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OK so I returned it and await a replacement. It is supposed to be here on the 12-14 just in time for ICS. I truly hope it works well in terms of WiFi as I love the device otherwise. Thanks so much for everyone's input. It was greatly appreciated. It allowed me to realize I could exchange it and not just return it. Again thanks to everyone for their input!!
Apologize for posting in the wrong area. This is a fairly extensive site and that JPG that was highlighted in red was from an area I wasn't familiar with. Again my apologies, if I had seen it I wouldn't of posted it here.
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Ok so I have till tomorrow to return my Transformer Prime to Best Buy. Then it will be 14 days since I received it from bestbuy.com.
I'm truly concerned about the many issues that have been found on this device. Yes, I know it's new and yes, I know ICS is coming the 12th.
What my concern is, is that no matter of software tweaking will fix pogosticks in the hardware, or poor antenna placement (GPS, WiFi & BT), poor case design which interferes with the GPS signal. If it was just a GPS issue I would be like whatever I have my phone for navigation and it can determine my general location well enough for apps. The WiFi issue is a big one for me. I travel. I stay in hotels. Which don't always have the best of reception or signal strength for WiFi. I'm also disappointed that the WiFi doesn't play nice with WEP (Well, at least mine doesn't). Some offices I visit only have WEP setup. It is also troublesome it doesn't have 5 gHz Wifi, but not a deal breaker. I have typically always loved and enjoyed my ASUS products. I have been using their motherboards for years.
I don't have the money to invest into another device in 5-6 months. I'm at my wits end on this. I can see the potential but the possibility of this turning into a $500 misfit from the land of broken tablets is great. I need honest opinions and input. I have been trolling this board for weeks while waiting for it to come and i have seen people both happy and not with their Prime. I truly do not know what to do. Stick it out and take whatever lumps or bring it back and wait for the next round of Tegra 3 tablets.
Thanks in advance for your input.
I have yet to receive my Prime, so I can only speak hypothetically. There will be more Tegra 3 devices out this year. There will be many many coming out, probably soon. With CES starting this week, I wouldn't doubt that there will be some coming out around March or so. That being said, you are essentially (it sounds to me) trying to convince yourself to keep it, not the other way around. If those defects are really deal breakers for you, take it back. Keep your money for now. If you can live without a tablet for a few months, then get rid of it, especially if you need something that will actually work for what you need right now. If I were in your shoes and needed the tablet's bluetooth, GPS, and WEP wifi, I would return the thing and do one of two things: wait for new items to come out this summer, or purchase a good Tegra 2 device right now with no known issues. Like I said, it sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself to keep it rather than convincing yourself to get rid of it. It is something shiny and new with amazing specs, something that is probably causing your hesitation. But there will be numerous shiny new things out this year with equally good specs or better. Just my 2 cents. Take it how you will.
EDIT: Oh, and wrong section, btw. There's a Q&A for this.
Well put Wasabi.
I also have not received my prime (pre-ordered Champange from BB on 11/29), but personally the concerns you (the OP) bring up will not be big deals for me. The GPS thing is not a deal breaker for me. I (as well as most people) do not plan on using the thing for navigation (I have my phone for that). And as far as Wifi goes, if I were in a position where I wasn't able to receive Wifi reception or the signal strength was just too weak for my needs then I would simply turn on Wifi tethering on my phone.
So if I were in your shoes, I definitely would not return the device over the concerns that you have brought up.
I love the Prime. Sure the GPS is non-existant and the WIFI is iffy, but it's a slick deal. The feel in the hands is priceless, and the performance is excellent. What if you return it and get something else in a couple of months and then that tablet also has issues? It's a revolving door with technology today. Don't like the product you have? Wait until tomorrow and there will be something better. I say stick with it. That's what I've chosen to do, and I've even committed to the dock.
Oh, and by the way. I distinctly remember that Best Buy was offering returns until the 24th of January on all tech purchased right before Christmas.
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If there is really nothing wrong with it other than known issues, sell it on eBay and make a profit. It is obvious to me from the OP that you are not really happy with it. No reason to keep it in the hopes you will start to like it.
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I am in the same boat right now. According to best buy, anything purchased between dec 13th-dec 24th qualifies for the extended return date of jan 24.
I am hoping ICS on the 12th will help with the GPS, Wifi issues. If not my prime will be going back for sure. The wifi is a BIG issue as i am in hotels a lot also, GPS is not as big but still needed for some of the apps i run so would also be a deal killer.
Reading on other units it seems that the Toshiba Thrive 10" appears to be the most trouble free with good wifi and gps, many others seem to suffer from connection issues also. So confusing at times, spec wise the Prime is killer and the price is good but severely crippled with major problems - Lets hope ICS helps.
>it seems that the Toshiba Thrive 10" appears to be the most trouble free
For me, the Prime's #1 advantage remains the integrated keyboard dock. I need something that's light with good battery life and a good screen for writing (and straight writing of draft copies; cleanup/formatting work is done on my desktop).
If the Prime weren't available, I'd go for an ultrabook (probably a Zenbook UX31) and a Kindle Fire. Long story short: if you want to use the dock, then the Prime is the only choice. If you don't care about the dock, then there will probably be better choices available in the next few months.
djensen9367 said:
So confusing at times, spec wise the Prime is killer and the price is good but severely crippled with major problems - Lets hope ICS helps.
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Hold on. The Prime is not "severely crippled". The GPS is not a component that allows the tablet to function, it's only an accessory. If the processor had an issue, say, burning up and rendering the tablet useless, I'd say that would qualify as severely crippled. And the WIFI works. No one anywhere has said that there WIFI just simply doesn't function.
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Really this is the second or third post I've seen this on today. Someone already let the OP know his "ERROR" this is like an overused tag line.
Im in the fence as well. As I said in another thread I don't want this to be the 2012 Blackberry playbook that store are dumping 6 mos from now. If the price point were lower id be more confident. But based on anything I think im keeping it. The dock will help keep it unique. A month from now if im discouraged there will still be ebay where prices stay higher longer.
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You have a TP so make your own call. Ignoring what the internet has to say, have YOU had a problem with the wi-fi reception. Or more to the point given your experience a hotels do you feel that the TP would have problems in the hotels you go to and would it be a deal breaker? If so return it. Is WEP critical for you? If so return it. Otherwise I would keep it.
The TP seems to be very close to stock so should be inline for easy upgrades. It is a risk the Asus will stop supporting it earlier thn we like but I think with the ICS upgrade we should be good for a while. I would be more worried about picking up a tablet with a heavily customized interface. They, in my experience, would be the more likely not to support android upgrades moving forward.
My TP wifi reception is on par with my Macbook air and GN so I have no complaints there. I would guess if the TP had accessing a hotel AP chances are the rest of my equipment, with the exception of my HP laptop, would also have problems.
