What all changes can be expected with the android l update for our moto e?
Will there be the tap to wake, ambient display,and wil it hear our okgoogle with screen turned off? Etc etc?
-Adarsh- said:
What all changes can be expected with the android l update for our moto e?
Will there be the tap to wake, ambient display,and wil it hear our okgoogle with screen turned off? Etc etc?
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Ambient display will not be there for sure.
Also the Flashlight toggle in notification bar. That option won't be there for us as it would be useless.
hariom310 said:
Also the Flashlight toggle in notification bar. That option won't be there for us as it would be useless.
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Haha.. Everyone knows that as we dont have a led flash..
Do any one have any idea when we are going to get update of android L update?
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Any knowledge when we will get android L update
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shivamg95 said:
Ambient display will not be there for sure.
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I dont think ambient display will be missing !!!! even moto g 2md gen got it.
shivamg95 said:
Ambient display will not be there for sure.
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Please don't get mixed up with moto's active display and Google's ambient display.
Ahish.s said:
Please don't get mixed up with moto's active display and Google's ambient display.
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Exactly...considering L update on moto x ...it has both ambient display and moto ac display... So its quite sure that we are going to have ambient display.
Now the only thing that i fear that how L will perform on our low end moto e , just hope it wont be laggy... Haha
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ChaTy said:
Exactly...considering L update on moto x ...it has both ambient display and moto ac display... So its quite sure that we are going to have ambient display.
Now the only thing that i fear that how L will perform on our low end moto e , just hope it wont be laggy... Haha
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it wont for sure..as they must have made it for their android one phones so i dont think it wont run our tiny monster
-Adarsh- said:
it wont for sure..as they must have made it for their android one phones so i dont think it wont run our tiny monster
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yeah... we can say that, :good: considering android one phones, they have specs quite a bit lower than our MotoE, lets c what experience lollypop brings to us... *excited*
ChaTy said:
Now the only thing that i fear that how L will perform on our low end moto e , just hope it wont be laggy... Haha
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Lag, you must be kiddin' right??? :laugh:
BTW, what happened to your condor??? The last time I heard about it, you posted a thread 'bout messing it up real bad...
g33kparineeti said:
Lag, you must be kiddin' right??? :laugh:
BTW, what happened to your condor??? The last time I heard about it, you posted a thread 'bout messing it up real bad...
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haha.. correct.. LAG+MOTO E = nonsense
its more than perfect for lollipop..and thats the point when unite 2 users etc will shut their mouth off..and it will just look amazing running lollipop
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Lag, you must be kiddin' right??? :laugh:
BTW, what happened to your condor??? The last time I heard about it, you posted a thread 'bout messing it up real bad...
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I had seen a review of L 5.0 of n4, in that review the person said that yes , n4 responces quite quickly as n5 does on its L build, hope low end devices, that are going to get the taste of l also performs the same, atleast unnoticeable lags...
...and even 2gb usable internal storage is worrying me alot, u all know abt ART, even though the sd card permissions are back, i don't actually know how they going to help us...
Yeah.... I messed up with my condor really very bad,
I had to just call up my frnd, and he managed to get me a brand new set of moto E and that too without spending a penny... U know... Besties
And from that dae, i just dont let my motoE being mis handled (u know the feeling of using old sgy after u broke up condor )
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its more than perfect for lollipop..and thats the point when unite 2 users etc will shut their mouth off..
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Hey mate, too much of hate there for Micromax...
Take it easy dude.. :good:
ChaTy said:
I had to just call up my frnd, and he managed to get me a brand new set of moto E and that too without spending a penny... U know... Besties
And from that dae, i just dont let my motoE being mis handled
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OMG, he bought you a new one???
Yup, don't mishandle your condor now but most of all, don't mishandle this gem of a friend you've got.... :angel:
What happened to the old one??? Why didn't ya prefer Android One???
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Hey mate, too much of hate there for Micromax...
Take it easy dude.. :good:
OMG, he bought you a new one???
Yup, don't mishandle your condor now but most of all, don't mishandle this gem of a friend you've got.... :angel:
What happened to the old one??? Why didn't ya prefer Android One???
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He didnt actually bought me a new one, he just managed my cell to get replaced (and he denying me from telling from where actually he did, :crying
and yeah, he is very precious for me ,as he is my frnd since nursery, u just can imagine our frndship of around 17 years !!!! :angel:
ohkk my post is getting much off topic now,
i had bought moto e in june i think so, so android one was out of my mind.:laugh:
and about my old phone, sgy duos, really a hard phone to get wrecked by me, i used to software'ily torture him so much, every day new rom, my roommates always said that u are going to pay for this all, but sgy is still working like charm and now its with my mother ...
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And its amazing to see that a girl taking interest in this stuff, actually , i mean what i say, even my GF and my sister, like the other girls i know, both are dumb in this feild, LOL... (I dared to say this just because i am very much sure they wont visit this site and that to this depth to find out what i said )
great ..keep it up, "Savitri bai phule" will be happy looking at u from d heaven:good:
ChaTy said:
He didnt actually bought me a new one, he just managed my cell to get replaced (and he denying me from telling from where actually he did, :crying
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I'll answer that for you....
Maybe he exchanged it with some unsuspecting guy's phone...
Poor Chap... :laugh:
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And its amazing to see that a girl taking interest in this stuff, actually , i mean what i say, even my GF and my sister, like the other girls i know, both are dumb in this feild, LOL... (I dared to say this just because i am very much sure they wont visit this site and that to this depth to find out what i said )
great ..keep it up, "Savitri bai phule" will be happy looking at u from d heaven:good:
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Why should boys have all the fun???
g33kparineeti said:
I'll answer that for you....
