelling ICS phones well before then.
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It makes me wonder just how big the development staffs at the developers are. Especially since the devices are very similar and we are getting a CM9 port, which is ICS, in developer spare time.
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Haha not as much as it should be. Have you looked at the total number of phones Motorola supports? There is like a gazillion phones. What all manufacturers need to do is limit the amount of phones they produce in such a short period. There is no need to make a Droid Razr when a Droid RAZR MAXX beats the Droid RAZR in every way and has a huge ass battery that can lasts for a long time on 4G LTE.
Basically Motorola is killing their own product by producing a product that is way better 2 months later which is bad business. Motorola should have just released just the RAZR MAXX and not waste any money and resources on a useless RAZR.
Same goes for Samsung and their Galaxy S II lines. AT&T first came out with the SGSII in Oct 2011, then a month later a SGSII Skyrocket with LTE in Nov 2011 and then finally a SGSII HD coming out in April 2012. Why need 3 variants of the same model? To me its just a waste of resources and money.
I just saw this @ Facebook
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
ronnienyc said:
Q3 is light years away.
I imagine Sprint will have some other compelling ICS phones well before then.
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I'm with you on that one. I will be able to upgrade by then so i'll probably be looking at other ICS devices. GNex would be nice.
ehh by the time q3 comes around, there will be different phones to choose from. have been sitting on my upgrade for over half a year -_-
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
thought this might bring some smiles
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yea by then moto will have some new ics-rockin, LTE slammin device out :/
lookin at around sept on a good note if its not delayed :O
Ya beat me to the punch! I just read it on Engadget
Although 3rd Quarter 2012 ... I will probably have a new phone by then.
This is to respond to post#7:
Agreed with you. They need to re-structure their business. That is how Apple capture the market. Really, they are driving their engineering team "NUTS" by doing it the way they are doing now. They should just have concentrate on a couple model.
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
Jeff_in_LA said:
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
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Er, correct me if I'm wrong. Unless were talking fiscal Q3 2012. Q3 2012 is Jul-Sep 2012. So it could come anytime in that time span.
Jeff_in_LA said:
ICS became available officially on 14 November 2011. Developers had it way before that.
3rd Q 2012 , This is approximate a year after, if they even hold to that timetable.
I thought Samsung sucked with updates!
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Now that the government has approved of the Motorola Mobility sale to Google, it is time for Google to shape up Motorola and tell them to stop releasing so many damn devices.
After reading the article below about a Moto exec blaming Google for slow Android updates because of the hardware, it got me thinking that part of the blame has to be on Google and not just the manufacturers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-5...exec-blames-slow-android-updates-on-hardware/
What Google needs to do in future releases is to provide the next Android code base to more than one chipset that is used for the flagship phone and provide the code to the Android partners months in advance. There should be Android code on a TI OMAP chip set, Qualcomm chipset and Nvidia Tegra chipset so that development can go faster. It is ridiculous to have to wait a year for an upgrade that should take longer than 3-4 months.
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Now that the government has approved of the Motorola Mobility sale to Google, it is time for Google to shape up Motorola and tell them to stop releasing so many damn devices.
After reading the article below about a Moto exec blaming Google for slow Android updates because of the hardware, it got me thinking that part of the blame has to be on Google and not just the manufacturers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-5...exec-blames-slow-android-updates-on-hardware/
What Google needs to do in future releases is to provide the next Android code base to more than one chipset that is used for the flagship phone and provide the code to the Android partners months in advance. There should be Android code on a TI OMAP chip set, Qualcomm chipset and Nvidia Tegra chipset so that development can go faster. It is ridiculous to have to wait a year for an upgrade that should take longer than 3-4 months.
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why should google be held to that standard? microsoft doesnt have to make drivers for all the motherboard, graphics cards etc... if that company wants to make a device thats got different hardware and design then its up to them to make sure its up to snuff.
