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Operation #MotoBBB:
I really don't know how useful making a new petition at Change.org is going to do, given that OP MOSH didn't lead us anywhere. But I feel that this + the BBB complaint rally may take us somewhere. Because, for each new BBB complaint, Motorola receives a brand new complaint, a brand new email to reply to and each email they ignore, the more their ratings and ranking and reputation will be affected at BBB.
So, here is the new petition @Change.org:
https://www.change.org/petitions/mo...s-unlock-the-bootloaders?share_id=ZhoxoqVsuz&
The aim of the petition is to get an apology from Motorola and Verizon, get all our Bootloaders unlocked AND get all the devices released within 18 months of the ICS release date to be updated to ICS.
The aim of the BBB complaint is to submit a personal, one on one complaint to Motorola. The way this works is that Motorola will get an email detailing the complaint and they should respond to it within a month, else it will count negatively on their ratings at BBB. An XDA member named iBolski already did this and he got a very detailed response. So this seems to be effective.
Secondly, I and several other users at the Droid X2 forums have also filed a complaint. Though we didn't get a response yet, I feel that Motorola is taking its time as it wants to respond correctly. So, I feel that this is adding pressure to them. Nevertheless, the fact that they MUST respond, otherwise face consequences definitely means that if a sizeable number of people complain, they will be under severe pressure.
So far 9,279 people signed the OP MOSH petition. I can't imagine how much pressure this will cause if each person who signed that petition also filed a BBB complaint. So many BBB complaints in such a short time would firstly be a record and secondly will be a huge pressure on Motorola who HAVE to respond to each and everyone of them, else face consequences.
Therefore, I URGE you to file a BBB complaint, even if you Don't sign the petition. But please do sign the petition once you file a complaint since that way I will know how many of you guys filed a BBB complaint!
Attached is a template letter for filing for the BBB complaint AND instructions on how to do so!
May we prevail! Please do submit this thread as a news tip! The more people know about this, the stronger we get! If you want to follow my ongoing struggle with Motorola, go to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547632
Instructions to File BBB Complaint + Template Complaint
God speed!
P.S: Moderators, upon consulting with a few xda members I felt that this is NOT spamming as I am soliciting the help of members across several forums. Hence, please do not ban or in other ways punish me. If this is spam, kindly let me know, since I have done this for the first time and moreover, as can clearly be seen from the post I am bringing forth a genuine concern that needs me to post this across all Motorola android phone forums! Thank you for understanding.
FIRST !!... no really... seriously though.. I'm in <runs off to file the BBB complait and sign the petition>
daddymikey1975 said:
FIRST !!... no really... seriously though.. I'm in <runs off to file the BBB complait and sign the petition>
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Thank you!
sounds like a plan, count me in.
litetaker said:
Thank you!
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just finished.. lots of editing to make your letter work for me but I got it
Thanks for spearheading this operation.
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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iguanad said:
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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You kidding me?
They promise bootloader unlocked before they even release it...
I bought the phone cause of that, i would had buy another phone if it wasent for that....
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/SIGNED! Complaint filed. Power to the people and stuff!
iguanad said:
I understand that you guys want an unlocked bootloader. I don't understand why you would buy a phone with a locked bootloader then complain that its locked? I also don't understand why you think motorola or Verizon is obligated to take any action?
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I don't understand why you're so complacent with a locked bootloader. Why do you drink the kool-aid like the rest of the sheeple ?
If you're not going to support this effort then go ahead and move along to another thread where your comments might be more welcome.
Have a wonderful day... toodles
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I don't understand why you're so complacent with a locked bootloader. Why do you drink the kool-aid like the rest of the sheeple ?
If you're not going to support this effort then go ahead and move along to another thread where your comments might be more welcome.
Have a wonderful day... toodles
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You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
litetaker said:
You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
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when a society sits on their tails instead of standing on their beliefs, well, it makes for a sore ass.. Stand for something, stand strong, fight to the death. If nothing else, you won't be bored. Maybe they'll at least tell us to STFU in which case we can still prove that we got their attention, right ?
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You guys are so far THE most vocal Motorola phone community I have posted this info on! And I guess next comes DX2 but that is because we guys are burned out and are desperately in need of some good news!!! XD
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OH.. don't forget the photon community either.. they would enjoy some unlocked bootloader love
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when a society sits on their tails instead of standing on their beliefs, well, it makes for a sore ass.. Stand for something, stand strong, fight to the death. If nothing else, you won't be bored. Maybe they'll at least tell us to STFU in which case we can still prove that we got their attention, right ?
