Hey everyone, I'm new here so be gentle. As the title suggests, I am wondering what the physical limitations are that are keeping all the TW features (like air view and gestures) from being implemented in AOSP based roms? I love the "pure" android feel but I also love these features. Thanks for any answers you guys can give.
Tw features require tw framework to work and same thing around with aosp features (halo) to tw, I'm pretty sure someone can even try implementing it but chances are closer to almost impossible as it requires a lot of heavy coding.
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Addiso said:
Tw features require tw framework to work and same thing around with aosp features (halo) to tw, I'm pretty sure someone can even try implementing it but chances are closer to almost impossible as it requires a lot of heavy coding.
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So it is technically possible? I understand that it would take a lot of work. I now wonder if any developer would be willing to have a go at it
Many devs wouldn't want to give a go at it it's just too time consuming just to get something ported over, it's technically possible, yes, but just not worth the time.
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TheValhallan said:
So it is technically possible? I understand that it would take a lot of work. I now wonder if any developer would be willing to have a go at it
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actually, some devs are working on the google edition roms. which is probably exactly what you're looking for.
The only thing is getting the apks to what you want and getting the developers to work on it and get all the bugs out first
theidoctor said:
actually, some devs are working on the google edition roms. which is probably exactly what you're looking for.
The only thing is getting the apks to what you want and getting the developers to work on it and get all the bugs out first
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Yeah closest you can ever get with tw things ported are the ge roms since I heard they have tw elements in it.
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theidoctor said:
actually, some devs are working on the google edition roms. which is probably exactly what you're looking for.
The only thing is getting the apks to what you want and getting the developers to work on it and get all the bugs out first
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Oh the google edition roms have the TW features? I didnt know that :laugh:
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Oh the google edition roms have the TW features? I didnt know that :laugh:
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Not necessarily, it just has some tw framework in there that's seems to be just put there.
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Not necessarily, it just has some tw framework in there that's seems to be just put there.
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Oh. So that would lead the way to developers integrating TW features?
In a way, possibly. Heard beans tried removing and adding things but the rom became unbootable.
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The GE software will pretty much allow you to run TW apps, but as far as features like smart scroll and air view it will likely never happen.
mbh87 said:
The GE software will pretty much allow you to run TW apps, but as far as features like smart scroll and air view it will likely never happen.
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Hmmm. That sucks Thanks for the answers everyone!
The biggest thing is the closed sourced drivers, libs, and jar files on top of the built in framewroks. AOSP stands for open source so you can see where to conflict would be.
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Is there a way to use Samsungs multi window app on an AOSP ROM?
yes.
but it would involve you creating the app.
probably couldnt call it multiwindow...call it dualview.
No, and won't happen unfortunately.
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There is an app called cornerstone multitasking which works simular to multi Window. But it's a tablet app and is only available as a feature that would have to be baked into a rom. Idk if anyone has started using this mod or if it even works for jb. But it appears to have been designed only for 7 and 10 inch tablets. It would look crammed for four or note 2.
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iflip said:
There is an app called cornerstone multitasking which works simular to multi Window. But it's a tablet app and is only available as a feature that would have to be baked into a rom. Idk if anyone has started using this mod or if it even works for jb. But it appears to have been designed only for 7 and 10 inch tablets. It would look crammed for four or note 2.
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Cornerstone has pretty much been abandoned because of bugs. I really wish more would have been done with it so the bugs could've been worked out and I could get rid of touchwiz.
I'm sure other devs will come up with their own variants. And just a matter of time when Android will implement it. Maybe in Android 5 or 6.
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Cornerstone has pretty much been abandoned because of bugs. I really wish more would have been done with it so the bugs could've been worked out and I could get rid of touchwiz.
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It was abandoned because Google told CM that they couldn't implement it into CM.
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It was abandoned because Google told CM that they couldn't implement it into CM.
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Well that's a shame. I'm glad I didn't really use Multi-window enough to find a specific niche for it to matter, since I've moved on to AOSP. There was only a few things holding me back on TouchWiz, and that was one of them. But honestly, there's very few times where it actually is worth using.
It'd still be nice to be an option though. Wonder what the conflict is.
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It was abandoned because Google told CM that they couldn't implement it into CM.
