Back in the days when I owned my Xperia Z3 there was a thread (linked below) that helped users check if their phone was waterproof by using the built in pressure sensor in the hidden menu, if you want to read it in detail then I've linked the thread, but basically once you where in the pressure sensor test you'd slightly compress the phone using your thumb and index finger by pressing on the display and back.
Then: (From OP)
"If all seals are intact the pressure should rise.
Your phone*with intact seals is a closed*system.
If you compress the volume the pressure goes up as a result.
If any of the seals is compromised pressure will not rise."
"Note: pressure will decrease automatically"
So basically my question is, is there any equivalent of this for our Mate 10 Pro, I had a nasty drop recently and I'm concerned it could have potentially compromised a seal or something, and water damage isn't covered in our warranty so I don't want to risk it.
Please no replies about how I just shouldn't use it underwater etc. I often take underwater shots with my Mate 10 Pro.
Any help/replies are really appreciated
Thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
Did u read the thread that you linked?
Simply download sensors app from playstore, open pressure section and check if the pressure rises when you apply force to the device...
Rstment ^m^ said:
Did u read the thread that you linked?
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Clearly or I wouldn't have linked it here, quoted it, or made this post in the first place...
Rstment ^m^ said:
Simply download sensors app from playstore, open pressure section and check if the pressure rises when you apply force to the device...
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A lot of the sensor apps don't actually measure the pressure of the phone they do the air pressure based on your GPS location, it's hard to differentiate the 2 when searching, also I've read that third party apps don't give a accurate reading without root access, that's why I specifically referenced the Xperia thread because that one was accessible through the built in hidden menu from Sony themselves.
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Clearly or I wouldn't have linked it here, quoted it, or made this post in the first place...
A lot of the sensor apps don't actually measure the pressure of the phone they do the air pressure based on your GPS location, it's hard to differentiate the 2 when searching, also I've read that third party apps don't give a accurate reading without root access, that's why I specifically referenced the Xperia thread because that one was accessible through the built in hidden menu from Sony themselves.
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Download "Sensors Test" by EXA Tools, go down to "Pressure", tap the graph, apply pressure and see it go up and down.
ante0 said:
Download "Sensors Test" by EXA Tools, go down to "Pressure", tap the graph, apply pressure and see it go up and down.
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I'll be sure to give it a go later, thanks for your help
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Clearly or I wouldn't have linked it here, quoted it, or made this post in the first place...
A lot of the sensor apps don't actually measure the pressure of the phone they do the air pressure based on your GPS location, it's hard to differentiate the 2 when searching, also I've read that third party apps don't give a accurate reading without root access, that's why I specifically referenced the Xperia thread because that one was accessible through the built in hidden menu from Sony themselves.
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You literally type sensors in the playstore and download the first app - sensors multitool.
Root access isn't required to perform such check. Even the thread you linked clearly states that the function found in the factory test mode is basically a barometer output readout which means any 3rd party app that is able to read sensors data should be fine.
Tho your device might still seem water resistant upon performing this, keep in kind that it only tells you that the seal isn't broken yet.
Meaning even a small splash could reach into the device if the seal is already weakened .
If you have any friends that are in the repair business ( Repairing latest flagships ) ask around, they usually have tools for determinating water resistance of devices after repair.
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Tho your device might still seem water resistant upon performing this, keep in kind that it only tells you that the seal isn't broken yet.
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Yeah I'm definitely aware of this, unfortunately I'm not sure what else I can do.
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If you have any friends that are in the repair business ( Repairing latest flagships ) ask around, they usually have tools for determinating water resistance of devices after repair.
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I'll be sure to ask around, thanks for the advice :good:
Thank you fo the tip. Could someone kindly post a screenshot of what fingers' pressure produce on a graph ? I had my Mate 10 Pro opened at a Huawei Repair center for a screen replacement (OLED oled burn in), and the pressure graph does not show any relevant variation...
Before and after they proceeded with screen (and back cover as they messed up the first time, it was not perfectly glued) replacement, I asked them about IP waterproof/certification, they answered me they take care of this applying a new seal...
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Thank you fo the tip. Could someone kindly post a screenshot of what fingers' pressure produce on a graph ?
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It's worth me mentioning that I still haven't submerged mine in water, the slight spikes in the graph show when I applied pressure.
*If you try this don't press too hard*
Feel like that's worth mentioning lol
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
It's worth me mentioning that I still haven't submerged mine in water, the slight spikes in the graph show when I applied pressure.
*If you try this don't press too hard*
Feel like that's worth mentioning lol
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Here is mine. Pressure seems lower here
https://i.imgur.com/2DCUtao.jpg
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Here is mine. Pressure seems lower here
https://i.imgur.com/2DCUtao.jpg
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When you apply pressure/squeeze what does your number increase to? Mine goes from 1015.1 to 1016.3 briefly
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When you apply pressure/squeeze what does your number increase to? Mine goes from 1015.1 to 1016.3 briefly
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Yes, but not by much.