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OH.. don't forget the photon community either.. they would enjoy some unlocked bootloader love
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I'd like to thank this and the previous post, but I ran out of thanks for today! What the!? How am I limited to thank people? In real life I thank as much and as often as I can, so XDA you can learn a thing or two!
Anyway, if you are in anyway interested, or find yourself bored at some point of time, you can pop in and have a look at the ongoing fight I am having with Motorola! Today was a productive day in the fight! Check it out here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547632
PROTIP: The Better Business Bureau RARELY does ANYTHING about a company that pays their BBB dues. And you can bet your bippy that both Google and Motorola Mobility pay their BBB dues.
Who actually checks the rankings of the bbb!? They're just a self promoting business themselves, with no real power to pressure any business to make any changes. If you want to affect a business don't buy it's products.
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Signed
Signed hope this works...
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Complaint filed after plenty of editing.
Guess we wait and see
Done
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PROTIP: The Better Business Bureau RARELY does ANYTHING about a company that pays their BBB dues. And you can bet your bippy that both Google and Motorola Mobility pay their BBB dues.
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even if this is 100% true, we at least will have the satisfaction knowing that we're flooding them with email, snail mail, or enough crap to piss any sane person off.. which is plenty for me.. if it convinces them to unlock the bootloaders, BONUS..
just sayin'
daddymikey1975 said:
even if this is 100% true, we at least will have the satisfaction knowing that we're flooding them with email, snail mail, or enough crap to piss any sane person off.. which is plenty for me.. if it convinces them to unlock the bootloaders, BONUS..
just sayin'
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Flooding BBB with frivolous complaints will make Motorola change a phone?
By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
More: http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10...ver-missing-exynos-docs/#.UHVMN3qlP4Q.twitter
Spread the word to your friends in other device forums, etc to join the fight!
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
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Also https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
This thing is growing to a serious amount right now and I like it
There are a growing amount of threads about the source code issue:
Note N7000:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901
Galaxy SII I9100:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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Even if it is lg Google should solve the horrid software updates
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Nope. I'll still buy Samsung devices. They have the best hardware and design IMO, and I actually like Touchwiz.
i'm pretty phone-agnostic. but i'll avoid HTC and Moto like the plague because of actual hardware
will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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huh?
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up. And look at how much emphasis they've placed on the whole emmc brickbug issue. They have great design and hardware elements, but if there are less devs to support the continuity and customization of these Samsung devices, then it makes all the more sense for me to jump ship. I don't like the other manufacturers, but if they are more supportive of developers in terms of code release, etc. then that's where i'll be heading. Or I might just buy a Nexus device. Samsung needs to stop being so darn stingy.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
Lucke said:
Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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So true. One of my co-workers was a staunch Blackberry fan; when his phone tanked and he went back to our telecoms provider (the S3 had just been released), he convinced them to upgrade him to an S3 instead of replacing the dead BB with another one. Now he's complaining about the JB update taking so long, etc. , and he can't wait for his warranty to run out so he can root... lol
Even my friends who mostly go for iPhones where I am (so many of them it's ridiculous) are on average more tech savvy than I usually think, but the people with Android phones more often want to learn about rooting and roming and they come to me for that and I always lead them here. So it isn't just the tech geeks now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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thats the thing... they don't NEED to do anything but provide the hardware and warranty. it doesn't matter to them, as a large corporation, if people mod the phones or not. people will still buy the hardware.
the relatively few of us that want the full support are nowhere near the amount of people that just don't care... which is exactly why (it makes me feel dirty saying it) apple can get away with phones that are nothing more than functioning paperweights compared to what we do with out phones. the masses dictate the sales, not us as a small group (in comparison).
samsung will just come out with a better version of TW to try and get people to not want full support, thats a better business model for them when you think about their users as a whole.
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
Lucke said:
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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I would say its "Marketing 101", and the term you might be looking for is Niche Market.
Wikipedia said:
A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing. So the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
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Doesn't matter which business model they follow, it isn't hard to publish documentation. We aren't asking them to dev for us, just release the damn information so our devs can do what they do easier and better!
Clay
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I started a thread on the horrible MIUI forums to make XIaomi aware of how important it is for all of us that they release the kernel source. Bump it and come with input if you want to help:
http://en.miui.com/thread-273322-1-1.html
Good luck you will need it. They almost never post it and when they do it is broken or incomplete. That's why developers won't buy their devices.
zelendel said:
Good luck you will need it. They almost never post it and when they do it is broken or incomplete. That's why developers won't buy their devices.