Maybe he exchanged it with some unsuspecting guy's phone...
should boys have all the fun???
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haha..!! you guyz are just so funny man... :fingers-crossed:
BTW what phones you own before?
and do you think that ambient display will be there?its just too awesome like moto ac display..and the reason for my anger fr mmx unite is that i got a neighbor who always boasts his unite infront of me..and me thinking"ek bar mil jae pathar mar k screen fod dunga!! " and he just never hear anything..he is so dumb..and one day his phone hanged while boasting..and my monster was just too smooth as always..(happiest moment of the day!!)
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haha..!! you guyz are just so funny man... :fingers-crossed:
BTW what phones you own before?
and do you think that ambient display will be there?its just too awesome like moto ac display..and the reason for my anger fr mmx unite is that i got a neighbor who always boasts his unite infront of me..and me thinking"ek bar mil jae pathar mar k screen fod dunga!! " and he just never hear anything..he is so dumb..and one day his phone hanged while boasting..and my monster was just too smooth as always..(happiest moment of the day!!)
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Hey, this is not a guy here...
Galaxy S3 previously, now a Moto X 2014 as my daily driver.... E as the guinea pig...
Trust me, ambient display won't be there.PERIOD. It's only for the high end phones... Even if your phone supports it, the OEM won't support it for low range devices.... Take my word....
He he... I know the feeling.... Indians with MMX on their hands are a waste of time and space....
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And believe me they are huge in numbers....
All they know about a good phone is a huge screen (with absymal pixel density and resolutions).....
Well, the thread is getting off topic...
Let's stop here before someone comes accusing us of spamming here...
ChaTy said:
I dont think ambient display will be missing !!!! even moto g 2md gen got it.
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But it will mak our device battery hungrier because we have an lcd display. Only amoled screens will be benefited with that feature.
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Hi there i recently had an atrix 4g but i was thinking i can sell it and get the razr well does it worth it that much ? i mean what is the big difference between them ?
another question does the atrix has the same display screen as razr i mean is it the same quality and hd like the razr ? and what about the CPU ? thank in advance guys i really appreciate it .
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Hi there i recently had an atrix 4g but i was thinking i can sell it and get the razr well does it worth it that much ? i mean what is the big difference between them ?
another question does the atrix has the same display screen as razr i mean is it the same quality and hd like the razr ? and what about the CPU ? thank in advance guys i really appreciate it .
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You say you want a RAZR but have no idea what the differences are? Sounds like you just want to change phones. Go look up the specs for both and stop being so lazy expecting others to do it for you!
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sigh ..ye im lazy i wont go to GSMArena but instead i open a thread and write down all this crap and wait for an answer ...... /facepalm
i know that they both are dualcore phones but i dont know what is Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H and TI OMAP 4430 which is better and why ? , and the screens are TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors and Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors but what the difference between them thats what im looking for .
Monzer_ said:
sigh ..ye im lazy i wont go to GSMArena but instead i open a thread and write down all this crap and wait for an answer ...... /facepalm
i know that they both are dualcore phones but i dont know what is Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H and TI OMAP 4430 which is better and why ? , and the screens are TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors and Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors but what the difference between them thats what im looking for .
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Wow
Go to the store, play with phones, buy the one you like..
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..or do you need your hand held on your way to the store too?
omg ..... im gonna buy it online .... u guys sick srsly if u dont like the thread dont answer please ty .
anyway a member here just answered all my questions i thank him very much .
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omg ..... im gonna buy it online .... u guys sick srsly if u dont like the thread dont answer please ty .
anyway a member here just answered all my questions i thank him very much .
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Don't worry, it's just the trolls of the wee hours.
But yeah, with the screen you'd have to find somewhere that has them where you can compare each one side by side.
Other than that, I side with the atrix.
Plasmamuffins said:
Don't worry, it's just the trolls of the wee hours.
But yeah, with the screen you'd have to find somewhere that has them where you can compare each one side by side.
Other than that, I side with the atrix.
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thanks dude i appreciate it
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omg ..... im gonna buy it online .... u guys sick srsly if u dont like the thread dont answer please ty .
anyway a member here just answered all my questions i thank him very much .
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Well frankly, you suck. When you make a thread, maybe put the fact you cannot see them in the stores (no other reason to buy them online). You usually put all the relevant info in the first post and not assume we just know
Razr is a beauty tho. Noticed some lag in the store...could have been because too many have touched/installed crap on it.
i used to open threads at defy section ppl were so nice but omg here every one is calling u suck n stuff coz u maybe couldn't explain much or they think the thread is useless , anyway i'd say i think i didnt offend someone in some way so you dont have to be rude just say somthing useful or pass by the thread and dont replay unless you people have some issue in your reallife and releasing some of it here
I had the RAZR and the only reason why I returned it is because it's too wide for my hands. The RAZR is 68.9mm compared to the Atrix which is 63.5mm. My hand would starting hurting after using the RAZR for only 20 mins. It's a matter of preference and which design you like better. Both are excelent phones. Very fast devices. Keep in mind the RAZR has a non removable battery and the battery life on the RAZR is not that great. Also the RAZR uses a microsim so if you have another phone that uses a regular sim, it's a pain to use the microsim adaptor if you switch devices often.
Wirelessgirl said:
I had the RAZR and the only reason why I returned it is because it's too wide for my hands. The RAZR is 68.9mm compared to the Atrix which is 63.5mm. My hand would starting hurting after using the RAZR for only 20 mins. It's a matter of preference and which design you like better. Both are excelent phones. Very fast devices. Keep in mind the RAZR has a non removable battery and the battery life on the RAZR is not that great. Also the RAZR uses a microsim so if you have another phone that uses a regular sim, it's a pain to use the microsim adaptor if you switch devices often.
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Fixed that for ya!
