So guys since all revolves around the buck, i think that we should start a e.g kickstarter for htc flyer ICS or jelly bean update, if we get a reasonable found htc could make it for us..
I shall send them a email asking what they think about it and how much would they need, kep you updated
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Xxul said:
So guys since al revolves around the buck, i think that we should start a e.g kickstarter for htc flyer ICS or jelly bean update, if we get a reasonable found htc could make it for us..
I shall send them a email asking what they thing about it and how much wouldbthey need, kep you updated
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Seems like a neat idea. Hope you are able to work it out.
Problem would be that they would never say that it's about cost, because they have already said that it is about performance, at least through unofficial channels.....
Best of luck!
I think something in the range of $10 million US would be a good starting point for HTC. Considering they paid $300 million for a glorified equalizer (Beats).
What are we doing exactly? I'm confused
I think the proposal is to pay HTC to support their own device !
I don't think it will work.
It will be funny to see what they say though - cos' they should be ashamed....
Top marks to the OP for taking the game back to HTC ...
Lol I don't think all 250 of us will be able to raise enough money
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Yea...um...Nexus 7 anyone?
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I'll be getting one eventually but in the meantime think its time to just make the most out of what we have with the flyer. Senseless, the best honeycomb rom, and LISBON, the only AOSP ICS Rom we have. Could be worse, we could have Views lol.
Anyway for the time being lets all just give up on Jelly bean and focus on what we have. I've complained more than anyone, but I'm over that, I'm all about helping where ever I can to make sure the flyer experience doesn't suck. And besides, the whole portrait oriented nature of Jelly bean makes me kind of want to pass on it anyway.
I gotta thank Wadegeek for calling me out for being such a crybaby. Honestly the flyer is only as bad as you make it out to be. And updates are over-rated, a perfectly fast working honeycomb is as good as any ics or jellybean rom...well minus support for chrome that is lol.
and its just beyond time to give up on htc. The writing is on the wall, HTC is done making them, done supporting them, and betting their future on the one series. Any future updates will have to come from ourselves.
And seeing how little signatures we got on the petition shows why htc gave up on it. The flyer was a flop. Like the Apple Newton, Nintendo Virtual Boy, Sega Saturn, HD Radio its a flop. but difference is its open source android so we can do something about it.
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Cor-master said:
I'll be getting one eventually but in the meantime think its time to just make the most out of what we have with the flyer. Senseless, the best honeycomb rom, and LISBON, the only AOSP ICS Rom we have. Could be worse, we could have Views lol.
Anyway for the time being lets all just give up on Jelly bean and focus on what we have. I've complained more than anyone, but I'm over that, I'm all about helping where ever I can to make sure the flyer experience doesn't suck. And besides, the whole portrait oriented nature of Jelly bean makes me kind of want to pass on it anyway.
I gotta thank Wadegeek for calling me out for being such a crybaby. Honestly the flyer is only as bad as you make it out to be. And updates are over-rated, a perfectly fast working honeycomb is as good as any ics or jellybean rom...well minus support for chrome that is lol.
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Agree，all we need is a good enough rom that we can use everyday without turning into rage.
Senseless and lisbon is getting close to that. Forget HTC, they already get ride of the flyer.....I doubt whether the flyer team exist now.
Ok people time to grow up a bit. I don't get this endless rage against HTC for "ignoring" the Flyer, I really don't. You guys act like you got burned when HTC didn't update the Flyer to ICS, but last I checked they never promised they would. Nobody ever said "Oh yeah buy a Flyer/View, it'll get ICS." If somebody had told you that I'd get the anger, but I seriously doubt they did. So enough with the *****ing, and saying "HTC should be ashamed" crap, it's pointless and worthless. This is yet another thread that has gotten de-railed with it, so unless you guys have something to add to the kickstart effort take it to your own thread or PM or something.
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Ok people time to grow up a bit. I don't get this endless rage against HTC for "ignoring" the Flyer, I really don't. You guys act like you got burned when HTC didn't update the Flyer to ICS, but last I checked they never promised they would. Nobody ever said "Oh yeah buy a Flyer/View, it'll get ICS." If somebody had told you that I'd get the anger, but I seriously doubt they did. So enough with the *****ing, and saying "HTC should be ashamed" crap, it's pointless and worthless. This is yet another thread that has gotten de-railed with it, so unless you guys have something to add to the kickstart effort take it to your own thread or PM or something.