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Custom Rom support for their earlier phones seems pretty good even if kernel source might not be totally complete. I have faith in the great devs and hope that xiaomi at least helps a little!
How quickly does usually OnePlus post their kernels?
tnttrx said:
How quickly does usually OnePlus post their kernels?
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No idea. Most developers won't use their device.
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No idea. Most developers won't use their device.
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why's that?
there are even official CM nightlies:
http://get.cm/?device=onyx
http://get.cm/?device=bacon
and I saw other ROMs also.
if OnePlus 3 comes with rumored specs/price ($301 in China) and kernel is available soon enough, it could be pretty interesting alternative...
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why's that?
there are even official CM nightlies:
http://get.cm/?device=onyx
http://get.cm/?device=bacon
and I saw other ROMs also.
if OnePlus 3 comes with rumored specs/price ($301 in China) and kernel is available soon enough, it could be pretty interesting alternative...
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CM is slowly becoming the os for developing countries. Most roms no longer even use their source for anything.
Also you have to remember you get what you pay for. And every one plus device has had issues. Then add in the fact that they do things that upset people like their sexist ad campaign.
Yes a few roms for it. That comes from people buying the device and brining it up. The main developers for the roms never own them themselves.
You have to remember. Developers don't really care about the price of the device. If it is worth it they will pay for it. I can't blame them. I have paid full price for every device I have ever owned and they were always 700+. Takes a bit of saving. But if it's worth it then it's not a big deal.
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CM is slowly becoming the os for developing countries. Most roms no longer even use their source for anything.
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You mean by the manufacturers or by users? I don't know many besides oneplus that come with cyanogen
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Also you have to remember you get what you pay for. And every one plus device has had issues.
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I didn't buy a N5x because of all the reports about buggy screens, peeling paint and overheating, and its was a $300+ nexus device by LG, besides didn't oneplus fix those issues?
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Yes a few roms for it. That comes from people buying the device and brining it up. The main developers for the roms never own them themselves.
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Well that sucks
zelendel said:
You have to remember. Developers don't really care about the price of the device. If it is worth it they will pay for it. I can't blame them. I have paid full price for every device I have ever owned and they were always 700+. Takes a bit of saving. But if it's worth it then it's not a big deal.
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In many countries import taxes make a $700 phone cost over $2000, and I heard from a dev in brazil that they can't even import cellphones at all which is why apple had to build a factory to make iphones there or else they couldn't access that market, and is a big one
All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
vin_001 said:
Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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No problem!
A petition is for Samsung, a bounty is for hackers.
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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gaww said:
It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school? I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school[emoji23] I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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Understand - good luck.
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Signed, always remaining hopeful!
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Signed. Doubtful, but hopeful. I don't know the rules around it but I feel like setting up a community bounty and seeing who would be willing to chip in might be a bit more effective. I feel like the Snap Note 8 community is pretty sizable to sum up enough of a bounty to attract some capable hackers to put some time in.
Signed I'm sure it won't matter but at least we tried right? Hopefully someone can eventually bust this thing wide open would be a nice phone to do whatever we want on it. MAN why did I go back to the AT&T route instead of international unlocked?
Signed.
Later than sooner, i wont say it's impossible, but for sure damn near. It's about forums and private site's, (US) who will make it possible. I've been programming for a little over 20 years although a different kind, CNC programming. Ive taken apart many phones including the note 8. Making a custom removable back cover is easy but when it comes down to analyzing every part in the phones. G-code was my first programming language to ever learn but 20 years later ive come to understand many languages. I'm just one part of a large group of people, each with a different set of skills. If anyone know's how to read a blueprint or schematics, or have a knowledge of how qualcomm bootloaders work in general on the note 8 specifically. sorry if this not the right place to post, ive been aware of the forum for long, signed up when the s8 came out. I want to contribute, just never have thought saying thing here as i havnt seen anything about custom modifications so the physical parts.
Signed still haven't lost faith
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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So to be clear, a petition shows a desire by the community to change something. Even if you got 10,000 signatures. Thats a small small slice of the pie for Samsung.
Bounties are to give individuals that may have the know how to achieve a goal, some incentive to do so via monetary compensation. I highly doubt a company like samsung or any large publicly traded company would even acknowledge a bounty and Im sure there are some legal rules against doing so. Not to mention they stand to make more money from NOT unlocking the bootloader and compromising knox than they stand to make from a bounty on xda..
