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Hi, probably stupid question, I think it is samsung but I am asking to be sure...
who to blame for the delay on updating our phones to the newest android os (sam or tmobile)?
it is a shame u buy a really expensive phone for it to some months later get totally forgotten by "original" brand developers...
Obviously T-Mobile. Samsung released two versions of GB for the international Galaxy now yet apparently T-Mobile is playing a money gamble here that would cost her some bad reputation and very pissed customers in the long run.
It's already happening.
oh I see, thats why I ask...
fu$% yeah, I am from Chile and here you can't really trust service providers... that is one of the reasons, besides price, I bought a US version of this phone. This is a little frustating and even there are cool developers I doubt in the short run I will be able to change my phone every 5 months to meet the alternative developers situations...
anyways, I think I will reconsider getting t mobile the next time...
None of the US Galaxy S variants received GB yet, tmobile was first to give us Froyo so its the best you'll get out of the pack
I didn't know that!... still think that doesn't make it better though....
less crappy option still crap i think...
anyways, I am not changing my vibrant anytime soon so hopefuly they are working on it
Abu-7abash said:
Obviously T-Mobile. Samsung released two versions of GB for the international Galaxy now yet apparently T-Mobile is playing a money gamble here that would cost her some bad reputation and very pissed customers in the long run.
It's already happening.
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I'm not completely sure. The first 2.2 release on Kies felt like a beta to me. Samsung definitely hadn't provided a completely polished build up to that point. (End of January? Or was it February?) Is it really all T-Mobile's fault?
Also, if it was really being held by the carrier, why didn't Samsung at least throw us a bone and release the kernel source last Fall?
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I'm not completely sure. The first 2.2 release on Kies felt like a beta to me. Samsung definitely hadn't provided a completely polished build up to that point. (End of January? Or was it February?) Is it really all T-Mobile's fault?
Also, if it was really being held by the carrier, why didn't Samsung at least throw us a bone and release the kernel source last Fall?
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where's the money in that?
well hopefully the sg2 wont fall due to that same problem i hope
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I'm not completely sure. The first 2.2 release on Kies felt like a beta to me. Samsung definitely hadn't provided a completely polished build up to that point. (End of January? Or was it February?) Is it really all T-Mobile's fault?
Also, if it was really being held by the carrier, why didn't Samsung at least throw us a bone and release the kernel source last Fall?
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Samsung can't release anything not approved by the carriers. It had tried to push us an update and T-Mo had gotten pissy because they didn't want to use KiesMini. I rem that they yanked it so fast that most ppl didn't even notice Samsung had anything up in the first place.
When it gave us FroYo, I think that was a bit of an act of rebellion because with the #neveragain campaign picking up steam like it was doing, the late updates was blackening Samsung's already tarnished rep. It was a bit like an f-off to T-Mo USA because they've been trying to push an update since last yr if IIRC.
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Samsung can't release anything not approved by the carriers. It had tried to push us an update and T-Mo had gotten pissy because they didn't want to use KiesMini. I rem that they yanked it so fast that most ppl didn't even notice Samsung had anything up in the first place.
When it gave us FroYo, I think that was a bit of an act of rebellion because with the #neveragain campaign picking up steam like it was doing, the late updates was blackening Samsung's already tarnished rep. It was a bit like an f-off to T-Mo USA because they've been trying to push an update since last yr if IIRC.
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That's part of my point though. The update they did release seemed pretty half-baked, didn't it? That makes it seem like Samsung wasn't just waiting on T-Mobile after all, but instead were scrambling to update the phone in response to the negative PR.
I definitely agree that carriers are generally the problem...I'm just not 100% sure in this case. Definitely never buying a Samsung again unless there's a contractual obligation guaranteeing reasonably on-time updates.
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That's part of my point though. The update they did release seemed pretty half-baked, didn't it? That makes it seem like Samsung wasn't just waiting on T-Mobile after all, but instead were scrambling to update the phone in response to the negative PR.
I definitely agree that carriers are generally the problem...I'm just not 100% sure in this case. Definitely never buying a Samsung again unless there's a contractual obligation guaranteeing reasonably on-time updates.
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Its all about the carriers cuss look at the i9000 they get tons of updates but they factory unlocked, thats why, they dont have to be waiting for any carrier to aprove updates...
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
UPDATE:
It now appears to be a definite "maybe". Attached is a another screenshot from Moto's Forums. I know I'm getting slack for posting this, but common someone had to look into this. Don't shoot the messenger!
