So looks like it will be out soon...but not to soon. Hope we get some nice ROMs when it launches. Love that 4.3 has trim support. Wounder what 4.4 will bring us.
Hershey and Nestlé ads in the app drawer.
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Hershey and Nestlé ads in the app drawer.
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Great more bloatware, wonderful. I can see it now, Hershey inspired games like candy crush flooding the market.
It should come in chocolate brown.
The deal between KitKat and Google wasn't really based on advertisment. They used KitKat as the name for 4.4 because not many people actually eat Key Lime Pie. KitKats are more relatable.
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The deal between KitKat and Google wasn't really based on advertisment. They used KitKat as the name for 4.4 because not many people actually eat Key Lime Pie. KitKats are more relatable.
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I don't eat froyo, gingerbread or doughnuts, doesn't mean advertising for another company is a good way to relate to me or users. Key lime pie was a perfectly acceptable name, everyone has heard of it at some point, even if they haven't tried it, like me. Its advertising, plain and simple, I don't care what Google says, by using a company / product name they're advertising them, period.
I don't eat kitkats, either. Twix and snickers are more my thing
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I don't eat froyo, gingerbread or doughnuts, doesn't mean advertising for another company is a good way to relate to me or users. Key lime pie was a perfectly acceptable name, everyone has heard of it at some point, even if they haven't tried it, like me. Its advertising, plain and simple, I don't care what Google says, by using a company / product name they're advertising them, period.
I don't eat kitkats, either. Twix and snickers are more my thing
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Google, a billion dollar company would use KitKats to gain what? What do they gain from this? More money that isn't necessary?
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Google, a billion dollar company would use KitKats to gain what? What do they gain from this? More money that isn't necessary?
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Well, money is money, why would they turn it down? But no, you got it backwards, they're advertising kit kats, we're not talking kit kats with Google on them. You yourself even said it was recognition, more so then key lime pie would afford. That's ....advertising. Unintentionally done or not, Google is advertising for a product.
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Yesterday i read an article saying that Google did this so the new Android version would be more recognizable among phones instead of being referred to as TW, Sense, or Blur. That's kind of a warped connection but it makes more marketing sense than the official reason Google gave; not many people know what key lime pie tastes like. I've never had a froyo or honeycomb although I've had honey. Google also said they made the decision within a couple hours but i would think it would take days of negotiation between such huge companies as Google and Nestle.
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Well, money is money, why would they turn it down? But no, you got it backwards, they're advertising kit kats, we're not talking kit kats with Google on them. You yourself even said it was recognition, more so then key lime pie would afford. That's ....advertising. Unintentionally done or not, Google is advertising for a product.
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Lies
http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandfeatures/google-nestle-announce-android-kitkat
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http://www.nestle.com/media/newsandfeatures/google-nestle-announce-android-kitkat
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Eh whatever I'm done explaining what was supposed to just be my point of view, not a debate about Google and Nestle circle jerking and how I'm wrong about it.
I like pie
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Eh whatever I'm done explaining what was supposed to just be my point of view, not a debate about Google and Nestle circle jerking and how I'm wrong about it.
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No! I'm sorry if that came off wrong! I just found it funny that there actually are going to be android kit kat bars. I didn't mean to offend!
Here's an article i just ran into referring to Android being "forgotten" by Samsung
http://m.androidauthority.com/dont-forget-to-mention-android-263744/
I'm still confused as to how the name of the OS will make the OS more recognizable.
Article mentioning the name change is for the OS' brand awareness
http://phandroid.com/2013/09/03/the-inside-scoop-on-google-and-nestles-android-4-4-kitkat-deal/
I don't wanna advertise, but I actually wrote an article on my website about 4.4. Included is a video that has since been taken down (but not on my website) of people using a nexus 5. Check it out in my Signature.
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I don't wanna advertise, but I actually wrote an article on my website about 4.4. Included is a video that has since been taken down (but not on my website) of people using a nexus 5. Check it out in my Signature.
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I wonder if 4.4 will include aftermarket features such as halo, pie, or ribbons since they're popular additions in the modding community.
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I wonder if 4.4 will include aftermarket features such as halo, pie, or ribbons since they're popular additions in the modding community.
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I hope so. Right now, it's just sappy commercials and rumors. 4.2 had aesthetic features, 4.1 was project butter, 4.3 seemed under the hood with nothing crazy. I expect big things out of 4.4 and hope it's not two doh's in a row.
