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I started a thread on the horrible MIUI forums to make XIaomi aware of how important it is for all of us that they release the kernel source. Bump it and come with input if you want to help:
http://en.miui.com/thread-273322-1-1.html
Good luck you will need it. They almost never post it and when they do it is broken or incomplete. That's why developers won't buy their devices.
zelendel said:
Good luck you will need it. They almost never post it and when they do it is broken or incomplete. That's why developers won't buy their devices.
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Custom Rom support for their earlier phones seems pretty good even if kernel source might not be totally complete. I have faith in the great devs and hope that xiaomi at least helps a little!
How quickly does usually OnePlus post their kernels?
tnttrx said:
How quickly does usually OnePlus post their kernels?
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No idea. Most developers won't use their device.
zelendel said:
No idea. Most developers won't use their device.
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why's that?
there are even official CM nightlies:
http://get.cm/?device=onyx
http://get.cm/?device=bacon
and I saw other ROMs also.
if OnePlus 3 comes with rumored specs/price ($301 in China) and kernel is available soon enough, it could be pretty interesting alternative...
tnttrx said:
why's that?
there are even official CM nightlies:
http://get.cm/?device=onyx
http://get.cm/?device=bacon
and I saw other ROMs also.
if OnePlus 3 comes with rumored specs/price ($301 in China) and kernel is available soon enough, it could be pretty interesting alternative...
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CM is slowly becoming the os for developing countries. Most roms no longer even use their source for anything.
Also you have to remember you get what you pay for. And every one plus device has had issues. Then add in the fact that they do things that upset people like their sexist ad campaign.
Yes a few roms for it. That comes from people buying the device and brining it up. The main developers for the roms never own them themselves.
You have to remember. Developers don't really care about the price of the device. If it is worth it they will pay for it. I can't blame them. I have paid full price for every device I have ever owned and they were always 700+. Takes a bit of saving. But if it's worth it then it's not a big deal.
zelendel said:
CM is slowly becoming the os for developing countries. Most roms no longer even use their source for anything.
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You mean by the manufacturers or by users? I don't know many besides oneplus that come with cyanogen
zelendel said:
Also you have to remember you get what you pay for. And every one plus device has had issues.
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I didn't buy a N5x because of all the reports about buggy screens, peeling paint and overheating, and its was a $300+ nexus device by LG, besides didn't oneplus fix those issues?
zelendel said:
Yes a few roms for it. That comes from people buying the device and brining it up. The main developers for the roms never own them themselves.
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Well that sucks
zelendel said:
You have to remember. Developers don't really care about the price of the device. If it is worth it they will pay for it. I can't blame them. I have paid full price for every device I have ever owned and they were always 700+. Takes a bit of saving. But if it's worth it then it's not a big deal.
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In many countries import taxes make a $700 phone cost over $2000, and I heard from a dev in brazil that they can't even import cellphones at all which is why apple had to build a factory to make iphones there or else they couldn't access that market, and is a big one
Hola
Many of us I know signed up, most of us did not get in due to limited space. Bottom line there must be a few out there that got it. I am not sure of the so called NDA that was required, but I am hoping some can provide some very high level feedback.
1. Generally stable? Enough at least for usage as your daily driver?
2. How close to stock Android is it? For example, same battery management interface? Onscreen buttons? Minute vibration controls? Camera improvements?
3. Root available? I saw from some pictures issued on the ZTE Chinese forum showing a warning about having rooted device on a Nougat preview.
4. Any noticeable improvements in cellular reception? Actual dBm values would be nice.
It is just to give us a indication that ZTE US is at least not only bringing Nougat to our phones BUT the skinning and functionality and stability is ok.
I'm surprised the firmware itself has not leaked already.
Hello, I have Nougat and can provide some feedback from it.
I'd love to hear as well
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Watch out, people are already complaining on Z Community about what had been said.
According to one of the testers it is still MiFavor. Wow, can't believe I was fooled into thinking they actually cared with their "stock android discussion". Guess I have to flash CM and live with its bugs.
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Watch out, people are already complaining on Z Community about what had been said.
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Where are they complaining? It's not me right?
I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
PiArc said:
I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
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Okay that post is before I came on here, so it's not me at least.
bkores said:
According to one of the testers it is still MiFavor. Wow, can't believe I was fooled into thinking they actually cared with their "stock android discussion". Guess I have to flash CM and live with its bugs.
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The 7.0 ROM has been in works for months. They released an early preview (screenshots) to the Chinese forum months ago -- of course it was still going to be MiFavor. The discussion poll about stock android for R&D was literally only like 2 weeks ago. If people think ANY company can just turn on a dime like that, then they clearly don't understand how companies work or how software is developed at that level.