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Regardless of where these "reps" are located, these people are suppose to represent Motorola. If they can't get their answers straight then its a bad reflection on the company.
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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I'm sure someone will port it over.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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this assumes the csr in chat actually knows something beyond what was publically announced. history says they dont know.
i will be extremely surprised if ics isn't made available.
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i talked with a sprint employee today and they said the galaxy nexus WILL NOT be coming to sprint. so being rather upset about it i asked about the iphone 5 and they told me there is no such thing and there are no plans for it.
so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
just figured id post that info in here rather than starting my own thread.
but on a serious note moto reps are told nothing that they dont need to know, just the same as everyone else
Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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Haha. Funny man . Well since no information was out there regarding the update, I went the route of inquiring with them. I really hope that they were wrong, but right now (unless someone can get a different answer from them) this will be fact and I'll wait for a port over.
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so not only did i learn that the packing slip showing the galaxy nexus for sprint was wrong, but apple is no longer going to be making iphones.
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i knew quantum entanglement was powerful but didn't realize it could take a product out of your hands
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I think that once the photon gets it's fully unlocked bootloader development will really take off as right now not a lot of people are willing to unlock their phone. Also we got two different guys working on CM7.1 so I would be shocked if we don't having people jumping on CM8 when the source is dropped. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about it, we'll get it and hopefully without motoblur(CM8).
This is very disappointing news if it turns out to be true. I have wanted this phone since it was announced, I have loved it since I bought it. I have been able to get over the locked bootloader but it would be very frustrating if ICS is denied to this phone and especially since I have to wait 20 some months before my next equipment discount.
This really means nothing, those are the first supported devices that they are planning for. Motorola already tweeted saying that other devices will get ICS within 6 weeks of Google's push.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/10/24/motorola-speaks-up-about-ice-cream-sandwich-updates-razr-bionic-and-xoom-to-be-the-first-will-confirm-more-later/
Those reps work in a damn call center. I find no merit in this thread or the rep you spoke to. As a previous poster stated, they are only given information they need to do their job...which is answer phones or messages and they rarely do that right! Besides, motorola would make this type of information official on their own, not through some jerk off answering IMs
Need I mention the MoPho has all the specs required under the hood to run ICS...time will tell
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Hey buddy you don't have to be all hostile. I only relayed what they said. They represent Motorola and at this time this is the only fact they've given out regarding the fate of the Phone. If you find "No Merit" on this thread they why bother chiming in?
I'm on a FACT finding mission here because we owners want the latest OS. Yes this phone has the specs to do it I agree with you there, but someone in Motorola needs to take this Phone serious and come out with a timeline or something to let us know what is going on. Unfortunetaly this has close to official that I was able to get.
Lol all I have to say is your 100% correct the agents at moto do not know when software updates. The only way ill believe anything is if a Dev from Moto says so. This is from The knowledge of actually working in a call center. They wont know **** lol
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Nearly every phone I have researched on Android has gotten one upgrade from where it started, and some have gotten two. This phone started GB, it'll eventually get ICS. There simply has not been an official announcement yet, and I have a feeling the call center won't know anything until we do. Also, there isn't an iphone 5 YET. There's no way Apple will give up on such a popular gold mine. I just have a feeling call centers deal in official, announced information, not rumors. ICS for photon and iphone 5 release and Sprint Nexus Prime are all rumors at this point. A call center saying no doesn't mean anything.
Lol! Hostile? Bud, I wasn't being hostile toward you...all I'm saying is those morons don't know jack. We will have our ICS....Don't fret my little 'MoPho'ers!
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i have to agree that if you think that little peon answering the phone knows anything but how to connect you to support in India you are sadly mistaken
I don't care if gets ICS, I love the way it runs with GB! It has been the best experience with android in a phone after HTC Hero, Moment, EVO, Nexus s and ET4G.
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It is with great sadness and anger that our "investment" of my much beloved Photon 4G will not be getting Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0). I found out today when I decided to engage Motorola to find out if the Photon 4G will get the update. (See Screenshot of the Chat). So unless CyanogenMod gives us a custom ROM, we just got shafted by Motorola.
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If we don't get the official release of ICS for Photon maybe coz Photon sold by Sprint carrier. You should ask Sprint rather than Motorola coz the update will be made if Sprint ask Motorola support.
But I'm pretty sure we will get ICS official or not coz someone must be on to it.