GPS has been a bit less predictable but it is not a showstopper for me (though it is a disappointment) . If I used the TP for navigation in car I would probably invest in a stand and a external GPS puck. Again not optimal but acceptable for me.
Overall I am pleased with my purchase and the functionality it provides, especially when you include the keyboard dock. I tend not to use the dock on the go bit when I am at my desk I find myself continuing to use the TP where the xoom basically was just charging till I left my desk.
The screen is quite pleasant and a significant factor in the system. I have not used a lot of different tablets but from what I have seen the TPs screen is superior to most androietablets and on par with the ipad2.
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There is this website like 1 Sale A Day called Woot and they had refurbished Toshiba Thrives 10" the other day with 90 day warranties. Me and my friend were looking into it but I had my heart set on this one and am glad I got the Prime. I have read people with problems and have read people who love it and have no problems at all. And GPS isn't a big deal for me on the tablet but I hope wifi is good. I have a small 1BR condo and my phone does great on wifi but sometimes has a little problem getting on my works wifi but I hope this does good when I am working. I hope I get a good tablet with nothing wrong and I can't wait to get it. I did kind of like the Toshiba Thrive cause of having a USB but I can deal with not having one here and I think I may eventually get the dock now. And I know here in 5-6 months more quad core tablets will be out but I had my Archos for a year so I plan on keeping this one for a pretty long time. LOL!
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For me, the Prime's #1 advantage remains the integrated keyboard dock.
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This.
Even when other Teg3 tablets come out (probably even the high res Asus) the most distinguishing feature of the Prime will be its keyboard dock. And that's a real important feature for quite a few people.
Ask yourself this. How important are the following features to you:
1) GPS
2) Super Strong Wi-Fi
3) An HD display
4) More RAM
5) Higher clock speed
6) Price
If 6 is important, other tablets are probably going to be more expensive. If having the latest and greatest is important to you, than other tablets will have 3, 4, and 5. If you're willing to pay more, you'll get those extra features along with 1 and 2. If the docks important you really don't have another choice. Everyone on a public forum has different needs and priorities so you're not going to get a definitive answer to your question.
For what it's worth, ever since the case issue went viral I haven't seen any price drop on the TF201. In fact it's now gone up by over $100 at Amazon and Ebay. Go figure, imo the demand is far higher than returns. If Asus comes up with a fix that works, it will bring back the doubting fans, no doubt.
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Wohooo! Luv your smile!
These threads are so LAME. I keep sitting hear reading all these complaints, undecisiveness, this or that. while I've been sitting here with my device since 12/22 enjoying it. other than GPS, mine has no issues. if so unhappy or whatever about it, just take it back end of story. wait till next device rolls around. then hope you won't be going through same ordeal against as all devices when first released has their bugs or gripes. Don't look for XDA to hold your hand and tell you everything going to be OK. Xda just tells you like it is. its completely understandable if issues affecting your device are too much for you. remember you can always exchange it also. plus people mostly commenting on wifi issues is blowing b.s. I've extensively tested my Prime against my Ipad and Atrix4g. Prime performs right on par with those as far as wifi speeds, strength, range, and stability goes.
Maybe you should read the positive transformer prime thread. where people such as your self was conicnced of this or that wrong. People reading all these posts on negative things. Then these people realized they are so glad they didn't let the negative things spread here on XDA about the Prime influence them. just take a look at all the testimonials in there..lol
Honestly. even once new devices come out, it won't be at the great value Prime is. expect them to be alot more expensive. Also whoever said March will show new devices comparable to prime out is mistaken. only device that has the best chance of being released around d that time is Ipad3. Apple has already just announced some big press conference or show coming up to announce something. More than likely ipad3 and Ipad mini.
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For what it's worth, ever since the case issue went viral I haven't seen any price drop on the TF201. In fact it's now gone up by over $100 at Amazon and Ebay. Go figure, imo the demand is far higher than returns. If Asus comes up with a fix that works, it will bring back the doubting fans, no doubt.
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no since in trying to convince the nay Sayers. Prime is already a success as its constantly selling out in preorders and price even went up on it. Prime will never be the ho touchpad or blackberry fail.....lmao.
mods should just start shutting down all these threads as they pop up or at least merge them with other ones. plus its in the wrong section..lmal
secret_skwerl said:
Ok so I have till tomorrow to return my Transformer Prime to Best Buy. Then it will be 14 days since I received it from bestbuy.com.
I'm truly concerned about the many issues that have been found on this device. Yes, I know it's new and yes, I know ICS is coming the 12th.
What my concern is, is that no matter of software tweaking will fix pogosticks in the hardware, or poor antenna placement (GPS, WiFi & BT), poor case design which interferes with the GPS signal. If it was just a GPS issue I would be like whatever I have my phone for navigation and it can determine my general location well enough for apps. The WiFi issue is a big one for me. I travel. I stay in hotels. Which don't always have the best of reception or signal strength for WiFi. I'm also disappointed that the WiFi doesn't play nice with WEP (Well, at least mine doesn't). Some offices I visit only have WEP setup. It is also troublesome it doesn't have 5 gHz Wifi, but not a deal breaker. I have typically always loved and enjoyed my ASUS products. I have been using their motherboards for years.
I don't have the money to invest into another device in 5-6 months. I'm at my wits end on this. I can see the potential but the possibility of this turning into a $500 misfit from the land of broken tablets is great. I need honest opinions and input. I have been trolling this board for weeks while waiting for it to come and i have seen people both happy and not with their Prime. I truly do not know what to do. Stick it out and take whatever lumps or bring it back and wait for the next round of Tegra 3 tablets.
Thanks in advance for your input.
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You have till the 24th!!! I'm returning/swapping mine out for a nonfuckedup one too. I called bb yesterday. Its some special holiday return policy.
Lady on the phone was going to overnite me one but couldn't cuz there weren't any. Wha wha
I then called some stores....gonna get some inventory on the 9th!!! I'm in socal tho...
My GPS is botched and so is my serial number. But I LOVE this thing. Should be all good on the 9th
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Only you can make the decision. If you have doubts about your happiness with it, and your purchase isn't giving you the thrill you expected, then return it. If you like it, and don't think the issues will bother you then keep it.
Those who are trying to convince you to keep it remind me of a story many years ago. I was thinking of buying an early first generation VW diesel vehicle. An old man I knew owned one. When I asked him about it he bragged and bragged about the fuel mileage and all all the advantages. I couldn't wait to buy one. Soon after I did, all kinds of problems kept appearing, making me very unhappy, and I eventually sold it at a huge loss after several months, just happy to be rid of it. When I saw him again and told him about the problems, he agreed that he also had many. When I asked him why he had bragged on it so highly. His reply was, "Son, you know misery loves company!"
I'll never forget that. His quote does seem to be true at times.
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With all the heated debate, defense and criticism, it got me thinking as to why there’s so much emotion in some of the larger threads. It all comes down to what are reasonable expectations?