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"MOMMY WOW, I'M A BIG KID NOW"
on a side note please throw your money at my kickstart, I'm making an ICS Rom for the Nokia 8250.
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mectavo said:
Agree，all we need is a good enough rom that we can use everyday without turning into rage.
Senseless and lisbon is getting close to that. Forget HTC, they already get ride of the flyer.....I doubt whether the flyer team exist now.
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So should we.maby find a badass dev here at xda, pay him a few bills and let him make us a 100% working rom?
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SinisterModz said:
"MOMMY WOW, I'M A BIG KID NOW"
on a side note please throw your money at my kickstart, I'm making an ICS Rom for the Nokia 8250.
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Huh? Trying to make a point or something? I don't get it...
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So should we.maby find a badass dev here at xda, pay him a few bills and let him make us a 100% working rom?
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A lot of these guys have been there and done that, look in one of the DrewGaren threads. What's wrong with being a little patient and letting Chaosz-X do his thing? I mean if anyone around here deserves donations it's him.
I love android for allot of reasons. Roms and tweaking was and is a big one. I had a captivate which I loved but I sold it when my company decided to buy me an iPhone and pay my cell bill. I hate iOS and missed android so when best buy reduced the cost on the flyer I jumped on it. The flyer has been a disappointment flashing wise to me (no fault to the developers here, work much appreciated). On the other hand my flyer has paid for itself multiple times over and is used daily for streaming and it's mhl connection.
What I have learned is that I like htc build quality but that their support sucks and that IMO sense is a way too large, bloated, laggy android skin that makes development more of an issue.
Do I regret buying my flyer, no. Would I buy another htc device, unlikely. Do I expect that I will see versions of ics/jelly bean that work for my use, no. I am ok with that now, but the device fell short of my flashing addiction
sense sucks on the flyer because it's not the full sense you get from a phone, it's a special "sense 1.1 for tablets",and honeycomb is laggy naturally, it's pretty much a throw away os google came up with for a better tablet layout and combine sense with that and it's even worse. But honestly I love sense 3.6 on my vivid, theme support, and multiple homescreen layouts make sense great.
I like my flyer honestly. Getting caught up in the update thing can easily make you hate it but we got some good developers here that are working hard to improve it.
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What I have learned is that I like htc build quality but that their support sucks and that IMO sense is a way too large, bloated, laggy android skin that makes development more of an issue.
Do I regret buying my flyer, no. Would I buy another htc device, unlikely. Do I expect that I will see versions of ics/jelly bean that work for my use, no. I am ok with that now, but the device fell short of my flashing addiction
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+1.
HTC flyer awesome potential - the device IS capable of running ICS. HTC "added value" of HTC sense etc seems to have done a dis-service in terms of future upgrades.
It is ironic that more IOS users can run Chrome than Android. Why ? Cos you need ICS or greater and the HTCs of the world just won't support their products for even 18 - 24 months after release.
18 months is a long time in the tech world, and if I had a tablet that flopped like the Flyer I wouldn't be supporting it either. It's not worth their time or money to get ICS out for it, not when it's perfectly functional as is.
The real question is why did HTC even bother making it. It was more expensive than an ipad, had gingerbread instead of honeycomb, and a single core cpu. And they didnt market it bad, they just didnt market it period. But in hindsight really every android tab that came out at that time failed, mostly due to price. Up until this year the only other android tabs I saw other people have were the nook color and cheap Chinese tablets.
I guess I don't hold it against them for abandoning the Flyer anymore. It is what it is, android came to tablets before it was ready for tablets and failure was inevitable. I'd like to see them try again, maybe a one series tablet with sense 4 and an s pen.
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Btw the chrome thing does piss me off. Google needs to make that **** work with gingerbread and honeycomb at least. Google is quick to abandon previous versions of android but you sure don't see them pushing the manufacturers for updates
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SO who's gonna be upgrading to the Amaze 4G ??
