At first: sorry for just using Google Translate... I have not much time to write everything new!
Problem:
After some time, the ongoing CPU / GPU load overclocked the processor down and the maximum stroke is limited to 820MHz. Under Android 2.3 that was detected with the tool Stability Test, which but now with Android 4.0 makes the Xperia S problems and freezes the display after 2min.
clearly evident in the following games / applications:
- Asphalt 7: Heat - after 10 to 15 minutes
- Mass Effect - Infiltrator - after 10 to 15 minutes
- Shadow Gun - after 10 to 15 minutes
- N64 Emulator (FREE) on TV over HDMI HDMI after about 20 or 25 minutes
- Dungeon Hunter 3 (FREE) - on charger during the third mission
- Real Football (FREE) - after 20 or 30 minutes... Keep the half-time Screen on for 15 minutes should bring the effect faster
- Temple Run Brave - thx @ monivan
Should you it with other games or the best tools that can follow the show cpu speed permanently, please post here. the above StabilityTest works definitely NOT currently until an update from the developer Comes
Here a short example Video in german... if you move Forward to 3:20 you will see the effect clearly after 3:30
ATTENTION! Please only Xperia S users participate in the survey, as the results will be forwarded to the developer and not with "I certainly do not" click just because you did not want to test this.
Original German thread (hope that is not against the rules): http://www.pocketpc.ch/sony-xperia-s/169205-prozessordrosselung-wegen-uberhitzung-umfrage.html
I've reported the problem, but no one seem to care. Mine is clocked to 810mhz just every couple of minutes one the devices is overheated. I tried to remove overheat control, but still the problem exist. I hate playing it laggy, but i don't mind a hot phone if it still workibg properly!
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monivan said:
I've reported the problem, but no one seem to care. Mine is clocked to 810mhz just every couple of minutes one the devices is overheated. I tried to remove overheat control, but still the problem exist. I hate playing it laggy, but i don't mind a hot phone if it still workibg properly!
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It is very annoying. I'm playing games like 10 min and the phone works very slow... Any solution?
Hrm I tried many kernels. All with the same result even CM9 & 10. But i can decreased it by not using On demand govenor!
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monivan said:
Hrm I tried many kernels. All with the same result even CM9 & 10. But i can decreased it by not using On demand govenor!
Sent From my Lt26i, Hit thank whenever u like!
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there is a solution from Bin4ry but it is a bit dangerous and we don't know if it has hardware-side-effects over a Long time...
I attached you a file... it is a config where the thermal throttling Trigger values are located at... it just sets the throttle value from 55 degrees to 70 degrees (CPU data sheet says Maximum temp is 80 degrees so it's inside his Limit) and the emergency shutdown from 70 degrees to 75 degrees....
there is also another emergency shutdown value for battery temp at 60 degrees because at more then 70 the battery may explode so: DON'T touch this values!!!
just unzip it and overwrite the existing one in /System/etc/
then reboot...
after that it will not throttle again but if you are charging and playing for a while (after 45 or 60 minutes) the phone get's damned hot!!!
so Bin4ry and I think, that the Xperia S has a massively failed Hardware design with this old CPU and bad heat Management!!!
EDIT: hmm who is the one without any Problems? a Statement what was tested would be nice you are the first one (out of 15 People voted in both Forums together) who has no problems
I'm on stock rom. Yesterday I played Virtua Tennis for 3 hours, and last night played Virtua Tennis with a friend, phone slightly heated, but not over heated also never had any problem !!! but my Arc is over heating
hmm ok but you should try with games listed above... the Problem is, that other games could have limited fps to save Hardware power... that's the reason why i listed These games
Maybe the best solution is to underclock the phone to 1-1,2 Ghz, so that it won't get this hot when playing games... I think a custom kernel is necessary for that but my BL is locked.... Is there anybody who can try this out and report?
lol...
i payed 600 EUROS for a phone with 1,5GHz dualcore CPU! i will NOT underclock it to make it run more stable
the best solution is to proove that the Xperia S has a Hardware issue that can't be fixed and forece sony to bring you an Exchange device with the same Price value like you have paid or you get your money back...
the_black_dragon said:
lol...
i payed 600 EUROS for a phone with 1,5GHz dualcore CPU! i will NOT underclock it to make it run more stable
the best solution is to proove that the Xperia S has a Hardware issue that can't be fixed and forece sony to bring you an Exchange device with the same Price value like you have paid or you get your money back...