People’s expectations of the Prime come from two places: 1) the pre-launch PR, hype, and reviews, and 2) a sight-unseen comparison to other previously marketed devices, both from Asus and other manufacturers.
If you have a 2011 car, and trade it in for the evolved make and model’s 2012 version, you’d reasonably expect everything to work better and some new and improved features to be included. You’d certainly be upset if things offered previously didn’t work as well in the newer car. And while you’d be thrilled with the new higher performance engine that got better gas mileage, you’d be pissed if the brakes and headlights didn’t work. That’s what Asus is facing with the Prime. Wi-Fi and GPS don’t perform as well as its predecessor the TF1. How different the performance is can continue to be debated in other open threads.
And the lower level of performance was completely unnecessary. Those defending both Asus and the Prime consider this. The decision to deploy the Prime with an aluminum back cover was needless, narcissistic, and provides no benefit. There’s no cost savings and it may actually cost more. If there’s any weight savings it’s negligible. They could have fabricated a metallic-look plastic back cover that would have looked nearly identical. Google “HTC Sensation Wi-Fi” and you’ll see that there’s clear evidence that aluminum and mobile devices don’t mix. And HTC went to much further lengths than Asus to try and make it work by incurring the added expense of installing antennas on the back cover. So, there should be no pity felt for Asus – they did this to themselves.
I’ll probably get the new Samsung 11.6 when it comes out. If GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and any other core features don’t work as well as the 10.1 I’ll be pissed and very vocal about having been disappointed. I’ll also think less of Samsung. I think the same would apply to anyone purchasing any upcoming tablets. Once the bar has been set, you lower it at your own risk.
So Asus deserves props for launching a fantastic leading-edge device at an incredible price for the included features – and doing it first. No matter how much you love Asus or your new Prime, it still doesn’t excuse the situation they find themselves in though self-inflicted design choices.
If they were smart, they’d start producing Prime’s with a new plastic cover design and replace the metal back cover for owners of existing Prime’s. Doing so would make it perform as well as other devices and most likely even better considering the better quality of some its components. And doing so would make at least half of the negative postings on this forum would go away overnight. They have that choice.
Rant off. Peace out.
Good stuff. Its fair enough to say what you did. As far as the aluminum back goes. People will never be satisfied. I remember here before launch people where whinning and complaining because of rumors that the back actually wasn't metal and was more of a metallic like plastic. I remember all those posts. People were pissed thinkn Asus would release this with plastic back b not metal. Well we got metal people...lol. people got what they wanted and now gripe about it. They could've easily implemented a plastic backing. But it still stands, no matter how much deductive reasoning or user testing goes, of still wasn't confirmed to be the sole reason of GPS weakness. For all we know it could be a software issue needing a new update or drivers. What's gonna happen if we receive an update and it fixes GPS. All those people who complained so much and shot down the primw should feel silly and was ro quick to jump the gun. We have only got one uodste so far and thst was on the first day i bought the device. Not worried about wifi because everything about my wifi works fine. Same strength or better than my Ipad or Atrix4g. I say give it a lil time. Still not even 2 full weeks yetsince people had this. Let a few updates roll out to see what it fixes. Instead of making assumptions without concrete proof.
The debate is so heated because you have an even larger number of people that own the prime not having issues. So its like me and lots of others buy a nice BMW thst works perfectly or satisfied with it and you get one. But yours had some defects in it. Now you want to come telling everyone and drilling down their throats how your car sux n manufacturer sux. You just sit there n complain instead of finding a solution to the problem. When you could have easily returned to the dealer to exchange it or get them to fix or address the issue. Don't try to make the rest of us that are obsolutely happy and satisfied with product and future buyers feel its not a good investment. Especially since you had a bad one. You are the minority. People with satisfactory experience is the Majority. We don't want to here the constant nagging. Just tell us what you are going to do to remedy the situation. Either exchange or get a refund. Cause no matter what, the Prime will continue to sell like hotcakes. Preorders everywhere all over the world is showing this.
Even with my GPS being questionable, The Prime has very easily more than exceeded mY expectations as far as the hype and everything goes. Very glad I decided for myself tl get it and didn't let the negatives get to me or influence my decision. BEST Tablet ever IMO. Before I got the prime I constantly tested out other tablets and owned them. Hands down, prime bests them all out at a great price point.
Bring it on! Lol
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I think you did a good job pointing out flaws but didn't talk about any of the great features of this tablet
You really need hands on time with this bad boy to feel the power behind it and you will love it. I
If you have the cash get it I don't recommend waiting for any future tablets I'm thinking they will disappointed but who knows.
That's my 1 cent not 2 because I didn't give much detail
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With all the heated debate, defense and criticism, it got me thinking as to why there’s so much emotion in some of the larger threads. It all comes down to what are reasonable expectations?
People’s expectations of the Prime come from two places: 1) the pre-launch PR, hype, and reviews, and 2) a sight-unseen comparison to other previously marketed devices, both from Asus and other manufacturers.
If you have a 2011 car, and trade it in for the evolved make and model’s 2012 version, you’d reasonably expect everything to work better and some new and improved features to be included. You’d certainly be upset if things offered previously didn’t work as well in the newer car. And while you’d be thrilled with the new higher performance engine that got better gas mileage, you’d be pissed if the brakes and headlights didn’t work. That’s what Asus is facing with the Prime. Wi-Fi and GPS don’t perform as well as its predecessor the TF1. How different the performance is can continue to be debated in other open threads.
And the lower level of performance was completely unnecessary. Those defending both Asus and the Prime consider this. The decision to deploy the Prime with an aluminum back cover was needless, narcissistic, and provides no benefit. There’s no cost savings and it may actually cost more. If there’s any weight savings it’s negligible. They could have fabricated a metallic-look plastic back cover that would have looked nearly identical. Google “HTC Sensation Wi-Fi” and you’ll see that there’s clear evidence that aluminum and mobile devices don’t mix. And HTC went to much further lengths than Asus to try and make it work by incurring the added expense of installing antennas on the back cover. So, there should be no pity felt for Asus – they did this to themselves.
I’ll probably get the new Samsung 11.6 when it comes out. If GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and any other core features don’t work as well as the 10.1 I’ll be pissed and very vocal about having been disappointed. I’ll also think less of Samsung. I think the same would apply to anyone purchasing any upcoming tablets. Once the bar has been set, you lower it at your own risk.
So Asus deserves props for launching a fantastic leading-edge device at an incredible price for the included features – and doing it first. No matter how much you love Asus or your new Prime, it still doesn’t excuse the situation they find themselves in though self-inflicted design choices.
If they were smart, they’d start producing Prime’s with a new plastic cover design and replace the metal back cover for owners of existing Prime’s. Doing so would make it perform as well as other devices and most likely even better considering the better quality of some its components. And doing so would make at least half of the negative postings on this forum would go away overnight. They have that choice.