I wouldn't mind.. but will wait a little. Still like my MYTOUCH 4G. Just upset with t-mobile service.. highly disappointed.
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In order for me to purchase another device it has to be rooted with s off already accomplished. I love the mt4g way to much right now.
Nah, even if it was rooted. Even though the specs are a little bit better than the Sensation I'd still rather get the Sensation because all of the good devs already jumped to the Sensation.
I'd be surprised if a lot of devs went to the Amaze. Probably going to be a similar situation with the SGS4G when all of the devs were already on the Vibrant, no point in getting the SGS4G.
Good phone though, just wish that's what HTC did with the Sensation. The 1GB of RAM and better camera is nice.
Nope. The specs are all that. I'd need more to make me jump to a new phone.
ill prolly pick it up, but not when it first comes out. i love my phone but id like to have something with a little bigger screen and soft keys
The device just looks so damn good though. I'm thinking about it hard.
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I hope the reported weight is wrong.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4097&idPhone2=3922
Sensation is only 148 g, but Amaze/Ruby is 172.9 g?? Seems unwieldy.
Weight ain't an issue for me. Weight will make it feel even sturdier.
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coupetastic-droid said:
Weight ain't an issue for me. Weight will make it feel even sturdier.
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I guess everyone has their preferences. For me, a heavy phone has additional associated costs in terms of the jeans pockets that will get worn out!
cmstlist said:
I guess everyone has their preferences. For me, a heavy phone has additional associated costs in terms of the jeans pockets that will get worn out!
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Then wear dickies...kidding lol.
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I hope the reported weight is wrong.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4097&idPhone2=3922
Sensation is only 148 g, but Amaze/Ruby is 172.9 g?? Seems unwieldy.
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Could be due to the extra 210mA's in the Amaze's battery?
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Nope. The specs are all that. I'd need more to make me jump to a new phone.
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+1
Specs isn't the only important thing....The G2X had good HW, but had some hw flaws like bleeding among other things.
Personally, this close to the launch of Ice Cream Sandwich, I'd be inclined to wait until HTC's first ICS phone. Or until CM8 has a stable release for a device of choice
I'm gonna wait for the nexus prime.
cray.
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Personally, this close to the launch of Ice Cream Sandwich, I'd be inclined to wait until HTC's first ICS phone. Or until CM8 has a stable release for a device of choice
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i don't think there will be a CM8 as the developer of cyanogenmod has gone to work at Samsung.
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i don't think there will be a CM8 as the developer of cyanogenmod has gone to work at Samsung.
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Steve still works with CM, it's just a separate project now, it may have less work from cyan himself. However you can't forget that CM has a large amount of devs, Cyan has help from others so I doubt they would actually allow CM brand to die off like this.
Well perhaps working at Sammy will give Steve a chance to make sure ICS reaches other their other phones quickly
Considering that CM just announced it would support 10 new Sony Ericsson devices, I take that as a sign that we won't see CM winding down anytime soon.
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Well perhaps working at Sammy will give Steve a chance to make sure ICS reaches other their other phones quickly
Considering that CM just announced it would support 10 new Sony Ericsson devices, I take that as a sign that we won't see CM winding down anytime soon.
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Since Steve works with Sammy now I'm thinking that he could be learning new or different tweaks, Sammy should have some sort of ICS access (Sammy should have it by now) depending on his job position; so maybe he can work on CM8 slightly earlier. Personally I'm not to thrilled about ICS, after seeing that NexusS w/ "ICS"....It looked nothing like I thought, I figured Google would step it up to fend off iOS5/WP7.5(Mango). But it doesn't seem like much of a UI overhaul, but I'm sure the usability/features have been significantly changed.
I've been sitting on an upgrade since last month so I'm going to use in on the Amaze, even though I was planning to use it on the Sensation.
I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Go for the sensation. I have a galaxy s two and the amaze and the dev community is almost non existent. Had a sensation and they got lots of stuff over there.