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Ler's do it then. Spread the news, gather people, force sony!
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monivan said:
Ler's do it then. Spread the news, gather people, force sony!
Sent From my Lt26i, Hit thank whenever u like!
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Let me add a game! TEMPLE RUN BRAVE! I can't beat my friend from iphone because of this.
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lol... Support says for Exchange or to get my Money back i have to go to the trader....
and the Trader was: Official SONY-Store in Barcelona!!!!! and I'm from Germany!!!
next step: i will call the Sony Mobile Product Manager S. Grosch... good Thing to have Connections
OK he has a holiday today... will call him again on monday but i sent him a mail with Informations and these polls anyway
Is this problem only exist in custom rom/kernels? how about stock by sony 2.3.7 and 4.0.4?
mhyke13ph said:
Is this problem only exist in custom rom/kernels? how about stock by sony 2.3.7 and 4.0.4?
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no this is a HARDWARE Problem... so there are two possibilities... the device clocks down much tooo early and games start to lag (like on stock FW) or it throttles just at higher temps (some custom roms with other throttle values) but then the Xperia becomes extremely hot!
the_black_dragon said:
no this is a HARDWARE Problem... so there are two possibilities... the device clocks down much tooo early and games start to lag (like on stock FW) or it throttles just at higher temps (some custom roms with other throttle values) but then the Xperia becomes extremely hot!
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I see, I'm still using my arc, it does get hot too while playing HD games it reaches upto 39degrees
I was planning to get XS, playing games is my priority, but when i read this thread im having second thoughts now
I got my Xperia SL, i have yet to test this problem
If you want gaming go for a tegra handset like HTC one X I think it's the best deal
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Same here, after playing like 30 min NFSMW my XS is extremendly hot and lag (Lag in game and sometime after close this)
Games with lag:
Gta 3 full settings (30~ 40 min)
NFSMW (30 ~ 40)
N64oid (30-40)
100floor (Jesus IS A 2D game)
Im on full stock .55
I think we need to talk with sony about the minimun speed after overheating from 820 mhz to 1ghz
PS: mods, can you move to xs forum plz?:thumbup:
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Sorry for my broken english,
OK,now I am facing a huge problem..I can't run any game on my x10,
When i run a game, at start it will run normally, after loading or few seconds then it will crash and causing a boot..i tested on every game eg gameloft,fruit ninja,angry bird except sudoku(maybe it didnt give the gpu too much stress),before it boot the notification light will become purple in colour .. I m on wb tw rom v4.04 custom and doom's kernel v04a and oc to 1267mhz ..I think my gpu is spoilt because I used to reinstall the rom and wipe everythingbut no use..
Anyone can help me and I will very appreciate ..thx
iVolcaNoz said:
Sorry for my broken english,
OK,now I am facing a huge problem..I can't run any game on my x10,
When i run a game, at start it will run normally, after loading or few seconds then it will crash and causing a boot..i tested on every game eg gameloft,fruit ninja,angry bird except sudoku(maybe it didnt give the gpu too much stress),before it boot the notification light will become purple in colour .. I m on wb tw rom v4.04 custom and doom's kernel v04a and oc to 1267mhz ..I think my gpu is spoilt because I used to reinstall the rom and wipe everythingbut no use..
Anyone can help me and I will very appreciate ..thx
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You might want to start there...
It is not adviced to overclock for prolonged period of time.
Set the max frequency back to 998 and see what happens.
My_Immortal said:
You might want to start there...
It is not adviced to overclock for prolonged period of time.
Set the max frequency back to 998 and see what happens.
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Ok, but before I used to oc to 1227 for a long period but nth happen
iVolcaNoz said:
Ok, but before I used to oc to 1227 for a long period but nth happen
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That's why they say "don't use for long" and not, for example, "don't use for 3 days"!
There will be a point when your chipset will no longer be able to handle it,
and that point is unique to every phone/user, so better lower or eliminate the overclock altogether.
