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Haven't found this. Is rooting this device reversible in such a way as ATT cannot tell you ever rooted it and warranty/insurance would cover it if something comes up with the phone?
Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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orangekid said:
Haven't found this. Is rooting this device reversible in such a way as ATT cannot tell you ever rooted it and warranty/insurance would cover it if something comes up with the phone?
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I tripped the flash counter on my ATT SGS2 and it even had the big triangle with exclamation point come up on boot after the counter was triggered. I had a problem with calls dropping and they could not determine the cause and I was able to swap it out for a new one in store even with a custom rom and the counter tripped. The guy at the ATT store didnt even pay attention when it booted up with the big triangle on the screen. I don't know if this guy just missed this or if ATT just doesnt care all together.
I think if you are really worried about your warranty then I would wait until a solution comes around to either reset the counter or root without tripping it in the first place just to be safe. Because when I got my replacement SGS2 they had already come up with another method that did not trip the flash counter.
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Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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I know that much, but can they tell you ever flashed Odin in the first place?
Unfortunately atm rooting will trigger your flash counter and there is no way of resetting it, if im not mistaken.
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Rooting is reversible. You can use Odin and return the phone back to stock.
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This is true but the flash counter will not be reset.
Romee74 said:
I tripped the flash counter on my ATT SGS2 and it even had the big triangle with exclamation point come up on boot after the counter was triggered. I had a problem with calls dropping and they could not determine the cause and I was able to swap it out for a new one in store even with a custom rom and the counter tripped. The guy at the ATT store didnt even pay attention when it booted up with the big triangle on the screen. I don't know if this guy just missed this or if ATT just doesnt care all together.
I think if you are really worried about your warranty then I would wait until a solution comes around to either reset the counter or root without tripping it in the first place just to be safe. Because when I got my replacement SGS2 they had already come up with another method that did not trip the flash counter.
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that's what I was looking for. Thanks!
Picking up this bad boy today. I wanted to root it first thing for no ads and to use mybackuproot to restore all my apps from my old HD2, but I guess I'll wait. If I get a bad screen or something I don't want them to say "well you tripped the flash counter, so we can't do **** for you"
if its a hardware problem they still have to replace it weather you rooted it or not. bad hardware is bad hardware. i have had people atleast on sprint return devices that had custom roms for what ever reason and as long as its a true hardware issue it would play no difference on the return
drksilenc said:
if its a hardware problem they still have to replace it weather you rooted it or not. bad hardware is bad hardware. i have had people atleast on sprint return devices that had custom roms for what ever reason and as long as its a true hardware issue it would play no difference on the return
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are you sure about that, I thought rooting violates all warranty claims.
depends on how you root. rooting a phone wont do much of anything. messing with your kernel will. kernel is what gets you in trouble most of the time.
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depends on how you root. rooting a phone wont do much of anything. messing with your kernel will. kernel is what gets you in trouble most of the time.
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I mean the carrier can say "no" to everything even if obviously the root didn't cause the problem because technically rooting voids the warranty. I've known Sprint to do this.
I'm not talking about what they "should" do or if rooting does anything bad, I'm talking about what ATT ACTUALLY does in these cases.
Buy a USB download jig. It resets your flash counter back to 0.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNBrick-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-i9100-Download-Mode-USB-Jig-/270805686806
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well if you root without changing your counter. just delete the su app using command line and your good none the wiser on there part.
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Buy a USB download jig. It resets your flash counter back to 0.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNBrick-Samsung-Galaxy-S2-i9100-Download-Mode-USB-Jig-/270805686806
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Read the forums. People have already tested and said multiple times that the jigs don't work on the Note due to a new bootloader.
I'm just curious as I'm new to this.
Not being a negative thinker here, but is there a chance that there will NEVER be a method that will reset the counters back to 0? Jig or what other methods can be used?
I love the Note and I was really excited on all this rooting stuff until I found out about this one. I have bad luck with gadgets as they fail on me most of the time even before the contract is up. It would be a pain that if it happens, Samsung will deny me the warranty because of that after paying $299.
Or could this "New Bootloader" be the new "Locked bootloader" (Like the Atrix when it was lauched?)
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well if you root without changing your counter. just delete the su app using command line and your good none the wiser on there part.