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Hello, I am new to the forum but do have the HTC Amaze 4G. While HTC does provide the tools for unlocking the bootloader, they do not allow for S-OFF (Security OFF). And it is because of this (for the most part) that developing for the HTC Amaze is limited ATM.
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I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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the amaze is not for u then.
mrmylanman said:
I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Temp - hopefully.
Dev support - we only have one developer that actually has the phone. To top it off he's only 16 and still in high school.
We have the source but not the entire kernel source (thanks to HTC and their technicalities)
Still don't have s-off so we can't flash kernels via recovery thus makes flashing roms that much more difficult.
So if you want a good phone to use as a daily driver and don't care about tweaking and boosting... this is the phone for you!
If you immediately want fully working ICS, Sense 3.5, CM9, AOSP, etc then go with another device.
Do we see this happening in the future? If more developers were to pickup the device then maybe. But not anytime soon.
Bottom line if you want a device that has a HUGE selection of roms that you can do pretty much anything with... this isn't the phone for you. Not yet anyway.
Anyone know if there's any word on whether S-Off is coming? I thought I heard HTC announcing the days of S-On being forced are over.
I'd rather get the better phone. Hope that dev support comes.
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Agreed with Binary.
From what you've posted this doesn't sound like the phone that will suit you. However, in the long-run it could suit you better maybe?
I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
Thanks for the responses. I think I am going to go with the Amaze after all, and deal with Sense. Apparently it'll get ICS at some point regardless, which will be nice. I am pretty good with Linux so I might work on my own development if I get some free time (going back to college to finish up my bachelors degree so I'm not so sure about that part).
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I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
If you stick with the Amaze then try beast, its pretty damn close to AOSP, or at least as close as we can have for now
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
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This is the first phone where I had to use the htc unlocking method and am SHOCKED that is not as open as they made it out to be. Keeping s on? What the hell was the point then? I can see where it would benefit developers, but as far as supporting xda type communities, its an epic fail while giving us false hope in all those press releases how they "heard" the enthusiast community and wanted to be more open.
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i hated always have 150mb of RAM or lower, but your ns4g has 2xxmb less so you are probably used to it.
Yeah I have been less of an enthusiast lately since the dev community sorta dried up on the NS4G the past couple weeks.
Its fine. I have less free time now than I used to anyway
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well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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as borat would say:
high five!!!! i like!!!
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
Felinos11 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
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hahaha
/10char
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
mrmylanman said:
Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
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That would be because he's the only developer that has the phone.
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Are we getting latest and greatest Android OS?
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As explained in many posts, the flyer is expected to get an htc release of ICS... but the view has yet to be mentioned and is currently EOL via sprint, so the chances of an htc release is slim.
Sorry but isn't a view is a flyer?
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mostly, but the flyer has a gsm radio and the view has a cdma radio. flashing one to the other is only good for bricking.
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mostly, but the flyer has a gsm radio and the view has a cdma radio. flashing one to the other is only good for bricking.
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That's not quite the only difference. They have a different chipset too.
As for ICS, eventually, but seeing as how the view only just got HC 3 months ago I wouldn't count on any official (HTC) builds hitting us until the end of the year IMO. If i'm wrong, i'm wrong.
Holding out for Jelly Bean...............
FrakMe said:
As explained in many posts, the flyer is expected to get an htc release of ICS... but the view has yet to be mentioned and is currently EOL via sprint, so the chances of an htc release is slim.
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Expected by whom?
I have heard nothing but rumors. Flyer is not on any list the HTC has published or endorsed.
I wouldn't expect it.
Doubt so. I think HTC have finished announcing their 'waves'
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Samsung Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S not getting ICS due to Touchwiz bloat.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/23/2...and-galaxy-tab
LOL
same excuse as HTC for some of their Sense devices.
I heard a rumour that the HTC support people had leaked ics was coming to the flyer in q1... Not saying it's true but it seems a lot sites liked up on it and spread it.
androidcommunity.com/htc-flyer-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade-tipped-by-customer-service-20120123/
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DigitalMD said:
Samsung Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S not getting ICS due to Touchwiz bloat.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/23/2...and-galaxy-tab
LOL
same excuse as HTC for some of their Sense devices.