Dun clock to max,just a slight clock would be good like 10360,or just set to normal clock first
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That's why they say "don't use for long" and not, for example, "don't use for 3 days"!
There will be a point when your chipset will no longer be able to handle it,
and that point is unique to every phone/user, so better lower or eliminate the overclock altogether.
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Fruit ninja works..that means I can only oc when it is needed example gaming and need to back to 998 or below after done?
iVolcaNoz said:
Fruit ninja works..that means I can only oc when it is needed example gaming and need to back to 998 or below after done?
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If I were you, I wouldn't overclock at all, because reboots are an indication
that your chipset cannot tolerate higher frequencies and chipset death
can have you run to a service center for a new motherboard...
These older chipsets can't overclock like newer ones either, the tolerances are a lot lower.
You're going to fry your chip dude!
I wouldn't recommend going over 1167 personally...
Even that not for more than a short period.. Unless you don't mind risking your phone dying.
SE phones tend to run hot anyway, you are really straining it for sure.
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If I were you, I wouldn't overclock at all, because reboots are an indication
that your chipset cannot tolerate higher frequencies and chipset death
can have you run to a service center for a new motherboard...
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Ok..I will follow ur advice and thx u r really immortal xD
scoobysnacks said:
These older chipsets can't overclock like newer ones either, the tolerances are a lot lower.
You're going to fry your chip dude!
I wouldn't recommend going over 1167 personally...
Even that not for more than a short period.. Unless you don't mind risking your phone dying.
SE phones tend to run hot anyway, you are really straining it for sure.
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I m shocked when I heard tat..I dun have tat kind of knowledge .and thx for telling me those thing and I will take your advice ..thx
let me know cause i have the same prob after update
Does your phone reboot also when using the Camera continously?? mine does
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Does your phone reboot also when using the Camera continously?? mine does
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Are you setting the focus to infinity?
The cam seems to be having problems with this
scoobysnacks said:
These older chipsets can't overclock like newer ones either, the tolerances are a lot lower.
You're going to fry your chip dude!
I wouldn't recommend going over 1167 personally...
Even that not for more than a short period.. Unless you don't mind risking your phone dying.
SE phones tend to run hot anyway, you are really straining it for sure.
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Does X10i have a temp sensor in SoC ? I thought only sensor was in Battery! So it's not SoC thats getting hot (sure, that one also...) it's the Battery. Maybe SE choose the cheaper option, which get's hotter.
Haldi4803 said:
Does X10i have a temp sensor in SoC ? I thought only sensor was in Battery! So it's not SoC thats getting hot (sure, that one also...) it's the Battery. Maybe SE choose the cheaper option, which get's hotter.
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I have a battery temperature widget on my homescreens
(from Minimalistic Text app)
and sometimes I notice temperatures as high as 45 Celcius,
but then again, this time of year the weather is at 35-40 Celcius in my country.
The highest I've seen is 54 while I was charging, connected to 3G and
having a half-hour phone call.
Battery does get hot easily, but I am not sure what's the deal with
the motherboard because I haven't had any random reboots for the past few months.
Haldi4803 said:
Does X10i have a temp sensor in SoC ? I thought only sensor was in Battery! So it's not SoC thats getting hot (sure, that one also...) it's the Battery. Maybe SE choose the cheaper option, which get's hotter.
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It isn't only the battery hence the burning smell if you remove the battery and smell that area, and all the motherboard problems...
The phone itself runs pretty hot, much hotter than any other I've owned.
htc one x+ stock 4.1.1 - 1.16.401.6
rooted
after all my lags ... tryd as u recommended to use cpu set and put my device on maximum cpu to try gaming...
the game play better in 20% but still have some lags (dead trigger)
and my cpu cant push to 1700mhz...
i did min 1700 and max 1700 on max proff... and cpu clock stick to 1600mhz...
maby i got failuer on cpu??
i did notice before that my battry draind very fast....
and battry and camera area get overheat very fast in games... !!overheat!!!! means that u almost cant move ur hands on the tuch cuz its make them stikky
and if i go to stteings>developer options >show cpu usege... i can see only 3 cores working and not 4.. as i shueld see...
(battrey save is off)
why im allwas stuck with the failur products ]=
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lol. You have me a nice little laugh.
