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First it was 12/6/11. Then 12/13/11. Now 12/19/11.
I pre-ordered the keyboard dock online, in hope that I would receive it well before my in-store reserve on the Transformer Prime. For how much effort(research, reserve/funding) I've had to do, I really would have liked to have the Prime tablet & Prime dock by the 20th. It looks like that isn't happening. What annoys me most is that Gamestop just keeps changing the dates without notifying. I honestly believe that they knew they had no intentions of honoring the previous release dates. At times I feel like giving up on all of this. For 649.99, I think we deserve some updates as to what to REALLY expect.
I wouldn't be surprised if they push it back again without notification on the 19th. If they do I'll pass on the Prime until I can find it on the shelf with dock. If January comes and I find myself without the Prime & dock I will hold on to my money until another manufacturer who actually wants my money is ready to do business.
Getting sick of all this waiting and BS and lying and horrible tactics from asus... I'm just going to stick with my ipad2 for now.
in 2-3 months better tablets will be out and even the Sony Vita..
Ipad 3, Ipad Mini, Xoom 2, Samsung Note, Acer Prime, and even a 7 inch asus tegra 3 device is suppose to be releasing sometime in the next 3-4 months...
For me all this crap about release dates, defects, no word from asus and retailers just changing the dates on the date its suppose to ship is too much. Asus has provided too little too late IMO.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...day-shoppers/2011/12/09/gIQA4U3SiO_story.html
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I already have an ipad2 as well. I demoed the Prime again yesterday because I was close to the one and only Gamestop(7 miles away) that does reserves in my area. One of the things that impressed me was the Killer whale battery live wallpaper. While scrolling on the home screen I noticed there was noticable lag with the live wallpaper enabled. I even bumped it up to the performance mode. Same lag.....boooo. You'd think a Quad core with a companion core would be able to handle the live wallpaper w/o lag. I guess not.
With all the dates Gamestop has pushed back without notice on the dock and now knowing in advance that I will not be receiving both by the 19th I am seriously second guessing canceling both of my reserves....and with no official word from Asus to keep the retailers in line I find myself looking to the forums for answers......lame.
The more we all sit in disarray the more I find more things I don't like about the Prime & Asus. I've already had a bad experience with their customer service when I owned a G73JH. Now I own a maxed out Alienware M18x with 580M SLI/2960XM with no problems.
Can someone please say something to stop me from throwing in the towel. I really want to hang on but with nothing to go on.....I don't know how long I can manage on my own To make matters worse a Gamestop manager told me that they received word that they will not have enough to go around by the time the 18th/19th comes around and that some will get their tablets in early January. I asked the manager when are they going to notify the people who reserved the Prime, not to expect the tablet until January and the manager said most likely on the 19th.
It's not fair for a retailer to hold on to our money/willingness to do business, knowing in advance that they are not going to honor the release date for whatever reason.
it sucks so bad i want my prime now
You should all throw in the towel so that I can get mine for sure.
Honestly, I think whole "OMG I have to wait X more days to get it" is prety childish. It's a tablet, not a life saving medication. If you have iPad already, I am sure you can wait a little bit more. Besides, if you are getting it from gamestop, and with tablet release on 19th, why would you want a dock earlier?
I am typing this up on iPad 2 right now. I am getting prime as well. If it's delayed few days, so be it. You won't see me on the ledge, with people under screaming DON'T JUMP!
As for laggy screen swipes, it's a common thing with honeycomb. We all know about it. Try any honeycomb tablet and it will be the same. Its a fact that honeycomb will never be as smooth or fluid as iOS. I am not a fan of iOS but I have to give it credit when credit is due. ICS may change that, but again, I think its foolish to dismiss a device because screen transition is few FPS short. Consider other capabilities. For example, I won't be able to pair my ps3 controller and play emulators while connected to a tv in a hotel room with iPad 2. Am I willing to sacrifice some fluidity for it? Absolutely. How about never to deal with atrocity that is iTunes?
Anyway, most people won't care if you get it or not. I would be with them. But if you do not get this device, at least have a good reason not to get it.
In no way am I knocking you, but there is already a thread about GameStop here. I'm guessing you wanted everyone to see your post though, but still. That aside, I have to agree with Meanee that a lot of people are starting to take this a little too personally. This isn't the first and won't be the last product that has a messy launch. Will I be disappointed if I don't get my TFP before Christmas sure, but it is what it is. As far as the dock date being pushed back. It honestly hasn't been. Lets be realistic, they moved the Prime itself to the 19th. You heard of all kinds of delays and possibilities of after Christmas releases, I would think it's a sign of relief that the release date of the dock got moved to the same date as the tablet itself. At this point I understand everyones frustration, but if we haven't realized it, it should be at Asus and really not anyone else. They obviously planned to release their tablet already and ran into unforseen problems. The part that makes it worse is their lack of communication on the matter and pretending as if everything is going ok. We all forget that these retailers purchase this inventory from Asus so they are loosing out just as much as we are.
I agree with cordy, When there is something actually released then we can complain about it. Gamestop has moved there dates, but the last one was right after the Dec 1st announcement and they haven't changed it since. So far every Gamestop store has claimed a Dec 19th release if you pre-ordered early. There are no signs of it being delayed until there systems change from stating the 19th. Like others have said, there customer service SUCKS, but you are the one who pre-ordered from them. I am tired of seeing useless posts about "Will it be delayed, I can't get it for christmas, Has it been delayed, I am mad about what color and the reference to the iPad in every other post". I know it's a crappy situation on not knowing the date of release, because I am pre-ordering it from gamestop as well. Once someone has hard evidence that a particular vendor has delayed something or changed or modified something, we need to stop cluttering up this forum by creating new threads on stuff that is already stated in other threads. There is at least 5 gamestop, newegg, bestbuy, etc... threads on the same things. My rant is over....