In inches both phones are too big for anyone other than Andre the Giant!
CaelanT said:
Fixed that for ya!
In inches both phones are too big for anyone other than Andre the Giant!
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OMG, I am so sorry. Thanks for fixing that for me. I'm blaming it on my concussion. I was involved in a head on collision and suffered a bad concussion and whiplash.
Monzer_ said:
i used to open threads at defy section ppl were so nice but omg here every one is calling u suck n stuff coz u maybe couldn't explain much or they think the thread is useless , anyway i'd say i think i didnt offend someone in some way so you dont have to be rude just say somthing useful or pass by the thread and dont replay unless you people have some issue in your reallife and releasing some of it here
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I see you, atrix forums are full of douchebags since the 1st day. I used to have an ATrix 4G and sold it to get the Razr. After 3 months of camping with the Razr, i put it in my drawer and bought a new Atrix today.
Main differences are the screen and design and that's mostly about it. Performance wise, Razr is snappier but Atrix isn't slower either. There're just some hiccups with the Atrix at times. Battery life is miles ahead with the Atrix than Razr.
If you're looking for a real upgrade over the Atrix, look for something else or wait for the quadcore madness expected very soon.
Wirelessgirl said:
I had the RAZR and the only reason why I returned it is because it's too wide for my hands. The RAZR is 68.9mm compared to the Atrix which is 63.5mm. My hand would starting hurting after using the RAZR for only 20 mins. It's a matter of preference and which design you like better. Both are excelent phones. Very fast devices. Keep in mind the RAZR has a non removable battery and the battery life on the RAZR is not that great. Also the RAZR uses a microsim so if you have another phone that uses a regular sim, it's a pain to use the microsim adaptor if you switch devices often.
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Thanks alot that is useful
Semseddin said:
I see you, atrix forums are full of douchebags since the 1st day. I used to have an ATrix 4G and sold it to get the Razr. After 3 months of camping with the Razr, i put it in my drawer and bought a new Atrix today.
Main differences are the screen and design and that's mostly about it. Performance wise, Razr is snappier but Atrix isn't slower either. There're just some hiccups with the Atrix at times. Battery life is miles ahead with the Atrix than Razr.
If you're looking for a real upgrade over the Atrix, look for something else or wait for the quadcore madness expected very soon.
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Thanks alot dude , i had a problem with my Atrix4g there is a white strips coming on the screen every couple of seconds i guess its factory failure so i sent it back i was so going to Razr but now u kinda changed my mind
No problem, glad if i could help. If they dont charge you for the replacement razr, that is fine. Otherwise dont spend a penny for it
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My friend has a Razr and we frequently use each other's phones. It does seem that, stock, the Razr is much more smooth. It has a better camera and better battery life. Other than that, I would say there isn't much of a difference. I think his scored in the low 2000s on Quadrant? My Atrix scores roughly 4000, but you wouldn't think there was that much of a difference between the phones.
If I were you, I wouldn't bother with the Razr. It's not that much better.
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Thanks alot that is useful
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You're welcome. Good luck with your decision.
Hi all,
This is a thread where we can chat "all things Ultra" without going off topic in other threads. I'm an expert in going off topic (especially in the dev section), and i'm getting fairly sick of my own behavior, so i thought, why not create a casual thread where we can chat about every aspect of the Ultra without crashing a thread?
Rules:
- Stay on topic
- Talk about whatever you want as long as it is about your device. Rooting, flashing, questions etc.
So, i rooted my ZU yesterday and i'm very happy with it. I installed Xposed Frameworks and changed some DPIs around (i wanted Chrome in tablet mode etc.). Have you rooted your Ultra, or are you waiting? Or something totally different?
Rooted mine the day I bought it
Waiting for a recovery for .532, also a deodexed rom of this firmware. :3
methodbeat said:
Rooted mine the day I bought it
Waiting for a recovery for .532, also a deodexed rom of this firmware. :3
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Have you tried ParanoidAndroid or CM? I haven't yet, but i guess i'll flash one or both of them fairly soon, but i'm actually very pleased with the Sony ROM. It's stable (if we ignore the few bugs in it), i like the launcher, i love the Movie, Gallery and Music app (never ever thought that would be the case), and it's not heavily skinned like TW or the other trainwreck that is also known as LG.
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Have you tried ParanoidAndroid or CM? I haven't yet, but i guess i'll flash one or both of them fairly soon, but i'm actually very pleased with the Sony ROM. It's stable (if we ignore the few bugs in it), i like the launcher, i love the Movie, Gallery and Music app (never ever thought that would be the case), and it's not heavily skinned like TW or the other trainwreck that is also known as LG.
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I haven't yet. I'll do when CWM/TWRP is available for .532
Also, I couldn't agree more. Sony's UI is very pleasing indeed. To say, even my friends with S3s and S4s have flashed the ROMs with Sony's launcher.
I actually flashed the Sony launcher on my Note, but that felt.. wrong? So i went straight back to CM It's a different story now though! Did you get the dock bundled with your Ultra btw? What do you think of it? I wish it was a little heavier so i could just pull the Ultra out of it, but it's so light that i have to hold the dock when i pull it now. I guess i could open it and stuff it with something heavy (like lead?).
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Hi all,
This is a thread where we can chat "all things Ultra" without going off topic in other threads. I'm an expert in going off topic (especially in the dev section), and i'm getting fairly sick of my own behavior, so i thought, why not create a casual thread where we can chat about every aspect of the Ultra without crashing a thread?
Rules:
- Stay on topic
- Talk about whatever you want as long as it is about your device. Rooting, flashing, questions etc.
So, i rooted my ZU yesterday and i'm very happy with it. I installed Xposed Frameworks and changed some DPIs around (i wanted Chrome in tablet mode etc.). Have you rooted your Ultra, or are you waiting? Or something totally different?