From 1003.5 to 1004.0, this was using a lot of pressure.
If I use "normal" it only goes up by 0.2
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Yes, but not by much.
From 1003.5 to 1004.0, this was using a lot of pressure.
If I use "normal" it only goes up by 0.2
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If yours is 1003 and mines 1015 and you know that yours is waterproof then I can only assume mine isn't right?, If you get a moment could you take out the SIM card tray and see what the number changes to? Because with the SIM tray out, then the phone obviously isn't water tight.
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If yours is 1003 and mines 1015 and you know that yours is waterproof then I can only assume mine isn't right?, If you get a moment could you take out the SIM card tray and see what the number changes to? Because with the SIM tray out, then the phone obviously isn't water tight.
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When removing sim pressure does nothing. It stays at 1003
But I guess, if yours was broken it wouldnt react to pressure either.
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When removing sim pressure does nothing. It stays at 1003
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Are you sure that yours is waterproof, I'm not saying try it but are you confident that it is, i.e have you submerged it in water recently?
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Are you sure that yours is waterproof, I'm not saying try it but are you confident that it is, i.e have you submerged it in water recently?
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I have never done that. But I haven't dropped it either... So I can't say for sure it is waterproof.
But I can compare to my Mate 9 which has been dropped a few times, not by high heights but anyway.
Edit: Removing case from mate 10 pro increased pressure rating to 1004. But it's exactly the same on my Mate 9. I guess altitude counts in too?
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I have never done that. But I haven't dropped it either... So I can't say for sure it is waterproof.
But I can compare to my Mate 9 which has been dropped a few times, not by high heights but anyway.
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I'm not too knowledgeable on the whole subject which makes things worse, hence the thread lol, I don't know why yours is 1003 and mine is 1015, if my phone wasn't water tight wouldn't the number be lower that yours which is water tight? A third persons results could be useful though to see what they got
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I'm not too knowledgeable on the whole subject which makes things worse, hence the thread lol, I don't know why yours is 1003 and mine is 1015, if my phone wasn't water tight wouldn't the number be lower that yours which is water tight? A third persons results could be useful though to see what they got
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I guess it would need to count in air pressure too...
I'm trying to find SOMETHING on this subject, but most topics are about already broken seals...
But as you wrote in OP, the seal should be intact if pressure goes up when you put pressure on the display. Which it does for both of us.
Right now it's 1009 hPa here in the air, 42m above sea level. I will check again tomorrow and see if 1004 increases or not
Edit: And checking the posts in the thread you linked in OP, all of them have varying "start" hPa.
Edit 2: at 1004,7 now
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Right now it's 1009 hPa here in the air, 42m above sea level.
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Where I am it's 1019 hPa and 30m above sea level.
The information around this subject seems to be scarce, hopefully someone who knows a bit more will check out the thread and have a different insight.
Mine is 987,7 hPa (altitude 215m)
When i press, it goes 988, 2 hPa
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I search and don't see anyone else complaining...
But my P500h is new and the battery is tight and I'm continuing to have "adventure" I don't want to have when removing it.
Originally I tried a thin blade screwdriver in the holes to left and right of battery to pry the battery up. But plastic was getting chewed and at one point I had a SPARK ! LOL.
So I wrapped electrical tape around battery to help pull it out but it threatens to break the tape with the force needed.
So now I use my screwdriver carefully just under the SDCard and it works but I worry about slipping and messing something up.
So am I alone with this problem ? Any good way to "grease" the battery, but not too much ?
Thanks !
No problem as such. I press hard with my nail near sdcard (bottom) downword I see there's a slit on battery at that place. Press down and pull up.
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No problem as such. I press hard with my nail near sdcard (bottom) downword I see there's a slit on battery at that place. Press down and pull up.
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Thanks 4silvertooth; I seem to recognise your username.
My SDCard is at the top to left of the camera when looking from the back with Android buttons down and headphone jack up.
I don't see any slits on the battery, just a tiny ledge at the top that I guess my screwdriver catches on. But sooner or later I will wear that off.
I just removed the tape, and it might be a bit easier to remove now, although there is some dangerous battery metal showing.
Perhaps I could wrap the battery with something stronger than electrical tape... Like those fabric like things used to pop AA etc batteries out of devices.
Well, huh... Are you sure you have the right battery inserted the right way? Because, there should not be any trouble getting it out at all. Let alone screwdrivers or anything like that needed. Goes out pretty easily with a fingernail.
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Well, huh... Are you sure you have the right battery inserted the right way? Because, there should not be any trouble getting it out at all. Let alone screwdrivers or anything like that needed. Goes out pretty easily with a fingernail.
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It's the battery I got with the phone, and that the sales dude installed for me, and the phone works, so yes.
I get the impression my Canadian Telus P500h (Note the 'h') is different than the P500 most of you have.