Rant off. Peace out.
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well said, sounds fair enough to me.
demandarin said:
The debate is so heated because you have an even larger number of people that own the prime not having issues. So its like me and lots of others buy a nice BMW thst works perfectly or satisfied with it and you get one. But yours had some defects in it. Now you want to come telling everyone and drilling down their throats how your car sux n manufacturer sux. You just sit there n complain instead of finding a solution to the problem. When you could have easily returned to the dealer to exchange it or get them to fix or address the issue. Don't try to make the rest of us that are obsolutely happy and satisfied with product and future buyers feel its not a good investment. Especially since you had a bad one. You are the minority. People with satisfactory experience is the Majority. We don't want to here the constant nagging. Just tell us what you are going to do to remedy the situation. Either exchange or get a refund. Cause no matter what, the Prime will continue to sell like hotcakes. Preorders everywhere all over the world is showing this.
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First of all, do you have working GPS functionality? I'm glad if you have fully functional tablet.
People aren't satisfied & are complaining because they can only guess (or to some, they have released a statement.. that's another debate) the cause of the problem. If Asus makes a comment, or acknowledge the situation.. it'll be great. However, we can only assume/guess/hypothesize/complain atm....
Also, with the current Prime status, there's no guarantee that we will receive fully functional Asus Prime, nor will we get full REFUND since some retailers like Gamestop and Office Depot have crappy return policy.
Some want to fix the issue.. but as you have pointed out.. we're all just "assuming". We can't fix an issue if we don't know the real cause behind the issue... that means, we can't really REMEDY the situation even if we wanted to. Btw, when did it become our job to fix an issue that OEMs such as Asus are making?
Btw, good read Barry.
Thanks again Barry for a reasonable summation of the situation. My only argument is that I would guess that my wifi is as good as the original TF. It is as good or better than my laptop, evo 4g, and galaxy tab. Of course, I have no idea tho if that is due to a quick opening and repairing or repositioning of my antennas as it shipped. Otherwise I tend to agree with everything you say. If they can prove the metal back is the issue with my GPS I would be willing to install a redesigned back to improve it. I don't think we have enough data from people who know what they are doing to say that all primes have weaker wifi.
If the metal back is the issue why not steal apples ideas and replace the Asus logo with plastic and reroute the antennas there?
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This was the smoking gun, for me anyway...
Dear Valued Customer,
Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.
The ASUS Transformer Prime is made from a metallic unibody design, so the material may affect the performance of the GPS when receiving signals from satellites.
Even if in testing it performed better than in real life, why risk the loss of any performance for a clearly aesthetic choice? If they offered purchasers a choice of back cover designs, a more stylish metal option and a more practical plastic one, and warned the metal one could degrade performance, which would you choose?
I've seen millions of dollars wasted and products take lengthy delays because an initially good idea didn't become a bad one until well in to the development cycle. When that happens, you have two choices: bite the bullet and make corrections, or damn the torpedoes and push the thing out the door. Being in product marketing, management, and development sucks because of the pressure and constantly dealing with unforeseen and late-stage issues in case anyone's curious. And it doesn't pay terribly well.
To add some Texan perspective, "she sure is a pretty thang, ain't she."
Haven't really tested out my GPS yet. Never gave it more than 2 mins. Of attention because it doesn't affect my tablet performance or usage. Sure I'd love it I didn't have to worry if my GPS worked or not. Its not a deal breaker for me n most others. Truth is most don't care about it or even use. Like said before its not exactly even known what caused the issue. There are theories but no facts yet. As far as everything else with my Prime goes, works perfectly. I'm sure tons of people who haven't bought prime yet did their research. If it was so problematic it wouldn't be selling out and having back orders till the end of February. If it was so flawed, all major reviewers wouldn't of held this tablet as the best out right now. Plus more n more people coming out now saying how their device satisfies them n their happy with it. I guess its like they say one bad apple spoils the bunch. These people with issues and trolls are making the majority of prime owners, who is happy with device and performance look bad. We already have some major developers whoviwn the prime and gave impressions. Despite flaws, they still love the device and look forward to developing for it. The light will eventually shine through all the b.s. if I would've listened to forum and let it influence my decision, I would've never for the prime. Glad o could think for myself and sift through all the b.s. threads. Cuz I'm very happy and satisfied with my purchase and easily would do it all over again.
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demandarin said:
Haven't really tested out my GPS yet. Never gave it more than 2 mins. Of attention because it doesn't affect my tablet performance or usage. Sure I'd love it I didn't have to worry if my GPS worked or not. Its not a deal breaker for me n most others. Truth is most don't care about it or even use. Like said before its not exactly even known what caused the issue. There are theories but no facts yet. As far as everything else with my Prime goes, works perfectly. I'm sure tons of people who haven't bought prime yet did their research. If it was so problematic it wouldn't be selling out and having back orders till the end of February. If it was so flawed, all major reviewers wouldn't of held this tablet as the best out right now. Plus more n more people coming out now saying how their device satisfies them n their happy with it. I guess its like they say one bad apple spoils the bunch. These people with issues and trolls are making the majority of prime owners, who is happy with device and performance look bad. We already have some major developers whoviwn the prime and gave impressions. Despite flaws, they still love the device and look forward to developing for it. The light will eventually shine through all the b.s. if I would've listened to forum and let it influence my decision, I would've never for the prime. Glad o could think for myself and sift through all the b.s. threads. Cuz I'm very happy and satisfied with my purchase and easily would do it all over again.
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As an HTC Sensation owner, I couldn't agree more.
The Sensation is known for having poor and unpredictable Wifi performance. In particular, it has a very bad case of death-grip. The GPS is also imo just ok. I was the type who was led to believe that software updates would "fix" these problems, as it was my first Android device and people made it like software updates were like the appearance of some kind of angel that would solve all your problems. The Sensation also has a horrifically poor speaker, and I believed that this too would be solved by updates.
It only took me about a month to realize that all of these problems were hardware issues. I now fully embrace the fact that the Sensation's speaker is just crappy. Some people will say stuff like "install volume+, it's so much louder!" "install a ROM with Beats Audio software!" (which only affects headphone usage and, since I'm on a headphone audiophile forum, I know is just crappy bass boosting software) and all these other band-aid software fixes that don't do anything in reality. The hardware blows and software isn't going to do anything about it.
The Wifi and GPS weaknesses on my phone are also design faults. In the early days of our forum, a lot of people were attributing these things to QC. A lot of the defensive people were saying that their device was fine and everyone else should shutup about their problems. By now, however, it's pretty much universally recognized that the aluminum build of the Sensation was ultimately a design fault that affected all Sensations' Wifi and GPS performance equally. In those early days, some people either A) wanted to ignore this shortcoming of their device, B) had lower standards than most about what constitutes "good" Wifi performance, C) ran really poor tests in order to determine the quality of their Wifi performance, or D) did some combination of the above.