So.... I also agree that we deserve actual dates of release from Asus themselves and not third party sites claiming they spoke with Asus. If they are going to delay it, let us know. I might be mad at first, but I rather find out earlier than on the 17th. Gamestop, like every other place, is just following suit from what Asus is telling them. They can't change the launch dates or just sell them once they receive them. It's like every other product out there. It's Asus's fault for doing this, but I rather have a more stable product and wait another couple of weeks since I will have this tablet for a long time. I don't have the cash to always update when the next greatest and latest comes out. So if it comes out this month or next I would be willing to wait. It would be nice to already have it in my hands though.
You all can kick and scream, but I have my reasons, defects, horrible customer service, yet to be an offical release date.
And other better tablets coming out right around the corner. Im sure those that do get the transformer in jan will be happy with it, but im also sure that in a few months you will be regretting it, expecially if the first batch has defects.
I also found an article that says the weak wifi isnt a defect at all but a design flaw. When asus tried to copy the ipad and make the back metal they forgot one major detail.. the plastic apple logo which has the wifi antenna right behind it, the prime is just all metal thus making the wifi signals it can receive very weak compared to the TF101 and any other tablet.
So grown and grunt all you like, I have my reasons why. I wont be cancelling my order, just selling it for profit when it finally does arrive.
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You all can kick and scream, but I have my reasons, defects, horrible customer service, yet to be an offical release date.
And other better tablets coming out right around the corner. Im sure those that do get the transformer in jan will be happy with it, but im also sure that in a few months you will be regretting it, expecially if the first batch has defects.
I also found an article that says the weak wifi isnt a defect at all but a design flaw. When asus tried to copy the ipad and make the back metal they forgot one major detail.. the plastic apple logo which has the wifi antenna right behind it, the prime is just all metal thus making the wifi signals it can receive very weak compared to the TF101 and any other tablet.
So grown and grunt all you like, I have my reasons why. I wont be cancelling my order, just selling it for profit when it finally does arrive.
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Not knocking you do what you have to do. But this article you're referring to, is this someones personal opinion or did they do a teardown of the Prime and actually locate where the antenna is located? After that, Asus might not be as big as Apple but I'm sure their R&D isn't that ignorant to not realize where Apple placed their antenna and why it was placed there. Just saying.
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You all can kick and scream, but I have my reasons, defects, horrible customer service, yet to be an offical release date.
And other better tablets coming out right around the corner. Im sure those that do get the transformer in jan will be happy with it, but im also sure that in a few months you will be regretting it, expecially if the first batch has defects.
I also found an article that says the weak wifi isnt a defect at all but a design flaw. When asus tried to copy the ipad and make the back metal they forgot one major detail.. the plastic apple logo which has the wifi antenna right behind it, the prime is just all metal thus making the wifi signals it can receive very weak compared to the TF101 and any other tablet.
So grown and grunt all you like, I have my reasons why. I wont be cancelling my order, just selling it for profit when it finally does arrive.
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If I get the Prime in January and then another tablet with a higher res screen, a better CPU, a better GPU, and a keyboard dock with everything The TFP dock has arrives in February then I might regret it. However, I don't see that happening. Do you?
I admit though that I am a little worried about the WiFi issue. I would love to see a teardown soon. We definitely need more people with review copies of these things to do some more in-depth testing of the WiFi. Was it just those two devices or have most reviewers just not noticed off and on WiFi problems? Sorry if this is off-topic but this thread was sort of unnecessary to begin with.
jleewong said:
You all can kick and scream, but I have my reasons, defects, horrible customer service, yet to be an offical release date.
And other better tablets coming out right around the corner. Im sure those that do get the transformer in jan will be happy with it, but im also sure that in a few months you will be regretting it, expecially if the first batch has defects.
I also found an article that says the weak wifi isnt a defect at all but a design flaw. When asus tried to copy the ipad and make the back metal they forgot one major detail.. the plastic apple logo which has the wifi antenna right behind it, the prime is just all metal thus making the wifi signals it can receive very weak compared to the TF101 and any other tablet.
So grown and grunt all you like, I have my reasons why. I wont be cancelling my order, just selling it for profit when it finally does arrive.
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Yes I guess that's why the issue was fixed by giving the reviewers a new device... Sounds totally logic to me...
If you don't care for the Prime anymore, just get off here and stop trolling.
jleewong said:
You all can kick and scream, but I have my reasons, defects, horrible customer service, yet to be an offical release date.
And other better tablets coming out right around the corner. Im sure those that do get the transformer in jan will be happy with it, but im also sure that in a few months you will be regretting it, expecially if the first batch has defects.
I also found an article that says the weak wifi isnt a defect at all but a design flaw. When asus tried to copy the ipad and make the back metal they forgot one major detail.. the plastic apple logo which has the wifi antenna right behind it, the prime is just all metal thus making the wifi signals it can receive very weak compared to the TF101 and any other tablet.
So grown and grunt all you like, I have my reasons why. I wont be cancelling my order, just selling it for profit when it finally does arrive.