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This is to respond to post#7:
Agreed with you. They need to re-structure their business. That is how Apple capture the market. Really, they are driving their engineering team "NUTS" by doing it the way they are doing now. They should just have concentrate on a couple model.
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Sprint restructure? Really? Thats as funny as a $2.00 crackhead hooker on Martin Luther King Blvd at 4:00AM in South Central LA going to Church the next day and finding the Holy Ghost!
Please, look at the phones they had available before? Lets not mention WiMax! The business model at Sprint is lay back and hide and don't take risk so we don't loose are jobs!! And the funny thing is, Sprint has more money than the other 3 cullular carries COMBINED, they can afford to take risk!!!
If you want, I can tell you about Sprints money!!!! (Or you can just go to the FTC and read about the ENTIRE nextel merger!)
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Sprint restructure? Really? Thats as funny as a $2.00 crackhead hooker on Martin Luther King Blvd at 4:00AM in South Central LA going to Church the next day and finding the Holy Ghost!
Please, look at the phones they had available before? Lets not mention WiMax! The business model at Sprint is lay back and hide and don't take risk so we don't loose are jobs!! And the funny thing is, Sprint has more money than the other 3 cullular carries COMBINED, they can afford to take risk!!!
If you want, I can tell you about Sprints money!!!! (Or you can just go to the FTC and read about the ENTIRE nextel merger!)
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Read the annual reports
Sprint had ($3.5B) net loss in 2010
Verizon had $2.5B net income in 2010
Sprint can't do a lot...
Removed the OP as well as other threads OP in protest due to the abusive I endured by some XDA members. In spite of reporting them to the moderates of the forums in question and my views were shared with more members than the abusers one of my threads was closed instead.
To those truly care about technology and its surrounding matters, please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. I will no longer be part of the XDA community. Thank you.
Only speculations and you don't have any sources for your statements.
ICS is set to release Q2 for RAZR (not MAXXX, don't know when they will receive it but i'm pretty sure Moto wont hold to long) in Europe and LATAM. Confirmed on Motorola's homepage.
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Only speculations and you don't have any sources for your statements.
ICS is set to release Q2 for RAZR (not MAXXX, don't know when they will receive it but i'm pretty sure Moto wont hold to long) in Europe and LATAM. Confirmed on Motorola's homepage.
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Thank you. If you let me know what point(s) were speculated and how that effected the thread then I would be happy to engage in a debate with you.
1. Release of new phones from Motorola is inevitable
2. ICS delay is very clear with the update that is few days old. Why Motorola need to push an update when they are about to release a major update? Because they are not about to release ICS that soon
3. One major update per phone. Fact not a speculation. Release history of Motorola is very evident that is also practiced by other manufactures.
4. Motorola had never released the same number of updates for international users for a given Android version that they did for US users.
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Since you have accused my OP to be just speculations shouldn't you provide sources to prove me wrong in the interest of XDA members?
CSharpHeaven said:
I have previously started a thread in here on XDA stating what Motorola is up to in regards with international Razr Maxx. Please read it in the following link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25015770#post25015770
Now that it has been confirmed that International Razr Maxx will be launched with Gingerbread you want to read what I have to say to protect your investment.
As much as you want the Razr Maxx I want it to but with Motorola international buyers need to be extra smart. The release of ICS has been delayed in the US due to the launch of Razr Maxx internationally. For the time being, the US owners received an update which I hope the same updates are already applied to the international edition which is about to be released in the UK mid-May, otherwise the international edition of Razr Maxx would never receive any Gingerbread updates until ICS.
Motorola is releasing Razr Maxx close to the end of first half of 2012 with Gingerbread. This is intentional since Motorola would only provide one major update for its international phones. This will be a bad deal considering the timing when Jelly Beans is in the making and ICS is already over six months old. Google will push out Jelly Beans much quicker for boosting the Tablet market.