Something I am expecting for in 4.4 or 5.0 is full-color emoji support. Freetype, which Android uses to encode text, now supports color bitmap icons in text (emojis) with freetype 2.5 so we might see it. I know most of the people here couldn't care less about emojis, but in complete honesty, the mock emojis in 4.1+ are just horrible. There is also a surprisingly large number of people who stick with the iPhone soully because of the lack of full color emojis.
To those of you who don't know what I'm taking about, these are emojis: ???☺??????????✌???❤????✈??????⚠??♨?????❇©®™?✔???☀?❄??????????????????✏??✒????✂???????????????????
On iOS devices, these show up in color with much higher quality icons.
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I wonder if 4.4 will include aftermarket features such as halo, pie, or ribbons since they're popular additions in the modding community.
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I've been wondering the same thing. Halo especially seems like a very Google-like thing to implement.
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Something I am expecting for in 4.4 or 5.0 is full-color emoji support. Freetype, which Android uses to encode text, now supports color bitmap icons in text (emojis) with freetype 2.5 so we might see it. I know most of the people here couldn't care less about emojis, but in complete honesty, the mock emojis in 4.1+ are just horrible. There is also a surprisingly large number of people who stick with the iPhone soully because of the lack of full color emojis.
To those of you who don't know what I'm taking about, these are emojis: ???☺??????????✌???❤????✈??????⚠??♨?????❇©®™?✔???☀?❄??????????????????✏??✒????✂???????????????????
On iOS devices, these show up in color with much higher quality icons.
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You're right, I couldn't care less. And I seriously doubt those people would stay on iOS because of emojis. They weren't leaving anyway. However, I'm not leaving Android if they do implement them.
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I read this this morning and found it interesting.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ag_occurs_more_often_in_android_than_ios.html
Makes sense why no matter how powerful our phones get they will still lag
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
triton302 said:
The website is Apple Insider... that article lost all credibility to me.
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+1 not a credible source
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+1 not a credible source
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The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
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The article is largely quoting or paraphrasing a Google+ post from a student who did some research into the Android code.
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
BTW, for the TL;DR crowd, here's the money quote:
"...on iOS all UI rendering occurs in a dedicated UI thread with real-time priority. On the other hand, Android follows the traditional PC model of rendering occurring on the main thread with normal priority."
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The point he makes where you can test it yourself is brilliant.
Despite the source of the article, it did seem like a pretty good read to me and offered some decent insight as to why my Rezound, despite being essentially a flagship device, still can't match the feel of iOS. Not that I care too much, I've become accustomed to it, and it would only be frosting on the cake if they could make it so Android had that 1-to-1 feel that was mentioned.
Androids UI threads do not run at high priority like iOS and windows phone. You can read about this almost anywhere. Touching the screen on an iphone immediately halts all processing and only the display get's access to do work, so the experience is -always- fluid, at the cost of stopping all 'actual' work being done.
ICS will be better with multi-core support, but will still attempt to do work in parallel with screen updates.
But honestly, I never see any of this 'stuttering', or at least, It doesn't bother me very much if it is happening because I don't notice it.
Apple has always focused on the visuals of their products more than the actual functionality. Doesn't make it better or worse, just different. If ultra smooth transitions between things are a critical point for you, then you want an Apple device. If you prefer to focus on functionality then you probably want an android device. Just because a UI doesn't flow 100% smooth doesn't ruin the experience for me. For others it might. Google is not blind to the issue, they will eventually work it out, but for now we have what we have.
I really appreciate you posting this article as it easily explains the one big problem I've had with Android. Don't get me wrong though I have and always will continue to have an Android phone. Customization trumps fluidity. Google will correct the issue eventually as mentioned above.
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Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
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Serinety said:
Knowing this makes me feel better about my phones and not quite so concerned with it. It actually makes perfect sense and maybe in a way makes our phones more capable.
I wonder if they will re write android to fix this and act more like ios. Maybe for android 5 lol. Doesn't Microsoft totally re write their is at some points. I'm pretty sure win7 has no win95 code in it at all.
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You just compared apples to oranges. Windows 8 will be MS first cross platform attempt. Which would be like comparing Chrome to Android.
Sadly even ICS doesn't solve this issue at all. Seems the route they're taking are huge hardware bumps in hopes that it will solve the issue. Good hardware cannot cover up faulty coding. I hope Google fixes it soon.
faulty coding? it's faulty because it runs differently from iOS? please, dude. it doesn't prioritize UI because it can ACTUALLY multitask, unlike iOS. that's the point. if you want a super smooth phone, leave android.