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Dude you are totally trolling, just buy it and sell it and stop making posts on the forum. this is like the 18th thread that you have trolled in and have been pointed out in for doing so. Go enjoy your iPad2, and wait till like next christmas for the next best thing. It sounds like you will never be happy with anything except the iPad or something that is perfect with NO issues whatsoever that meets your "gaming" needs. So please stay away from the TP thread!!!! Oh and have a nice day
Wow!! Most of you guys are seriously patient without anything to really go on. Hopefully these units will ship problem free on the 19th and I can join the ranks.
skygunner27 said:
Wow!! Most of you guys are seriously patient without anything to really go on. Hopefully these units will ship problem free on the 19th and I can join the ranks.
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Hopefully we europeans get any release "hint" at all...
So I asked for money as my Christmas present in hopes of purchasing the Prime. I have been searching YouTube, Google and this forum as well as a few others trying to gather intel. This is my first post but I have been scoping the threads out for weeks now.
I must say, a lot of wind has been let out of my sails. But honestly I am not surprised by the Wifi issues.
My hope was to snag a 32GB champagne (silver) and a transleeve. After reading all the issues on the first batch I have decided to wait until Bestbuy carries them in store. I have already ordered a clear dry-tech back and screen protector from skinomi.com and hopefully this will help the scratching caused by the transleeve but I am still not sure if I will purchase this sleeve.
I'm just curious how many out there are feeling the same as me? I expected issues with the first shipments so I am not giving up, but just disappointed to see the percentage of problems with other items such as screen pixel issues, colors, gps, etc.
I am very glad that some have invested in the technology early enough for individuals like me (and hopefully others) to hold tight, continue to research and review threads and then once purchased, feel very confident in the unit and accessories purchased. This web forum is very very helpful so thank you all for posting your comments, issues, etc.
Let's just hope Best buy gets the units in the next two weeks.
if you actually look at it there are likely alot of people who are not on xda who have the prime without issues and alot of people on xda with no issues the amount of people with issues is likely very small compared to everyone with a working one
My initial excitement has turned to more nervousness as i await shipment due to this forum. Any future product like this (phone or tablet) i will steer clear of the forums until i actually get the product. I am just glad i ordered through best buy so i can just return it to the store if there are problems. If that happens i will probably not get another one and just not buy a tablet at this point in time.
This is true, most people posting are having issues. I wouldn't do much posting if I had a working on hahaha.
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if you actually look at it there are likely alot of people who are not on xda who have the prime without issues and alot of people on xda with no issues the amount of people with issues is likely very small compared to everyone with a working one
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I ordered mine from BB on the 23rd and after using it for a bit, I really like it. Mine had none of the issues that were reported so that's good. The only thing now is that there's a lot of lag, and probably because the 5th core is clocked pretty low but once we get some development going, the Prime's gonna be great.
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I agree with the others. You've' done your research and you are prepared, but keep in mind you dont hear much from people without probems. For example, I have not even read the wifi threads because I don have a wifi problem.None-my wifi is perfectly fine. My gps is screwy but I just cant imagine a scenario whee Asus doesnt provide a solution for this.
I dont have a scratch on mine, as matter of fact there is not even a single finger print on mine. Ive left it in the plastic wrap/sleeve it came in until I find suitable case. But, its like a new car - its just matter of when, cuz it's bound to happen.
Try not to worry, you've done your homework, you know the product. Enjoy
I was a little worried like you, especially since I have myself convinced that I get a lot of lemon products.
I agree that there are likely far more satisfied Prime owners than the dissatisfied ones on xda.
I received mine today, and I must say, I am quite happy. Everything is fine. Screen's good, body is great, wifi's working fine, GPS locked on right away, and within 5 meters at that. Now, Honeycomb still has its hiccups, but that's another story, and it's not enough to bother me at the moment.
If you'll excuse me, I'm going back to my baby... =]
this is just like the news. they always reporting mostly bad stuff going on. hardly report good things. but we all know more good goes on in the world than bad stuff. its just the negative things that get the most attention. like others, I'm glad ididnt let the negative hype get to me or I would've never bought this tablet. I'm so glad I did. its the Best tablet yet.
I have a Prime with no issues. It's fast, intuitive, fun and I love it. It is my first tablet and first exposure to android, so I realize that I don't have anything to compare it to. I don't have the GPS or wifi issue, I have no light bleed, my browser is fluid and I have not run into any apps that are not compatable. It feels great in my hands - not slippery and my enclosure seems well sealed.
That said, I haven't wanted to get on here and rave about my good fortune when others are experiencing such disappointment. But I do want to make the point that when Asus gets the product right, it's a beautiful tablet that looks & feels amazing and works as designed. $500 is a difficult chunk to spend, even in good times; in my case, it was worth every penny. I wish that was so for everyone because truly, it is hard to enjoy something when you feel like the lucky exception.
I totally understand the hesitation and disappointment, but I just wanted to put it out there (for those still on the fence) that in some cases, (or I should say in MY case) it really is the tablet I was so wrapped up in anticipation of.
In hindsight, I was so petrified and worried that the tablet was going to be riddled with problems, that it has taken me a few days to really let go of the worry and allow myself to enjoy it.
mines perfect. woot!
I'm in the same boat as you, I saw this thing and was all "oh my, why hello there, dream tablet",
but as launch date for the Netherlands neared, the heaps upon heaps of complaints from the US started piling up.