Now, in order for Motorola to release ICS for Razr Maxx they need to release their new phones first. There are already enough hints on the internet to know Motorola may have up to two new Razr variations that you might want to wait for since these new phones will be more powerful and will be released with ICS on board. These new phones are assured to get the next Android version.
Another important fact you need to consider is that Motorola can potentially take their time up to 18 months before releasing ICS for international users counting from the launch date in the respective countries.
Please consider my above points to avoid disappointments.
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*All Speculation. Citation needed..
On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.
For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.
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"The release of ICS has been delayed in the US due to the launch of Razr Maxx internationally."
In 03 April, 2012 the european release of Razr Maxx was announced. Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...-coming-to-Europe-and-the-Middle-East_id28709
In 05 April, 2012 then there was a sudden delay in ICS release. Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...s-rezound-is-still-on-schedule-for-april-6th/
"I hope the same updates are already applied to the international edition which is about to be released in the UK mid-May, otherwise the international edition of Razr Maxx would never receive any Gingerbread updates until ICS."
I own two Motorola phones that were bought in the UK. None never released minor updates when the USA users have. To prove me, completely, wrong refer to the log history of Motorola Defy and Atrix on Motorola site because I'm not going to waste my time to satisfy your need for proof. You need equally make efforts to prove me wrong other than highlighting my words in red, otherwise next time you shouldn't challenge someone if you are not prepared to be challenged.
"This is intentional since Motorola would only provide one major update for its international phones."
I have already covered that. You are clearly don't know how things work in Android world. Besides, in practice this is what Motorola has done since they entered in Android game but they have never made it official about anything. Even in the following page they state the information is for guidelines, https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c. So you demanding for a proof shows how ignorant you are.
"Google will push out Jelly Beans much quicker for boosting the Tablet market."
Obviously you don't read much. Source to your precious citation fixation http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402724,00.asp
"Motorola can potentially take their time up to 18 months before releasing ICS"
Do you read much? Obviously not otherwise you would know about Google's agreement with manufacturers. Source: http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/ My statement is a fact to a potential event.
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On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.
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Every UK sites listing Razr Maxx with Gingerbread. Considering most phone distributed from Germany I found it strange that ICS would be on Razr Maxx.
Nikorasu said:
For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.
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Thank you. One of the reasons to my OP.
maybe a kind note. but not a big warning. warning to me is an escalation to a very high level.
and to be frank, I have both GNex with ICS and Razr Maxx with GB.
I somehow don't know which one is better. meaning Stock GB works well for me.
And as a developer, because of such a big portion of phones now are using GB, I put extra care to make sure my app works in GB, while ICS is secondary when there is a conflict.
But ICS is the future, sure. for now, GB is the focus.
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By the way, you are the same member who tried to discredit me in my other thread covering the same concerns. After your latest attempt I will no longer reply to your posts and if I recognised you sooner I wouldn't have bothered with you. Nevertheless, once again it is proven that my intentions are good whereas yours are not, in my threads.
I DO APPRECIATE OPs effort to put up a note to all of US
THANKS button clicked here.
Such threads are much more helpful than some pointless rants.
moto won't even update my Defy past 2.2 even though it would be trivial to release the 2.3 Defy+ ROM as an OTA for the older Defy midweek. moto sucks
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moto won't even update my Defy past 2.2 even though it would be trivial to release the 2.3 Defy+ ROM as an OTA for the older Defy midweek. moto sucks
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I own Defy too, not expecting much, just have been waiting for bugs to be fixed like forever.
mlst1 said:
On Austria/Germany - Website of Moto they claim that the new Razr Maxx will definitely start with ICS from the beginning....
So whats true now?
I admit up to the nearest past Moto was extremely awfull concerning support for european users - still lots of arrogance and ignorance for the european market.