Dude we all love android here.. but if something is screwey then its screwey..no need to go Apple fanboi on us LOL
Are you talking to me? Lol.its not faulty. it's how the phone and operating system were created. If you don't like it, that doesn't mean it's faulty. Seriously?
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I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
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Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
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nev310 said:
I usually don't get any lag but I'll take true multitasking and lag over an horrible excuse for multitasking anyday
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+1 same here
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Really a thread about what an intern at Google thinks? Who has left? An intern.
Facebook for android was written by an intern and they have been trying to fix it ever since.
Man can't wait for root just for the fact that these useless threads will go away
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I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
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Serinety said:
I just saw the article and wanted to share .. fml
Such damn negativity from a simple article. Pretty sure nobody is slamming android. I'm certainly not.
And for the record, students and interns are normally who make **** happen with technology. Who do u think makes up the teams at research universities
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Of course they are. But I wouldn't take a part time employees word as gospel on a company as large as Google.
I certainly haven't had a lag issue. This just smacks of apple fanboy
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HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
zPacKRat said:
Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
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Oatmeal. I don't eat cereal. I eat oatmeal.
Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
jeepers007 said:
Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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yea with the stock sense dialer its was hard to get to my faves, but this one makes it much easier combining the goodness of snese ui dialer with the goodness of AOSP dialer, and ICS theme looks great.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
No I want the 454 big block blower
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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you're assuming that sense is a 8 cylinder engine and aosp is a 4 cylinder engine. In terms of cars you have the choice of getting a regular mustang which looks the same, can get all the same interior features of the car, but with a different engine...this is not possible with phones...analogy is not the same...I'm not saying I hate or like sense, as I've said before there are parts I like and parts I don't like...but trying to create a compelling argument.
If I wanted an AOSP device on T-mobile, my only choice would be a G2X. I'd rather get the better phone and sacrifice things I don't like about sense than get a older crappy phone like the G2X...all I'm saying is that options are very limited when it comes to AOSP. you cannot make the same analogy for cars.
I myself don't like sense, touchwiz, nor the True AOSP. In my personal opinion, there are a lot of things about sense UI that slow the phone down and also drain the battery, the interface however looks great and has many neat features. Touchwiz is a piece of crap but it is lighter so it doesn't bog down the system as much. I was using CM for the longest time and was very happy. I am not a big fan of True AOSP either, I actually like a modified and more customizable yet light, version of AOSP. In my opinion this is why CM has been so successful. I'm sure xboarder's release will be amazing and make a lot of people happy on this forum. everyone has personal preferences and it's is not fair to say they should have gotten a different phone, since there are no other options...believe me after my nexus one, the nexus s pissed me off, cause it was not a big upgrade...and I waited another year for the next nexus, galaxy nexus, which also didn't impress me. I knew I wanted a good camera on my phone, fast, a better screen, and as you know at first I went with samsung galaxy s II, but hated everything about it. I can happily live with my phone with a 3rd party launcher lockscreen and dialer for the next two years...so I'm not complaining at all.
I understand when people come and complain when the AOSP from xboarder is going to be released, it get's frustrating. But I don't regret this is the decision I made based on the availabe phones on the market and I'm not one bit unhappy about it...doesn't mean I wouldn't be happier with a different rom that is more AOSP like, that is why we have XDA right? so we can have options in terms of roms, kernels, and more control of how we like to customize our phones. That is why we unlocked it and possibly voided warranty.
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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looks is a matter of opinion , besides I usually run 3rd party launchers anyways...with 3rd party lockscreens and 3rd party dialers!!! I just don't like a lot of sense stuff bogging down my system...although this is easily taken care of in Titanium backup, i usually freeze stuff...like i said its not a biggie...everyone has their own preference...I'd rather run 3rd party things on a lighter system, Sense has some great features for me and some that I care not about...again personal preference...I get it you guys are big sense fans , I guess what I'm trying to get at atleast for me I wish I was a developer myself and could make a rom to my own liking lol...things I want from sense and things I don't want...and I'm sure its not as easy as i just described it...People come in to the office and ask to put gold crowns on their perfectly healthy teeth!!! do I agree with it? NO, its retarded and as a doctor i know it can jeopardize the integrity, lifespan and durability of the tooth...Do I still do this for them? yes, its their choice, and I explain everything to them and make them sign papers and make detailed notes about the situation...ultimately everyone has personal opinions about everything...It's not fair to shoot down people's opinions, just respect them...some people love tattooing their body and having lots of piercings, would I do that? NO. would I become friends with someone like that, absolutely...eh enough ranting...to each their own I guess...