Dodgy Wifi, dead GPS, flaky batterysensors, bleeding screens, vibrator motors coming loose,
all this really got my hairs up and now im on the verge of just giving up.
Ive already taken a bite from a big s*tsandwich a couple years ago by buying into one of the tablet predecessors, the UMPC,
and im afraid im going to be forking out my Christmas funds on a big ol' sour lemon.. again!
I dont want my first tablet to be a harrowing experience of failing hardware and non caring support.
Im a big fan of Asus and id blindly buy any motherboard from these fellas,
but this tablet and the nasty aura its starting to show...
meeeeh I dunno people.. what do we do now?
I would think waiting and buying it locally - where you can return it in a quick trip - might feel more like the ability to "undo" than buying it online.
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I agree with the others. You've' done your research and you are prepared, but keep in mind you dont hear much from people without probems. For example, I have not even read the wifi threads because I don have a wifi problem.None-my wifi is perfectly fine. My gps is screwy but I just cant imagine a scenario whee Asus doesnt provide a solution for this.
I dont have a scratch on mine, as matter of fact there is not even a single finger print on mine. Ive left it in the plastic wrap/sleeve it came in until I find suitable case. But, its like a new car - its just matter of when, cuz it's bound to happen.
Try not to worry, you've done your homework, you know the product. Enjoy
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Thanks for the comments! I am feeling more comfortable with my soon to be purchase. I might order the 32gb Champagne online from BB if it ever comes available, but I would prefer to get it from the store so I don't have to pay a restocking fee if exchanged.
Its more of the quick exchange without hassle I am looking for. If I have issues with it I would take it to BB and exchange it, but if I order it online and take it to the store which doesn't have any I am out of luck on getting an exchange.
Despite the Herculean efforts of the developers to bring the NT up to the standards of a real Android tablet, I grew frustrated by the amount of time and effort I had to spend tweaking and coaxing mine just to get it to work reliably. After a post on the Barnes and Noble forums from a B&N person who essentially said the official position was not going to change and that securing the Nooks is the company position from here forward, I decided I did not want to forever swim upstream.
I returned the NT and bought a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus. For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
I'm not giving up-- we're finally getting somewhere (and i don't have a extra $100 for something nicer to begin with).
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Got a link to that B& N post?
Nexus S 4G 4.0.3
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/t5/NOOK-Tablet-General-Discussion/Regarding-1-4-1/td-p/1256101
Its funny to me on the forum at B&N the way people complain, B&N is a corporation, very rarely do they listen to their consumers. I think its funny that people think their voice will be heard and a difference will be made. It takes a much larger group then the one behind the nooks to get results. Which is why the XDA forum is awesome, because we are all behind this device and we all care and can make a difference.
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I left a message there and you would have thought I kicked a puppy. Man those people over there are sure sensitive to bad talk about their nooks.
I'm very close to doing the same thing. It's only a $100 difference and I don't see any other downside.
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I just returned mine. Didn't get the BN club membership back but that's a small price for the learning experience. I now have a better idea of what I want in a tablet and that's definitely not the closed garden approach that BN has taken.
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For my extra $100, I get the two cameras, Bluetooth, built-in intelligent remote, and, most importantly, Android Market and Amazon, with no threat of it being hobbled. Its UI is really nice; I feel no need to root it. It's fast and has a great screen.
Thanks again to the devs. Smell ya later!
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I paid $268.30 including tax at my local B&N for my NT.
The Gtab 7+ is $349 w/free shipping & no tax.
The difference for me will only be $80.70
I will get Honeycomb out of the box w/ICS scheduled to come out in a few months.
And I'm assuming more apps will be available in the Android Market as this tablet has been "Blessed" by Google to have the Market officially installed.
Don't forget the option of HDMI-out w/dongle.
And garyd9 over in the +'s forum is doing some great things developing for that platform as well.
Very hard to pass this up. The only thing holding me back is that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7+ is not able to connect to ad-hoc networks as of yet. So this means that I couldn't tether and that is also unacceptable. But as soon as this is overcome, I may make the jump. A decision will be made by 01/31!
I made the jump and I'm loving it. I wish all the owners and devs of the Nook Tab the best of luck now and in the future. I didn't need the drama and stress that came preloaded on the Nook Tab.
I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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I'm on the verge of doing the same as well. Does anyone know if B&N counts the purchase date as the date they deliver or the preorder date? If it is the latter, I am out of luck.
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The store never even looked at the date on my receipt. I suspect, until January 31, all returns will be accepted.
I can't do this anymore... I need a real tablet
So, I've decided finally that although a lot of forward progress has been made on hacking the Nook Tablet, I simply cannot justify continuing to own one, when I could trade it in and get an Iconia A100 for like... $10 more.
So, unless I miraculously receive enough donations to go out and get a real tablet that won't make me want to gouge my eyes out every other day from frustration, and sheer disgust at the moral quality of the manufacturer, I just cannot justify keeping my Nook Tablet.
I hope everyone the best of luck, and I'm sure we'll have custom ROMs running on the Nook Tablet before too long, and everything will be hunky dory, and life will be awesome... I'm simply unwilling to beat my head against the wall over the bull**** from Barnes and Noble...
This also means that snowball-mod will be finalized at snowball-mod v2.1.1, and I won't be able to offer much in the way of real support for it anymore... of course, I can naturally still answer a ton of questions and such, but without a Nook Tablet myself, there is kind of little testing or anything that I could do to help keep the updates coming, etc.