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"We confirmed with Motorola that 4.0 is indeed coming with the new phones, but apparently other countries won't be getting the same treatment. In the UK, for example, it'll be shipping with Android 2.3, with an upgrade coming sometime in the second quarter. Ice Cream Sandwich may be "ready for the German market" already, as we're told, but we're not sure where Motorola currently stands on the rest of its upgrade roadmap." -- TheVerge
You were right to your claim but UK as I knew it will get Gingerbread. This will upset the US owners as Motorola has no even an estimate for the release date, true the last time I checked.
That could mean Motorola is targeting their new phones i.e. Razr variation for the UK market first just before releasing the ICS upgrade. In other words, the new phone(s) will arrive in Germany much later. Motorola must be very busy to take some of the fun away from Samsung in the UK where they are doing well and about to launch Galaxy S3 shorty before the commencement of the London Olympics.
Engadget just reported from a Verizon's leaked upgrade schedule that Razr and Razr Maxx ICS update is available via OTA in 21 May, 2012 and in full in 25 May, 2012. If accurate, at least Germans and USA users would get ICS almost at same time.
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For those who are waiting for a maxx should consider the upcoming razr hd or maybe galaxy s3 instead.
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why? as soon as you buy those phones in a couple months something better will be out.
"There will also be a number of Motorola RAZR smartphones with the RAZR HD being one of them with a bigger and clearer display." -- ITProPortal source: http://www.itproportal.com/2012/04/26/htc-rival-galaxy-s3-appears/
The above mentioned handsets are expected in Q3 for Verizon.
In the same article you will read the following also;
"Not sure whether it will get Jelly Bean (Android 5.0) or Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). Either way, this Samsung Galaxy Note rival almost certainly means that there will be no follow up to the HTC Flyer."
I wasn't being out of this planet taking about Jelly Beans for 2012 appearance and link it to tables.
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why? as soon as you buy those phones in a couple months something better will be out.
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Even though you have a point but in this instance it looks like the release of Razr HD is too close to the release of Razr Maxx.
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Even though you have a point but in this instance it looks like the release of Razr HD is too close to the release of Razr Maxx.
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and the razr maxx was too close to the original razr.
see the pattern here?
if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
thx
marawan31 said:
if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
thx
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https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Here ya go.
Of course there will be an ics ota. There are many leaks. Moto built them. It is coming. I'm saying b4 end of July.
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if yes please provide source and if possible the eta.
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This maybe the single most discussed topic on this forum...
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Search before you post....plain and simple
OP obviously a master of 'look at any thread before posting'
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I juat whent over to droidrazr.com and did the leak. Works great if you dont want to wait
wow you guys need to relax. i did search before posting and i found the exact same link as the second post did. only problem is my device wasnt listed in the region. it says droid razr from usa is getting update on q2 2012. i have a droid razr from canada. so i had doubts. then i found out motorola droid razr is actually called motorola razr in canada. unfortunatly after i posted this thread.
You posted the? We answered
yea you answered lol others just attacked me
thx btw
Seriously, you asked if the DROID RAZR would get ICS....last time I checked that means it could be any DROID RAZR no matter where it is. You didn't mention anything about Canada or any other region. This has been discussed many times, wasn't trying to attack but it seems like a wasted thread when you ask if the RAZR will get ICS when its a pretty easy topic to find when you search
i guess my mistake was being too general
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Of course there will be an ics ota. There are many leaks. Moto built them. It is coming. I'm saying b4 end of July.
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End of July, huh? Based on what? So now you're predicting Q3? Motorola was updating ICS like crazy for awhile, but seemed to have stopped after .206....I predict it to be the final build and it will be released before end of June, probably sooner.
Honestly if you did a basic search you would've seen Motorola's official release for ICS for our Razrs among other Motorola devices for Q2. There are tons of threads pertaining to ICS release dates as well as rumors of its impending release.
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End of July, huh? Based on what? So now you're predicting Q3? Motorola was updating ICS like crazy for awhile, but seemed to have stopped after .206....I predict it to be the final build and it will be released before end of June, probably sooner.