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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Ford kinda did that with the SVO in the early 80's
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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In the auto enthusiast world we call that a "sleeper". Usually it just means a highly modified car that you didn't MAKE look like it is highly modified. Not everyone wants to look like the fast and the furious.. but I think we are getting off topic a bit now.
I kind of understand why someone would want some AOSP goodness.. I replaced the launcher, the dialer, the contacts menu, and I'm happy. Sense is still there, I'll bet you it is still taking up processor, bogging things down, when I don't really like the majority of it. I am all about trying to create a custom look/feel, and AOSP for me would just mean there isn't a lot of extra bling/extras in the background I don't even use.
If I could modify the number of tiles on the stock launcher, theme it and dialer/contacts, change the dock(more buttons), change the screen animations.. then I wouldn't mind the sense part so much
http://m.engadget.com/2012/06/14/cher-wang-htc-patents/?icid=eng_latest_art
HTC finally decided to play the same game apple is. I dunno but imo, to little to late. Chit shoulda been done a whole hell of a lot of time ago. But, nevertheless, they're doing something in the right direction.
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I have been wondering... coulnd't Google file a suit over the drop down notification bar, which Apple is using and was on Android first....?
Google wouldn't and won't do that. It's like the two world heavy weights goin at it. Plus one suit would only open a door for more. And the drop down notification bar is part of android, which is open source. In all honesty, android being open is a good and bad thing. Without android continuously advancing, then snags will become more frequent do to other oems hogging up patents (crapple). Being open though allows any oem to personalize their own version of the os. Android should go closed, and include a small cost to use, just to be able to use the patent system. F crapple up the tail pipe.
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Jeez, that really made me think. So apple can get a feature that is in vanilla android, copy it and patent it as its own?
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Art2Fly said:
Jeez, that really made me think. So apple can get a feature that is in vanilla android, copy it and patent it as its own?
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Android should go closed, and include a small cost to use, just to be able to use the patent system.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there, the main reason it is so successful (can freely used by any phone maker).
Open source is about having the option to change the product to fit your needs. As a Linux user I value this and I hate how rigid Apple's products are in this regard - they make all the decisions and the user has no say in any of it because, as Apple sees it, the user is too dumb to know what is best for him or her.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there
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Didn't stop Windows Mobile 6.x ROMs, and it is a closed source/proprietary OS.
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Didn't stop Windows Mobile 6.x ROMs, and it is a closed source/proprietary OS.
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To a certain degree it did. Because Windows Mobile is closed source, most of the ROM mods and tools to modify the OS were basically hacks. With open source, we can compile and properly modify source code to fit any platform. You couldn't do that with Windows Mobile.
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Actually, it is under open source, and if Apple is going to use it, they need to be open sourced also, which they aren't.
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Also, with Android being developed by millions of people in forums like XDA and apple only being developed by the "applet minors", I see Android advancing faster than Apple-I hope!
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Also, with Android being developed by millions of people in forums like XDA and apple only being developed by the "applet minors", I see Android advancing faster than Apple-I hope!
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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Like the idea. But patents cost way to much. Last I heard was over $1,100. But that's for sn actual product. Dunno if it differs for software. Or hardware I guess
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The only problem is that there aren't being patents applied to the stuff that is being developed in forums like XDA. That creates a problem because you know as well as I do that Apple has their minions trolling these forums looking for new ideas that they can steal and patent themselves thus making all of the work the devs put into it completely useless.
Personally I say if you come up with something on here that's awesome, patent it. Don't use the patent for evil like apple just patent it and let it be open source. You would be the patent holder so you could let anyone use the product and it will help to stop evil companies like apple from destroying the phone market.
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Where does "prior art" come into play? If Android had it first and it wasn't able to be patented due to open source, Apple could come up with their own version but I would think they wouldn't be able to patent it (or at least not be able to use it against anyone) due to the "prior art" clause.
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I have been wondering... coulnd't Google file a suit over the drop down notification bar, which Apple is using and was on Android first....?
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The patent is still pending. I'm sure Google will go after apple once the patent is awarded.