Maybe if the donations trickle in, and I finally get enough to repurchase a Nook Tablet, I might do that as well... who knows. What I am certain of however, is that I cannot keep my Nook Tablet as is, when for $10 more I can get a tablet that isn't going to treat me like a child who cannot make security decisions for myself. I'm a grown woman, and I can look after myself, thank you very much, Barnes & Noble...
Frankly I think the nook tablet is not for the weak hearted. It's a great device but it requires a lot of maintenance and care to make it work as well as it can. While it's a pity that we must work to stay ahead of B&N's attempts to cripple their own product, I think many would agree that the end result is worth the time and work. I've used quite a few tabs at this point and so far the NT (after being modded) is still the best of the bunch, far and away. It's the fastest, most responsive tab out there, for my money. And the battery life is the best I've ever seen. It far outlasts the iconia, which got about 4 to 5 hours at best, for me anyhow. It's not a perfect tablet and I really resent B&N's insane desire to keep it as locked down as possible, but quite frankly, it does seem like the best tab on the market at the moment. And that's why I'm keeping mine. I need the best product, not necessarily the easiest. I do wish the NT was easier to maintain, but the trade off of having a really awesome tab is worth it to me. Plus now that we've found a way to block OTA's, I'm finally done worrying about the state of my NT and I can focus on enjoying it.
So yeah, I'm keeping my nook tablet. The only thing that could make me reconsider is the Archos 70B IT, which is releasing soon and which has impressive specs and a 200 dollar price point. But no one's actually seen or used one yet, so there's no word on performance and more importantly, on battery life. I'm guessing those details will trickle out in the next couple weeks, or possibly when the device debuts at the CES next week. If its the powerhouse it's marketed as, I may consider it. If not, it's Nook Tablet for me, all the way.
So best of luck to all those who jumped ship. Hope you find what you're seeking in other tablets. But me, I'm planning to remain on board the Nook Tablet ship. The rewards seem to far outweigh the work.
You raise very good points, and it's why it has been such a struggle for me to choose for so long. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with this tablet. It is wonderful, it is responsive, it is simply an incredible tablet.
However, I simply cannot abide the moral quality of the company making it. They disgust me, and I simply have no desire to do business with them. That is how upset I am with them, that it would override my darling appreciation of their product.
Anyways, I posted a message on the B&N forums detailing the morality of their argument "security concerns" for the updates and blocking 3rd party installations. http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...n-to/m-p/1264783/message-uid/1264783#U1264783
It boils down to "this denies the user's self-determination, and ability to make informed choices". We're adults, not children. B&N is in no moral place to lock us up for our own good... they are moral in locking us up, because that is their business choice to make money, but presenting the argument that it is for our own good, switches the field from the moral "we want your money", to the immoral "you have no right to choose".
So, I'm getting really frustrated with all of the stuff I've been reading about the Prime. I got mine just before Christmas and it hasn't given me any major problems, a couple of nuisance things here and there. But what I'm worried about is the talk of it being discontinued already, what kind of dev support is this going to get, the possibility of some issues popping up down the road, and the feeling of having paid $500 for a flawed product. I've been holding off from returning it in hopes of some miracle fix coming along or some announcement from ASUS that they'll offer some sort of upgrade for the early adopters. But, as I get close to my 30 day return window closing, i have to consider what to do...
So, if you were going to buy something today that isn't the Prime, what would it be, and why?
Also, do you think my logic is flawed? Should i continue to "wait and see"?
Thanks for your input.
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I returned mine, and bought the original TF-101. It can't match the Prime is processor power, but everything on it works perfectly, and it was $100 cheaper.
There is no alternative. Stop feeding into the rumours n hype. I'd you would take a look in Android developement you would already see we got alot going on. We got root less than a couple days after ICS release. We already have overclocking on the prime. We already have Linux running on prime. Come on now.. Plus most people spreading the rumours don't know jack or even own a prime. There are lots of people without even owning the device taking b.s. and spreading stuff like they know what's going on. Most rumor threads are always false n should be taken with a grain of salt. There are members here out to bash the prime or make it look bad so to try to scare people off from it. READ the positive threads more instead of the nonsense..lol
People will believe anything they read SMH lmfao
I like how you changed it to Discuss..lol.
Rumors of discontinue? Replacements with better model?
The problem here is that talk is cheap, and you need to filter out the signal from the noise. If you're happy with your product, then that should be the informing factor. Technology will always be improving and you just have to jump in where you think is best.
I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
Moothead2 said:
The only reason I could see them discontinuing it would be to release a Prime with a new casing fixing the major issues. If they do this I couldn't see them not allowing Prime owners a swap.
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This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
The original TF101 and dock or wait to see what the equal from Lenovo is like - as I want the dock! Nite well that had my OG not ended up in it's current damaged state, I would not have bought the Prime.
Now if all I wanted was a tablet, I would probably have gotten the TF101 or the Galaxy Tab (either the aging 10.1 or the newer 7.x). The Samsung having had a 3G version that my carrier used to carry would have sinched it, for the same price point as a TF+dock. Nota bene: while the first Gen of Galaxy Tab 10.1 does have a keyboard dock available for like $80, it doesn't have a battery or net book folding feature like the Transformers do.
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nyijedi said:
This.