This is the phone with battery installed. To the left is the phone top, and the thin blade screwdriver is over the SDCard and pointing to where I am prying the battery out. The pens at top and bottom of the pic are where I originally pried and now have broken plastic and some semi-exposed battery metal. At top of the pic (right of the phone) is where I got the sparks.
http://img20.imageshack.us/i/img20110529053155.jpg/
This is the phone with battery removed and on it's side.
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/img20110529053318.jpg/
So I'm guessing from your descriptions of how easy it is, that there must be one or more things different on my phone.
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I get the impression my Canadian Telus P500h (Note the 'h') is different than the P500 most of you have.
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Looks pretty much the same except for the red piece of nonsense right below the SD card which is causing all this. Stupid design.
doktornotor said:
Looks pretty much the same except for the red piece of nonsense right below the SD card which is causing all this. Stupid design.
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You think ? It's an integral part of the back body and can't be removed without breaking stuff. Right now I can't even tell if it's the up and down or left and right that are most tight. Maybe both.
And even if it was removed, the battery has no slot at the end for a fingernail. Just a slight indentation over most of the end. With the force I need to remove the battery, I think lots of people would break their fingernail.
I've just marked this down as one of the engineering shortcuts that LG made to make a phone like this for $200. Having to pull that stupid battery out every SIM change or new ROM boot freeze is getting old fast.
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You think ? It's an integral part of the back body and can't be removed without breaking stuff. Right now I can't even tell if it's the up and down or left and right that are most tight. Maybe both.
And even if it was removed, the battery has no slot at the end for a fingernail. Just a slight indentation over most of the end. With the force I need to remove the battery, I think lots of people would break their fingernail.
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Actually, now that I opened the phone - it is exactly the same, it is just that your photo has some weird shade so the red nonsense looks like it is lifted up to the battery edge. So, not really getting what it your problem except perhaps for being clumsy.
well my battery not giving any such trouble. We have different disign here I think that's why the trouble.
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well my battery not giving any such trouble. We have different disign here I think that's why the trouble.
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I blew up your pic and it's hard to see, but I think I see a fingernail slot in your battery by the SDCard. Mine has no slot, just a very subtle indentation.
And my battery makes a very clear SNAP sound when I push it in. Perhaps my battery is slightly different and a bit larger than P500 batteries.
My battery part # is LGIP-400N . It also says 1500 mAh 5.6 Wh 3.7v
and at bottom it says:
(T)SBPL0102301 LLL DC101203
Even your camera says 3.2 mine it says 3.0 so anybody with same specification would be helpfully.
The battery details are exact identical to mine.
So P500h is slightly different from P500.
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OMG!!!
Stop doing this, bro! You are raping your battery!!! Seriously, this stuff is fragile! God...
I have a p500h, just like yours (3.2mp camera) and all you have to do is put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you.
Please tell me this is a joke! Damn... now I'll have nightmares because of those photos.
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OMG!!!
Stop doing this, bro! You are raping your battery!!! Seriously, this stuff is fragile! God...
I have a p500h, just like yours (3.2mp camera) and all you have to do is put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you.
Please tell me this is a joke! Damn... now I'll have nightmares because of those photos.
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Just because it's easy for you doesn't make me an idiot.
No I'm afraid this is not a joke. And I've been working "seriously" with electronics/computer since I was a teen in the mid 1970's building everything from a vacuum tube transmitter to micros with the first generation of micros: SCMP, 8080...
And I've rebuilt automotive turbochargers and transmissions so I'm no mechanical klutz either.
Yes I know this is slowly wrecking the battery which I why I posted. In primary school I was the "smart kid" who was the only one to question something weird or incomplete the teacher said because everyone else didn't want to look "dumb" by asking. Same here.
My personal history aside I do exactly what you say: "put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you."
It doesn't work on my phone. The battery doesn't move down that I can notice. When I try to pull it towards me it just won't budge and threatens to break my fingernail.
I note that there are two little tabs at the bottom. These seem to require the bottom to be placed first, then the top gets pushed in last. That's when I get a loud SNAP. I think whatever is making this SNAP is also what makes it so hard to remove the battery. The same SNAP was also made by the sales dude in the store when he installed the battery and I'm sure he does that hundreds of times a week.
The instructions in the manual are quite bad, IMO. They didn't even mention all the little film things that should be removed. Perhaps there is something else that needs to be removed that the manual didn't mention or that I overlooked. Just stabs in the dark here now.
Well, PEBKAC case excluded, since noone apparently has similar problem, then either your phone is faulty or the battery is faulty. This simply is not normal, there is absolutely no need to use screwdrivers and excessive force to do this.
Would suggest to RMA the thing.
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Just because it's easy for you doesn't make me an idiot.
No I'm afraid this is not a joke. And I've been working "seriously" with electronics/computer since I was a teen in the mid 1970's building everything from a vacuum tube transmitter to micros with the first generation of micros: SCMP, 8080...
And I've rebuilt automotive turbochargers and transmissions so I'm no mechanical klutz either.
Yes I know this is slowly wrecking the battery which I why I posted. In primary school I was the "smart kid" who was the only one to question something weird or incomplete the teacher said because everyone else didn't want to look "dumb" by asking. Same here.