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I guess I'll unlock the bootloader and root right away when my phone comes back from service.
I'm so desperate to have it back I went to a store today to see and try it and I brought with me a leaflet... :sad:
Anyway, I agree also, the Sony launcher is amongst the lightest I've seen, and it would be a burden to even install Nova or Go or something else.
AND, I was posting the same topic after reading your reply on the kernel one, so you got here first.
I'll share my sadness every single day my device is away, and worst of it is next week I'll receive the watch and SBH52, they'll throw them self out of the window when they'll see their present companion.......... The Mighty LG 2X............
I'll censure myself for the next words.
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P.s. We sooooo needed this topic...
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LordManhattan said:
I actually flashed the Sony launcher on my Note, but that felt.. wrong? So i went straight back to CM It's a different story now though! Did you get the dock bundled with your Ultra btw? What do you think of it? I wish it was a little heavier so i could just pull the Ultra out of it, but it's so light that i have to hold the dock when i pull it now. I guess i could open it and stuff it with something heavy (like lead?).
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Nope, didn't get the dock bundled with it.
Oh btw, how about a marble layer?
fastest83 said:
I guess I'll unlock the bootloader and root right away when my phone comes back from service.
I'm so desperate to have it back I went to a store today to see and try it and I brought with me a leaflet... :sad:
Anyway, I agree also, the Sony launcher is amongst the lightest I've seen, and it would be a burden to even install Nova or Go or something else.
AND, I was posting the same topic after reading your reply on the kernel one, so you got here first.
I'll share my sadness every single day my device is away, and worst of it is next week I'll receive the watch and SBH52, they'll throw them self out of the window when they'll see their present companion.......... The Mighty LG 2X............
I'll censure myself for the next words.
[email protected]@@@@@@@@@@@£?.
P.s. We sooooo needed this topic...
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I installed Nova three days ago. I have Prime, so i want to get my money's worth, but it doesn't look quite right? The app drawer looks normal, but the screen of the Ultra is so big, and the resolution is so high that the default app grid is set to 6x7 or something, which looks kind of ridiculous IMO. SO many icons! I changed it to something more normal like 5x6, but that looked absolutely ridiculous. I will choose Nova in the end, but i'm perfectly comfortable with Sony's launcher at this time, so i won't change it yet.
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Nope, didn't get the dock bundled with it.
Oh btw, how about a marble layer?
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I guess marble would work too, yes. It would've been easy if i had marble floors, and had a piece left some place, but i have hardwood floors, and that won't cut it. I do however have a "piece" of lead, so that might work. I won't start with project Lead Dock today though, since i've had a couple of beers, and i've learned that it's not the smartest thing to start with a new project while having alcohol in my blood "Hey dude, that 1080 on roller skates looks easy! Hold my beer!"
Luvin the Ultra!! Had prime also but went back to stock. I had rooted it earlier on but went back.just waiting for a Rom that has some options for music. Had note 2 with Jedi x and was using voodoo sound..awesome app..i can get the volume up with headphones and keep it clear. hoping eventually something similar.
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I guess marble would work too, yes. It would've been easy if i had marble floors, and had a piece left some place, but i have hardwood floors, and that won't cut it. I do however have a "piece" of lead, so that might work. I won't start with project Lead Dock today though, since i've had a couple of beers, and i've learned that it's not the smartest thing to start with a new project while having alcohol in my blood "Hey dude, that 1080 on roller skates looks easy! Hold my beer!"
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Hahahah Project Lead Dock sounds cool
sh!t why new cyanogen build taking so long...
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LordManhattan said:
Have you tried ParanoidAndroid or CM? I haven't yet, but i guess i'll flash one or both of them fairly soon, but i'm actually very pleased with the Sony ROM. It's stable (if we ignore the few bugs in it), i like the launcher, i love the Movie, Gallery and Music app (never ever thought that would be the case), and it's not heavily skinned like TW or the other trainwreck that is also known as LG.
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After 2 days on Sony Rom I was pleasantly surprised (had sgs3 gt9300 before xzu) Now on PA and for a 1st beta its very smooth and stable. One thing I will say is though, I cant shake the feeling that sound (eg music thru headphones) is not a sharp/clear on PA and the display isnt as crisp on PA either . Ive backed up my TA partition stuff so will go back and check at some stage.
Chat thread :thumbup: - wanted to comment earlier but always worried about OT chat
Also, great to see the kernel building thread I'm currently playing with the stock rom in dsixda's rom building kitchen - hope to post a deodexed stock/small mods 532 rom when/if I get anything useful made.
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I just bought my two days ago now playing the waiting game. I hope I am going to like it.
IAmBrock said:
I just bought my two days ago now playing the waiting game. I hope I am going to like it.
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Oh, you'll like it.
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Oh, you'll like it.
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How do you come out with these I honestly don't know... but I'm laughing my a$$ off...
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How do you come out with these I honestly don't know... but I'm laughing my a$$ off...
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I either google "reaction gif" or if i'm looking for something usable, like for my previous post, i searched for "Oh, you'll like it gif". It's easy if you know what you're looking for
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I either google "reaction gif" or if i'm looking for something usable, like for my previous post, i searched for "Oh, you'll like it gif". It's easy if you know what you're looking for
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Oh, I get it.
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Oh, I get it.
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Oh, you'll like it.
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Lmao. Waiting sucks though!
Seeing the development forum and the original I come to the conclusion that its to difficult or this device is not popular with devs. I coming from Samsung s4 and there the custom roms are many and updated each month.
The Ultra is a niche device. The S4 is not. The end.