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BUT, Flyer has 1GB RAM
Their new HTC One V,only has 512mb RAM, but comes with latest sense 4
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Sunamon said:
I heard a rumour that the HTC support people had leaked ics was coming to the flyer in q1... Not saying it's true but it seems a lot sites liked up on it and spread it.
androidcommunity.com/htc-flyer-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade-tipped-by-customer-service-20120123/
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Old rumor discussed at length about two months ago, never confirmed by anyone at HTC.
http://htc-dev.net/la-tablette-htc-flyer-ne-recevra-pas-la-ics
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HTC-Dev isn't HTC, it's just more rumors on another forum. Official info is here:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC?sk=notes
If they ever announce the view/flyer getting ICS, it'll go there.
blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics
no flyer, thanks HTC!
marran0 said:
blog.htc.com/2012/03/ics
no flyer, thanks HTC!
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There you have it.
so the only thing to do :
belive in xda-dev
Wow just reading the blog, so many people are asking about flyer and HTC decided not to include in the ICS roll out.... Fully capable and able device like View/Flyer should be getting it first, I bet they cant integrate the scribe in to it or its taking them a very long time to do it and this is why they are not putting it forward.... This really is a sad day for us HTC flyer/view users
I have faith in God, everyone else must pay up front. LOL
I ve contacted HTC support and confirmed thats there is no scheduled update since now. I think that means we will never see any update for Flyer. HC turned out very buggy I cant even make skype calls, music sounds strage in high volume, flash player plays only via explorer and nowhere else eg fb, and many others. I ve just downgrade to GB and my Flyer is usable again with no bugs till now. ps I ve asked support how to downgrade and they anwered that I just cant. My opinion is that there will be no update even for bugs HTC just dont care for HTC Flyer anymore they consider it as a dropped project.
So. What now?
There is few - non-complete - ICS roms for the htc flyer, but nothing good enough for daily use.
We didn't even get android 4 before android 5 was out... :crying:
Drew Garen is apparently working on ICS. Maybe he should be asked to try to work on Jellybean instead?
What do you think? Will it be harder to get Jellybean? Will it ever be done?
I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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j510 said:
I think you should just give it up. What makes you think we ll get 4.1,if like you said we don't even have a good ics Rom. If you realy want buy a nexus 7. It's 199 so the price is very reasonable
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I was kind of hoping DG would actually do something...
However, I have been positively surprised with other developers before. Honestly I don't want another tablet either.
Gumby63 said:
I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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Yes, I suppose all hope is lost with DG. A shame he was given money to do it, when he couldn't. Anyways, I hope we get either...
MrS600L said:
This is getting silly. Really! I think it is best to just cut the loses & buy something new. I think the turn around for new OS'a is shortening. I mean ICS isn't even a year old. I've learnt my lesson.
My next contract will only be 12 months. & I will dump the limping HTC brand for something else. That way I won't be disappointed.
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I personally want to use my device as long as the hardware is okay. (I still have my HTC hero, haha.) I think the lesson here is to buy a device that has loads of rom developers.
Anyways, thanks for all the replies!
Man everyone is obsessing over jelly bean...why? It's a minor update.. its a miracle chaos got ics running on this device, asking for jelly bean is a new monster. Id rather the focus be on getting ics perfect for the tablet than start over on a new monster. And idk about jelly beans New tablet mode, Id prefer the tablet ui that was introduced with honeycomb.
Thing is google cranks out new android versions quickly. People won't keep this tab forever, including developers. So the best possible experience that takes full advantage of the flyers hardware needs to be the goal not desperately trying to scrape together parts to get another version of android on the tab. Really I'm fine with honeycomb aside from the lag, and ioiwillio is working on that and so far so good
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I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
It sounds great to get a Nexus 7 maybe 16g at least. I don't know if they have sdcard slot, that would awesome. The HTC EVO View still has great potential as a school tool. I take it everywhere take notes, make beats, do homework, watch movies, listen to music, text everyone and email. I hardly carry my phone to school or laptop. I think its still very functional, even the Gingerbread works fine on this device. I can even code. It's definitively not a 12 core that I treasure so much as to not carry it outside my home in sunny Southern California.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
Big Bro indeed. As much as I like Google, their goal of collecting all information is frightening. Information is power - someone with too much power is a tyrant.