My personal history aside I do exactly what you say: "put you finger on the spot right below the SD Card, push your battery downwards then pull it towards you."
It doesn't work on my phone. The battery doesn't move down that I can notice. When I try to pull it towards me it just won't budge and threatens to break my fingernail.
I note that there are two little tabs at the bottom. These seem to require the bottom to be placed first, then the top gets pushed in last. That's when I get a loud SNAP. I think whatever is making this SNAP is also what makes it so hard to remove the battery. The same SNAP was also made by the sales dude in the store when he installed the battery and I'm sure he does that hundreds of times a week.
The instructions in the manual are quite bad, IMO. They didn't even mention all the little film things that should be removed. Perhaps there is something else that needs to be removed that the manual didn't mention or that I overlooked. Just stabs in the dark here now.
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Well, I did not called you an idiot but your words and your need to show your electronic and mechanic knowledge tells me you felt I did so I'm sorry if my words offended you in any way, that was not my intent.
Maybe doktornotor is right and you should RMA your phone.
Best of luck!
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Well, I did not called you an idiot but your words and your need to show your electronic and mechanic knowledge tells me you felt I did so I'm sorry if my words offended you in any way, that was not my intent.
Maybe doktornotor is right and you should RMA your phone.
Best of luck!
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No problem. No you didn't. Just wanted to clarify my capabilities/knowledge.
>Well, PEBKAC case excluded, since noone apparently has similar problem, then either your phone is faulty or the battery is faulty. This simply is not normal, there is absolutely no need to use screwdrivers and excessive force to do this.
Yes doktornotor, I suspect you are right. I suspect it might have been a bad or out of tolerance phone/battery or perhaps excessive temps or humidity or whatever during storage and shipping.
I returned another phone to get this and they already told me I can't return this one, LOL. As defective I'm sure I could, although I'd bet they'd give me a very hard time, especially considering the damage to the battery now..
Well i never doubt your capabilities u are the one who made spirit fm. And have been followimg u since.
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Yes doktornotor, I suspect you are right. I suspect it might have been a bad or out of tolerance phone/battery or perhaps excessive temps or humidity or whatever during storage and shipping.
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Well, I have seen quite a bunch of phones almost impossible to even open. I recall one Nokia which I felt I will crush completely trying to remove the back cover. Tremendous force required. So trust me when I am saying that this one is about the most easy one to remove the back cover and the battery.
If it really bothers you since you are changing SIM cards frequently, would suggest going to some shop and test with another battery or two. If it is the battery, those are relatively cheap to get a replacement. If it is the phone, well... your screwdriver-scratched battery has nothing to do with that defect so you should not have any trouble trying to RMA it.
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Well, I have seen quite a bunch of phones almost impossible to even open. I recall one Nokia which I felt I will crush completely trying to remove the back cover. Tremendous force required. So trust me when I am saying that this one is about the most easy one to remove the back cover and the battery.
If it really bothers you since you are changing SIM cards frequently, would suggest going to some shop and test with another battery or two. If it is the battery, those are relatively cheap to get a replacement. If it is the phone, well... your screwdriver-scratched battery has nothing to do with that defect so you should not have any trouble trying to RMA it.
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Yes, some good ideas.
SIMs are not the major issue. Trying ROMs that result in boot freezes are the main reason to keep popping the battery.
I wish there was a hidden hardware reset switch on these phones somewhere.
Heck, it wouldn't be hard for the designers to make such a feature that triggered by holding power, or some combinations down for 10+ seconds.
I'd buy a replacement battery off eBay for cheap. At worst you end up with the same situation and a spare battery for 5 USD or so (+ VAT or whatever y'all call it). At best you have a better-fitting battery on the cheap.
Long story short, new company doesn't allow cameras in their facilities and I'm having serious Thunderbolt withdrawals.
I was wondering if anybody had ever removed the cameras from their Thunderbolt and the phone still worked after the "surgery."
If you did, is there a specific procedure you would follow? I found this online: http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...=47&tag=siu-container;photopaging#photopaging
But that guy is actually just tearing the phone apart. Is there a way to get to just the cameras without pulling the whole phone apart?
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Go take a look at the FCC approval photos Adrynalyn posted... Not only will you be taking the phone apart, you'll be taking it apart to the BONE. I'm also pretty confident you'd destroy the phone in the process.
Curious... why would you even tell someone you've got the thing or show that it's got cameras on it, knowing the policy?
Jmc: I guarantee you're absolutely incorrect. There are many people who work in high security companies. There has to be at least one person who has done this.
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Go take a look at the FCC approval photos Adrynalyn posted... Not only will you be taking the phone apart, you'll be taking it apart to the BONE. I'm also pretty confident you'd destroy the phone in the process.
Curious... why would you even tell someone you've got the thing or show that it's got cameras on it, knowing the policy?
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Why do you think I would destroy the phone?