Either the current model is not being discontinued (most likely), or they're redesigning it, in which case, they'd have to allow people to RMA/swap out the exisiting model.
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I hope they do the latter, it would boost their reputation highly after the near-disaster launch for their PR department. They could even gut the old Primes and then just put the main componants into the new casing and then sell them off at a slightly lower price so they will be hardly losing anything. Either way, I'm still pleased with my Prime, the Wi-Fi works decently in my house where I'll be almost exclusively using it and GPS is a non-issue for me anyway.
thomslik said:
I'm not sorry I returned mine. It's a relief to no longer have the Asus dark cloud hanging over my head. I too am looking for a replacement.
Also, there is another thread here today showing a retailer which has already discounted them to $399. Are the fire sales already starting?
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$100 cheaper is not a fire sale..lol OTA called a Promo
as far as i can tell, the new t700 will have the same specs except the screen res, as long as we have a few good dev's here we should be ok regardless, i would imagine that alot of the roms that take advantage of the tegra 3 and the radio's on the t700 would be easy enough to apply to the tf201 with some tinkering, and like others have said we already got some good stuff going on in the dev section.
if you want to feel better about your prime go and hang out in there for a a bit the general and q&a portions of the forum have become like the weekly world tabloids, running rampant with rumors of 5 legged bat children and the Bermuda triangle of GPS signals....
i'm right there with you, the loss of dev support is more important to me then almost any other aspect of the tablet it's self, i have never bought a device that the manufacture was more prompt and robust then what some dev random dev has come up with in his moms basement, kind of sad when you think about it. that some multi million dollar corp isn't as good as a few guys just hanging on the internet with a passion, seems like HR needs to find guys who love their job....anyways hang in there and we have a 1 year warranty on our product, all else fails hook it up to a car battery and send it back....lol
When mine was running Honeycomb, I was going to return it and wait for the iPad 3. The Prime was slow and apps were closing and unpredictable.
After the ICS update, this Transformer Prime is hummin' like a beast out of Hades. I love it. I just got the keyboard dock, and now it looks like a netbook. LOL.
Anyway, for those with TP issues, keep talking with ASUS so that they can resolve the issues. I have to say that their customer service has been very strong. If this were Apple, they'd be denying there were any issues!
That being said, if you want a table that has no issues and just works, get an iPad. It may lack some of the technological sophistication that the latest Android tabs have, but that is balanced by a very stable platform.
I ordered my TF201 32GB from Office Depot and received it in early January. Unboxed it, turned it on, installed some apps etc. then left charging overnight. Next morning noticed unit was not charged and down to 25% or so. Used another outlet but no improvement. Then froze the power unit as suggested in the forum. Called Asus Technical Support and troubleshooted the unit. CSR convinced it was the unit itself; asked me to ship unit to Texas facility (at my dime of course). 2 weeks later unit was shipped back (took 9 days since it was Fedex Ground from CA to NY!).
Unboxed unit and noticed that battery at 5%! Plugged in and... Nothing. Not charging!! Called ASUS - probably same idiot with whom I spoke the first time. Asked me to ship it back (on my dime) again to Texas but different RMA! Had no explanation as to why the RMA number should be different but I guess whoever they outsourced repairs to does not want to report to ASUS that they did not fix an issue the first time..CSR told me to only ship unit AGAIN. I challenged him that it may makse sense because, god forbid, it may be charger at fault! He said "ok" ship it back too.. thank you very kind of you to keep an open mind MR. ASUS CSR... I also mentioned that it seems unfair I pay for shipping again... so he sent me a Fedex label.. ground of course so 3-4 days to Texas (no ground pick up on weekends) and then another few days for the geniuses at whoever does the repair to figure it out and another 5-6 days to ship back.. so all in all 6 weeks since purchase and I have not used my Prime.. I had bought my wife an ASUS UX21 since she travels a lot for work but I returned it to Amazon for a refund within the 30 day window.. had to pay a fee to return but hey probably saved her (and me) a lot of aggravation.. her Toshiba ultrabook is working just fine thank you very much. Totally frustrated by idiots at ASUS. I cancelled the dock purchase at Office Depot too. As much as I do not like Apple products at least you can find an Apple Store everywhere and get a replacement and/or a technician to take a look and troubleshoot.. and iPads cost the same as a PRIME.. I am done with Asus.. once this is fixed it goes on Craigslist or eBay. Not sure what else I'll get.. anyone want to order my ASUS? It will be cheap.. once I get it back.
This reminds me of an experience we had with an Asus RMA, it was one of their eeePC models (back when they were the hot thing to get). We had to send the device back a total of three or four times before the issue was finally properly repaired. Asus can be kinda poor when it comes to some more obscure RMA situations, I totally understand your frustration.
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Sounds completely understandable on your stance. Unacceptable customer service. Damn Asus, is the RMA place really that bad. Not all are bad experiences but there's been too many bad stories popping up lately. Good luck on choosing new device. As much as i like my Prime, if I had to go through what some people have, I'd give up on them also.
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Why didn't you take it back to Office Depot in the first place? That's why retailers exist, to deal with the customer.
My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Have I read this right? You have a perfectly fine functioning tfp, but are returning it because others have had bad experiences, and you have heard too many stories!
This sounds like you give more credence to other peeps woes rather than go by your own
Experiences. I had better not mention all the negative stories I have heard about the galaxy tab as I would hate to ruin your enjoyment of that tablet!!!