I would rather use telepathy but I'm stuck in a Dark Age.
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I'm pretty confident that Chaos is going to get his ICS build perfected with everything working, I mean, look how far he has gotten so far. I wouldn't count on DG though. Too many broken promises.
As for Jellybean. The source code isn't even released yet. Just the update for the galaxy nexus and the sdk. Sdk ports will never be as good as source builds so forget about that. When the source is released for JB I don't think it will be too hard to get an AOSP build going seeing as we already have a good ICS build. The leap wasn't as big from ICS to JB as it was from GB to ICS. So in theory, we will probably get JB (I can't speak for the other developers) sometime after the source is released.
So just sit back, be patient and keep track of any news
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AS Gumby said earlier i do not think it is too hard to do, i am not even sure it requires Kernel changes in order to get it working, i believe that it can share the same kernel as AOSP ICS, however don't quote me on this. I will have a look at this with whoever decides to develop
@Gumby you up for this ? ?
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lawguy said:
I think I'd rather get ICS running properly too.
Jelly Bean does not have a landscape home screen, which is weird.
The emphasis on voice and search is getting too much for me too. I feel like Jelly Bean was designed to collect information about you. It is getting too big brotherish.
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This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Cor-master said:
Yeah actually the 10 inch layout for jellybean is classic honeycomb style and they've already found out on the nexus tablet its just a matter of rooting and changing the dpi
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Do you have a link for that??
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not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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not an exact link but I have the thread where it's discussed. They cracked open the sdk and found out that info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736841
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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cool. with a jelly bean rom I might just keep the flyer and pass on the nexus all together!
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ioiwillioi said:
This could be fixed i believe, (Not by me) as i don't really know much about the APK's at all. But i beleive it is possible, the same code from an ICS lockscreen apk would work and also i believe a lot of the ICS APK's would work as this is not a major API level only a slight step up, however i could be incorrect.
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Yes. It seems like I am wrong about it anyway. There IS a landscape mode in the UI.
I am thinking about ordering one. It is a shame because the Flyer has better hardware in some respects (rear camera, SD slot, MHL support). But, Nexus 7 hardware is good enough and, most importantly, it has Google supporting it so we will surely get timely software updates for a while at least. Also, I am sure that there will be a ton of Dev activity becasue this is a Google product and will probably be at least moderately successful.
Hope the community of flyer grow stronger and stronger. Anyway it is not old enough to die, with all this, All the flyer will have a longer life:fingers-crossed:
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According to what I have been reading an ICS kernel will work with a jellybean rom so I might start working on that soon
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We need a ICS kernel first, and I was pretty sure the framework changes were rather intensive.
From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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From what I can gather, the changes between HC and ICS and hell compared to the minor update from ICS to JB. If we can get a working ICS build for the Flyer, JB will seem like a piece of cake.
Back to the UI discussion, I'm actually a fan of the layout on the Nexus 7. It's actually more of a traditional phone layout which would work much better on the Flyer if the soft keys were disabled and we could go back to the hardware keys. It would free up the bottom of the screen and give us more usable space.
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I'm kinda thinking that too. Ideally what I think would be perfect for the flyer is a launcher with a honeycomb layout that auto rotates to both portrait and landscape and has no dock and the apps and search bar up top just like honeycomb. Then you have the notification bar up top, virtual keys disabled, and hardware keys enabled and bam perfect flyer layout!
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http://www.htc.com/www/help/android41faq/ Looks like we're hopefully getting JB after all
then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
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You reading the same thing I am, or are you projecting?
Not necessarily.... we meet the spec requirements, but they said that devices from 2011 would be met with consideration. Not exactly a guarantee. Plus, if we got sense 3.6 in the last update because our phone "couldn't handle" sense 4, why would they then update us to sense 4+? Okay, I'm ending my pessimistic post of the day now.
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It would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath
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I hope that we do get JB, but considering the Thunderbolt is still waiting for ICS, I can't say that I am too optimistic.