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The Ultra is a niche device. The S4 is not. The end.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what "niche" means
I'm here
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LordManhattan said:
The Ultra is a niche device. The S4 is not. The end.
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Yep that's true can't argue with that. S4 is a horrible device so that's why I dumped it
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I'm here
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Thank god for that! Also Kali checks in now and then, FXP is present, and there are the ones over at the Z1 section.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what "niche" means
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As in a situation in which a business' products or services can succeed by being sold to a particular kind or group of people (which in this case is us), or the short version "a specialized market". The Galaxy Note started out as a niche product, and now it's "mainstream".
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Thank god for that! Also Kali checks in now and then, FXP is present, and there are the ones over at the Z1 section.
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As in a situation in which a business' products or services can succeed by being sold to a particular kind or group of people (which in this case is us), or the short version "a specialized market". The Galaxy Note started out as a niche product, and now it's "mainstream".
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Just notified Kali about some changes I made to device tree for kitkat
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S4 is a horrible device so that's why I dumped it
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:good::good:
boterkaaseneieren said:
Seeing the development forum and the original I come to the conclusion that its to difficult or this device is not popular with devs. I coming from Samsung s4 and there the custom roms are many and updated each month.
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I'm making a ROM at the moment. Its 98% finished and should be up soon. I'm learning, and the "updater-script" has two status 7 errors that me and my testers are trying to solve. Its just a very slow process as my ultra is away so thats making the cooking/testing process so damn slow... and my unit take a month to get it fixed!
I hate living so bloody far away from the world!
Hopefully will see kernels that allow us to optimize the camera increase the sensitivity of the touchscreen.
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On mobile....
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I'm making a ROM at the moment. Its 98% finished and should be up soon. I'm learning, and the "updater-script" has two status 7 errors that me and my testers are trying to solve. Its just a very slow process as my ultra is away so thats making the cooking/testing process so damn slow... and my unit take a month to get it fixed!
I hate living so bloody far away from the world!
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Delete the getprop files in the updater script.
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Delete the getprop files in the updater script.
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Not using any. Its setting the permissions thats proving a problem.
I'm boarding a plane as we speak, and will be back possibly tomorrow/ more than likely Sunday after debreif and all the paperwork.. So will have to wait until im back.
yeah the forum for z ultra is the most boring one ever, as its not 1% active as the samsung devices forums.
I respect all devs who try their best here, maybe there is not room for improvement on it that devs can add on
i miss the amazing themes i used to see on samsung devices while here we don't have themes we have wallpapers and such. At samsung i used to have themes that give me a feeling i own a new device whenever i change themes
devs at samsung forums are really very very engaged in dev and modding and everyday there is something new.
Flashing mods and roms was piece of cake at samsung while here we have to look at unlocking our boot loader which sucks, also I don't see any modded kernels and the huge dev as in samsung forums
I miss samsung if only i could sell the z ultra without losing money i would go back in a second to a samsung device
No offense dude, but stow it. Every single post you make, you're complaining about something, and it's invariably your fault for being disappointed. If you want themes, go check the Themes and Apps forum, there are plenty of different designs there. Or, just get the Themer app that's come out recently for one-touch theming.
Furthermore, complaining about unlocked your bootloader is ridiculous. It takes literally, all of 30 seconds once you get the email with your unlock code in it. Just do it, and quit whining. Or don't. Just quit whining, because the ability is there. We've got a very good Paranoid Android ROM, we've got 4.3 Carbon (which I have used a lot on my Nexus 4; it's good), we've got CyanogenMod 10.2, we've got PAC-Man ROM, we've even got a rapidly-improving AOSP 4.4 ROM. What more do you want? I guess if you don't like AOSP it sucks, but even then, we have two stock 4.2.2 ROMs if you just can't deal with vanilla Android for some reason.
Bottom line: there's not as much development for the XZU as for a company that has sold more than 100 MILLION DEVICES. Are you surprised? If so, it's your fault. Seriously, if you dropped $700 on this phone without knowing a single thing about it, I really have to question your general life skills.
Does this answer your question? The solution is not to buy yet another Samsung device. The solution is to support a different OEM, so Samsung doesn't rape the market even more.
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No offense dude, but stow it. Every single post you make, you're complaining about something, and it's invariably your fault for being disappointed. If you want themes, go check the Themes and Apps forum, there are plenty of different designs there. Or, just get the Themer app that's come out recently for one-touch theming.
Furthermore, complaining about unlocked your bootloader is ridiculous. It takes literally, all of 30 seconds once you get the email with your unlock code in it. Just do it, and quit whining. Or don't. Just quit whining, because the ability is there. We've got a very good Paranoid Android ROM, we've got 4.3 Carbon (which I have used a lot on my Nexus 4; it's good), we've got CyanogenMod 10.2, we've got PAC-Man ROM, we've even got a rapidly-improving AOSP 4.4 ROM. What more do you want? I guess if you don't like AOSP it sucks, but even then, we have two stock 4.2.2 ROMs if you just can't deal with vanilla Android for some reason.
Bottom line: there's not as much development for the XZU as for a company that has sold more than 100 MILLION DEVICES. Are you surprised? If so, it's your fault. Seriously, if you dropped $700 on this phone without knowing a single thing about it, I really have to question your general life skills.
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as usual fanboy answer hahahahahahahha u make me crack you are 100% fanboy, do u wear a T-shirt with sony logo on it
Yeah that's right, just ignore everything I said. It makes you look real good.
Please continue indiscriminately buying phones without knowing anything about them, but don't blame other people for your stupid mistakes.
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as usual fanboy answer hahahahahahahha u make me crack you are 100% fanboy, do u wear a T-shirt with sony logo on it
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You're exactly 3 seconds away from being reported. Why don't you just give the Ultra back to your dad and ask him if you can get the Note 3 for christmas or something? Or even better, get a job as a paperboy and save up some money
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yeah the forum for z ultra is the most boring one ever, as its not 1% active as the samsung devices forums.