As for your other question, sometimes security will sweep the entire building/staff, just in case. In those instances, if you're caught with a cameraphone, you're getting fired.
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infinite012 said:
Why do you think I would destroy the phone?
As for your other question, sometimes security will sweep the entire building/staff, just in case. In those instances, if you're caught with a cameraphone, you're getting fired.
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I think you'd destroy the phone because that camera isn't just a simple surface mount device like the power or volume micro-switches. It's an entire 8MP camera in a VERY tiny box. To kinda give you an idea how those things are mass produced, a solder paste is applied sort of like one might silk screen a shirt. Then the individual components are placed in their correct locations. Finally, the entire thing is baked in an oven to melt the soldier paste and adhere the components. If you want to see what I'm talking about, go to Qualcomm's website and look at the physical interface for the Snapdragon chip. Assuming the cameras is mounted in a remotely similar way, you're going to destroy the device removing them. Additionally, the FFC also functions as both a brightness and proximity sensor. Removing it would have consequences that would be difficult to predict.
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Long story short, new company doesn't allow cameras in their facilities and I'm having serious Thunderbolt withdrawals.
I was wondering if anybody had ever removed the cameras from their Thunderbolt and the phone still worked after the "surgery."
If you did, is there a specific procedure you would follow? I found this online: http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...=47&tag=siu-container;photopaging#photopaging
But that guy is actually just tearing the phone apart. Is there a way to get to just the cameras without pulling the whole phone apart?
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Would filling over it with some sort of hard/opaque/sticky/permanent adhesive substance suffice? Something like putting epoxy or something over the lens so it renders it no longer useful.
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Would filling over it with some sort of hard/opaque/sticky/permanent adhesive substance suffice? Something like putting epoxy or something over the lens so it renders it no longer useful.
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That might work for the rear camera, but the FFC needs to function correctly to control screen brightness and proximity.
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That might work for the rear camera, but the FFC needs to function correctly to control screen brightness and proximity.
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I dont know about that. Very few android phones have a front facing camera and they function just fine. Besides you can manually adjust brightness. The proximity sensor also has nothing to do with the camera. It's located under the speaker for receiving calls near the LED.
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I dont know about that. Very few android phones have a front facing camera and they function just fine. Besides you can manually adjust brightness. The proximity sensor also has nothing to do with the camera. It's located under the speaker for receiving calls near the LED.
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I was wrong. You're right about the prox sensor. Still, the devices that lack the FFC use a light sensor instead. I'd go nuts trying to adjust the screen all the time. If it were completely removed, there's still no promise the screen would even light up.
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I was wrong. You're right about the prox sensor. Still, the devices that lack the FFC use a light sensor instead. I'd go nuts trying to adjust the screen all the time. If it were completely removed, there's still no promise the screen would even light up.
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Yeah that would be a pain, lol, but maybe he's desperate enough he doesn't care. He would obviously be addicted to his phone way more than I would be if so
yareally said:
Yeah that would be a pain, lol, but maybe he's desperate enough he doesn't care. He would obviously be addicted to his phone way more than I would be if so
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Well, it's stuff like this that's the reason RIM still builds their top tier BlackBerrys with and without cameras.
Maybe this is too simple but how about just leave your phone in your car?
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Just a suggestion to the OP, there's been others that have asked the same question before. Might try looking through those http://www.google.com/search?client...ndroid+phone&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 for different solutions.
Yeah, I've been doing that (leaving phone in car), but I'm getting bored of the playlists on my ipod and would like to spice it up with Pandora.
Also, I would like to be able to receive emergency calls/texts from my family.
I have searched Google, which is how I got that first link with the teardown. If you guys think it's unwise to take out the cameras after looking at that, please say so. If you're making assumptions about the necessity of the cameras, take a look at the link.
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Yeah, I've been doing that (leaving phone in car), but I'm getting bored of the playlists on my ipod and would like to spice it up with Pandora.
Also, I would like to be able to receive emergency calls/texts from my family.
I have searched Google, which is how I got that first link with the teardown. If you guys think it's unwise to take out the cameras after looking at that, please say so. If you're making assumptions about the necessity of the cameras, take a look at the link.
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Functionality aside, simply how that big one on the rear is mounted would dissuade me.
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Yeah, I've been doing that (leaving phone in car), but I'm getting bored of the playlists on my ipod and would like to spice it up with Pandora.
Also, I would like to be able to receive emergency calls/texts from my family.
I have searched Google, which is how I got that first link with the teardown. If you guys think it's unwise to take out the cameras after looking at that, please say so. If you're making assumptions about the necessity of the cameras, take a look at the link.
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It's your phone, but I wouldn't mess with it unless I knew what I were doing with it.
Remove the camera apps, you can't take a picture with it if the application to take it has been removed. (i'm sure the company won't believe it, but it is a solution)
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Remove the camera apps, you can't take a picture with it if the application to take it has been removed. (i'm sure the company won't believe it, but it is a solution)
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If only it were that simple. I didn't believe it at first, but people get fired for having camera capable phones even if they don't have a battery in or near the phone. They're really strict on security.