DON'T put your phone at min 1700MHz. You will basically fry out the phone.
Also, why would you be going passed 1700MHz? The phone has a 1.7GHz processor. 1.7GHz = 1700MHz.
IF you want to go passed 1700MHz, you have to wait for a custom kernel that supports overclocking. Until then, you will not go passed the factory speed of 1700MHz.
MAKE SURE TO SET THE MIN BACK TO IT WAS!!! anything over 434 is practically useless. It'll just drain your battery, overheat the phone and fry your phone out, especially when min and max is at 1700MHz!
Oh yeah. If you use SetCPU, you have to choose "Set on Boot". But make sure you give it the right settings or your phone will bootloop.
the point is that i dont try to pass the 1700... but i cant reach him..... cant pass the 1600.... im not try to oc it...
its gets overheat with or without the cpuset ... and was like this from the moment i did unbox the phone...same as for the lags... (eaven in homescreen)
the battrey drain out eaven on low usege games... games that i did play on my iphone 3gs for 4-5 houers in and still had 30% left now drain my battry in 2-3 houers...
so much issues with stock normal phone somthing maby worng here dont u think?
and i bet for the hadware ... and not the software
for gaming first try the geming boost app (use search and you'll find it) this should fix most of your problems.
and further: don't set your CPU at constant maximum, this will eat your battery for breakfast.
keep the min/max values stock and if you still have lags in gaming you could try other governors with this app. but as i said... first try the gaming boost app, that really should do the trick
So you are saying your phone wont run at 1600mhz. How are you testing this? please explain in detail what software you are using and what test etc. I agree with the gaming booster app for gaming issue but it seems you are having greater issues. a 1700mhz phone should run at 1600mhz. We'll help you figure it out just need a little more info.
So you are saying your phone wont run at 1600mhz. How are you testing this? please explain in detail what software you are using and what test etc. I agree with the gaming booster app for gaming issue but it seems you are having greater issues. a 1700mhz phone should run at 1600mhz. We'll help you figure it out just need a little more info.
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tested using cpuset... if i try to push it to 1700 he dosnt pass the 1600mhz just capped there....
100mhz diffrent is huge!!! not beacuse of the numbers... just beacuse its pointed about heavy issue... with electric or volt's failur or maby eaven failur cpu product
cpusets gets me 15% better gaming but still lag and somthims shatter
with game boost
almost the same ... a little bit smoother... but still dead trigger lag alot... and after 10min of gameplay its getting hot and the fps hard drop almost to slowmotion ...
shadowgun working good ...
gta 3 1.3 tegra moded work so bad and laggy still
dead trigger still lags
beach buggy blitz lags too (alot after 10min of gameplay)
The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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sportsstar89 said:
The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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There you go lol. Answers that question.. thanks
sportsstar89 said:
The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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great !
now find out what make's my phone lag like my grendpa and drain battrey as my girlfrind to my brain
smartboy
Probably some apps your using I would try to ruu back to stock and see if it still happens
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ShadowSide said:
great !
now find out what make's my phone lag like my grendpa and drain battrey as my girlfrind to my brain
smartboy
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Are you twelve and using a broken blackberry to type your messages? I hope you fry your phone and learn to use proper language next to me you spout off at the mouth. I'm sure your grandfather and "girlfriend" are very proud of your last statement.
Learn your hardware first and don't compare any tegra device to an iPhone 3Gs ever again. My brain almost exploded with the lack of undestandingn of the hardware on your part.
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I noticed,that the count off active cores is most of the time only or max two cores.even in gaming or benchmarking...
Could this be the problem for the bad gaming performance since jb update?on playing vice city i recogniced that the framerate raises a lot when all four cores are active.this happens some time for a few seconds,then it returns back to one or two active cores and the game starts lagging....
Any solution so far?or is there anybody still on ics to test if it is the same activitie there?
I used cpu stats to tes cause it shows cores activities in statusbar.
No one?doesnt really anybody give a s**t bout this tablet???
Know how you feel, I have a htc desire phone which is running for 3years and still has (few) active developers.. Here's like nobody home.. Probably because bootloader is still locked.. I don't have time atm but I really want to try to root my xperia tablet.. We'll see what the future holds..