I personally think choice A was part of the combination for most people. Most of the people who ignored the design faults of the Sensation made really unreasonable posts. I would watch these same people make posts in threads about competing phones say stuff like the SGS2 is a pile of s*** (SGS2 is the mortal enemy of Sensation defenders). The most noticeable characteristic of these people is that they focus on the negatives of the other device and at best downplay its positives; if they at all do that, because most of the time they completely ignore the positives. On the other hand, they focus of the positives of their own device and at best downplay its negatives; if they at all do that, because most of the time they completely ignore the negatives. It's basic pick-and-choose logic. To this day you will find people in the Sensation forum that still make the most unreasonable statements about their own device and about others.
If you want a Prime, wait until Asus can PROVE that they can fix the issue. Don't buy one right now with the assumption "a software update will fix it". Don't ever rely on something like that to fix something that history has told us is often a hardware problem. Also, I don't get why people can't admit the shortcomings of something they buy. I got my Sensation and a month later (after getting over my 1st Android device orgasm) thought "geez this thing has a ton of friggen problems and isn't that special. 7.5/10 kinda device for me. I'll make a better, more informed, less impulsive decision next time." It's OK to accept the shortcomings, live on with the device, and enjoy what you can from it still.
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Haven't really tested out my GPS yet. Never gave it more than 2 mins. Of attention because it doesn't affect my tablet performance or usage. Sure I'd love it I didn't have to worry if my GPS worked or not. Its not a deal breaker for me n most others. Truth is most don't care about it or even use. Like said before its not exactly even known what caused the issue. There are theories but no facts yet. As far as everything else with my Prime goes, works perfectly. I'm sure tons of people who haven't bought prime yet did their research. If it was so problematic it wouldn't be selling out and having back orders till the end of February. If it was so flawed, all major reviewers wouldn't of held this tablet as the best out right now. Plus more n more people coming out now saying how their device satisfies them n their happy with it. I guess its like they say one bad apple spoils the bunch. These people with issues and trolls are making the majority of prime owners, who is happy with device and performance look bad. We already have some major developers whoviwn the prime and gave impressions. Despite flaws, they still love the device and look forward to developing for it. The light will eventually shine through all the b.s. if I would've listened to forum and let it influence my decision, I would've never for the prime. Glad o could think for myself and sift through all the b.s. threads. Cuz I'm very happy and satisfied with my purchase and easily would do it all over again.
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1. Thank you for "assuming" or thinking for "many others" that GPS functionality isn't a deal breaker or don't use it. Why are you making assumptions when you are calling the "complainers" out for making assumptions?
2. GPS is listed & was listed function of Asus Prime. You are sick of us making assumptions ... Is it that hard for Asus to clarify the issue to end the assumption? Better yet, are we really at fault for asking one simple CLARIFICATION? Don't we have the right to know since we paid $500 based on listed specification?
3. The reviews are based on early prototype. Heck, some tech websites such as Cnet & Anandtech did have complaints on certain aspect of the Prime. Oh, did I mention that they were on time constraint for the review from Asus.. thus, they did not have adequate time?
4. Sold out & back-ordered because Asus did a terrible job with the launch. Did that ever configure into your thought?
5. Do you work for Asus? Really, if you are happy with your Prime.. I'm REALLY glad for you. But to others who paid $500, and were expecting GPS functionality.. they absolutely have the right to complain & troll until they hear an answer. To other potential Prime purchasers & who are doing their own research.. THINK FOR YOURSELF. Better yet, I'm sure you can think for yourself.. I really don't get why Demandrin is so worried about the "image" of Transformer Prime. As Barry & other tech websites have pointed out, it's a good device.. but if you have certain expectations and IT DOES NOT MEET it.. DO NOT PURCHASE IT.
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As an HTC Sensation owner, I couldn't agree more.
The Sensation is known for having poor and unpredictable Wifi performance. In particular, it has a very bad case of death-grip. The GPS is also imo just ok. I was the type who was led to believe that software updates would "fix" these problems, as it was my first Android device and people made it like software updates were like the appearance of some kind of angel that would solve all your problems. The Sensation also has a horrifically poor speaker, and I believed that this too would be solved by updates.
It only took me about a month to realize that all of these problems were hardware issues. I now fully embrace the fact that the Sensation's speaker is just crappy. Some people will say stuff like "install volume+, it's so much louder!" "install a ROM with Beats Audio software!" (which only affects headphone usage and, since I'm on a headphone audiophile forum, I know is just crappy bass boosting software) and all these other band-aid software fixes that don't do anything in reality. The hardware blows and software isn't going to do anything about it.
The Wifi and GPS weaknesses on my phone are also design faults. In the early days of our forum, a lot of people were attributing these things to QC. A lot of the defensive people were saying that their device was fine and everyone else should shutup about their problems. By now, however, it's pretty much universally recognized that the aluminum build of the Sensation was ultimately a design fault that affected all Sensations' Wifi and GPS performance equally. In those early days, some people either A) wanted to ignore this shortcoming of their device, B) had lower standards than most about what constitutes "good" Wifi performance, C) ran really poor tests in order to determine the quality of their Wifi performance, or D) did some combination of the above.
I personally think choice A was part of the combination for most people. Most of the people who ignored the design faults of the Sensation made really unreasonable posts. I would watch these same people make posts in threads about competing phones say stuff like the SGS2 is a pile of s*** (SGS2 is the mortal enemy of Sensation defenders). The most noticeable characteristic of these people is that they focus on the negatives of the other device and at best downplay its positives; if they at all do that, because most of the time they completely ignore the positives. On the other hand, they focus of the positives of their own device and at best downplay its negatives; if they at all do that, because most of the time they completely ignore the negatives. It's basic pick-and-choose logic. To this day you will find people in the Sensation forum that still make the most unreasonable statements about their own device and about others.
If you want a Prime, wait until Asus can PROVE that they can fix the issue. Don't buy one right now with the assumption "a software update will fix it". Don't ever rely on something like that to fix something that history has told us is often a hardware problem. Also, I don't get why people can't admit the shortcomings of something they buy. I got my Sensation and a month later (after getting over my 1st Android device orgasm) thought "geez this thing has a ton of friggen problems and isn't that special. 7.5/10 kinda device for me. I'll make a better, more informed, less impulsive decision next time."