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Just guessing. I am on ics 206 and it has a few little bugs. If they don't catch it then they may release it but I feel it needs more work. I hope they do drop it in June but I dunno. Verizon is your problem...not moto. The builds are already done. They should clean up another one before an ota drops.
Look at the nexus. Needs plenty of bug fixes being on 402 and 404 has been built since??? February and still no ota. I don't know what more confusing, the fact that the manufacturers are making the update or that the carriers are deciding when lol.
Manufacturers should be manufacturing and supporting their devices and carriers should be just that...carriers. nothing more.
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Just guessing. I am on ics 206 and it has a few little bugs. If they don't catch it then they may release it but I feel it needs more work. I hope they do drop it in June but I dunno. Verizon is your problem...not moto. The builds are already done. They should clean up another one before an ota drops.
Look at the nexus. Needs plenty of bug fixes being on 402 and 404 has been built since??? February and still no ota. I don't know what more confusing, the fact that the manufacturers are making the update or that the carriers are deciding when lol.
Manufacturers should be manufacturing and supporting their devices and carriers should be just that...carriers. nothing more.
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The main reason I dumped the Nexus was for the lack of CDMA support. You are exactly right about the 4.0.4 update, but it still didn't fix the radio (reception) issues. I ran the 4.0.4 leak until the day I ditched it, but the reception was very poor and that is a common complaint with the Nexus. My RAZR has near perfect reception. Hopefully ICS doesn't hurt it.
I bought my wife a nexus and its a solid device but some things are just not right. Not even compared to the 206 leak lol. I will say that the radios w the leak are pretty good. I seem to get faster 3g and better 4g but have a few random issues. Nothing major but it could be attributed to the new radios. I will say that battery life is a noticeable improvement on my maxx w ics vs gbread. Hard to believe it could get better but even leaving it unrooted and just disabling 30+ apps thru ics is great!
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Seriously, you asked if the DROID RAZR would get ICS....last time I checked that means it could be any DROID RAZR no matter where it is. You didn't mention anything about Canada or any other region. This has been discussed many times, wasn't trying to attack but it seems like a wasted thread when you ask if the RAZR will get ICS when its a pretty easy topic to find when you search
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Well, perhaps it's just semantics, but technically, by saying "Droid RAZR," that means the Verizon version and only the Verizon version. Verizon licensed the Droid name, and they're the only carrier in the world that legally has the rights to add it to the name of their phones. Everywhere else in the world, for every other carrier, this phone is called the Motorola RAZR. So by saying "Droid RAZR," the OP is actually referring only to the Verizon version, which makes the thread even more amusing since that's not the device that he/she is actually wanting to talk about. It wasn't too general, it was specific in the wrong way.
That said, I agree that a simple look through the threads on the first page of the forum would have provided the answer the OP was looking for. But, there's no way to make everyone fall in line with forum etiquette.
Well I guess we should talk to XDA and have them make a separate section for a "Motorola RAZR" so we don't confuse those with a Motorola RAZR or a "Motorola Droid RAZR" Lets make sure we are all technical about it jk
More sales?!?
The most surprising thing about Moto/Verizon and the delays in releasing ICS to all of their phones (including my Maxx!!) is that they are hampering additional sales of new devices to new users...yes, SALES...it makes the world go 'round. I'm a CEO of a group of manufacturing companies and, very simply, you do whatever it takes to continue making SALES. The Maxx is already so good, why wouldn't you hustle ICS out to these phones...you would see NEW customers lining up around Verizon stores to purchase these devices, and all exclaiming "iPhone who?" (incidentally, I gave up my 4S about a month ago to come back to the customization capabilities of Android to make my phone a better productivity tool than my iPhone 4S was...couldn't be happier, btw).
So wake up Moto/Verizon...generate more device SALES and satisfy your shareholders, if for no other reason....and crank out some ICS for everyone!!!