Don't worry Mophon owners about lack devs. We will be get ICS before new year
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I thought Google had some rule (for lack of a better way of putting it) that states that manufacturers and carriers have to support Android phones for 18 months. But I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that OS upgrades are part of the deal.
Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
Google doesn't have live phone support....wtf
Emailing them I guess
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I will back you up 100% on this because I'm sick of being pushed around by Verizon and I really want to switch my carrier but ofcourse motorola has to stick it to me. Any reply from google yet?
No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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No. The best thing I can seem to do is post a question on "google groups" / Google Mobile Help Forum....
I don't have time to sit here and write an essay, so I'll ask you guys to do it for me. Let's all come up with a well thought out, well rounded informative post for them to read. Save the questions for the conclusion.
I also think we should all post these questions, email them, just plain old flood them with a ridiculous amount of bootloader unlock requests. Let them know we want to be on the same level of development that samsung and htc owners are on. They have to give in sooner or later, don't they? We should probably also pass this info around to other motorola forums and get them in on the fun. A small group of users from one specific model probably won't convince them to budge
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the bootloader is part of the hardware, so petitioning google isnt going to do anything, you guys need to keep up with moto-rizon, not google
Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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RoyJ said:
Call Moto then. The rep told me they had nothing do with unlocking them. I asked him specifically to repeat himself after he told me Motorola "couldn't unlock bootloaders if they wanted to"
I told him it was the coding of the phones partitions that were made by Motorola. He told me I was mistaken and Google would have to unlock the bootloader. It's up to Google, not Motorola. He made that more than clear. I'll try calling back later & record the call for you to hear.
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google is all for unlocked bootloaders & development from 3rd party, so imho moto is feeding you bull****, bro
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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RoyJ said:
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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bro, no disrespect and sorry if I made it seem that way. Google has acquired Motorola, but they're keeping their noses out of that. they just purchased Motorola for their patents.
and sorry I don't really have any sources right now, but let me see if I can look up some after work or in the next few days.
Hopefully someone'll come in here and see that and then back me up or you, I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read from other members in this forum, also I've read it on twitter through the major android forums and such.
Google doesn't control bootloaders its that simple. Bootloader is controlled by the manufacturer and or provider. Samsung and HTC have allowed unlocked bootloaders for various devices this should disprove the moto rep. You should look outside this forum for info and should never listen to a phone jockey who gets paid to make moto look good.
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RoyJ said:
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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Okay I just sat on hold with Motorola Android Support for 45 minutes and came back with the following info that the rep got for me while on hold.
Motorola is NOT currently in talks to unlock ANY android smartphones on any carriers.
Motorola does not plan on unlocking its bootloaders any time in the future due to "security" resasons.
AFTER telling me that, he told me that Motorola is only responisble for the HARDWARE of the phone and that ALL software for it is created by Google and if we want unlocked bootloaders we need to petition GOOGLE, not Motorola... Currently calling Google.....
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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That's a bunch of bulls***. Google may continue the overall development of the Android platform, but each device-specific build is entirely the responsibility of the manufacturer. The bootloader isn't even a part of Android! All you got from that talk was Motorola trying to get you to quit bothering them. Verizon and Motorola are the two parties we need to talk to.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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Seriously, why the hell are "they" putting up such a fight!!!! We are completely aware that we fully void our warranty when we do stuff like this. Just give us the damn unlock code and send it out with an agreement that we acknowledge what we are doing with our phones. They will make many many happy people and maybe even keep us as Motorola consumers. But as many others have said...this will more than likely be my LAST Motorola device.
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It's likely that it has more to do with forcing people to use the moto/verizon software. Don't listen to any of the reasons they give.
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Gross
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Moto can unlock bootloaders. Don't believe their garbage. Google has absolutely nothing to do with this. You either spoke to a misinformed employee who really shouldn't be spreading false information or they just don't want to be bothered with the bootloader thing. I've stated before in other threads that moto has a terrible business ethic, all I've heard from them are lies if you even hear from them at all. I won't be supporting their company in the future by purchasing moto products. I've had a very disappointing experience with this phone and the lack of support that moto and Verizon have given. I've had this phone for a year now and I'm still stuck with it until February. Frankly, that's depressing to think about. It's unfortunate that moto deals with their customers this way. If it weren't for the consumer buying their products their company obviously wouldn't exist. Why wouldn't they listen to customer concerns instead of acting like a two year old and ignoring every one of is. I guess what I'm getting at is that given the information we need to make a decision about whether or not this company is worth supporting or even worth the time petitioning when they won't budge for customer interest.