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Great point. But the flipside to it is that these issues aren't affecting everyone. More than half the prime owners here already polled and commented what these threads post about is not the case with them. Yes Asus does need better QC. YES Asus needs to address the issues "SOME" users are experiencing. But to downplay or assume just because your damn device isn't working right, everyone else's isn't also. Or try to rationlaize n be like well they didn't rub the test right. Some people are just looking and hoping others have issues. That's all I'm saying. Just because your sh#& doesn't work right, don't assume everyone else's is the same. Because for the majority of prime owners it isn't. Like I said before, I did the research on Prime and very satisfied with purchase. GPS on my is not important to me or majority of users. So no reason really to wait to buy one. Wait just because a minute/small numerous of people have issues? Come on now...obviously the consumer isn't buying it and can think for themselves because device still selling like crazy and preorders backed up.
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How did the polls prove the opposite? Is this a glass half full vs. half empty kind of thing?
Because I seem to recall the polls showing over 50% were less then satisfied.
Yes people complain easier then praise, but even then it would reflect an easy 10% of the userbase being unhappy.
Though its true there seems to be a lot of fearmongering, you cant simply deny the faults that surfaced.
Here's the thing. GPS functionality in Asus Transformer Prime is a PROBLEM (at least for me). Do I want a solution, or find a solution? I sure do.. but since Asus won't clarify & acknowledge the issue, myself and other "complainers" can only guess & *****.
If you bought Transformer Prime through Gamestop & Office Depot.. at least according to their crappy return policy, you cannot get a FULL REFUND if the box is opened. Can only be exchanged with same item... but with current Transformer status.. it's difficult to get an exchange, & aren't guaranteed of Prime with properly working GPS.
And I don't get how it is a dead issue.
I have until February to return mine, so I'm not too concerned. I didn't get what I paid for, it may or may not be a deal breaker by then, I have until then to figure it out. The only reason I'm not complaining too loudly is because I am in charge of my own own destiny with this tablet plus I'm pretty sure Asus will get this fixed, even if it means they slap different backs on these suckers and delay putting them on the shelves.
I bought into this knowing and willing to go through some growing pains with new technology in a tablet. I wasn't expecting a problem with old technology, but I'll be patient. Til I get closer to my BBRewar Zone Premium Silver deadline.
Oh - and yea, no way I return/exchange now for another unit with GPS problems
Sokonomi said:
How did the polls prove the opposite? Is this a glass half full vs. half empty kind of thing?
Because I seem to recall the polls showing over 50% were less then satisfied.
Yes people complain easier then praise, but even then it would reflect an easy 10% of the userbase being unhappy.
Though its true there seems to be a lot of fearmongering, you cant simply deny the faults that surfaced.
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you guys are doing it wrong. If you have a faulty Transformer Prime instead moping around here trolling, you should be using that time being in contact with ASUS or the retailer you bought the product from and work with them on getting a replacement. How on Earth are you guys are going to troll us who are either anxiously awaiting the arrival of our Prime tablet or have a fault-free Prime tabet?
how trolling us going to even work?
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it will be much easier for us to turn the tables on you and backfire your troll thread.
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lmao, your Transformer flopped. Sucks to be you.
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raped.
oh yes it's very simple.
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Man I'm loving your post. it's classic. that was all I was basically trying to say.
-to the guy that say as he recalled polls showed more than 50% dissatisfied, your recallation is wrong. polls showed more than that satisfied. there was a thread and poll on GPS. polls showed more than 60% had no issues and satisfied. same thing with the wifi thread and poll that primetimebro made. majority of users, over 70% last time o looked, said they had no issue n wifi worked fine. then another thread on are you satisfied with prime or do you have issues. majority of those polled no issues and happy with prime. now more n more threads popping up of people enjoying device and they saying they glad they didn't feed into negativity.
demandarin said:
Great point. But the flipside to it is that these issues aren't affecting everyone. More than half the prime owners here already polled and commented what these threads post about is not the case with them. Yes Asus does need better QC. YES Asus needs to address the issues "SOME" users are experiencing. But to downplay or assume just because your damn device isn't working right, everyone else's isn't also. Or try to rationlaize n be like well they didn't rub the test right. Some people are just looking and hoping others have issues. That's all I'm saying. Just because your sh#& doesn't work right, don't assume everyone else's is the same. Because for the majority of prime owners it isn't. Like I said before, I did the research on Prime and very satisfied with purchase. GPS on my is not important to me or majority of users. So no reason really to wait to buy one. Wait just because a minute/small numerous of people have issues? Come on now...obviously the consumer isn't buying it and can think for themselves because device still selling like crazy and preorders backed up.
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1) I'm not saying that all devices have these problems, and neither are a lot of other "complainers". I'm also not "hoping" people will have issues.
2) You don't know whether or not the majority of owners are experiencing problems. No one knows what the actual statistics are. And before you reference a poll on a forum, I suggest you take a course in statistics to know how bad and unrepresentative those are. You're saying what you want the case to be, not necessarily what it actually is (which no one knows).
3) It doesn't take a majority to make a problem serious. 35% experiencing the issue can be considered a serious problem, and other non-majority percentages can also be great enough to constitute a "serious" problem. For a lot of products, in fact, a fairly "low" percentage actually constitutes a serious failure rate.
4) The consumer isn't "buying it" (believing these issues exist) because the VAST majority of people who will buy the Prime aren't on XDA and consequently don't know anything about them before buying it.
5) Being concerned about this device is fully based on sound reasoning. I can read through this forum and determine based on the quantity and type of comments made what is likely going on. And what is going on is very similar to the design faults I have experienced with my HTC Sensation. That is why I believe there is a serious enough chance that the Prime's issues boil down to design faults to throw up the yellow flag (caution flag in auto racing) for potential buyers. I can sort out what is probably QC versus design faults, and imo it is reasonable to suggest that poor Wifi and GPS are probably the consequence of design faults, while issues that are less reported like dead pixels are probably QC issues that fewer people have. What's ultimately "unreasonable" is to have such evidence of a possible serious issue and to not tell potential buyers about those problems. If you have a Prime that has good Wifi and GPS performance, good for you. But YOU are the one who is being misleading if you tell potential buyers that there are no issues whatsoever. What you SHOULD be saying is "Hey, I like my Prime, it works perfectly for me, but there are a lot of people with Wifi and GPS issues, so I would be careful if I were you and go into this decision knowing something like that might happen". The truth is, YOU are the one who is ascribing YOUR personal situation to ALL Prime's, and consequently YOU are one of the most misleading posters out there right now.
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1) I'm not saying that all devices have these problems, and neither are a lot of other "complainers". I'm also not "hoping" people will have issues.
2) You don't know whether or not the majority of owners are experiencing problems. No one knows what the actual statistics are. And before you reference a poll on a forum, I suggest you take a course in statistics to know how bad and unrepresentative those are. You're saying what you want the case to be, not necessarily what it actually is (which no one knows).
3) It doesn't take a majority to make a problem serious. 35% experiencing the issue can be considered a serious problem, and other non-majority percentages can also be great enough to constitute a "serious" problem. For a lot of products, in fact, a fairly "low" percentage actually constitutes a serious failure rate.