Doug
So, I'm sure it's not only me wondering this... Are we getting this thing ever?
most likely, lots of "feature updates" and motorola is 'part of' google now. gotta think they will support their flagship phone of 2012
Of course, even if we are going to get it we won't get it for at least another year, maybe year and a half.
I hope that with the release of the pdk the thing will go better, but i don't belive that we will get it soon
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So, I'm sure it's not only me wondering this... Are we getting this thing ever?
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10 Buy device
20 LOVE device
30 Learn new OS coming
40 HATE device
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Official from Verizon/Motorola: <50%
From the devs: >95%
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Official from Verizon/Motorola: <50%
From the devs: >95%
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Irl, 0%
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Irl, 0%
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Reading post after post from you, it seems you're just a very negative person. Clearly you're anguishing over the disappointment your Razr has given you. I suggest you buy an iPhone.
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Reading post after post from you, it seems you're just a very negative person. Clearly you're anguishing over the disappointment your Razr has given you. I suggest you buy an iPhone.
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No, razr is the best phone I could have compare to my other Android devices, and I very happy with my razr.
The big disappointed I got, came from Motorola's developers and service.
And, no... Ios is bad, has no many options,the system designed for little kids/not intelligent people/lazy hoes/people who can't handle complicated os and etc.
I would never buy such low level device like iphone or ipad..
Iphone is like a console, like xbox or ps3.
And android is like pc.
Who's better? The pc.
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I'm assuming RAZR will get it, it is still one of the most up to date phones motorola have on offer.
Based on the ICS release I'd guess we get it rolling out about the same time the Nexus devices get Kola Kubes.
Hopefully at the same time motorola initially promise to keep the bootloader locked then decide to change their mind, completely ignore the promise and do the opposite.
Honestly, I think by the time we get it we'll all be ready to upgrade to a new phone if we haven't already. I'm gonna say Q2 2013...
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IP IHI II IL said:
Honestly, I think by the time we get it we'll all be ready to upgrade to a new phone if we haven't already. I'm gonna say Q2 2013...
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No no no.. 2013? Motorola would never do such a thing... Be positive! Be realistic! We going to get this on 2019!!
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I don't really have much faith in Motorola updating our devices anytime soon. They're failing to meet their own release schedules for ICS so I don't see how they will have JB out anytime soon.
I was looking for a decent tablet and hoping to get a Prime but the Nexus 7 hits the price point perfectly so I ordered a 16gb one. Hopefully there isn't an issue with Google's release/shipping date so I can enjoy JB faster.
Considering how long it took them to push ICS I seriously doubt we will ever get and official Jelly Bean OTA update. Knowing Verizon they are probably going to EOL the RAZR/MAXX not long after the RAZR HD gets released. Constantly releasing new phones brings them more money... not supporting phones they have out already. The devs on the other hand will probably have one out soon.
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Considering how long it took them to push ICS
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Compared to who? The 7% who have ICS or the 93% who still don't?
I seriously doubt we will ever get and official Jelly Bean OTA update. Knowing Verizon they are probably going to EOL the RAZR/MAXX not long after the RAZR HD gets released.
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Funny, my Droid X went from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread and received several updates since.
Constantly releasing new phones brings them more money
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Hello and welcome to every phone manufacturer out there. Including Apple.
... not supporting phones they have out already.
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Nope.
The devs on the other hand will probably have one out soon.
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Well, that at least, is true.
By devs here on XDA: yes
By Motorola: no.
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Compared to who? The 7% who have ICS or the 93% who still don't?
Funny, my Droid X went from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread and received several updates since.
Hello and welcome to every phone manufacturer out there. Including Apple.
Nope.
Well, that at least, is true.