What
Is wrong with enjoying the ..perfect tfp that you have? Remember that peeps are far more likely to moan than praise, for every negative issue on this board there are many many more happy punters who have not posted anything anywhere
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Have I read this right? You have a perfectly fine functioning tfp, but are returning it because others have had bad experiences, and you have heard too many stories!
This sounds like you give more credence to other peeps woes rather than go by your own
Experiences. I had better not mention all the negative stories I have heard about the galaxy tab as I would hate to ruin your enjoyment of that tablet!!!
What
Is wrong with enjoying the ..perfect tfp that you have? Remember that peeps are far more likely to moan than praise, for every negative issue on this board there are many many more happy punters who have not posted anything anywhere
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Yes...you heard it right. I previously had the Galaxy Tab and was fairly happy with it's performance (sans ICS). Really wanted to try the TFP...so I returned the GT and got one to try myself even with all of the negativity expressed here. While I encountered no real issues myself...I couldn't help think about whether or not the TFP would become but a blip on the radar for ASUS support and dev efforts. Sure, the TFP is newer technology than the GT....perhaps I'm just not willing to be one of their beta testers. The GT has been out long enough now to iron out a lot of the wrinkles...plus, ICS is still to come which will almost certainly improve performance.
I'm not slamming the TFP...just wasn't impressed enough with it over the GT to risk being subjected to Asus' tech support should that have been required.
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My 14-day return window is up today. I'm bringing back the TFP.
Even though I've had no problems with mine, I've heard too many stories like this. Too much negativity surrounding this device to allow me to enjoy it. I will downgrade my specs requirement and will go with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Really,
Yours works but you're going to return it because other people have had issues?
Well.. I love my current Prime and I'm waiting on my second to get here next week along with my dock!
Newegg won't even accept my return because the serial number sticker next to the charging port is gone....
They don't care to turn it on and check the serial in settings to match it with the box and warranty papers.
Looks like a lot of us have had bad experiences because of this tablet. I'm waiting for the TF700T but I might be going with another company.
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While I encountered no real issues myself...I couldn't help think about whether or not the TFP would become but a blip on the radar for ASUS support and dev efforts..
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THIS^^^is a follower. Worried too much about what others are thinkn instead of making decisions based on hour own thinking. PLUS the comment about not sure about further Asus support or developement is ignorant at the least. ASUS has been constantly pumping out updates. Name one other company who released as many OTA updates as the Prime received. WE had ICS. We had root already out the box basically. We Had overclock in less than a month. We had Ubuntu n Linux n other flavors lf it already n less than a month. We already have extra drivers n such being added by dev. In less than a month. We already have root for ICS. We already have some minor theming going on. All this without even having bootunlocker tool yet. For you to make such a statement is kinda disrespect to hard work developers have been doing already here. Name another tablet as new as this one thst had so many things developement wise in its first month of existence. You forgetting its still barely over a month since people first started receiving their primes.
I COULD CARE less you returned it, that's your right to. But your reasoning is plain silly. You said although my prime runs perfect, I got frustrated at seeing all the negative stuff surrounding it. DO you know how many of us had our devices way before you n been dealing with all negative stuff? My prime works great also but not gonna return just because someone else dislikes theirs. Sounds like someone needs their hand held when choosing tablet or making any major decisions. GOOD THING THE other poster didn't mention horror stories he heard about the Galaxy tab or you might just throw a hissy fit.
DONT mean to sound harsh but JUST saying....it would be different if you were like OK I'm returning it because it performed poorly for me. Or I had a personal bad experience with Asus support. Not, well ima return it because Tom,****,n Jane dont like theirs...lmfao
Well good luck with new device anyways.
I had a wonderful experience with them. with a new working Prime delivered before I sent mine back.
But then again, I didnt demand a fix or talk like a privileged anus.
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THIS^^^is a follower. Worried too much about what others are thinkn instead of making decisions based on hour own thinking. PLUS the comment about not sure about further Asus support or developement is ignorant at the least. ASUS has been constantly pumping out updates. Name one other company who released as many OTA updates as the Prime received. WE had ICS. We had root already out the box basically. We Had overclock in less than a month. We had Ubuntu n Linux n other flavors lf it already n less than a month. We already have extra drivers n such being added by dev. In less than a month. We already have root for ICS. We already have some minor theming going on. All this without even having bootunlocker tool yet. For you to make such a statement is kinda disrespect to hard work developers have been doing already here. Name another tablet as new as this one thst had so many things developement wise in its first month of existence. You forgetting its still barely over a month since people first started receiving their primes.
I COULD CARE less you returned it, that's your right to. But your reasoning is plain silly. You said although my prime runs perfect, I got frustrated at seeing all the negative stuff surrounding it. DO you know how many of us had our devices way before you n been dealing with all negative stuff? My prime works great also but not gonna return just because someone else dislikes theirs. Sounds like someone needs their hand held when choosing tablet or making any major decisions. GOOD THING THE other poster didn't mention horror stories he heard about the Galaxy tab or you might just throw a hissy fit.
DONT mean to sound harsh but JUST saying....it would be different if you were like OK I'm returning it because it performed poorly for me. Or I had a personal bad experience with Asus support. Not, well ima return it because Tom,****,n Jane dont like theirs...lmfao
Well good luck with new device anyways.
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Thanks...a follower? At least you didn't call me a fanboy. ;-)
I care about my investment and how I feel about it. It's all speculation right now as to how much develpment will occur for the tfp at this point...guess I'm just bowing out as I don't wish to be part of the guessing. I do know the Galaxy Tab has been rewarded.