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I never heard that, never even seen a version of CM with it in it (not saying there wasn't one) all the other roms I did see and use that had cornerstone weren't supported very long because of the bugs (the reason the devs gave for not continuing to release with cornerstone)
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I never heard that, never even seen a version of CM with it in it (not saying there wasn't one) all the other roms I did see and use that had cornerstone weren't supported very long because of the bugs (the reason the devs gave for not continuing to release with cornerstone)
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Steve Kondik posted cornerstone pics for CM 10.1 it was going to be implemented but CM was threatened by Google saying they would be banned from the Android Market. If you want to read the full thing it's in the comments of that post. https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/ViCME1bb8F6
Cornerstone for Jelly Bean was just released as open source. I would love to see it baked into Paranoid. Would make a great experience.
txyaloo said:
Cornerstone for Jelly Bean was just released as open source. I would love to see it baked into Paranoid. Would make a great experience.
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Where did you see that?
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Where did you see that?
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https://github.com/Onskreen/cornerstone/wiki/Getting-Started:Developers
Is there a pure AOSP rom out there or nearly pure made to work with the DNA?
Short answer: Nope
Long answer: You are more than welcome to look through the Development thread. There are only a dozen or so Roms so it shouldn't take you too long
Longer answer: CM10.1 is in the works but I'm not sure its at daily driver status yet.
Sorry for the sarcasm...
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Short answer: Nope
Long answer: You are more than welcome to look through the Development thread. There are only a dozen or so Roms so it shouldn't take you too long
Longer answer: CM10.1 is in the works but I'm not sure its at daily driver status yet.
Sorry for the sarcasm...
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Lol your longer answer wasshorter than the long answer
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Cm 10.1 is working except for camera iirc.
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Cm 10.1 is working except for camera iirc.
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Yep. It's almost there. As soon as the camera is working I would consider it dd status
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I've been using CM 10.1 for my dd for a little over a week and have had no issues other than the lack of camera and an easily removed issue with GPS.
I'm no developer, but from my experience with the LG Spectrum, once CM has all of the hardware functioning, then AOSP and AOKP are not terribly difficult. In the case of the spectrum, a fully functional pacman ROM was released a few months after CM was completed.
Question of my own. What exactly needs to be done to gain official support for CM? I would love to be able to flash nightlies like on my nexus 7.
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Cm is not pure aosp.
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I've been using CM 10.1 for my dd for a little over a week and have had no issues other than the lack of camera and an easily removed issue with GPS.
I'm no developer, but from my experience with the LG Spectrum, once CM has all of the hardware functioning, then AOSP and AOKP are not terribly difficult. In the case of the spectrum, a fully functional pacman ROM was released a few months after CM was completed.
Question of my own. What exactly needs to be done to gain official support for CM? I would love to be able to flash nightlies like on my nexus 7.
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I've been using it as dd off and on. It's good enough for me to use it a few days a week for now. I really hope development picks up after cm10 is ready. I feel like not enough developers have this phone for there to be a lot of support. Idk if devs actually need the phone to make ROMs for it though.
Regardless, Chad, cr, fly, and the other devs working on cm have done a spectacular job. If we have a cm ROM, aokp, and pa I will be ecstatic.
Is there any point in having a 100% pure aosp ROM?
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Cm is not pure aosp.
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I'm aware. But it is close, so once CM is achieved, it wouldn't be too hard to get AOSP. Or at least that is how it was explained to me.
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I'm aware. But it is close, so once CM is achieved, it wouldn't be too hard to get AOSP. Or at least that is how it was explained to me.
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Why? Cm is aosp with fixes and more options. It's literally better.
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Why? Cm is aosp with fixes and more options. It's literally better.
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I agree, but some people prefer just plain AOSP. My girlfriend is that way.
Wish that would port paradroid...would be nasty on this phone..
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I agree, but some people prefer just plain AOSP. My girlfriend is that way.
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But it IS AOSP. Even so, how can someone prefer less options? Not even that, how can someone prefer a worse experience?
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But it IS AOSP. Even so, how can someone prefer less options? Not even that, how can someone prefer a worse experience?
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Because everyone is different...
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But it IS AOSP. Even so, how can someone prefer less options? Not even that, how can someone prefer a worse experience?
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i don't want all the crap themeing and "mods" that come with CM, I just want pure android, if I want to add something ill do it myself.
I've contemplated back and forth for some time whether I want to build AOSP for the DNA. The camera really has been a PITA for another device I've been working on; It shouldn't be as camera works on CM10.1. However, it would suck to put all that work into it for the camera to be the hold up (although, I don't think it will be as difficult since its 8mp and the one I have somewhat working is 13mp).
The main issue is that if I build AOSP (well technically I have already built it), I would prefer to stick to google's base code as much as possible without bringing in CAF/CM code to achieve goals. Doing this, makes things a bit more difficult.