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No they can't just do that ... Android is protected under open source licencing so they can probably use it but they can't patent
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Correct. Also Android features would also be covered under prior art patent discovery rules.
Edit: sorry I missed the post related to prior art above, is correct. Apple could not patent open source Android based features due to the prior art clause.
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Actually, it is under open source, and if Apple is going to use it, they need to be open sourced also, which they aren't.
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Apple doesn't need the source code to copy an idea.
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I strongly disagree. If Google closed Android the way iOS is closed, WE stand to lose the most. Android's openness is the main reason there are so many ROMs and MODs out there, the main reason it is so successful (can freely used by any phone maker).
Open source is about having the option to change the product to fit your needs. As a Linux user I value this and I hate how rigid Apple's products are in this regard - they make all the decisions and the user has no say in any of it because, as Apple sees it, the user is too dumb to know what is best for him or her.
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Steve Jobs actually said the reason for a one button mouse was so consumers wouldn't be confused as to why there is a second mouse button that doesn't really do anything, that tells you all you need to know about how Apple sees their customers
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Steve Jobs actually said the reason for a one button mouse was so consumers wouldn't be confused as to why there is a second mouse button that doesn't really do anything, that tells you all you need to know about how Apple sees their customers
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He was right. I've known a lot of people that don't ever use the right mouse button and don't know what it does. When you tell them how to do something they get confused between the left and right button and keep hitting the wrong one. I love it, I do almost everything with my mouse but I'm not the average computer user, my mom is. One button is simpler, that's why the iPhone and iPad only have 1 button. I've shown people how to do things on their Android phones and I get "I've never touched that button before" to that I ask "why not?" and the response "I didn't know what it did". My landlord had an Epic 4G for almost a year and one day I was commenting on the fact I wished my EVO had a camera button and she said "what camera button". I have a feeling that's why the iPhone doesn't have a dedicated camera button, it would confuse people.
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He was right. I've known a lot of people that don't ever use the right mouse button and don't know what it does. When you tell them how to do something they get confused between the left and right button and keep hitting the wrong one. I love it, I do almost everything with my mouse but I'm not the average computer user, my mom is. One button is simpler, that's why the iPhone and iPad only have 1 button. I've shown people how to do things on their Android phones and I get "I've never touched that button before" to that I ask "why not?" and the response "I didn't know what it did". My landlord had an Epic 4G for almost a year and one day I was commenting on the fact I wished my EVO had a camera button and she said "what camera button". I have a feeling that's why the iPhone doesn't have a dedicated camera button, it would confuse people.
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While this is true they give you instructions with your devices. The it boils down to two things people being lazy and not reading. And two people being to scared to adventure to new things. There is zero reason for no one to understand the basics of the tech they own. It is their fault. Tech isn't hard on any level.
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While this is true they give you instructions with your devices. The it boils down to two things people being lazy and not reading. And two people being to scared to adventure to new things. There is zero reason for no one to understand the basics of the tech they own. It is their fault. Tech isn't hard on any level.
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While I don't disagree with you, some people are more technologically inclined than others. I do agree that people are lazy. Although I seldom read them, everything comes with a manual. It's not like the early days of command line interfaces, everything is very simple now. Apple caters to the "I don't want to read, I just want to turn it on and use it" crowd.
http://bgr.com/2016/06/02/2016-google-nexus-phones/
This could be good or bad.
It could be bad and me might have something like Samsung or LG and never get updates. (however, i dont think it will come to this as i feel that would take almost everything that makes a nexus a "nexus")
It could be good and the "Nexus" line might turn into something more along the lines of "Google Play Edition" or more like a Moto X style rom.
To me this makes much more sense. We still get the essence of pure android with a few cool tweaks.
If this were to be the case the number 1 thing i hope that comes out of it is that the OEM would provide the camera app instead of the garbage one Google has.
This was such the case with the HTC One M7 Google Play Edition (or was it an M8?)
And with HTC rumored to make the next set of Nexus phones we might just get that. Hopefully they dont use a garbage sensor though like HTC has recently been known to do.
What do you guys think this could mean?
We don't run "stock Android" now. All that article means is that the stock rom on Nexus phones will get more built in features.
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Nexus phones aren't selling well so they need something to give them more selling power. The average consumer sees Samsung phones etc with "amazing" feature so will buy that over a Nexus. The fact Google tried to market the 6P more at the mainstream shows that they're truing to get away from a developer type of phone and more features in the software shows this.Im not entirely happy with this, I'd rather have a pure Android phone and be able to the devs cook something better up rather than have a phone with unnecessary features which ultimately slow it down.