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Google doesnt control all the software for all devices. Theres a reason why Motorola has blur, HTC has sense and Samsung has touchwiz. Each company takes the open source software made by Google and makes it their own. Just like how all our ROMs are built. Developers take whats already made and tweak it. The only Android Software that is all Google is the phone they first release with the latest software on it, which has been the nexus series. Google doesnt control how the phones are made or how the software is developed for it. The locked bootloader is all motorola and verizons fault.
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It's great that their techs are so informed.
What actually happens is Motorola gets a copy of Android, loads it up with terrible code, then slaps it on the phone.
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RoyJ said:
No need to get that way, thanks.
Respectfully, how do you know that? What are your sources? I'd like to be informed as possible on the subject, so please, enlighten me.
Edit: Motorola was recently acquired by Google, so... wouldn't they have a say? At the very least...
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It is a blame game dude... I tried the lot Refer to one of my old threads in this section, about filing a BBB complaint against Moto. I called Verizon, and they said that they have nothing to do with the software and that it is something Motorola has to deal with. Then, I called Motorola, and they said that they have no intentions of doing any unlocking and I think they also put blame on the carrier, saying that if carrier permits, they will do so... And I believe I was answered by the Motorola Corporate Office and so what I was told must be authoritative... If not, then Moto is a ****ty AND shady company that you would rather not do business with...
And as far as I know and can tell, Google has nothing to do with anything here... It is either Motorola OR Verizon's fault. And I believe they are just making you run around like nuts... My advice (sadly) is to man up, ditch the Motorola phone as soon as you can, financially AND then flip 'em off for satisfaction (may be email customer support, or they call center and rant saying how they lost another customer) and never look behind. I AM NOT joking... This is possibly the fastest and best way you can move on to a better phone. There is no point trying to do anything with Motorola as of now...
One of the XDA members told me something that made the most sense... Moto manufactures their phones with the bootloader locked, and so no service provider will willfully ask them to remove said "protection" and so, the whole unlocking conversation never occurs and so the bootloader remains locked. Moto also obviously doesn't push for it... I don't remember the whole argument, but it made sense then. I'll update this when I find that post or recollect the argument... Bottom line, you are going to waste a lot of time, just like I did...
By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
More: http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10...ver-missing-exynos-docs/#.UHVMN3qlP4Q.twitter
Spread the word to your friends in other device forums, etc to join the fight!
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
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Also https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
This thing is growing to a serious amount right now and I like it
There are a growing amount of threads about the source code issue:
Note N7000:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901
Galaxy SII I9100:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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Even if it is lg Google should solve the horrid software updates
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Nope. I'll still buy Samsung devices. They have the best hardware and design IMO, and I actually like Touchwiz.
i'm pretty phone-agnostic. but i'll avoid HTC and Moto like the plague because of actual hardware
will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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huh?
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up. And look at how much emphasis they've placed on the whole emmc brickbug issue. They have great design and hardware elements, but if there are less devs to support the continuity and customization of these Samsung devices, then it makes all the more sense for me to jump ship. I don't like the other manufacturers, but if they are more supportive of developers in terms of code release, etc. then that's where i'll be heading. Or I might just buy a Nexus device. Samsung needs to stop being so darn stingy.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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djluis48 said:
Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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So true. One of my co-workers was a staunch Blackberry fan; when his phone tanked and he went back to our telecoms provider (the S3 had just been released), he convinced them to upgrade him to an S3 instead of replacing the dead BB with another one. Now he's complaining about the JB update taking so long, etc. , and he can't wait for his warranty to run out so he can root... lol
Even my friends who mostly go for iPhones where I am (so many of them it's ridiculous) are on average more tech savvy than I usually think, but the people with Android phones more often want to learn about rooting and roming and they come to me for that and I always lead them here. So it isn't just the tech geeks now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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thats the thing... they don't NEED to do anything but provide the hardware and warranty. it doesn't matter to them, as a large corporation, if people mod the phones or not. people will still buy the hardware.
the relatively few of us that want the full support are nowhere near the amount of people that just don't care... which is exactly why (it makes me feel dirty saying it) apple can get away with phones that are nothing more than functioning paperweights compared to what we do with out phones. the masses dictate the sales, not us as a small group (in comparison).
samsung will just come out with a better version of TW to try and get people to not want full support, thats a better business model for them when you think about their users as a whole.