4) The consumer isn't "buying it" (believing these issues exist) because the VAST majority of people who will buy the Prime aren't on XDA and consequently don't know anything about them before buying it.
5) Being concerned about this device is fully based on sound reasoning. I can read through this forum and determine based on the quantity and type of comments made what is likely going on. And what is going on is very similar to the design faults I have experienced with my HTC Sensation. That is why I believe there is a serious enough chance that the Prime's issues boil down to design faults to throw up the yellow flag (caution flag in auto racing) for potential buyers. I can sort out what is probably QC versus design faults, and imo it is reasonable to suggest that poor Wifi and GPS are probably the consequence of design faults, while issues that are less reported like dead pixels are probably QC issues that fewer people have. What's ultimately "unreasonable" is to have such evidence of a possible serious issue and to not tell potential buyers about those problems. If you have a Prime that has good Wifi and GPS performance, good for you. But YOU are the one who is being misleading if you tell potential buyers that there are no issues whatsoever. What you SHOULD be saying is "Hey, I like my Prime, it works perfectly for me, but there are a lot of people with Wifi and GPS issues, so I would be careful if I were you and go into this decision knowing something like that might happen". The truth is, YOU are the one who is ascribing YOUR personal situation to ALL Prime's, and consequently YOU are one of the most misleading posters out there right now.
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Actually for your second to last sentence, I have. I've never said no one has nothing tl worry about as I know there are issues out there. I'm talking about when the various same people go on saying don't get the device because theirs is faulty and that more than likely the new owner will experience same issues. So when they come saying that in threads, I interject my experience with device. Period
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One thing you guys all need to remember is, the VAST majority of people buying tablets have no ****ing clue what XDA is. They do not have hundreds, or thousands of posts in tech forums. 60% satisfaction, or dissatisfaction, or whatever means pretty much nothing on this forum. Lets say that Asus ends up selling 2 million of these things (Random number). How many of those 2 million are going to be on XDA complaining about their tablets? Hundreds. You all need to realize that any poll done on this site has such a small sample of data that it is virtually ****.
So, can you list the "ppl" who are telling ppl not to get the device? Or are these based on assumptions as well? Or does "complaining" or sharing info on defective GPS constitutes as telling ppl not to purchase the device? Is GPS not considered a problem since it means nothing to you? Do we have to follow your act and just "let it slide"?
If you are happy with it, and do not consider your Prime to be defective.. FINE. But we do not work for Asus, nor should we care for "potential" Prime purchasers. Each person should do their own research (if they are on this forum), read the forum/threads as they fit, and decide on their OWN. I really don't get this... "complain less or ignore your minor issues so we can keep the image of PRIME prestigious" attitude.
I can already feel the angry masses and people saying "you started another thread......when there already are threads......."
I am supposed to get my TFP tomorrow from BB. Along the Wifi / GPS / aluminum back issues there is one fundamental one I don't understand......Didnt the engineers test this stuff out first or think to bring up the plausibility of signal distortion before advertising this stuff. Isn't there a Quality control department that could have said hey Bluetooth and wifi radios are distorted look at this?
I do not have mine yet so I hope mine is fine, but to people on both sides who want to bash my post, even Asus is now admitting an issue and that is a big deal as it then puts doubts in potential customers minds. It was funny when it was the iPhone 4 and the antennae issue but not so funny now. At least Apple attempted to do something. I hope Asus can come up with something to save its customer base. We have to have competition for the iPad.
How did all of this slip by? I mean sheesh we are paying 500.00 plus for something we are told works out of the box.
My other questions are more pessimistic. I'm not sure even if mine works fine that it is reliable for me to keep. Am I safe in opening the box and playing with it to build up courage before returning to BB?? Or should I just return with the box sealed?? Right now the only thing I wanted was the TFP. If its not ready then I'd rather have my money back. I did as much research as I could on the iPad 2 or this and made my choice I don't want to spend my money on something I feel is second best, in fact it would be more money.
Please note I had the TF 1 for 6 months, several kernels and Roms on it and was very pleased. I havnt seen a backlash like this in a long time.
Complain about my logic or paranoia, that's fine, but this is not an Apple vs. Android War.
If it is defective, then bestbuy will let you exchange it for another one of the same model.
I'm not sure what policy BB has in the US...but here in Canada, I can return most items to Best Buy for a full refund within 30 days. I have 14 days for computers and tablets. You do not need to have any reason other than it's not the one you want.
As long as you return them in the original packaging with nothing missing...you're good to use it as you wish for that period of time.
I took advantage of this policy when buying a new tv a few years ago. It was a great way to test out different models and sizes to see what I really wanted.
I just purchased the Samsung Galaxy Tab a couple days ago...I'm giving it a good test before committing to keep it. If I can get my hands on a Transformer Prime in the next little while from BB, I will give that a whirl as well.
I returned mine last week.
Best Buy has a 14 days return policy even if the box is opened as long as it is not damaged by you.
If the device is defective then you get your postage/delivery cost refunded too.
So play with it for a week to see if everything is working, if not... return it.
I returned it due to dead pixels. GPS, WFI all worked on mine and no black light bleed.
I had 2 units with dead pixels, so make sure you check for that with apps...
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I can already feel the angry masses and people saying "you started another thread......when there already are threads......."
I am supposed to get my TFP tomorrow from BB. Along the Wifi / GPS / aluminum back issues there is one fundamental one I don't understand......Didnt the engineers test this stuff out first or think to bring up the plausibility of signal distortion before advertising this stuff. Isn't there a Quality control department that could have said hey Bluetooth and wifi radios are distorted look at this?
I do not have mine yet so I hope mine is fine, but to people on both sides who want to bash my post, even Asus is now admitting an issue and that is a big deal as it then puts doubts in potential customers minds. It was funny when it was the iPhone 4 and the antennae issue but not so funny now. At least Apple attempted to do something. I hope Asus can come up with something to save its customer base. We have to have competition for the iPad.
How did all of this slip by? I mean sheesh we are paying 500.00 plus for something we are told works out of the box.
My other questions are more pessimistic. I'm not sure even if mine works fine that it is reliable for me to keep. Am I safe in opening the box and playing with it to build up courage before returning to BB?? Or should I just return with the box sealed?? Right now the only thing I wanted was the TFP. If its not ready then I'd rather have my money back. I did as much research as I could on the iPad 2 or this and made my choice I don't want to spend my money on something I feel is second best, in fact it would be more money.
Please note I had the TF 1 for 6 months, several kernels and Roms on it and was very pleased. I havnt seen a backlash like this in a long time.
Complain about my logic or paranoia, that's fine, but this is not an Apple vs. Android War.