But HTC phones will sometimes get two upgrades. The incredible did.
It's really up to Verizon to let it through, I would think. So it's more of a maybe, but I'm not so optimistic that it will happen. Hopefully the Rezound will get JB, though. I'd love me some stock Sense 4 for a change.
Not to be a pessimist, but I feel that there is pretty much 0 chance we'll get an official jb update. There weren't enough rezounds sold for HTC to care, and vzw makes it even harder on them. They aren't going to go through the effort. All the focus is on s4 devices . I'm crossing my fingers that any msm8660 device gets a JB update from HTC so we can pull from it.
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Why would HTC spend the money, time, and resources to create a JB ROM that runs Sense 3.6? They never promised more than ICS for the Rez as a selling point, so they owe us nothing.
They wouldn't give us a Sense 4 update because they have already stated in print that the Rezound doesn't have the hardware to run it. But that's only half true.
Of course, many of us are running some variation of Sense 4 now on our Rezounds. So while it is technically possible, some concessions had to be made. The Rezound can't do continuous camera shooting very well. Also, still image capture while shooting video is not possible. These features were a huge part of what made Sense 4 so great to HTC (conjecture on my part, but an educated guess based on the advertising), so their official stance on Sense 4 on the Rezound does make sense.
HTC releasing a 3.6 Jelly Bean Rom seems highly unlikely.
Hey the tb was updated to 3.6 in the leak from what like 2.1? But anyway we've technically already got 2 updates, 3 if you count the global leak...
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BBEgo said:
Why would HTC spend the money, time, and resources to create a JB ROM that runs Sense 3.6? They never promised more than ICS for the Rez as a selling point, so they owe us nothing.
They wouldn't give us a Sense 4 update because they have already stated in print that the Rezound doesn't have the hardware to run it. But that's only half true.
Of course, many of us are running some variation of Sense 4 now on our Rezounds. So while it is technically possible, some concessions had to be made. The Rezound can't do continuous camera shooting very well. Also, still image capture while shooting video is not possible. These features were a huge part of what made Sense 4 so great to HTC (conjecture on my part, but an educated guess based on the advertising), so their official stance on Sense 4 on the Rezound does make sense.
HTC releasing a 3.6 Jelly Bean Rom seems highly unlikely.
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Nobody here mentioned HTC owing us anything, I just posted a statement by HTC.....
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Hey the tb was updated to 3.6 in the leak from what like 2.1? But anyway we've technically already got 2 updates, 3 if you count the global leak...
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He meant 2 android version bumps. The Dinc has had like 1,000 minor updates
I really don't think htc would even consider trying to update the rezound. It would require so much work. lets just hope chad can pull it off!
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Nobody here mentioned HTC owing us anything, I just posted a statement by HTC.....
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Yeah I know. Sorry if I came off as hateful or anything. I guess I was just curious as to how anyone who read that statement would interpret it to mean that they were most likely gonna update the Rez to JB.
I got the opposite impression. Guess it's just a glass half-full/empty thing. :beer:
If they did upgrade us to a JB (not Justin Bieber) then I'd be beyond excited and looking forward to what awesome surprises our glorious devs here would be able to come up with.
killahrey said:
I really don't think htc would even consider trying to update the rezound. It would require so much work. lets just hope chad can pull it off!
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He already has pulled it off, I'm running jb right now. though its not 100% yet, its pretty good as is now.
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jon7701 said:
He already has pulled it off, I'm running jb right now. though its not 100% yet, its pretty good as is now.
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pretty close to it though! awesome stuff... it just seems to be missing something.... i know! butter!
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pretty close to it though! awesome stuff... it just seems to be missing something.... i know! butter!
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Yea, thats pretty much all that is missing but from what i understand i think chad is already close to having ION put in which is supposed to make it alot smoother.
jon7701 said:
Yea, thats pretty much all that is missing but from what i understand i think chad is already close to having ION put in which is supposed to make it alot smoother.
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hey i see in your signature thing that youre underclocked and undervolted. does that -150 make a big difference in battery life?
An update to JB would convince me to buy another HTC device instead of going back to Samsung. I miss the OLED screen.
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