Go to Wal-Mart & get a cheap Go Phone and some mins . If it has a camera , destroy that one .
Hi Everyone,
So I was on holiday with my beloved Ultra, and using it in the pool. Cool thing is, this phone is waterproof! That's what I thought until I got on the plane a few hours later and upon trying to use my phablet the touch screen stopped responding. It seemed to function OK, I just couldn't unlock it or use it as there was some kind of hyperactive spectre flying around inside making it seem like the touchscreen was possessed. I looked a little closer, and not only was there condensation visible in both camera lenses, but upon opening the usb cover there was also moisture inside there. I opened the other side, and the moisture indicator was still white, so I think the problem was specifically with the usb port cover.
Anyway, it's not covered under any kind of warranty as I bought it overseas, and I have taken it to a repair shop who confirmed that it's water damaged and that they would need to fix the damaged USB port and replace the screen to make it work again. I just want to buy a new one as it would be cheaper than getting it fixed, but I have some data/apps on the old one I don't want to lose. Any suggestions on the best approach? If the shop can read the eMMC and back it up, could I use that to restore data/apps onto a new phone, or am I better off just getting it fixed...
Advice/opinions appreciated.
it's a marketing trick. they are not actually waterproof.
I guess this guy's luck was bad. Mine had contact with water a couple of times and thankfully it lived upto its waterproofness promise
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tsiros said:
it's a marketing trick. they are not actually waterproof.
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This is a stupid reply. I brought it with me in the pool with my kids, made photos and videos underwater (touch block + volume rocker), no problems at all.
Same goes with my wife's Z.
Of course, if you go swimming with the USB flap open, well, you're an idiot. (Not that I accuse OP of being one, just that 80% of the time when I saw someone with a faulty phone/laptop/tablet it was not working because of THEM).
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Hopefully someone replies with some advice that is actually helpful... FYI I have used it in the pool (and had it underwater) multiple times before without problems. I always make sure the seals are sitting properly when I close them so I am doubtful it was user error...
The usb port is fully brpken?
I think it's corroded, but definitey doesn't work.
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I think it's corroded, but definitey doesn't work.
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without usb and screen it will be difficult for you to get data off yourself.
fastest83 said:
This is a stupid reply. I brought it with me in the pool with my kids, made photos and videos underwater (touch block + volume rocker), no problems at all.
Same goes with my wife's Z.
Of course, if you go swimming with the USB flap open, well, you're an idiot. (Not that I accuse OP of being one, just that 80% of the time when I saw someone with a faulty phone/laptop/tablet it was not working because of THEM).
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good for you, you were lucky. on the xperia forums and on here, there are many MANY people who had their phones damaged from water. Are ALL of them at fault?
however, call sony and ask them (i did):
1) what *guarantee* is there that with the flaps closed the phone will not receive water damage? they will answer none. There is no case where the warranty will cover water damage. Whether it's your fault or the phone's fault, it is irrelevant to sony. they will NOT cover it.
2) what happens if, after *normal use*... notice this: *normal use*, NOT abuse, the flaps lose their sealing ability? Does the warranty cover it? No. Warranty does NOT cover "normal use wear". Which means the flaps WILL lose their sealing ability and you end up with a non-waterproof phone. How soon? NOONE KNOWS because there is no way to actually TEST it, at least not as a USER. You MIGHT be able to have it tested at sony... but that would mean testing it every. single. time. you close any of the flaps...
your phone, at any given point, MAY or MAY NOT be waterproof. However, since you have no way to test it, it means that you CAN NOT TRUST it to be waterproof, which is, of course, means you have to treat it as NOT waterproof.
which, in the end, means the phone is not waterproof.
as a sidenote, keep any and all profanities to yourself
Blah blah. The phone is waterproof. No need to be all technical and stuff. Can it be used in water for a certain period of time? Yes.
Your post reminds me of when ships were first being built. If a boat ends up sinking from wear and tear does that mean it wasn't a floating device? Also wear and tear....that's why we check our cars at a set time for periodic maintenance because of wear and tear.
I got lax with mine and took it in the shower and got water in it, USB flap is worn. Not the companies, because I didn't take the necessary steps to make sure my phone was periodically maintained.
Just my 2 cents...
I got some dust particles on the inside of the lens which really annoys me. Due to this the camera does not focus correctly.
I really want to keep the phone waterproof so i am afraid to take it apart to clean it. Anyone experience similar issues or even swapped the backcover? Any recommendations for a backcover that ensures waterproof ability after swapping it?
thanks!
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I got some dust particles on the inside of the lens which really annoys me. Due to this the camera does not focus correctly.
I really want to keep the phone waterproof so i am afraid to take it apart to clean it. Anyone experience similar issues or even swapped the backcover? Any recommendations for a backcover that ensures waterproof ability after swapping it?
thanks!