I respect all devs who try their best here, maybe there is not room for improvement on it that devs can add on
i miss the amazing themes i used to see on samsung devices while here we don't have themes we have wallpapers and such. At samsung i used to have themes that give me a feeling i own a new device whenever i change themes
devs at samsung forums are really very very engaged in dev and modding and everyday there is something new.
Flashing mods and roms was piece of cake at samsung while here we have to look at unlocking our boot loader which sucks, also I don't see any modded kernels and the huge dev as in samsung forums
I miss samsung if only i could sell the z ultra without losing money i would go back in a second to a samsung device
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Theme? Don't know why but imho, Sony UI doesn't need any other theme. I bet you i never got bored whenever Sony's UI is on. On the other hand, Android stock theme will get boring over time. So the ability to choose theme is a must for them. Samsung TouchWiz? Yuck, no wonder you need to change the theme If you insist, there's always an aftermarket launcher so no excuse to say the theme selection is too limited.
Every exploit comes with a root so if Samsung phones are easier to root, CMIIW but it is prone to be attacked by hacker. So that's two sides of coin actually.. When you're able to get root, you can question the security of the device. So it is a great progression and care by Sony to patch the software even though you have to compromise for no root. But you do insist to have root don't you? well unlocking bootloader is the way then.
Just checked his previous threads and the conclusion is that he's that guy. You know, the whiner. He even whined in the Note 2, and S3 section. He's just an intolerant, sad and bored individual.
Ok, so I bought a SM-G8508S on craigslist. Seems like an interesting phone and I like the samsungs.
So, clearly the previous owner has messed around with it. A precursory search didnt seem to bring anything up. When I try and go into whats typically a download mode, I get "factory mode" in times new roman, and then the chinese/korean/etc menu I posted here. Can anyone tell me what exactly this is, and if there is an odin recovery for it?
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Ok, so I bought a SM-G8508S on craigslist. Seems like an interesting phone and I like the samsungs.
So, clearly the previous owner has messed around with it. A precursory search didnt seem to bring anything up. When I try and go into whats typically a download mode, I get "factory mode" in times new roman, and then the chinese/korean/etc menu I posted here. Can anyone tell me what exactly this is, and if there is an odin recovery for it?
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So I'm wondering if I got one pulled over on me on this one.
The BOX says SM-G850F, but the sticker on the phone say G8508S. Also the IMEI on the sticker doesnt match the IMEI in the ROM. The software is also running like crap. Sad day, but glad I didnt pay too much.
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Ok, so I bought a SM-G8508S on craigslist. Seems like an interesting phone and I like the samsungs.
So, clearly the previous owner has messed around with it. A precursory search didnt seem to bring anything up. When I try and go into whats typically a download mode, I get "factory mode" in times new roman, and then the chinese/korean/etc menu I posted here. Can anyone tell me what exactly this is, and if there is an odin recovery for it?
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what you have there is the fake Galaxy Alpha. you can see this to be convinced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEqYOdtecGM
if you have that phone, non of the methods that are posted here will help you and i would suggest that you don't mess with that phone unless you get clear instructions for that particular fake phone
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what you have there is the fake Galaxy Alpha. you can see this to be convinced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEqYOdtecGM
if you have that phone, non of the methods that are posted here will help you and i would suggest that you don't mess with that phone unless you get clear instructions for that particular fake phone
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Dammit.
Well luckly i didnt pay much, but DAMN its a good knock off!
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Dammit.
Well luckly i didnt pay much, but DAMN its a good knock off!
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but it is not bad phone.. I bet u have IPS screen and nice white color .. bright ..
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but it is not bad phone.. I bet u have IPS screen and nice white color .. bright ..
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After all this comolaining from you on every thread about Galaxy Alpha, i'm begining to think that you were flanked with a fake also. I'm still waiting for another single person to sexond your remarks (besides the screen tone).
I took a small magnifyuing glass the other day and tries to look for dots you mention on the screen and i had to be disapointed - couldn't find any, the images/text is so smooth
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After all this comolaining from you on every thread about Galaxy Alpha, i'm begining to think that you were flanked with a fake also. I'm still waiting for another single person to sexond your remarks (besides the screen tone).
I took a small magnifyuing glass the other day and tries to look for dots you mention on the screen and i had to be disapointed - couldn't find any, the images/text is so smooth
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man u have to translate ''comolaining'' it does not make any sense..
So! If u could NOT find any why u saying i have fake phone?!?!?
do u see yourself what u typing>?? u talking rubbish illogical.. !
So when I say i have crap display .. and u not, that means I have original with old amoled screen used in galaxy I or II .. OK ?
I DON'T HAVE FAKE alpha.. !
Everybody knows that screen is crap but they don't admit it .. but they know it is crap.. !!
and u HAVE copy from china where ALL smartphones are made with IPS .. !!
SO U HAVE IPS screen we have AMOLED ... CAPITO ???
So THAT IS WHY u dont see dots OK? did u already get it ??
jeeez I have to explain everything here like in pre-school to kids.. seriously !!
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man u have to translate ''comolaining'' it does not make any sense..
So! If u could NOT find any why u saying i have fake phone?!?!?
do u see yourself what u typing>?? u talking rubbish illogical.. !
So when I say i have crap display .. and u not, that means I have original with old amoled screen used in galaxy I or II .. OK ?
I DON'T HAVE FAKE alpha.. !
Everybody knows that screen is crap but they don't admit it .. but they know it is crap.. !!
and u HAVE copy from china where ALL smartphones are made with IPS .. !!