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We don't run "stock Android" now. All that article means is that the stock rom on Nexus phones will get more built in features.
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This.
I welcome new, proprietary features in Google's Android. I trust them not to bog down the OS like other OEM's do. After all, it's their OS.
This is great news and what might bring me back to a Nexus phone in the future. Stock Android is way too boring and feature thin imo. I definitely wouldn't mind features added by Google all while not bogging it down and keeping it lean.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
This is great news and what might bring me back to a Nexus phone in the future. Stock Android is way too boring and feature thin imo. I definitely wouldn't mind features added by Google all while not bogging it down and keeping it lean.
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Uhh how about no. The reason I stick with Nexus phones is for the pure android experience. This just says they don't understand their customer base at all, and are instead focused on the people who buy other phones (let them have their other phones).
Read this. It will help explain. Nexus phones are Google's Android complete with their proprietary apps and services. I happen to love it, but it is what it is.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/06/02/its-time-to-let-the-phrase-stock-android-die-opinion/
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Uhh how about no. The reason I stick with Nexus phones is for the pure android experience. This just says they don't understand their customer base at all, and are instead focused on the people who buy other phones (let them have their other phones).
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I don't see it that way at all. I just see this as the next step in the evolution of android. Naturally more and more features are added. The current form of android is much more feature packed than, say, the version that came on the galaxy nexus and previous. Those earlier versions didn't even have quick settings tiles, even though the galaxy s phones did. Would you prefer to be that way still? I sure as hell couldn't do without QS in the drop down. So, if you prefer having those over not having them, then you need to accept the next step. Besides, quick settings are one of MANY features added since the start. Go back to an unmodified galaxy nexus, I'm sure you would hate it after having what you have now. Face it, features get added as the OS matures.
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I don't see it that way at all. I just see this as the next step in the evolution of android. Naturally more and more features are added. The current form of android is much more feature packed than, say, the version that came on the galaxy nexus and previous. Those earlier versions didn't even have quick settings tiles, even though the galaxy s phones did. Would you prefer to be that way still? I sure as hell couldn't do without QS in the drop down. So, if you prefer having those over not having them, then you need to accept the next step. Besides, quick settings are one of MANY features added since the start. Go back to an unmodified galaxy nexus, I'm sure you would hate it after having what you have now. Face it, features get added as the OS matures.
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Right but those are now base features of stock Marshmallow. What I don't want is Google building their own Touchwiz or something else that only the Nexus phones get. That's hardly what I see as the answer. I hate what Samsung, LG, etc. do to the OS on their phones. But I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Read this. It will help explain. Nexus phones are Google's Android complete with their proprietary apps and services. I happen to love it, but it is what it is.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/06/02/its-time-to-let-the-phrase-stock-android-die-opinion/
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Interesting article, but it seems more like a semantics issue than anything. I guess I fall into the group of "Stock Android" meaning as shipped on the Nexus phone by Google. But specifically in that it felt basically functional versus flashy and bloated like the rest of the manufacturers tend to shoot for. I don't want iOS, I don't want Touchwiz, I don't want any of the other variants. So to me it's like AOSP and Stock Android have blended and become synonymous to me. *shrugs*
I really think you're reading way too much into this. All the article says is that Google will be thoughtfully adding more features. Four years ago the quick settings tiles would have been one of these new features. Two years ago the fingerprint reader would have been one of these new features. This year with Android N multi-screen will be one of these new features. These have all been steps forward for Android, adding functionality and improving the UX. Adding new features doesn't mean they're going to add a skin or some of the bloaty crap that Samsung add, it just means new features.
This thread is just a huge facepalm..
Really if Google wants to slap a custom skin over stock android then who am I to care? Google always designs their devices to be customisable. So say you don't like it then you could flash a custom ROM built off of AOSP and you have what you wanted.
The Nexus line has always been built more for the developer crowd, but I have a feeling they're trying to reach out to your average consumer by adding "Features" while still appealing to the developers with the openness that they've always had.
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These assumptions don't make sense and you are reading too much into it. A custom skin? After all the money they spent and researching and developing Material Design? They won't change anything, they will add new features as times goes one. Android N is already an example of this. The design paradigm will change eventually, it will be an evolution to Material Design, just like Material Design succeeded Holo.