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If you're getting dust under the lens you're obviously not water tight. I have ordered a replacement back and it cracked just picking it up. I don't know how fragile the original is but I'd be very careful while removing it. New seals can be bought for a few bucks.
not sure where this came from - the body is 100% waterproof...maybe "dust" particle is not the correct explanation
maybe is scratch dots from keys in you pocket?
it abit look like dust...
i mixed my pockets by mistake and left few dots maybe u did it lots of times.. ( i know the lens is plastic and not scratch resistance ) so i try to avoid keys in the same pocket
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maybe is scratch dots from keys in you pocket?
it abit look like dust...
i mixed my pockets by mistake and left few dots maybe u did it lots of times.. ( i know the lens is plastic and not scratch resistance ) so i try to avoid keys in the same pocket
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the scratches on the outside of the lens are no problem since the sony coated this and also polishing is working quite well. also i checked this several times with a magnifier.
i have uploaded a picture of the particle that causes the faulty autofocus. at the picture on the right you can see that this is on the inside of the lens.
since the phone is waterproof this is quite clearly a production fault but since i need the phone for my everyday work and life issuing a rma at sony is no option for me.
i was just wondering is someone else experienced anything similar or swapped the backcover and tested waterproof
You can test your waterproofness of your phone to do the pressure test in the service menu.
Go to dialer and dial *#*#service#*#*, go to service test and then pressure sensor. The value indicated on the screen should increase by pressing on your screen when the phone is still waterproof.
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Alcedii said:
You can test your waterproofness of your phone to do the pressure test in the service menu.
Go to dialer and dial *#*#service#*#*, go to service test and then pressure sensor. The value indicated on the screen should increase by pressing on your screen when the phone is still waterproof.
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How much does yours go up? Mine started at 997 millbar and goes up to 1002 millbar max when I started seeing discoloration from pushing the LCD too hard.
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How much does yours go up? Mine started at 997 millbar and goes up to 1002 millbar max when I started seeing discoloration from pushing the LCD too hard.
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that's fine. Mine is also just a few millibar. try it with the simtray flap open. It won't increase a bit.
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the scratches on the outside of the lens are no problem since the sony coated this and also polishing is working quite well. also i checked this several times with a magnifier.
i have uploaded a picture of the particle that causes the faulty autofocus. at the picture on the right you can see that this is on the inside of the lens.
since the phone is waterproof this is quite clearly a production fault but since i need the phone for my everyday work and life issuing a rma at sony is no option for me.
i was just wondering is someone else experienced anything similar or swapped the backcover and tested waterproof
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Hi
I have had the same kind of dust in my XZ5
I sent it back and they have exchanged with a new device.
Manufacturing issue... It could happen
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since sony support couldn't offer me an adequate solution for their manufacturing error I decided to find a solution by myself.
primary most important was for me that i do not open the device.
I got rid of the particle by freezing the phone in the freezer for 20min and tapping on the lens. The particle fell off and now somewhere i do not care about )
if someone has a similar issue this might be also an alternative solution
Same problem here. It supprises me the presition in which this product was conceived with programmed obsolescence. Just after guaranty ended I began to notice blurs and dust.
I suppose gaskets became less performant as they get harder and they can't hold pressure changes anymore, like when you take a plane or enter a tunnel in a train.
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Same problem here. It supprises me the presition in which this product was conceived with programmed obsolescence. Just after guaranty ended I began to notice blurs and dust.
I suppose gaskets became less performant as they get harder and they can't hold pressure changes anymore, like when you take a plane or enter a tunnel in a train.
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I have the same translucent gray dust spots on my rear camera, and tapping and bumping with strenght makes them moving around. Of course this is programmed obsolescence.
Moreover they fill phones with glue and adhesives for "water-proofness" purposes... but after 2 years of daily use, noone sane minded would submerge any phone and if you have the need, you can't easily fix anything inside the phone or change battery if you aren't a technician , because you have to use professional tools to melt glue and move parts.
That's the current world of "water-proof", thin smartphones.
Something must change if we don't want to swim in oceans made of electronic rubbish in the near future.
Hello, I purchased a v30 and would like to use the AOD. However, with all the burn in issues popping up all over the place, I'm a little worried about ruining my display. Does anyone know if the pixels shift to prevent burn in? Is there proof of this, such as a time lapse video or acknowledgement from lg? Thanks
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Hello, I purchased a v30 and would like to use the AOD. However, with all the burn in issues popping up all over the place, I'm a little worried about ruining my display. Does anyone know if the pixels shift to prevent burn in? Is there proof of this, such as a time lapse video or acknowledgement from lg? Thanks
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I don't have the phone myself but from what I understand yes the pixels do shift, try to use the AOD you should see that after a while it will appear slightly in a slightly different position
I had the same worry and was informed that AOD does move throughout the day. I can verify that this is true as I now leave it on with it scheduled to be off 12-5am when I should be asleep. Another tactic I've picked up to help make sure there's no burn in is to place the phone face down when I don't really need to be looking at it. (Such as now while I'm at a computer that will also show my notifications.) The proximity sensor turns off the AOD and it comes on pretty quickly when you pick it up, but not so quickly that you're wondering if it ever did turn off.