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
Lucke said:
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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I would say its "Marketing 101", and the term you might be looking for is Niche Market.
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A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing. So the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
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Doesn't matter which business model they follow, it isn't hard to publish documentation. We aren't asking them to dev for us, just release the damn information so our devs can do what they do easier and better!
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I have the deal of a life time phone geeks!!!
$349.99 will get you a dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. Even if a security flaw is found that allows for the theft of all your data....NO UPDATE FOR YOU. Even if every other manufacturer (except Micromax) has updated their Tegra2 phones.... NO UPDATE FOR YOU. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will throw in a car dock for FREE! So what do you say!
"So how stupid do you think I am?"
For $599.99 will get you can get yet another dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will even charge you the original price of $59.99 for that cardock!
As of this post the Electrify and Photon are still being sold by Motorola as current phones even though they have abandoned both phones. Nowhere in the item description is it stated that the phones are no longer supported by Motorola.
Comedy
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Wow, that's motofail at an epic level
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i bought 4. anyone think these are gunna take off like beanie babies did?
Shame on you Motorola (again)
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It will get even funnier if you pass it along to your State Attorney General's Office, FTC and Sen. Al Franken. Selling them as current devices even though they are discontinued/EOL'd by the carriers and unsupported with regards to security updates is shady at best.
The new head of Motorola talks about earning our trust and but gives us nothing but meaningless PR about how Motorola is changing. Someone needs to sue them if at all possible. Maybe we could sue for the source to the atrix leak, I know someone managed to threaten HP into releasing source when they accidentally left android on a few touchpads. Motorola might have to state that it was an actual hack that caused the leak, if it was an employee(most likely) then they might be legally required to provide source code. I could be way off though, the GPL is somewhat murky when it comes to this.
Lightsword1942 said:
The new head of Motorola talks about earning our trust and but gives us nothing but meaningless PR about how Motorola is changing. Someone needs to sue them if at all possible. Maybe we could sue for the source to the atrix leak, I know someone managed to threaten HP into releasing source when they accidentally left android on a few touchpads. Motorola might have to state that it was an actual hack that caused the leak, if it was an employee(most likely) then they might be legally required to provide source code. I could be way off though, the GPL is somewhat murky when it comes to this.
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Yes sir
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Well, business are business, they only want to earn money
Lokifish Marz said:
I have the deal of a life time phone geeks!!!
$349.99 will get you a dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. Even if a security flaw is found that allows for the theft of all your data....NO UPDATE FOR YOU. Even if every other manufacturer (except Micromax) has updated their Tegra2 phones.... NO UPDATE FOR YOU. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will throw in a car dock for FREE! So what do you say!
"So how stupid do you think I am?"
For $599.99 will get you can get yet another dual core phone that will NEVER receive any updates of any kind. And if you are stupid enough to buy now, we will even charge you the original price of $59.99 for that cardock!
As of this post the Electrify and Photon are still being sold by Motorola as current phones even though they have abandoned both phones. Nowhere in the item description is it stated that the phones are no longer supported by Motorola.
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I can beat that! Today (Friday) only! Best Buy will give you a DROID RAZR, an Atrix HD or a Photon Q for free! It only requires a 2-year activation!!
LOL! Nice Lokifish, you almost fooled me into getting another POS MotoPho after I have left for another device... =D
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AGiLiT said:
I can beat that! Today (Friday) only! Best Buy will give you a DROID RAZR, an Atrix HD or a Photon Q for free! It only requires a 2-year activation!!
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Your post would have been spot on if BestBuy charged double the original list price and required a four year contract. That's ok. I don't get sarcasm either most of the time.
GPhoenix said:
LOL! Nice Lokifish, you almost fooled me into getting another POS MotoPho after I have left for another device... =D
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That's part of the point I was trying to make. You would have no idea that these phones are pretty much abandoned unless you already knew about all the BS moto pulled. Nobody from moto is even responding to this so I contacted cnet again and pretty much got a "you're kidding, right". Except for the fanboys, and those that don't do their research, I think the industry/comsumers has pretty much written Moto off at this point.
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Your post would have been spot on if BestBuy charged double the original list price and required a four year contract. That's ok. I don't get sarcasm either most of the time.
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In other words; you didn't get mine?
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In other words; you didn't get mine?
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brain is mush from hearing "my phone is brokened" all day so i missed it :silly:
What a steal! Great deal for an antique such as this...