For the cores.. Probably bad tuning by Sony devs, this is likely how they managed battery to last longer, ok but not for gaming..
They upgraded to kernel 3 which is a good thing, but they kinda f***** it up..
Know you're not alone and don't forget anything is possible..!!
Greetz
OssiB said:
No one?doesnt really anybody give a s**t bout this tablet???
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Seems you aren't to active yourself..
I kinda feel the same too. I have a Nexus One which is pretty old but with 4.2.2 on and a lot of roms to choose.
With this tablet I feel abandoned. It is a shame because it's a great tablet, nice design, good materials.
If only they let us unlock the bootloader...
Fix core count on Xperia tablet S after JB update.
OssiB said:
I noticed,that the count off active cores is most of the time only or max two cores.even in gaming or benchmarking...
Could this be the problem for the bad gaming performance since jb update?on playing vice city i recogniced that the framerate raises a lot when all four cores are active.this happens some time for a few seconds,then it returns back to one or two active cores and the game starts lagging....
Any solution so far?or is there anybody still on ics to test if it is the same activitie there?
I used cpu stats to tes cause it shows cores activities in statusbar.
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Hi, since i finally can post here, Yes, the Xperia tablet S with the Tegra3 will only run on 2 cores.
I know how to fix this,
First off, factory reset (backup blabla) Why? Because when you update to jb and dont factory reset after the upgrade, it will be very laggy and buggy, dunno why, it try it. - could also just skip this if you dont want to back up and etc
Second, install an app calld tegra overclock.
Third, after that, open the app, go to core count, enable all cores, enable on boot, done, should run way way smoother and faster.
And last, thanks button if this worked
Note: App isnt free. but uhm, google :angel:
Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.
Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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sixcarnage said:
Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
marck1991 said:
Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.
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Those settings seem to be working.... Great find
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marck1991 said:
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
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if you dont have "force GPU rendering" enabled this isnt the case for 2D
marck1991 said:
I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
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What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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I only made the settings i described and my battery consumption seems to be good when i want to save battery, i tick the HTC stock energy save mode to max the CPU to 1,3 ghz.
I think that the CPU settings are saved, you will notice it when you try 1,5ghz as max for example.
Only the values in the choose-box doesn't show the actual settings...
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Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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deeznuts said:
What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.
Kingshoo said:
You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.
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You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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deeznuts said:
You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.
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Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.
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This is good for now, thank you for this. Trying interactive and seems to be working just fine and battery seems to he ok as well.
Rooting now a days or at least this device is amazingly simple as the devs here have made it for us. Literally point and click a few times and ur rooted, lol! Very easy.
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Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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how to display the fps?
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how to display the fps?
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Sry, this was only my feeling and not any displayed fps...
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how to display the fps?
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I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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deeznuts said:
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Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice
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First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice
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Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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The frequencies stick only if you put both the min and max at the same frequency as specified in the legend
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The frequency when set at 1.7ghz max and min will still fluctuate between 500mhz and 1.7ghz according to the needs of the phone
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deeznuts said:
Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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Understood. Many people who purchased a phone/tab having Tegra 3 wished to play games.
First we would like to make it very clear that the frequency save problem is not a bug of our app but for some reasons the settings never stick. And it do not require you to have min and max the same! You will lose the battery very quickly..
Second thing is that FPS section is for limiting FPS in everything. For example if you are getting 46 FPS in benchmark then if you limit FPS to 40 then you will get max 40! But reverse is not true as you wished. FPS (Frames Per Second) is dependent on harware capability + Software complexity. A powerful hardware + least complex software produces higher FPS and reverse produces lower FPS.
At the time Tegra 3 was really powerful as no other company had a quad core device + a good GPU. The problem is competing phones were running at 960*540 resolution and Tegra has to run games on 1280*720 Resolution! The math is if you increase the overall pixels the you inturn increase the load too. But all tegra devices comes with this 1280*720 or higher resolution and there it has to work harder and hence the battery is lesser than other competing companies! The other bad thing with Tegra 3 was 40nm Fab technology (won't bore you with this stuff but the less this number is the better) and it was a quad core+ it was using an older architecture while the competitors launched their products later on with better architecture and 28nm Fab and hence thats the end of the Tegra Story
Battery can be preserved friend if you choose the frequencies and brightness of device smartly. lets say when you are pleased with 40% brightness then why go 100% and if you can run games smoothly at 1Ghz then why 1.7Ghz?
yokozuna82 said:
The frequencies stick only if you put both the min and max at the same frequency as specified in the legend
*For example see pic*
The frequency when set at 1.7ghz max and min will still fluctuate between 500mhz and 1.7ghz according to the needs of the phone
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Just apply max and tegra cap at 1.7 if that is your wish and minimum frequency to 51(lowest) the system may show it 500 or so but at times it will get set too.