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but that's not possible is it?
keplenk said:
I'm just curious as I'm new to this.
Not being a negative thinker here, but is there a chance that there will NEVER be a method that will reset the counters back to 0? Jig or what other methods can be used?
I love the Note and I was really excited on all this rooting stuff until I found out about this one. I have bad luck with gadgets as they fail on me most of the time even before the contract is up. It would be a pain that if it happens, Samsung will deny me the warranty because of that after paying $299.
Or could this "New Bootloader" be the new "Locked bootloader" (Like the Atrix when it was lauched?)
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It's not a locked bootloader because it's already been rooted. But it is a new bootloader that apparently really wants to count flashes.
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Read the forums. People have already tested and said multiple times that the jigs don't work on the Note due to a new bootloader.
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Yes I have read the forums.
It does work on the new bootloader (been tested and done on 2.3.6). For reference see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888
However on the AT&T version it has not been tested yet. Only on the Int'l version. I would wait for confirmation to see if and when the AT&T version has been tested.
Another way to do it, once ICS 4.0 comes on this phone, is to use Chainfire's app called TriangleAway (have to be rooted) and you can reset the counter back to 0 as well. Someone did it on their Int'l Note by flashing the ICS 4.0 leak and then using TriangleAway. Then using Odin to put on another ROM.8
So basically the questions are
1) can you flash something which does not trip the counter which can be fully restored to stock that roots your phone?
2) Is there a way to bring the trip counter back to zero?
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Yes I have read the forums.
It does work on the new bootloader (been tested and done on 2.3.6). For reference see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888
However on the AT&T version it has not been tested yet. Only on the Int'l version. I would wait for confirmation to see if and when the AT&T version has been tested.
Another way to do it, once ICS 4.0 comes on this phone, is to use Chainfire's app called TriangleAway (have to be rooted) and you can reset the counter back to 0 as well. Someone did it on their Int'l Note by flashing the ICS 4.0 leak and then using TriangleAway. Then using Odin to put on another ROM.8
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International bootloader =/= AT&T Bootloader. The different SoC's and build dates along with other factors mean that we can't use the jig method right now. There is no downgrade bootloader for use to use, even. We're stuck.
saw the post today on the front page and wondering has anyone tried this "univeral" root that will not void the warranty: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578908
PUTALE said:
saw the post today on the front page and wondering has anyone tried this "univeral" root that will not void the warranty: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578908
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This will only work on devices that store the unlock status in the misc image. I don't think that is the case with the Rezound.
ah, thanks for the info. I was hoping I can use it to play aroudn with diff roms and such wihtout voiding the warranty. but I guess not.
Was told by neighbor this doesn't work with the Rezound. He tried it several times.
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ah, thanks for the info. I was hoping I can use it to play aroudn with diff roms and such wihtout voiding the warranty. but I guess not.
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I've known several people who warrantied their phones unlocked or relocked and had no problems. I've never found anyone that paid the sur charge because warranty was denied due to unlocking. Only found one person claiming it might have kept them from having warranty honored, and their info on shipping the old device back didn't add up.
Honestly though if my device was over a week old and tested it would be worth the risk.
So I am thinking about exchanging my phone (would have to do it through samsung, because the place i bought it the time limit expired) because the pictures are horrible, I really think there is something wrong with the phone.
My question is, I am rooted, and have flashed a few roms. Can I just odin back to stock? Or is there some kind of flash counter that needs to be reset?
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Yes you can just flash back to stock but as far as resetting the counter ...I don't think there's a way yet.
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So I am thinking about exchanging my phone (would have to do it through samsung, because the place i bought it the time limit expired) because the pictures are horrible, I really think there is something wrong with the phone.
My question is, I am rooted, and have flashed a few roms. Can I just odin back to stock? Or is there some kind of flash counter that needs to be reset?
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This is the guide I used. It has all the files you need. http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-unroot/how-to-unroot-t-mobile-galaxy-s3-sgh-t999/
Depending on the method you used to root, your counter will most likely be non-Zero. Since triangle reset does not yet support the T999, your out of luck. If you bought the phone in a non Tmobile store, they normally don't check the boot loader. So your best bet is to restore stock, then do a factory reset and leave the phone on for the return, so they don't think you have messed with it. I returned mine for an exchange to a Walmart and they didn't check the boot loader. YMMV.