I suppose it's also a bit of whether it is worth the effort and if people really want it as well.
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I've contemplated back and forth for some time whether I want to build AOSP for the DNA. The camera really has been a PITA for another device I've been working on; It shouldn't be as camera works on CM10.1. However, it would suck to put all that work into it for the camera to be the hold up (although, I don't think it will be as difficult since its 8mp and the one I have somewhat working is 13mp).
The main issue is that if I build AOSP (well technically I have already built it), I would prefer to stick to google's base code as much as possible without bringing in CAF/CM code to achieve goals. Doing this, makes things a bit more difficult.
I suppose it's also a bit of whether it is worth the effort and if people really want it as well.
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Iam sure people will want goodies from you, drew.
Just put your stuff in front of public and see how people gobble them up :fingers-crossed:
I see your Schwartz is as big as mine!
CM, AOSP ... it's all gravy.. they'll get it.. all of it.. in time.. They have made enormous stride with CM 10.1 it's almost unbelievable what they've accomplished.. DD for me.. because from here on out, it's all fixes and tweaks.. I wouldn't mind a pure Vanilla AOSP rom, but these things take time.. We'll get there.. Not just yet.. but I'm sure things are cooking now that many of the issues have been fixed..
What are the requirements to port it to our phone? And if we meet those whom would we ask to get it ported? I would do it but my knowledge only goes as far as unlocking, rooting, and flashing roms. Sorry if this has been answered already.
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To have an 'official' rom, I would assume someone in their team would need to own a DNA.
But once cm 10.1 gets a little bit farther in development people will start building/porting all sorts of stick based roms, including pa
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What are the requirements to port it to our phone? And if we meet those whom would we ask to get it ported? I would do it but my knowledge only goes as far as unlocking, rooting, and flashing roms. Sorry if this has been answered already.
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I believe we need the IRL for any stock based roms. Its why we are stuck on sense roms for the moment.
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I believe we need the IRL for any stock based roms. Its why we are stuck on sense roms for the moment.
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You do realize there's a cm 10.1 rom that's almost fully functional now. Only things not working are camera and like 1 or 2 things with bluetooth.
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You do realize there's a cm 10.1 rom that's almost fully functional now. Only things not working are camera and like 1 or 2 things with bluetooth.
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oh i dunno. thats just what i'v heard.
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I believe we need the IRL for any stock based roms. Its why we are stuck on sense roms for the moment.
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What's an IRL?
Do you mean RIL?
Because that's the Radio Interface Layer. And if that's what you are referring to then it's been pretty much cracked. You should probably take a look into the Original Development forum.
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What's an IRL?
Do you mean RIL?
Because that's the Radio Interface Layer. And if that's what you are referring to then it's been pretty much cracked. You should probably take a look into the Original Development forum.
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yea RIL is what i meant XD thanks, i'll take a look!
ril is already working and that same ril is also working on miui v5 there's 2 developers working on it .. have no idea when they are going to release it
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ril is already working and that same ril is also working on miui v5 there's 2 developers working on it .. have no idea when they are going to release it
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Ugh... Just stop
Also I thought you were switching phones?
Upstreammiami said:
ril is already working and that same ril is also working on miui v5 there's 2 developers working on it .. have no idea when they are going to release it
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They're holding back on it just as they're holding back on the 2.xx unlock method
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They're holding back on it just as they're holding back on the 2.xx unlock method
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The bottom line - as long as there is no daily driver rom for CM10.1 there wont be any rom that based on it, AKA PA, Liquidsmooth etc
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The bottom line - as long as there is no daily driver rom for CM10.1 there wont be any rom that based on it, AKA PA, Liquidsmooth etc
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he was making a joke lol
I'm actually looking forward to efforts to build straight AOSP for the DNA, since Paranoid Android on Nexus devices actually moved from a CM base to a straight AOSP base. Also, one of my favorite Galaxy Nexus ROMs, BAMF Paradigm, is based on straight AOSP (though I prefer the extensive feature set of AOKP on my Nexus 7 tablet).
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Ugh... Just stop
Also I thought you were switching phones?
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Get off my nuts dude Jesus Christ
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Upstreammiami said:
Get off my nuts dude Jesus Christ
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He needs developer support to do that, unfortunately there's none here.
Anyway, I thought you're getting a Note2?
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He needs developer support to do that, unfortunately there's none here.
Anyway, I thought you're getting a Note2?
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I'm still waiting for a trade
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I'm still waiting for a trade
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Have you considered our partner site swappa.com/? You can use your XDA account to login there. I haven't done anything on it but I have heard good things so far.