SO U HAVE IPS screen we have AMOLED ... CAPITO ???
So THAT IS WHY u dont see dots OK? did u already get it ??
jeeez I have to explain everything here like in pre-school to kids.. seriously !!
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sorry about the typo. it seems it got you a bit nervous. it's a typo that you could easily guess from comPlaining. and i see what i'm typing i just don't use spell checker and sometimes things like that slip.
i don't think the display is so crappy as to have someone so mad about it. and for this issue, i suggest you open a polling/voting thread and collect the opinions of other people also. just because someone doesn't find it justifiable to reply to you back on that, doesn't mean they agree with you.
and no, i didn't CAPITO. if you like so much IPS screen, why do you even buy a Samsung device? i know that almost all their phones are with Amoled displays (i've had Amoled since Galaxy S2). everybody knows what are the pro's and con's of Amoled, and colors/tones being not to everybody's taste. i personally think this is why they have the dropped sales this year and i hope they understand this issue and change it
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if you like so much IPS screen, why do you even buy a Samsung device? i know that almost all their phones are with Amoled displays (i've had Amoled since Galaxy S2). everybody knows what are the pro's and con's of Amoled, and colors/tones being not to everybody's taste. i personally think this is why they have the dropped sales this year and i hope they understand this issue and change it
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I HAD NO idea that it will be so bad .. I didn't expected that samsung will be CONMAN .. samsung they did it on purpose.. !
I thought screens in 2014 will be great without discussion ..
All reviews on internet says about it.. check..
u have clone alpha but u dont know but u have actually better phone ..
I compared screen with my mate's S5 and he laughed at me ..
S5 has completely different type screen! white color is nicer colder .. like u see here
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I HAD NO idea that it will be so bad .. I didn't expected that samsung will be CONMAN .. samsung they did it on purpose.. !
I thought screens in 2014 will be great without discussion ..
All reviews on internet says about it.. check..
u have clone alpha but u dont know but u have actually better phone ..
I compared screen with my mate's S5 and he laughed at me ..
S5 has completely different type screen! white color is nicer colder .. like u see here
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in Samsung Amoled devices there is an option called Screen Mode. did you check the different modes? i use Amoled Basic and i have decent colors/tones. i also turn off "Auto adjust screen tone" and "voila" i'm a happy and proud Galaxy Alpha owner. (voila is a french word used as a synonim to = here it is, unveiled.
however, i can say yo one more thing. i did have in my hands another Galaxy Alpha and did witness slightly different screen tones, however, the resolution was the same and quite OK for a 720p device
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in Samsung Amoled devices there is an option called Screen Mode. did you check the different modes? i use Amoled Basic and i have decent colors/tones. i also turn off "Auto adjust screen tone" and "voila" i'm a happy and proud Galaxy Alpha owner. (voila is a french word used as a synonim to = here it is, unveiled.
however, i can say yo one more thing. i did have in my hands another Galaxy Alpha and did witness slightly different screen tones, however, the resolution was the same and quite OK for a 720p device
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man i repair phones , iphones , dont worry i know what screen mode is.. it is about collor saturation and richness .. that wont help have white actually white.. if u have new TVs lg or sony , samsung ull find u can increase degrease color temperature picture below ..
well u have screen tone whe havent that feature unfortunately .. am telling u your clone alpha is better..
haha mate waht u think I am . from another galaxy?? u think? my sister teaches french come oon man
as I can see in upper picture,I cant compare SamsungAlpha with other phone screen
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as I can see in upper picture,I cant compare SamsungAlpha with other phone screen
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what do you mean ?
is more brighter,more density screen on Alpha I dont know what your setting are,but it`s obviously
http://www.samsung.com/cn/consumer/store-products/mobile-phones/product/SM-G8508ZWSCHC
SM-G8508S isn't a fake Alpha but it is the specific model for China market so what you see is the Chinese word.
http://www.teamandroid.com/2014/12/13/root-galaxy-alpha-sm-g8508s-lte-chinese-android-firmware/
And it is Qualcomm s801 cpu, not Exynos.
I love this phone. I really do, and frankly, **** verizon for making me so scared to hold out on it. I already have the "software status: modified" in the about section, without doing anything to provoke it and a vzw manager tried to tell me my 3 day old phone was out of warranty, thankfully tech-support knows just as little, and they claimed that any non demo model would have the "modified tag" and they marked in my account that the modified status would have no bearing on my warranty. This is the kind of thing I just dont want to deal with around something I own.
BIGGEST CONCERN: vzw V10 marshmallow. do we have any guarantee of when or if it will arrive?
It is pretty sad that a carrier has me wanting to trade in my beautiful phone, for a 6P that is lower powered and less of what I want hardware wise. Thanks for the help guys
The Verizon V10, like all V10s, will be getting Marshmallow. There is no guaranteed date.
You don't need to switch phone but you do need to switch carriers.
How the f did the device show "software status: modified" on a freaking Verizon phone when they locked it so tight that you can't modify anything?
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I love this phone. I really do, and frankly, **** verizon for making me so scared to hold out on it. I already have the "software status: modified" in the about section, without doing anything to provoke it and a vzw manager tried to tell me my 3 day old phone was out of warranty, thankfully tech-support knows just as little, and they claimed that any non demo model would have the "modified tag" and they marked in my account that the modified status would have no bearing on my warranty. This is the kind of thing I just dont want to deal with around something I own.
BIGGEST CONCERN: vzw V10 marshmallow. do we have any guarantee of when or if it will arrive?
It is pretty sad that a carrier has me wanting to trade in my beautiful phone, for a 6P that is lower powered and less of what I want hardware wise. Thanks for the help guys
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Can you post a pic, I would like to check my son's phone?