As far as me not experiencing any earth-crushing issues, I'd say that's true. However, I'm sitting here inside my home typing away on my GalaxyTab with a lock on 8 satellites. And wifi range is excellent EVERYWHERE in my home (and I am talking about a significant difference)...I now get my expected 22-24Mbps down from anywhere in my house whereas before would only achieve these speeds right beside my router and would get 4-6Mbps down further away. Still useable...but pale in comparison to the speeds I get with the GT.
I tested both the TFP and the GT within a month period....I feel better with the sammy and went back to it. How is that being a follower? I tried both extensibly for myself to arrive at a decision I felt comfortable with. As far as the negativity being a factor in my decision...hell yeah. Why shouldn't it be? Had I not been offered the chance to return the TFP easily, I never would have bought it based on what I've read here...some would say that's part of the research done when considering a purchase. After testing it out, I wasn't blown away...for my needs, there was nothing that the GT couldn't do just as well plus with gps and wifi working much better. For sure, it only has 2 cores...maybe I'm good with that.
I do hope everyone feels good about their purchase. I didn't and did the logical thing.
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Easy as you are right. That is what i said n still feel the same. I ran by serial number by Gary n he told me it was from an early batch n someone would call me. Ill easily take the new hardware revision over older one. Especially if it might mean might GPS might finally work. I never said "I want them to repair mines". Plus although no dropped signals or anything, wifi signal still fluctuates alot. SO if older hardware was never really meant to be shipped out then people on older batch entitled to the upgrade, or sorts. I did pay for this device, Cash, and I do have a warranty. I never had an issue like others been posting. SO ILL TAKE THE MINI UPGRADE IF OFFERED. That's all. Plus from hearing the horror stories from returns like guy with device smashed, I'm not sure if I would even send mines in yet. Especially since overall having no problems. GPS aside. Remember, they are people out there that have GPS working to some extent one way or another. I having seen a lock yet, although I never tried for more than 5 mins n was indoors everytime. I haven't taken my prime outdoors yet. Plus based on my date of final purchase 12/22 I'd be entitled to any possible hardware fixes for GPS since mine is clearly shown to be purchased before they took GPS spec down.
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Heck...looks like you'd opt for a fully functional tablet, too. Guess you're just braver than I to wait around for Asus to fix it for you...although, it appears you may be somewhat skeptical of their customer service yourself? ;-)
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.. and iPads cost the same as a PRIME...
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Actually iPad's are $120 more.
received it in early January. so all in all 6 weeks since purchase and I have not used my Prime..
My question is how you figure 6 weeks? How many weeks are there in January if today is the 28th?
On a serious note, why not try to find a charger from Frys or OD or Staples. The ones for the OG TF 101 work and determine if the problem is the charger or not?
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Thanks...a follower? At least you didn't call me a fanboy. ;-)
I care about my investment and how I feel about it. It's all speculation right now as to how much develpment will occur for the tfp at this point...guess I'm just bowing out as I don't wish to be part of the guessing. I do know the Galaxy Tab has been rewarded.
As far as me not experiencing any earth-crushing issues, I'd say that's true. However, I'm sitting here inside my home typing away on my GalaxyTab with a lock on 8 satellites. And wifi range is excellent EVERYWHERE in my home (and I am talking about a significant difference)...I now get my expected 22-24Mbps down from anywhere in my house whereas before would only achieve these speeds right beside my router and would get 4-6Mbps down further away. Still useable...but pale in comparison to the speeds I get with the GT.
I tested both the TFP and the GT within a month period....I feel better with the sammy and went back to it. How is that being a follower? I tried both extensibly for myself to arrive at a decision I felt comfortable with. As far as the negativity being a factor in my decision...hell yeah. Why shouldn't it be? Had I not been offered the chance to return the TFP easily, I never would have bought it based on what I've read here...some would say that's part of the research done when considering a purchase. After testing it out, I wasn't blown away...for my needs, there was nothing that the GT couldn't do just as well plus with gps and wifi working much better. For sure, it only has 2 cores...maybe I'm good with that.
I do hope everyone feels good about their purchase. I didn't and did the logical thing.
Heck...looks like you'd opt for a fully functional tablet, too. Guess you're just braver than I to wait around for Asus to fix it for you...although, it appears you may be somewhat skeptical of their customer service yourself? ;-)
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OK, completely understandable then. I see where you really coming from from this post.
As far as your second quote,I'm not really waiting for anything. I was just told my device is one of early one built. Device still works great but if I'm offered an opportunity to upgrade it to newer parts, then why wouldn't I. Lol. It'll make it even better, I would hope. I still love this device and has done everything I've asked of it n more. Only complaint I would have is GPS. I know that's very important to some people and deciding factor whether to keep it or not. For me, its no big deal. Everything is great aside from GPS. Just thankful I don't have issues some others been describing. Kinda makes it hard to believe when your device working so well. But its a given.
One thing though, Asus better step their game up with the quickness. I have a feeling if they don't address the possible issues on prime, their new upgrade model will be a fail LR do worse. As Prime n t-700 basically share all the same internal components. It'll be in Asus best interest to attack these issues head on. ASUS Losing people everyday. They gaining also but still. People with issues want to keep device but won't since some are riddled with issues. Can't be mad for someone wanting to return a device that's not working properly for them.