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I can't even be sure it isn't me. Check out the help and assistance thread.
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I was one of the people complaining and I don't regret it. They're going to cancel this if you all don't shut your mouths unless ruining this for everyone is your thing. In which case, keep it up.
Moderator please close this thread as well.
This is not your thread... Not that anything is really going on in here anyway.
+1 on closing this thread.
Don't complain ZTE doesn't listen to us or play by the rules, when they are reaching and the first thing you do is break trust.
Earn it first, then complain after that.
+1 closing this thread
Why close this thread? This has no real bearing on the ZTE beta. If someone on the test panel screws up, that's on them. It's totally legit to be curious about the new OS. IMO anyway.
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Thread closed. Sorry guys, but if the testers signed an NDA, then there is no point to thus thread. NDAs are legally binding contracts and a breach may invite legal action avainst involved parties... For everyone's sake, lets close this and respect the NDA..
Friends ask you to support the petition
Contents of the petition
Dear Xiaomi, lay out the kernel source with HAL drivers, if you are not going to support this device in updates (I'm talking about android nougat), we feel that we are all from, all already received in nougat, and we are always waiting for you .. I think this statement will help us!
Do not be indifferent to battle
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/xiaomirn4
Guys we should try to do something,
We can not stay without the good support of a fairly robust device.
Even if you are not the owner of a given device, I sincerely ask you to vote.
what difference with it ( https://goo.gl/55rv81 )?
I think we should join and gathering peoples.
i have always wonder... does this online petitions actually works for something? Like if i were Xiaomi i wouldn't care if 500 persons sign a petition when i have sold millions of phones already.
PriPhaze said:
i have always wonder... does this online petitions actually works for something? Like if i were Xiaomi i wouldn't care if 500 persons sign a petition when i have sold millions of phones already.
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It won't, but if the numbers are large enough normally companies will review whatever it is the petition is asking and either compromise (unlikely) or just give an explanation on why is it taking so long.
These are companies too, they have policies not for the public eye so we can't really get what we want all the time.
vyvy said:
what difference with it ( https://goo.gl/55rv81 )?
I think we should join and gathering peoples.
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difference
SnapDragon Variant
MTK Variant
PriPhaze said:
i have always wonder... does this online petitions actually works for something? Like if i were Xiaomi i wouldn't care if 500 persons sign a petition when i have sold millions of phones already.
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At least we have tried..
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difference
SnapDragon Variant
MTK Variant
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ohh thanks for more information.
Signed it, takes about 10 seconds and better than doing nothing or just moaning on forums where Xiaomi won't be looking anyway.
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I don't know if you are informed but in the last weeks there were very bad news about this company:
- LeCloud closes on June 30
- Job cuts in India and in the USA
- Former employees have denounced LeEco and they are creating a new company
- CEO & CFO dismissals
- Arrests for industrial espionage
- Sale of land purchased in the USA
- Allegations of misappropriation
- Missed the deal with Vizio
- Closing of the EcoPass service
Well, what about the future of this company?
Who will supports our devices?
Noone knows I think, it's cheap phone with good specs so people buy it. If you worry maybe buy other brands instead. LeEco is like living on the edge now but they still make new phone I think. Don't worry they not shutdown yet.
Moon75 said:
Noone knows I think, it's cheap phone with good specs so people buy it. If you worry maybe buy other brands instead. LeEco is like living on the edge now but they still make new phone I think. Don't worry they not shutdown yet.
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The situation is worse than you think, trust me.
Seems like they might even not release le max 3 (x850) despite the early image leaks few months ago ?
I heard that they stopped smartphone production.
I read this:
www . gizchina . com/2017/04/27/leeco-still-alive-announces-increased-revenue-q1-2017
i don't know what s your intention in spamming a developers forum with this off topic question again and again ?
I got 2 LeEco phones I am not worry, you can still use the phone whatever happen. They just bought Coolpad too so I don't think it's bad maybe people assume too much.
derulf said:
i don't know what s your intention in spamming a developers forum with this off topic question again and again ?
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It's a thread for discuss about the bad situation of the company and I posted it in a Q&A section, so don't bother me. The double post was an error.
Moon75 said:
I got 2 LeEco phones I am not worry, you can still use the phone whatever happen. They just bought Coolpad too so I don't think it's bad maybe people assume too much.
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I'm worried because everyone is waiting for the new EUI 6 based on Nougat (they released a device in 2017 with Marshmallow!), everyone is waiting for the new hi-end lineup but they seems dead. What are they doing?
doo_Z said:
I'm worried because everyone is waiting for the new EUI 6 based on Nougat (they released a device in 2017 with Marshmallow!), everyone is waiting for the new hi-end lineup but they seems dead. What are they doing?