AOD does indeed move things around. Nothing seems to stay in the same place.
As for burn-in. I used mine as a sat-nav for 8 hours today and no visible burn-in on the screen.
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I had the same worry and was informed that AOD does move throughout the day. I can verify that this is true as I now leave it on with it scheduled to be off 12-5am when I should be asleep. Another tactic I've picked up to help make sure there's no burn in is to place the phone face down when I don't really need to be looking at it. (Such as now while I'm at a computer that will also show my notifications.) The proximity sensor turns off the AOD and it comes on pretty quickly when you pick it up, but not so quickly that you're wondering if it ever did turn off.
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use something like a piece of paper to cover the proximity sensor when phone is facing up will do the same trick.
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use something like a piece of paper to cover the proximity sensor when phone is facing up will do the same trick.
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I rarely have a piece of paper. Flipping over is always an option and pretty simple.
Hi. I didn't want to post a new thread.
AOD clock never changes position on my phone. Does anyone experince the same thing? It's on 8.0.0, june 1st 2018 and kernel 4.4.78.
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Hi. I didn't want to post a new thread.
AOD clock never changes position on my phone. Does anyone experince the same thing? It's on 8.0.0, june 1st 2018 and kernel 4.4.78.
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I'm on 8.0 August 2018 and 4.4.78 and mine moves. I'm not sure what the dynamics are behind what makes it move (guessing time) but I know that mine does move eventually
How long have you monitored it?
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I'm on 8.0 August 2018 and 4.4.78 and mine moves. I'm not sure what the dynamics are behind what makes it move (guessing time) but I know that mine does move eventually
How long have you monitored it?
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I've carefully placed a piece of paper over the screen to see if the clock moves and it didn't move in 10 minutes. Should I wait longer? I think it's a long time.
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I've carefully placed a piece of paper over the screen to see if the clock moves and it didn't move in 10 minutes. Should I wait longer? I think it's a long time.
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I haven't done any testing but I'm pretty sure mine has taken longer than 10 minutes though I'm not sure how long to say.
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I haven't done any testing but I'm pretty sure mine has taken longer than 10 minutes though I'm not sure how long to say.
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I've waited for 25 minutes and it didn't move. I really want to use this feature but without the risk of burn in.
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I've waited for 25 minutes and it didn't move. I really want to use this feature but without the risk of burn in.
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No one in this forum has had burn in.
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No one in this forum has had burn in.
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Yes but they might have had if the clock stood still. I mean we are talking about hours. I think it will happen eventually.
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Yes but they might have had if the clock stood still. I mean we are talking about hours. I think it will happen eventually.
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My understanding is the pixels move microscopically enough to prevent burn in. You may never see the clock move
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My understanding is the pixels move microscopically enough to prevent burn in. You may never see the clock move
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That makes sense but I've seen people on forums saying that they see the clock moving with their eyes. I don't know whether they are on Nougat or Oreo. I'd be glad if someone tried AOD for 30 minutes and see if the clock moves. I place a piece of paper where the clock ends and it is effective to see the movement or the lack of it.
Don't worry about it. It's also not in max brightness. I own it for a year and the screen is perfect.
I use the digital clock AOD. I notice it shifts between the top and middle of the screen throughout the day. I don't see it moving, but throughout the day I notice it's different positions.
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My understanding is the pixels move microscopically enough to prevent burn in. You may never see the clock move
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Don't worry about it. It's also not in max brightness. I own it for a year and the screen is perfect.
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These are the important points.
Burn-in happens when 1: pixels are at a high brightness and 2: they're holding a static image.
It's a common misconception that burn-in happens because of pixels getting partially "stuck". This doesn't apply to OLED displays; what happens is that each subpixel has a finite lifetime due to their organic elements, and will slowly use up that lifetime while on. Running at design voltage and no PWM (e.g. full brightness) will use that lifetime at almost the fastest rate possible, and images that have both dark and light areas will burn in the worst.
This is why store displays, that tend to be blasting at either 100% brightness or (if whoever set the firmware is particularly stupid) full-bright/outdoors mode with a short sequence of static advertisement screens, can burn up even the most durable OLED screen.
As I understand, AOD is fairly dim even on its "bright" setting. It probably achieves this brightness via both voltage and PWM, so the pixels are both only actually powered part of the time and at much lower than design voltage; even if only one of these is true, that means each subpixel is being run at far below design tolerances, with an increase in lifetime as the voltage decreases/flicker increases.
That, the changing time, and the slight shifting of the image means that it's pretty unlikely that you'll be able to get the clock to burn in within a meaningful timeframe. If you're really worried about it, use the dim setting.
Actually My wife's display had some discoloration issues LG replaced the panel is all good now. Me personally I don't use Always on display I like to save battery even if its two percent. Now my HP Touchpad that I use as a clock has major burn in LOL.