What the title said. Does anyone not have the issue where screen is draining the battery even when its off? Also I read a lot of people complaining about 4-6h SOT time, so much that I'm beginning to think that's a feature not a bug. But the idle screen usage thing is weird. If you don't have that issue could you post a screenshot of your screen usage? Everyone is showing at least 70% and that I assume is too high. On my current phone its nowhere near that much with max brightness and actually on. I currently own an LG Optimus L7II (P710) and it's near the end of its life span, so its time for a new phone. Yes RN2 screen is bigger but its not that bigger to cause such a huge drain.
I'm preparing to buy this phone (Prime version) and I've only found it in one shop in my country (where on their site says 2.0ghz 32gb internal memory version, but afaik if its 32gb its prime and should be 2.2ghz, so error I guess, I'll call them to confirm), so I'm trying to gather as much info about it and whats gonna be an issue with the phone. I'll be happy if it gets through the day with about 3h actual light gaming or chatting in viber. I occasionally only play PokemonGO when I go out for a walk or cycle for 2-3h, and some card games at home, nothing too heavy. Not that I'm able on my current phone anyway. lol
Also a side question if I may, whats the deal with the kernel? The source is needed to fix issues like the battery drain and make truly custom roms, right? Are they ever going to release the source code? I'm guessing the answer is maybe, we don't know yet. Just thought maybe someone has an insight to share about previous Xiaomi phones and kernels.
Xiaomi RN2 is the only phone out of 3 that have the things I want(Min => 2gb RAM, quad-core, 3000mAh removable battery, gyroscope, gps, sd-card slot, and under 250 euros), and the only one in my country barely available. So I'm freaking out a bit over this battery drain issue.
EDIT: Crap, the only shop I found it at, at reasonable price doesn't have it. Only Note 3s, and I don't want note 3 cause of built-in battery. Guess I'm stuck ordering online and paying 30% custom fee... So instead of 150$ it'll be 200$ and no warranty.
Anyone?
@ChrisBunny You wrote it little complicated Do you want to see this? My battery was not fully charged.
Ekran- Screen
mario_R said:
@ChrisBunny You wrote it little complicated Do you want to see this? My battery was not fully charged.
Ekran- Screen
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Thanks for the info. It looks like your screen is not using as much as people reporting it uses 60-70% of battery, if I'm reading it correctly, while yours is using only 16%. I'm gonna call the phone shop in a bit (waiting for them to have their morning coffee lol) and see if they still have the phone. Then I just hope mine doesn't drain too.
@ChrisBunny I forgot to say about Core clock. Your shop has wrong information about CPU frequency. Prime version has 2.2GHz (exactly 2.1x GHz) and non-prime version has clock 2GHz (exactly 1.95GHz)
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@ChrisBunny I forgot to say about Core clock. Your shop has wrong information about CPU frequency. Prime version has 2.2GHz (exactly 2.1x GHz) and non-prime version has clock 2GHz (exactly 1.95GHz)
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Yeah that's what I figured. I found a couple ads for the phone, so I might still get it, it just won't have any warranty.
So your Xiaomi RN 2 screen uses only about 15% of the battery? That's really good if I understood correctly. How long does your battery last when you leave it alone and when you use it a lot?
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I'm fully charged now, later will post screenshot when i will get 5 or 10% on battery.
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I'm fully charged now, later will post screenshot when i will get 5 or 10% on battery.
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Thanks.
Are you happy with the phone? And do you by any chance play Pokemon GO with it? I'm curious how the game works on it and how long.
ChrisBunny said:
Thanks.
Are you happy with the phone? And do you by any chance play Pokemon GO with it? I'm curious how the game works on it and how long.