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Not everyone, what we got for stock Eui Marshallow 21S, 23S, 26S everything work fine. If you like flashing there is also many custom Nougat roms to enjoy . Even with new stock Nougat rom, not much change for the device maybe some cosmetics stuff, looks etc which not really matter for me.
If I like update/new rom I will buy Xiaomi or Google phone not LeEco.
Moon75 said:
Not everyone, what we got for stock Eui Marshallow 21S, 23S, 26S everything work fine. If you like flashing there is also many custom Nougat roms to enjoy . Even with new stock Nougat rom, not much change for the device maybe some cosmetics stuff, looks etc which not really matter for me.
If I like update/new rom I will buy Xiaomi or Google phone not LeEco.
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For every company, update their smartphones is an obligation (security patch and so on) and a demonstration of seriousness. I'm using the Resurrection Remix on my Le Max 2 and Nougat custom ROMs are incomplete just because LeEco still doesn't release Nougat officially.
doo_Z said:
For every company, update their smartphones is an obligation (security patch and so on) and a demonstration of seriousness. I'm using the Resurrection Remix on my Le Max 2 and Nougat custom ROMs are incomplete just because LeEco still doesn't release Nougat officially.
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As I said you can use stock Marshallow roms everything work fine. 6.0,7.1, 8.0 what's the difference? not much
Before I bought the phone I know the situation for the official rom update we might get or not get it. Above all there are more important things in life than smart phone.
Moon75 said:
As I said you can use stock Marshallow roms everything work fine. 6.0,7.1, 8.0 what's the difference? not much
Before I bought the phone I know the situation for the official rom update we might get or not get it. Above all there are more important things in life than smart phone.
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Please, don't make philosophy in a tech forum. Nougat is a too much important upgrade (especially for big smartphones) to be ignored. Why are you defending this company so much? These are the facts and they are not good.
doo_Z said:
Please, don't make philosophy in a tech forum. Nougat is a too much important upgrade (especially for big smartphones) to be ignored. Why are you defending this company so much? These are the facts and they are not good.
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Nobody is complaining we have custom roms that's enough. You can complain to LeEco if you are not happy or sell the phone and be happy.
Moon75 said:
Nobody is complaining we have custom roms that's enough. You can complain to LeEco if you are not happy or sell the phone and be happy.
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Custom ROMs are not official support. Enough with these excuses. This is a forum and I opened this thread to discussing about the bad conduct of LeEco.
doo_Z said:
I'm worried because everyone is waiting for the new EUI 6 based on Nougat (they released a device in 2017 with Marshmallow!), everyone is waiting for the new hi-end lineup but they seems dead. What are they doing?
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no one here is waiting für EUI whatsoever
doo_Z said:
Please, don't make philosophy in a tech forum. Nougat is a too much important upgrade (especially for big smartphones) to be ignored. Why are you defending this company so much? These are the facts and they are not good.
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no one is defending the company - everyone knows what he gets when buying a phone with premium specs for the cost of a entry lvl gimmick
no one buys a phone like this as a dailiy driver w/o the option of buying something else the day after this one is bricked
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Custom ROMs are not official support. Enough with these excuses. This is a forum and I opened this thread to discussing about the bad conduct of LeEco.
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ok, to lift your confusion: the "developer" in "xdadevelopers" stands for "developer" - so yes, if you just want to complain about the leeco company policies, you're definitly in the wrong place
Horsebeatsbishop said:
no one here is waiting für EUI whatsoever
no one is defending the company - everyone knows what he gets when buying a phone with premium specs for the cost of a entry lvl gimmick
no one buys a phone like this as a dailiy driver w/o the option of buying something else the day after this one is bricked
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Well, I'm using Le Max 2 as daily driver and the company must release Nougat or at least the source code to allow the development of Nougat custom ROMs without bugs.
And yes, you are defending the company.
Horsebeatsbishop said:
ok, to lift your confusion: the "developer" in "xdadevelopers" stands for "developer" - so yes, if you just want to complain about the leeco company policies, you're definitly in the wrong place
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It's so difficult to just talk about the situation without polemicize or "fanboying"?
You're being obnoxious... People aren't buying this phone because of the LeEco brand, they're buying the Le Max 2 because it's a $196 phone with unbeatable specs for the price. There's no brand loyalty involved, it could've been from any other random Chinese brand for all I care. TBH, you have to be pretty ****ing stupid to expect any kind of support, either from the online Chinese stores that sell this phone to you at heavily discounted prices, or LeEco, a brand that I never heard of until recently. I already knew that their smartphone division was failing, so as people have been telling you... we bought this phone because of the specs and decent XDA support, I never expected LeEco to provide updates, matter of fact, some of the Le Max 2 variants ship with stock ROMs that have no update function like the American X829 variant.