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This is the guide I used. It has all the files you need. http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-unroot/how-to-unroot-t-mobile-galaxy-s3-sgh-t999/
Depending on the method you used to root, your counter will most likely be non-Zero. Since triangle reset does not yet support the T999, your out of luck. If you bought the phone in a non Tmobile store, they normally don't check the boot loader. So your best bet is to restore stock, then do a factory reset and leave the phone on for the return, so they don't think you have messed with it. I returned mine for an exchange to a Walmart and they didn't check the boot loader. YMMV.
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yeah I bought mine at walmart, but it is past the 15 days dont know what to do now.....
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Don't worry about the counter thing... I have returned 2 android phones that were heavily modded and nothing ever happened. I did a warranty exchange with my T- mobile SGS2 about 6 months ago. I just made sure to flash it back to stock and get rid of any evidence that would make someone think I modded. Do you really think that Samsung checks every phone they get back for warranty replacement? Do you have any idea how many phones they get returned? I don't know, but I'm sure it's a butt-load! Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. FYI. This has been my experience. I cannot guarantee the same for others.
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Don't worry about the counter thing... I have returned 2 android phones that were heavily modded and nothing ever happened. I did a warranty exchange with my T- mobile SGS2 about 6 months ago. I just made sure to flash it back to stock and get rid of any evidence that would make someone think I modded. Do you really think that Samsung checks every phone they get back for warranty replacement? Do you have any idea how many phones they get returned? I don't know, but I'm sure it's a butt-load! Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. FYI. This has been my experience. I cannot guarantee the same for others.
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Thanks.
Also, for future readers, the Counter Flasher Reset (Triangle Away) now supports US versions.
Go to the thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1494114
So I messed up my phone pretty good the other day by corrupting my efs partition (constant bootloop). Sprint was pissy that I couldn't get system status to official, just binary. So I called Samsung and explained the situation. I was informed your factory warranty is still valid regardless of Knox being tripped and that the only way to void it was water damage or some other physical damage. Has anyone considered that Knox only trips to show phone has been tampered with for security issues? Maybe has nothing to do with our little hobby. Just a thought. Anyway, found it interesting and thought yall would too.
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So I messed up my phone pretty good the other day by corrupting my efs partition (constant bootloop). Sprint was pissy that I couldn't get system status to official, just binary. So I called Samsung and explained the situation. I was informed your factory warranty is still valid regardless of Knox being tripped and that the only way to void it was water damage or some other physical damage. Has anyone considered that Knox only trips to show phone has been tampered with for security issues? Maybe has nothing to do with our little hobby. Just a thought. Anyway, found it interesting and thought yall would too.
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Yes, they say as much on their site on the issue (security for enterprise users and it being a secure countermeasure for the bring your own device to work crowd), though their message to consumers may be changing, as others have contacted Sammy and reported just the opposite.
I believe that this is very useful information, and let us hope that it entails a sea change on the rise. Perhaps I and others can place calls to them and see what we are told.
On a side note, if your still having trouble with your EFS, flash the file below from recovery and see if that doesn't just put your phone back into action.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jszle9kklqnkaa0/Brick_Loop_FIX_afterRestoringBackup.zip
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Thank you Sir. File Saved for future reference. That phone is at sprint now. Have brand new device. I agree 100% on calling them to find a general concensus on the issue. They have the ability to flash back so don't see why they'd care. Anyway, I appreciate your help and feedback. Loving this sprint note 3 community here.
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Can you tell me if triangle away in combination with the stock Tar file will enable OTA update after rooting and flashing?
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My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
caodangra said:
My Tmobile Samsung S5 had tripped Knox after rooted. I read that Triangle Away can set back the Knox counter. Before purchasing this app, I want to ask have anyone able to use Triangle Away on the S5? Thank!
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It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
MattMJB0188 said:
It will not work. If you try it, it may brick your phone.
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thank for the information.:good:
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thank for the information.:good:
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No problem.
There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
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There is a new ROM that takes care of this problem. But you have to install that ROM. Just go under development there are only a few there.
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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I think you are misinformed. KNOX cannot currently be subverted.