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Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
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Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
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They never promised they'd release it within 6 weeks, they promised that they'd release a list of devices that would get ICS. The Q2 release date was the only promise they ever made on it, and they've held to that for Verizon. On GSM, I'm not surprised they've pushed it back, because apparently there are some issues in this OTA and I'm sure they want to fix them up a bit, and then they'll push that update out as the first release for GSM users and a minor update for Verizon users. It probably won't that GSM users are waiting until the end of Q3 for ICS, it will probably be pretty soon.
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Motorola promised ICS 6 weeks after its official release by Google.
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Releasing it the at the end of June is pretty far from their promise. And when other manufactures release ICS for their phones isn't relevant. This is about Motorola. So yes I have little faith in Motorola. If they had stated that ICS would be released for the RAZR in mid-2012 from the beginning I wouldn't complain. But that isn't what they promised.
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If you READ what that infamous tweet said, they promised to release DEVICES for ICS. This means devices that meet the hardware requirements for ICS. They in no WAY promised ICS in 6 weeks and there is no way you can twist those tweets to mean that.
Waiting for ICS was horrible. I literally checked for updates every day before I threw in my towel and flashed the LATAM ICS ROM (and loving it).
If the RAZR isn't going to get the support it deserves, would you guys contemplate say, selling your device and getting an HTC One X/Galaxy SIII?
I mean, our devices are still new and can fetch a hefty sum...
I called Motorola this morning regarding ICS spoke to them for a while got transfered etc, anyways the lady I spoke to last said the update did not get cancelled however for all I know she could have just told me that so I would shut up. She did also say she sent out a message to the delevopers regarding my concern. I told her about how Im not the only one with this issue and how theres more of us that have been waiting and we are about to give up hope. Do me a favor call them up 1-800-734-5870 lets jam their lines with our concern and HOPEFULLY they will actually start taking care of their customers.
I sent this email on the support page. I don't know if it will help any, but I guess it's worth a shot.
To Whom It May Concern,
My name is xxxxxxxxxx. I am a xx year old college student in xxxxxxx. My whole family (myself, my mother and father, and my sister) are on the same plan with Sprint. When our contract was up for renewal in the spring of 2012, I was the one who did all the research on phones for all of us to upgrade to. I extensively researched all of the options that Sprint offered at the time.
The biggest criterion that needed to be met was that the phone would be upgraded to Android 4.0 at least eventually. I wound up narrowing it down to the two options of the Motorola Photon 4g and the Samsung Epic 4g touch. When we got to the store to physically see the phones, I was still on the fence. What ended up tipping me over to the Photon side was the Sprint employees. The employees at Sprint recommended the Photon and my whole family decided to go with this phone. The phone is an excellent piece of technology and I have not regretted this decision in most regards.
I have, however, regretted the decision in one big way. Today I read the XDA Developers forums for the Photon 4g and was informed that the Photon was not going to get an upgrade. And I would like to make it known that this is NOT acceptable.
My family and I bought this phone on the premise that it would be getting Android 4.0. Were it not for this promise that was made by YOU, Motorola Mobility, this phone would not have even been in contention, and you would have lost out on a sale of 4 phones. But, as it was, the phone was to be updated to ICS.
But you reneged on that promise today. It turns out you lied to the masses and likely got many people to buy your phones because they met the criterion of an upgrade to ICS. You didn't deliver a full product.
Consider the following scenario: You buy a new car. This new car includes a wonderful warranty that protects you of any manufacturer defects for a certain period of time. A month after you drive the car off the lot, it breaks down and you need that warranty. But the company refuses to pay for your car to be fixed. The company did not deliver a full product that included all the promises made about it. This would NEVER be acceptable. But yet, it is somehow acceptable for you to go back on your promise to upgrade our phones to ICS.
There is still a large community of people who use the Photon 4G and are loyal to the phone. They all want ICS. But it's not coming.
In the future, my family and I will take these empty promises into consideration when getting new phones. It will certainly negatively affect the chances of us EVER purchasing a Motorola phone again.
Thanks,
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Hello friends!
This really sucks!!