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He needs developer support to do that, unfortunately there's none here.
Anyway, I thought you're getting a Note2?
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Hahaha, +5000
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I'm actually looking forward to efforts to build straight AOSP for the DNA, since Paranoid Android on Nexus devices actually moved from a CM base to a straight AOSP base. Also, one of my favorite Galaxy Nexus ROMs, BAMF Paradigm, is based on straight AOSP (though I prefer the extensive feature set of AOKP on my Nexus 7 tablet).
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I didn't know they were aosp based now. I would love pa on this phone. I always end up coming back to it on my n7. For some reason I can't use aokp based ROMs because the keyboard always crashes but aokp would be badass on our phone too.
Perhaps someone could port some of the aosp/cm based ROMs from the one over to the DNA.
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i got pac/parnaoid android booting still some issues. lots of stuff to fix
Hi, I'm using my Fassy as a temporary replacement as I sell my Note 2 for a downgrade on Swappa. You might be asking why in the hell I'm selling my Note 2. Trust me, I don't want to sell it, but I have to for extra cash.
Anyways, I'm looking through the Development thread and all I see are AOSP roms. My question is, where are all the TouchWiz roms?! I like to rock stockish TouchWiz roms on Sammy phones. So I'm assuming developers are no longer producing TouchWiz roms for this device. In that case, can you, XDA, provide me a link to the most-recent Fassy TouchWiz rom with a modified TouchWiz kernel?
A Thanks will be given to people that help out. Thank you! :good:
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Hi, I'm using my Fassy as a temporary replacement as I sell my Note 2 for a downgrade on Swappa. You might be asking why in the hell I'm selling my Note 2. Trust me, I don't want to sell it, but I have to for extra cash.
Anyways, I'm looking through the Development thread and all I see are AOSP roms. My question is, where are all the TouchWiz roms?! I like to rock stockish TouchWiz roms on Sammy phones. So I'm assuming developers are no longer producing TouchWiz roms for this device. In that case, can you, XDA, provide me a link to the most-recent Fassy TouchWiz rom with a modified TouchWiz kernel?
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That because all touchwiz for our phones is available in is 2.3 a d who in hell is gonna run that when we have 4.2.2 lol good luck finding a touchwiz ROM all links are dead as no one uses gingerbread anymore
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That because all touchwiz for our phones is available in is 2.3 a d who in hell is gonna run that when we have 4.2.2 lol good luck finding a touchwiz ROM all links are dead as no one uses gingerbread anymore
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Ha you're right. I didn't take that into account. I know Samsung won't be able to upgrade this to TouchWiz 4.1+ lol
Thanks to you, sir.
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Ha you're right. I didn't take that into account. I know Samsung won't be able to upgrade this to TouchWiz 4.1+ lol
Thanks to you, sir.
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I honestly don't know why they didn't flash a 4.2 ROMs sir you well see that our devices is mighty still standing and fast haha. Our devices is plenty fast enough Samsung's just a ass
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I honestly don't know why they didn't flash a 4.2 ROMs sir you well see that our devices is mighty still standing and fast haha. Our devices is plenty fast enough Samsung's just a ass
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Yeah, this device is still being worked on which is amazing. And that would be awesome to see Samsung build 4.2 TouchWiz UX builds for this phone but we all know they are looking ahead haha
So for the first few months I've had this thing I turned off almost all touchwiz bells and whistles. Bad memories from previously owned samsung devices.
Anywho I've recently been doing a lot of Youtubing and am finding multiwindow very very helpful (I'm mainly interested in the audio). Anyone else found a us for it?
How about the other stuff like air *?
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Anyone else found a us for it?
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I'm not sure if you'd consider this a "use" but multi-window is/was a major factor in my decision to run CM on my S4!
Cool. CM supports multiwin?
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I have been using multi Window for a long time s3 rooms had it to. I use my phone often at work for real work. Reading prints and calculator at the same time, sending emails and reviewing a doc to make sure I am correct.
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Cool. CM supports multiwin?
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Nope that's only for TW no way of easily porting that over and since cm is for many different devices... Let's just say it would be a massive nuclear pain in the ass to even attempt to port it over... Not to mention it would almost certainly be illegal because of patents and probably have to dirty hack with samsung manufacturer code signatures.
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No, I find multiwin to be annoying, I run CM to NOT have any TouchWiz stuff, most of which I don't need or want.
CM does everything I want and/or need so I don't miss any of the TouchWiz annoyances.... err, I mean, features.