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That is correct - some have said (those that know more than I) that tripping knox blows a Q FUSE which as I understand it is a phyisical attribute on the phone not a software attribute - - to UNDO that would be impossible without a soldering iron of somekind -)(joking) but there are tons of QFUSES avaialble from what I have read - and it seems that Samsung and maybe even the carrier tech staff have a way of "Reassigning" the QFUSE or someting - as many phones taken back for repairs are returned with Knox reset to 0.
I may be completely wrong in the way I am describing this - as I am not developer and have only read a bunch about it - much of which was way over my head - but that is my interpreation of how it works (on a very simple level)
For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
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For the record, I ran Triangle Away on my TMO S5 without any issue. I'm not sure if it worked as I have not checked.. but it did not brick my phone.
Also, this is the first I've heard of this KNOX chip and hardware tampering system. It is very possible to construct a loop that is designed to blow a fuse; thus triggering a desired software effect. HOWEVER, its still software which means that (in theory) its still possible to work around. If all of this is true, it will only be a matter of time before we have a work around.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
There is currently no way to reset the Knox Warranty flag on a G900T (and most other models) once it has been set to 0x1. Triangle away does not work. Tons of threads on XDA about this, and much more discussion can be found with a simple Google search.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Don't send it in. Go to a retail store. Less chance of them checking.
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wondering any update did it work or not ....i need to send my phone in and wanted to know
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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thank for the information.:good:
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my friend just took a GS5 back to tmobile because he basiclly bicked it and was to impatient to drop iot off at my house to fix it. They gave him a new one no questions asked and knox was tripped ..Its like they dont even care .. If you have premium handset protection it dont even matter if you trip knox . I think they would rather get a knox tripped phone rather than one that has a cracked screen ..The sales people up there only know how to do one thngand that is a factory reset to solve any and all problems .LOL.The last thing tmobile wants to do is keep you from having a phone.
T-Mobile does not check if Knox was tripped. They don't know how to check it anyways. Just make sure that if they ask, do not give an impression that the phone is rooted.
I bricked my phone & brought back to Sprint & got a new one without a problem... Thank God!
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Triangle away will not reset your Knox flag.
The flag can be reset in theory and has actually has been reset under controlled conditions in Development threads. But don't expect an end user solution to materialize anytime soon. For all practical purposes, a Knox flag is irreversible.
Sending a 0x1 phone to Samsung for warranty service will inevitably get it returned as unrepairable i.e. a refused warranty claim. If you live in the EU you can argue with them as their are stronger consumer protection laws ostensibly preventing them from refusing a claim unless they can demonstrate that your root damaged the phone.
For anyone elsewhere, it's more effective to claim warranty through your carrier. Many carriers don't care about Knox.
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Some info in this thread is false, but this user explains it correctly. Triangle away is not about the Knox counter but about the Flash counter, which counts if your phone has been flashed. And on some devices it counts how many times you've flashed. I've attached a screenshot to clarify
The OP question, if triangle away works wasn't answered that i saw. I boldly tried it, with TriangeAway version 3.26 on an international SM-G900F with Polish Lollipop rom ...BNL9 version. The phone was Odin flashed with official Polish firmware to upgrade to 5.0 lollipop and then rooted with CF autoroot. And on this device TriangleAway worked! Flash counters were reset to official. Knox still tripped of course.
Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
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Nice Thread. I have some more questions about this topic. I have a S5 with Phoenix ROM.
I don't care about knox or warranty, but for cosmetic issues I would like to have this SEAndroid Enforcing Thingy go away. So may I ask what part of the system reports This message. And what does SEAndroid mean? If this is some kind of certificate or other property? How will the phone know if, for example, Android 5.3 comes out? Or will that use an old kernel the phone already knows?
What are the chances someone makes a custom kernel that is SEAndroid Enforcing?
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Triangle away will not remove it. Only way to remove it is to run 100% stock kernel
Could not someone edit the text to Kernel ready for CPUSPEEDENFORCING? Or Kernel Is too smart for the phone? P.S. Your answer was already given. I asked something else.
In an effort to reclaim the thread and keep it going (as for a question that I have as well), what is the hardware effect that the QFUSE breaking causes? My Knox was tripped before I received the phone, and the only noticeable flaw I have (not sure if it is Knox related because I received the phone by a trade) is that within my back camera pictures, I have three black spots that look like burns (snapshot attached). Could someone help me out?