6 months before, when I've bought Photon, Motorola officially stated that "Motorola Photon MB855 will get ICS update in Q3 2012", few months later they wrote that "ICS update will be ready in Q4", and now they simply cancelled rollout!
What kind of liars they are??
This is not just UNFAIR, this is FRAUD!
I've waited for so long, and now they say that I'm a fool!! And not me, also lots of people who use Photons and Atrixes!!
Dammit!
What can we do??
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What can we do??
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Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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John Kotches said:
Don't replace the photon with another Motorola when you upgrade.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am as well. And that's me being incredibly charitable.
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Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
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Well, I am VERY disappointed!!
Cause I've bought Atrix HD - used for a 5 minutes and... sold it out! Cause it badly lays in hand. And Photon. Photon is just perfect,
it's kickstand is magnificent not only to put it on table, but also to safely hold it in a hand.
****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
I have idea - we should write to Motorola Mobility support that cancelling ICS update is fraudulent,
and tell em to give us at least ICS tegra2 drivers for our developers!!
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
This sucks. I'm stuck with this POS phone that won't get upgraded because the insurance company didn't have any more of my Nexus S4g in stock. My S4g was an older phone and still got JB. How the hell can they expect people to continue to buy their products when they just throw the owner's under the bus.
I see a huge lawsuit happening
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****, how can phone, which was released only a year ago, already abandoned??
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It was EOL'd six months after it was released. Not happy with it but we were lucky to get any updates after January.
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I see a huge lawsuit happening
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its going to be difficult to do a class action lawsuit in the U.S. due to limits imposed by the Supreme Court. That was really one of the few ways of litigation to get the attention of companies. Its just too expensive for an individual consumer to take on a large company in anything other than small claims court.
On the other-hand, having Motorola defend a couple thousand small claims cases (some of which cannot be done by attorneys) will quickly become more expensive for them than the original ICS rollout.
It would be difficult to show that MM broke any contract by not providing ICS (dont think there are any guarantees for a software update), but it should be easy to prove that they materially harmed consumers with the 2.3.5 update from 2.3.4 that locked bootloaders.
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I'd be happy with them unlocking bootloaders but not breaking 4G -- then we can use a community ROM or perhaps CM10 or... You get the point though.
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F'ing this, so hard. I'm talking Long Dong Silver on a t-shirt of blow hard. I'm talking Stallone in Rambo hard. I'm talking Hard Knock Life Volume 1, 2 and 3. I'm talking Hard. I hate Motorola, and I hope someone farts in the office and its unbearable.
It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
Didnt google state that all android devices get updates including operating system updates for 2 yrs or did i miss read that?
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It would need to be approached by the State Attorney General's offices...with the position that in 2010 Moto Mob committed to upgrades as part of the Android Upgrade Alliance...and thereby profited from consumer's based on the public affirmation & marketing that Moto was committed to upgrade the devices they sold during that time.
Since the AG often acts to protect their states constituents...that would put a whole heap of pressure on Moto. Besides some major news outlet picking up the story, that's about our only shot...
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Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
That doesnt surprise me
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Lokifish Marz said:
Try and find any official word on the Android Upgrade Alliance. I looked for two hours and found nothing after the Google I/O announcement.
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"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
As you can see the official google blog post is May 10, 2011.
Photon was officially released July 31, 2011 and thus would have qualified as a "new device" at the time of the May 10, 2011 official blogpost.
Other than the I/O announcement and press release you linked there's nothing from any of the "Update Alliance" partners after that. Find anything dated 2012.
after the I/O I dont think it was officially mentioned again.
Note how they say they'll do it if the "hardware allows." We know it will work but they'll use that as some copout!
If MOTO is reading about our rage on no ICS, they will count how many people are disappointed. Based on the number of reply in multiple threads here, it appears only few of us are fuming.
In the age of twitter, facebook and google+, we should be able to force Moto to treat the customers with respect and atleast keep their promise !
but .. numbers count.