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There's always custom ROMs, as long as the bootloader's still easy to unlock who cares if they add more to stock rom, people will always create custom ROMs. If you don't know how to unlock and install a custom ROM then maybe a nexus just isn't for you.
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These assumptions don't make sense and you are reading too much into it. A custom skin? After all the money they spent and researching and developing Material Design? They won't change anything, they will add new features as times goes one. Android N is already an example of this. The design paradigm will change eventually, it will be an evolution to Material Design, just like Material Design succeeded Holo.
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The next change will be a huge one. Too many people complaining about the way MD looks. Even app developers are starting to refuse to use the MD guidelines. Can't say I blame them when people would rather pirate older versions instead of using the MD versions.
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There's always custom ROMs, as long as the bootloader's still easy to unlock who cares if they add more to stock rom, people will always create custom ROMs. If you don't know how to unlock and install a custom ROM then maybe a nexus just isn't for you.
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I wouldn't count on there always being roms. Google has even began not pushing fixes to aosp. Many developers are seeing this. Google will fix something in the release builds but never updating the code to aosp. So aosp stays broken.
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The next change will be a huge one. Too many people complaining about the way MD looks. Even app developers are starting to refuse to use the MD guidelines. Can't say I blame them when people would rather pirate older versions instead of using the MD versions.
I wouldn't count on there always being roms. Google has even began not pushing fixes to aosp. Many developers are seeing this. Google will fix something in the release builds but never updating the code to aosp. So aosp stays broken.
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Sources? That's doesn't seem right to me. MD apps are increasing day by day. If anything, only a niche of people complain about MD, and not because they don't like it, but because they tend to prefer apps not to change the design they have been used to for ages. Recently even Google said Material Design is being adopted at a really fast rate. It won't change any time soon, that is certain.
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Sources? That's doesn't seem right to me. MD apps are increasing day by day. If anything, only a niche of people complain about MD, and not because they don't like it, but because they tend to prefer apps not to change the design they have been used to for ages. Recently even Google said Material Design is being adopted at a really fast rate. It won't change any time soon, that is certain.
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Go look at the Google groups. The people that don't like it just really don't like it. It's not that they don't want things to change. MD is a running joke that people say should have a fisher price copyright to it lol
Me personally. I don't update any app that updates to the MD guidelines. I have like 15 apps with updates that will never be updated
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Go look at the Google groups. The people that don't like it just really don't like it. It's not that they don't want things to change. MD is a running joke that people say should have a fisher price copyright to it lol
Me personally. I don't update any app that updates to the MD guidelines. I have like 15 apps with updates that will never be updated
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So basically less than probably 1% of the users? Good joke. Luckily you aren't a designer and MD is growing faster than ever.
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So basically less than probably 1% of the users? Good joke. Luckily you aren't a designer and MD is growing faster than ever.
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Well considering the people here are the same percentage that mod their devices that is alot of people. I wouldnt call anyone that uses MD a designer. Not hard to find inspiration from a pre-K kids class lol.
I make my own themes and theme the apps on my phone so I personally dont have to worry about MD at all.
Its nots a surprise that alot of people like it. When their first thought of a phone is getting 5hr SOT (losers lol) and their first device was an iphone. What I and many devs find funny is that people were making fun of apple with the fruity design and yet its ok for google. And people wonder why devs dont take the average person seriously.
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Well considering the people here are the same percentage that mod their devices that is alot of people. I wouldnt call anyone that uses MD a designer. Not hard to find inspiration from a pre-K kids class lol.
I make my own themes and theme the apps on my phone so I personally dont have to worry about MD at all.
Its nots a surprise that alot of people like it. When their first thought of a phone is getting 5hr SOT (losers lol) and their first device was an iphone. What I and many devs find funny is that people were making fun of apple with the fruity design and yet its ok for google. And people wonder why devs dont take the average person seriously.
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Bollocks. Care to show some of these themes you make? lol
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Bollocks. Care to show some of these themes you make? lol
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You can find them around. They are all for personal use and I only share them with a few other devs and users on the site. Just have a look for Zelendel and gotham and you will find some older ones easy enough.
I never share my themes with normal users for reasons.
Feels like Android 12 has still lot of bugs here and there in the Pixel 6 atm.
Yes I do I think it's a placeholder OS untill Google decides to release fuchsia when ever that to might be.
It's as buggy as a rainforest!