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Kylewolf said:
I love this phone. I really do, and frankly, **** verizon for making me so scared to hold out on it. I already have the "software status: modified" in the about section, without doing anything to provoke it and a vzw manager tried to tell me my 3 day old phone was out of warranty, thankfully tech-support knows just as little, and they claimed that any non demo model would have the "modified tag" and they marked in my account that the modified status would have no bearing on my warranty. This is the kind of thing I just dont want to deal with around something I own.
BIGGEST CONCERN: vzw V10 marshmallow. do we have any guarantee of when or if it will arrive?
It is pretty sad that a carrier has me wanting to trade in my beautiful phone, for a 6P that is lower powered and less of what I want hardware wise. Thanks for the help guys
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While I'm on Verizon also and agree with most of ur points the 6P is actually not lowered powered. It has a 810, bigger battery and better battery life, fingerprint sensor, all aluminum body, front speakers and louder ones, newest software at ur will, while the camera ain't as gd probably it's still very comparable. To be honest I'm getting V10 but have my doubts and probably will end up with a 6P but we will see, maybe LG will win me over.
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While I'm on Verizon also and agree with most of ur points the 6P is actually not lowered powered. It has a 810, bigger battery and better battery life, fingerprint sensor, all aluminum body, front speakers and louder ones, newest software at ur will, while the camera ain't as gd probably it's still very comparable. To be honest I'm getting V10 but have my doubts and probably will end up with a 6P but we will see, maybe LG will win me over.
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But the V10 has a removable/replaceable battery,expandable memory,OIS and supposedly getting wireless charging very soon,probably a better camera and is shock/vibration made. Plus Verizon gave me $300 for a Blu POS I had laying around and with the LG promotion with a free 200gb memory card and extra battery and battery charger it was a no brainer. PS and quick charging
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But the V10 has a removable/replaceable battery,expandable memory,OIS and supposedly getting wireless charging very soon,probably a better camera and is shock/vibration made. Plus Verizon gave me $300 for a Blu POS I had laying around and with the LG promotion with a free 200gb memory card and extra battery and battery charger it was a no brainer. PS and quick charging
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Oh I agree very valid points, I'm going with the promo to so yeah no brainer I figured it was worth trying out. I'm not knocking the phone at all, the build quality looks amazing and feels amazing and I'm one that favors LGs skin but I also like vanilla as well. I'm just saying there's a lot of positives on the 6p as well. As far as battery life the LG will get better once it gets marshmallow. I got the Nexus 6 and doze is amazing. I usually charge my phone at night and take it off the charger every morning but with MM the phone sleeps very good, I usually go to bed around 11 with 100% and wake up at 6 with either 100% or 99%. Nexus 6P has quick charging to (not as quick) and USB type C.
Seems to be convincing enough
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Seems to be convincing enough
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Hey you do realize that this was a fake phone he was using, right?
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Hey you do realize that this was a fake phone he was using, right?
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He re-did the test with a brand-new-out-of-the-box phone and it too broke. The video is on his channel.
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He re-did the test with a brand-new-out-of-the-box phone and it too broke. The video is on his channel.
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No idea who the dude is, but if he used a fake phone first then he lost all credibility.
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Hey you do realize that this was a fake phone he was using, right?
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He made 2 videos and both look quite legit. How are you so certain without any proof that it's a fake phone?
That was fake, total tech and droidmodderx tried to bend it with no success. Also I never understood this bending issue with the iPhone. How in the hell do u bend a phone? You ain't suppose to sit on the damn thing, any phone that is for that matter. I just never understood the bending hype. U can give me any phone out there and it won't bend cause I use my phone how a "normal person" would.
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That was fake, total tech and droidmodderx tried to bend it with no success. Also I never understood this bending issue with the iPhone. How in the hell do u bend a phone? You ain't suppose to sit on the damn thing, any phone that is for that matter. I just never understood the bending hype. U can give me any phone out there and it won't bend cause I use my phone how a "normal person" would.
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I guess you are a very careful person that never left your phone in your jeans pant's pocket
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BIGGEST CONCERN: vzw V10 marshmallow. do we have any guarantee of when or if it will arrive?
It is pretty sad that a carrier has me wanting to trade in my beautiful phone, for a 6P that is lower powered and less of what I want hardware wise. Thanks for the help guys
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The V10 will get Marshmallow.. Your biggest concern should be that the Nexus doesn't have a removable battery and if you are like me you want to keep your music on a microsd card! The best part is when zerolemon will release their extended battery for this phone. But if you want to be cool like all those wall hugging Iphone users BE my guest.
Convinced?
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I guess you are a very careful person that never left your phone in your jeans pant's pocket
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I just did that a few weeks ago with one of my old android phones that I was using as my music player.... It came out very clean
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You don't need to switch phone but you do need to switch carriers.
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What this guy said. Ditched Verizon as soon as T-mobile's uncarrier initiative happened. Had verizon 7 years and hated it the whole time. Gets in the way of anything good that can happen to your phone. Have to say though, reception was great. Extremely greedy carrier
Lol @ this thread
wtf do we keep having these 'convince' me threads? what makes people think they are so important or entitled that I'ms supposed to be putting effort to convince them to stay with a particular phone?
There are tons of threads/forums/reddits/blogs that have info on this phone and other phones..read them just like we did and make your decision based on YOUR needs, not ours.
I had a z ultra which bent in my front pocket after a while. I baby all my stuff but that phone bent because it was too big and poorly engineered.
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Bootup said:
wtf do we keep having these 'convince' me threads? what makes people think they are so important or entitled that I'ms supposed to be putting effort to convince them to stay with a particular phone?
There are tons of threads/forums/reddits/blogs that have info on this phone and other phones..read them just like we did and make your decision based on YOUR needs, not ours.
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