If this bootloader is to ever be unlocked it will be by a team of code breakers as it took a team of coders to create this bootloader I'm sure. The bounty has to be a lot higher. Maybe there's a way of hard wiring through the eeprom and recoding the bootloader. I knew someone who did that to recode the mileage on a new odometer without going to the car dealer but I guess that's rookie stuff compared to this.
only a bounty on XDA would even make it ever so slightly possible; some talented folks have tried since day 1 without success..
petition to Samsung? now THATS funny!
They could care less about any sort of petition to make their devices less secure..
Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Wallet is only way to vote unfortunately. Why would they ever unlock this when the note 4 is still locked? Eol phone and they don't unlock it, reason being then you wouldn't buy the new model. This will never happen, I'm sorry.
Note 8 killed my Samsung loyalty. All previous tv's phone etc. Never again.
This phone or HTC U11+? My concerns are great point and shoot camera, LTE connectivity (T-Mobile), and ROM development. Any suggestions or advice is appreciated, thanks all!
Dude, really?
I mean, I'm not trying to flame you for your question, but for clarification, imagine i say this?
What's better, a Ford Fiesta or a Ford Mustang? (Even though in my example both are the same parent company)
Do some research and come back and make me proud!
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Actually, I'm so happy with my choice i come across as a spokesperson, so here it goes, make it easy for you
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Dude, really?
I mean, I'm not trying to flame you for your question, but for clarification, imagine i say this?
What's better, a Ford Fiesta or a Ford Mustang? (Even though in my example both are the same parent company)
Do some research and come back and make me proud!
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Fair, dumping my HTC U11+ and moved to this. Just more going on and I'm enjoying the buttery smooth Rom and connectivity. Then again, a Mustang in the wrong hands.......
Tumpster said:
Fair, dumping my HTC U11+ and moved to this. Just more going on and I'm enjoying the buttery smooth Rom and connectivity. Then again, a Mustang in the wrong hands.......
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Ooppsss lol i took to long replying (see the screenshots?) You replied ten minutes ago and i hadn't even noticed it's awesome dude
culiacanazo said:
Ooppsss lol i took to long replying (see the screenshots?) You replied ten minutes ago and i hadn't even noticed it's awesome dude
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I have BLA-L09, European single sim, with yours have you been able to get VoLTE? I might rebrand to gain this feature as I missed it with the U11+.
And I'll ask a follow up question, would you take this over a Pixel 2 XL?
Tumpster said:
I have BLA-L09, European single sim, with yours have you been able to get VoLTE? I might rebrand to gain this feature as I missed it with the U11+.
And I'll ask a follow up question, would you take this over a Pixel 2 XL?
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I'd never go near the Ultimate Stalking Device. Thought you knew.
culiacanazo said:
I'd never go near the Ultimate Stalking Device. Thought you knew.
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I imagine all phones are stalking us. Huawei has the current spying rep against it but again, all do this, just to what degrees.
Tumpster said:
...Huawei has the current spying rep against it but again, all do this, just to what degrees.
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A rep is something you have earned. Huawei hasn't earned anything as that's unfounded; how convenient! When you factor in Huawei's current might and abilities in contrast to the US counterparts (and I'm not talking Apple (because, as we all know, Samsung is Korean, but I'm thinking more like Qualcomm, at&t, etc (each in its respective covered fields)
Tumpster said:
...I imagine all phones are stalking us...
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Yes, they're all doing it, and it's not gonna go away, but i don't see Huawei losing battle after antitrust violation battle in EU, of course, because Stateside, they're each other's buddies (u.s. government and Google)...
Now that would make concrete evidence against Huawei, too bad THEY DON'T HAVE ANY
culiacanazo said:
A rep is something you have earned. Huawei hasn't earned anything as that's unfounded; how convenient! When you factor in Huawei's current might and abilities in contrast to the US counterparts (and I'm not talking Apple (because, as we all know, Samsung is Korean, but I'm thinking more like Qualcomm, at&t, etc (each in its respective covered fields)
Yes, they're all doing it, and it's not gonna go away, but i don't see Huawei losing battle after antitrust violation battle in EU, of course, because Stateside, they're each other's buddies (u.s. government and Google)...
Now that would make concrete evidence against Huawei, too bad THEY DON'T HAVE ANY
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All fair points, I'm now wondering if it's worth paying to rebrand to the US Mate 10 Pro to gain VoLTE. Hmmmm....
Tumpster said:
All fair points, I'm now wondering if it's worth paying to rebrand to the US Mate 10 Pro to gain VoLTE. Hmmmm....
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I'm not aware of a would be loss
Sent from my Huawei Mate 10 using XDA Labs
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In fact i think you can just play with the build prop instead... Look into it