All of us Snapdragon Note 8 users know it's a long shot, but it's worth the try... Let your voice be heard and Samsung to surrender! Please take a minute to vote, all is appreciated!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-un...m_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
codabrink said:
0% chance of this working. But I'll sign anyway.
You'll probably have better luck with a bootloader unlock bounty.
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Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
vin_001 said:
Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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No problem!
A petition is for Samsung, a bounty is for hackers.
**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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**UPDATE**
We're now over 100 signatures in! Thanks to all who have signed already! If you haven't already, a minute of your time would greatly be appreciated to sign the petition. Thanks to all Note 8 users!
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WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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gaww said:
WOT - we had thousands for locked s7's and totally ignored.
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Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
vin_001 said:
Yeah @gaww I try to be optimistic because everyone's effort is 1 step closer to to end this. But.... we will see
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It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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gaww said:
It is hopeless- that is why I dumped my US model and bought international s7e. I have both s8 port and early oreo ROM on it.
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I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school? I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
vin_001 said:
I would I paid off my phone, but it's too much of a hassle for me to sell it and find a new one. I'm broke and still in school[emoji23] I had an Exynos A5 2016 before this and definitely going for Exynos next time around
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Understand - good luck.
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Signed, always remaining hopeful!
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Signed. Doubtful, but hopeful. I don't know the rules around it but I feel like setting up a community bounty and seeing who would be willing to chip in might be a bit more effective. I feel like the Snap Note 8 community is pretty sizable to sum up enough of a bounty to attract some capable hackers to put some time in.
Signed I'm sure it won't matter but at least we tried right? Hopefully someone can eventually bust this thing wide open would be a nice phone to do whatever we want on it. MAN why did I go back to the AT&T route instead of international unlocked?
Signed.
Later than sooner, i wont say it's impossible, but for sure damn near. It's about forums and private site's, (US) who will make it possible. I've been programming for a little over 20 years although a different kind, CNC programming. Ive taken apart many phones including the note 8. Making a custom removable back cover is easy but when it comes down to analyzing every part in the phones. G-code was my first programming language to ever learn but 20 years later ive come to understand many languages. I'm just one part of a large group of people, each with a different set of skills. If anyone know's how to read a blueprint or schematics, or have a knowledge of how qualcomm bootloaders work in general on the note 8 specifically. sorry if this not the right place to post, ive been aware of the forum for long, signed up when the s8 came out. I want to contribute, just never have thought saying thing here as i havnt seen anything about custom modifications so the physical parts.
Signed still haven't lost faith
vin_001 said:
Thanks for the support, and what's the main difference between a bounty and petition? (On XDA at least?) How will it do us better?
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Okay, a bounty involves donations, which does seem more attractive to Samsung, but I'm not sure how to set up donation links, secure payment, etc.... If someone does and makes a thread, that'll be cool too.
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So to be clear, a petition shows a desire by the community to change something. Even if you got 10,000 signatures. Thats a small small slice of the pie for Samsung.
Bounties are to give individuals that may have the know how to achieve a goal, some incentive to do so via monetary compensation. I highly doubt a company like samsung or any large publicly traded company would even acknowledge a bounty and Im sure there are some legal rules against doing so. Not to mention they stand to make more money from NOT unlocking the bootloader and compromising knox than they stand to make from a bounty on xda..
If this bootloader is to ever be unlocked it will be by a team of code breakers as it took a team of coders to create this bootloader I'm sure. The bounty has to be a lot higher. Maybe there's a way of hard wiring through the eeprom and recoding the bootloader. I knew someone who did that to recode the mileage on a new odometer without going to the car dealer but I guess that's rookie stuff compared to this.
only a bounty on XDA would even make it ever so slightly possible; some talented folks have tried since day 1 without success..
petition to Samsung? now THATS funny!
They could care less about any sort of petition to make their devices less secure..
Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Signed,
I hope that the snapdragon variant does get an unlocked bootloader, but I would be extremely surprised if that ever happened. It is all completely under control of the US carriers as they are the driving force that causes the bootloader to remain locked. I originally had a Canadian SM-N950W and after being annoyed by how I couldn't do what I want with my own hardware that I shelled out a pretty penny for, I recently bought a SM-N950F from Amazon and sold the W. I think that's probably everyone's best way to go. Voting with your wallet is the only way to solve such problems. Although, since there is a large majority of users who have the snapdragon models who don't care to root, I don't see it making a huge difference in the long run.
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Wallet is only way to vote unfortunately. Why would they ever unlock this when the note 4 is still locked? Eol phone and they don't unlock it, reason being then you wouldn't buy the new model. This will never happen, I'm sorry.
Note 8 killed my Samsung loyalty. All previous tv's phone etc. Never again.