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I'm happy with the phone. Speciffication for that cheap price is great. It has everything what i needed except Qualcomm processor (with Mediatek it's hard with sources so the phone can't get custom kernels, you know) Games works good. I have played pokemon for a short time- no problem with playing but nothing speciall for me so I uninstalled it.
GTA San Andreas - no fps drop
Shadow warrior - no fps drop
League of stickman - no fps drop
Gangstar Vegas - no fps drop
Dungeon hunter 5 - on some maps fps dropped but i think it's weak optimalization
Sim city - no fps drop
The sims free play - no fps drop
Thats the most (i think) advanced games i have played on my device. Don't remember more xD
mario_R said:
I'm happy with the phone. Speciffication for that cheap price is great. It has everything what i needed except Qualcomm processor (with Mediatek it's hard with sources so the phone can't get custom kernels, you know) Games works good. I have played pokemon for a short time- no problem with playing but nothing speciall for me so I uninstalled it.
GTA San Andreas - no fps drop
Shadow warrior - no fps drop
League of stickman - no fps drop
Gangstar Vegas - no fps drop
Dungeon hunter 5 - on some maps fps dropped but i think it's weak optimalization
Sim city - no fps drop
The sims free play - no fps drop
Thats the most (i think) advanced games i have played on my device. Don't remember more xD
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Thanks I appreciate the info!
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Yesterday I couldn't beat battery xD Here is my score.
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Yesterday I couldn't beat battery xD Here is my score.
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Nice! Well that looks normal and good. What rom are you using?
I'm still waiting for the sellers to reply to me, I wanna order the phone already. >.<
Here's a screenie ...
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Here's a screenie ...
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Cool, 12h on idle if I'm reading it correctly, and only half the battery depleted.
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Cool, 12h on idle if I'm reading it correctly, and only half the battery depleted.
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No, 12% battery loss in 12 hours - mostly idle time, but with some slight use (email, text, etc). Wireless and Bluetooth left on (the battery was on about 63% when the phone was switched on).
BTW: I am running a "Skinnified" MIUI 7.5.10 ROM.
DarthJabba9 said:
No, 12% battery loss in 12 hours - mostly idle time, but with some slight use (email, text, etc). Wireless and Bluetooth left on (the battery was on about 63% when the phone was switched on).
BTW: I am running a "Skinnified" MIUI 7.5.10 ROM.
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Ah that's even better! Whats your guess whats the reason a lot of people experience those crazy screen battery drains? I hope the reason is just some fluke with the rom, and not with hardware.
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Ah that's even better! Whats your guess whats the reason a lot of people experience those crazy screen battery drains? I hope the reason is just some fluke with the rom, and not with hardware.
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I think it would most likely be a software (ie, ROM) issue (ie, something is behaving badly in the background). Many of us spend a lot of energy trying to get better battery performance from the phone - but it is all really about how the software is configured. Without the sources to the kernel code, the best that can be done is tweaking bits here and there. This is what makes the Skinny ROM guidelines from @jajk very useful (to remove Xiaomi bloat and battery hogs). This requires some effort, patience, and nerves; but it can be quite rewarding. For me, I have been far more concerned with idle time than with "screen on" time, because my phone spends most of its time doing nothing.
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Nice! Well that looks normal and good. What rom are you using?
I'm still waiting for the sellers to reply to me, I wanna order the phone already. >.<
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MokeeOS compiled by vova.vafin. For me, his roms are better than for example Bulee. Device not overheat and have some power tweaks.
Okay, I gave you screenshots and now I can flash my lovely ResurrectionRemix
Thanks guys. After all I decided to get Redmi Note 3 Pro (the one with Snapdragon and 3gb RAM not Mediatek), there's plenty people and shops selling it. Now I'm just waiting on reply from the seller and he should send tuesday and it should arrive wednesday. Yeah it doesn't have removable battery, but from what I researched its an awesome phone and battery isn't an issue.
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Thanks guys. After all I decided to get Redmi Note 3 Pro (the one with Snapdragon and 3gb RAM not Mediatek)
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That's a great choice (the Snapdragon SOC).
Xiaomi+MTK=mega problems with custom ROM development