Yes, and it's getting annoying how companies (not just Google) are using us as their QA nowadays. Why do we have to be the beta testers? It's annoying
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Yes I do I think it's a placeholder OS untill Google decides to release fuchsia when ever that to might be.
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This. Absolutely
F**k Google, & everything about them these days. They want to be apple & for pixel to be an iPhone in terms of quality, consumer reverence and everything else but are never willing to put in the effort to properly do so, and yet they continue(for whatever super super crazy reason Insanity maybe) think that they are actually achieving said desire but in reality barely scratch 1% of it. That 1% is done very poorly too these days.
Fuscia had better the most amazing os that's ever existed and better be so on day1 if Google ever hopes to maybe win back some affection and respect because everything they do these days just destroys any and all respects and or friendly feelings towards them. Every one of their products and services has gone downhill in terms of quality & everything
Makes me wonder who or what made them get rid of good design for quick settings(android 9 -11) and go for the ugly, tiles that are unnecessarily wide and cover most of the space on screen.
The notifications need not have a huge card like background when you pull down the top bar.
Also, the settings needto two pulls from top bar.
Its a cabal by the screen manufacturers association. Trying to ensure everyone buys phones with bigger screens.
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F**k Google, & everything about them these days. They want to be apple & for pixel to be an iPhone in terms of quality, consumer reverence and everything else but are never willing to put in the effort to properly do so, and yet they continue(for whatever super super crazy reason Insanity maybe) think that they are actually achieving said desire but in reality barely scratch 1% of it. That 1% is done very poorly too these days.
Fuscia had better the most amazing os that's ever existed and better be so on day1 if Google ever hopes to maybe win back some affection and respect because everything they do these days just destroys any and all respects and or friendly feelings towards them. Every one of their products and services has gone downhill in terms of quality & everything
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Try Samsung with there high priced devices and bloated software with rare updates.
You can install any past software version on your Google device or try a custom rom to have it your way.
Yes so far I really dislike it, seems a bit too simple.
vandyman said:
Try Samsung with there high priced devices and bloated software with rare updates.
You can install any past software version on your Google device or try a custom rom to have it your way.
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You don't update especially if you're running on Android 9 or 10 on a Samsung.
Not needed. In actual use security isn't an issue... and neither is usability and functionality.
This N10+ hasn't been updated in 2 years, it's current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast and stable.
The Gmail app often doesn't want to send. WiFi data seems to have very poor latency.
The good thing is Google will have most of the bugs squashed in a month or two. They can't test for every single use case scenario so we have to be beta testers. 12 was a huge overhaul.
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The good thing is Google will have most of the bugs squashed in a month or two. They can't test for every single use case scenario so we have to be beta testers. 12 was a huge overhaul.
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The estimates I see to flatten out all the bugs and integrate scoped storage with 3rd party app developers is more like 2-3 years. Android got worse with 11, and 12 is no charm either. Maybe 14 or 15...
It's a mess... oh, I mean a huge improvement, not.
I'm not buying any of Google's hype.
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The estimates I see to flatten out all the bugs and integrate scoped storage with 3rd party app developers is more like 2-3 years. Android got worse with 11, and 12 is no charm either. Maybe 14 or 15...
It's a mess... oh, I mean a huge improvement, not.
I'm not buying any of Google's hype.
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Wish they'd give us a android 11 ROM to use though in the meantime
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Wish they'd give us a android 11 ROM to use though in the meantime
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Agreed. Google seems to think anything they squeeze out is gold. They missed their calling ignoring waste management.
This is one of the big reasons I just bought a new N10+, to stay running on Pie. However it's running on Q because of its manufacturing date.
Little to no issues with Q but most likely because Samsung heavily modified its UI.
I don't think there are going to be many immediate solutions for 11 or 12 because Google has bitten off more than they and their developers can chew.
More stupid Google fubars to come... who wants betaware?
Bugs all over the place. I don't care what new features you add if you break the existing ones.
I just put in the return request for my p6. Waiting to receive return kit. I'm gonna use my upgrade for something else. I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually might go for iphone 13 pro. It would be my first apple device ever. what do you think?
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I just put in the return request for my p6. Waiting to receive return kit. I'm gonna use my upgrade for something else. I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually might go for iphone 13 pro. It would be my first apple device ever. what do you think?
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Apples have their own issues. You'll lose the flexibility of Android.
That said 2021 has been a complete Android dumpster fire. Get an older flagship running on Pie or Q and be happy.
Security is not an issue unless you do something stupid.