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If I thought the gps is important feature (which I do), I wouldn't even bother going to get it or even open it up...just say you changed your mind. The chance of it working right is slim. If I knew what I know 2 weeks ago I would not have got it at gamestop. They don't seem to have a refund policy, but some people have said they got it returned and their money back. Either wait for asus to own up and fix the problem or choose another tablet. I also own the transformer, but my son broke it. I waited to get the prime to replace it, but I rather go back to the old one, but seeing how asus is....I'm not even going to get the transformer even though it was good.
My tolerance level has dropped considerably since all this stuff started. I'll probably be looking for trouble. However I've had enough tablets that if I have one of the "defective units" then it won't be hard to find. Feels like a bad dream.
Hey, another Canuck. I wish I bought mine from BB because my Canada Computers 14 days return is up on Friday. There's nothing wrong with opening and playing around with the tablet. That won't prevent you from returning it. If anything, playing with it will give you a sense of the limitations and let you figure out if the GPS really matters or not. Also, Ice Cream Sandwich comes January 12th, how could you pass on that?
P.S. In a couple weeks, you'll be hearing back from people like me that will be sending to RMA to "fix" the GPS. We need to see what they do about it.
They took my used one back no questions asked.
you haven't even gotten it yet let alone used it. you think n hope for the worst, that's what you will get. instead of assuming it'll be riddled with defects, at least test it out and have some hands on before passing judgement. guy got flamed in the other thread for this same thing really. he didn't even have device and was dismissing it on stuff he read n heard. Be your own person and test it out first with an open mind. don't just assume since you been reading all these b.s. threads that they're all true.
that was being nice Good luck on your Prime and performs out the box for you like its supposed to. Let us know your first impressions vs. all the stuff you been reading ln this forum.
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you haven't even gotten it yet let alone used it. you think n hope for the worst, that's what you will get. instead of assuming it'll be riddled with defects, at least test it out and have some hands on before passing judgement. guy got flamed in the other thread for this same thing really. he didn't even have device and was dismissing it on stuff he read n heard. Be your own person and test it out first with an open mind. don't just assume since you been reading all these b.s. threads that they're all true.
that was being nice Good luck on your Prime and performs out the box for you like its supposed to. Let us know your first impressions vs. all the stuff you been reading ln this forum.
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I agree. My wife and I really like this tablet. She gets pissed at me for even talking about GPS ("We already have that in the car why the hell do you need it on a tablet!"). Otherwise the only issue for me is the HDMI output. The amount of B.S. in this forum is unreal - it make me think peeps are doing it to deter Prime sales. It's been that bad.
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I agree. My wife and I really like this tablet. She gets pissed at me for even talking about GPS ("We already have that in the car why the hell do you need it on a tablet!"). Otherwise the only issue for me is the HDMI output. The amount of B.S. in this forum is unreal - it make me think peeps are doing it to deter Prime sales. It's been that bad.
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I agree, I use devices in their proper perspective. If I want to use a GPS (I will use a GPS), a mp3 player (I will use a mp3 player). I don't use my PS3 as a bluray player, I use it to play games. I use a bluray player to watch blurays. This is a tablet use it for what it is...and thats to replace a laptop or netbook!
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I agree, I use devices in their proper perspective. If I want to use a GPS (I will use a GPS), a mp3 player (I will use a mp3 player). I don't use my PS3 as a bluray player, I use it to play games. I use a bluray player to watch blurays. This is a tablet use it for what it is...and thats to replace a laptop or netbook!
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In our case, it replaces the old Dell Dimension desktop. The only problem is that my wife likes to print and I haven't found anything that resembles a network printer application. Anyone, anyone? Off topic, I know.
****ing_lukin said:
I agree. My wife and I really like this tablet. She gets pissed at me for even talking about GPS ("We already have that in the car why the hell do you need it on a tablet!"). Otherwise the only issue for me is the HDMI output. The amount of B.S. in this forum is unreal - it make me think peeps are doing it to deter Prime sales. It's been that bad.
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yes. it has been that bad. I'm starting to think the same thing. all in all, its completely fair to want a fully functioning device since we paid for it. Aside from GPS, which I don't use anyways, My Prime has more than exceeded my expectations and all other aspects of it works flawlessly. including wifi
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In our case, it replaces the old Dell Dimension desktop. The only problem is that my wife likes to print and I haven't found anything that resembles a network printer application. Anyone, anyone? Off topic, I know.
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I use Printershare for network printing. It works pretty well with my Cannon MX860 Series. BTW, got my TP of 12/23 and been loving it ever sense. I loving hearing the oo's and aah's when I show it at work.
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In our case, it replaces the old Dell Dimension desktop. The only problem is that my wife likes to print and I haven't found anything that resembles a network printer application. Anyone, anyone? Off topic, I know.
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I've seen a few printer share apps on marketplace. can't recall the name but they are out there. just type in Printer share or something similar in marketplace and see what pops up. I'm not sure if the Print n Share app that was well received for Ipad is out for Android.
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I've seen a few printer share apps on marketplace. can't recall the name but they are out there. just type in Printer share or something similar in marketplace and see what pops up. I'm not sure if the Print n Share app that was well received for Ipad is out for Android.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm new to android market and sometimes I see apps and have to question their credibility. I don't know why. Maybe they look too much like shareware or something.
I use printer Share and really like it. You have to download a client for your desktop but it does it all including Remote Print.
You guys are right and I tried to note that I don't have the Prime yet, but this is almost anarchy lol. That's why I wanted to know if I was safe opening the package if I retun. This isn't me wanting something else, it was the TF or bust for now. So I'll post when I get it and will keep an open mind. Thanks
I got my TFP today on theorch bubble wrapped and white box. I don't know what to say after warming up and charging and installing updates, which went flawlessly.
1. Haptic feedback is barely noticeable but I kind of like it that way.
2. Screen is beautifully brought as is the device.
3. Camera is pretty crisp with nice Facebook integration.
4. Nice and lightweight.
5. Riptide game is Wow, Amazing. Graphics.
6. Screen transitions happen with no lag. Impressive.
7. Speakers are way better than the TF 101.
8. No dead pixels and just a hint of light bleed.
Not so great.
1. GPS my phone the Motorola atrix in my livingropm locks to 15 satellites within a minute. This can't find a single one.
2. The wifi signal about 25 feet away drops between 2 and 3 bars. However speed test are the same as the OG iPad.
3. Despite being ultra thin, when holding the TFP the edges hurt your sides of your hands. Kind of surprising.
4. The back is very smudge prone. Not that's a return issue.
While it is beauty and the screen is impressively bright and games speaker and camera are all pluses. Wifi, GPS are frustrating. Need some time to comtemplate.
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I agree, I use devices in their proper perspective. If I want to use a GPS (I will use a GPS), a mp3 player (I will use a mp3 player). I don't use my PS3 as a bluray player, I use it to play games. I use a bluray player to watch blurays. This is a tablet use it for what it is...and thats to replace a laptop or netbook!
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if thats the case wouldnt you use a laptop or netbook????? you have way to much money/gadgets ( feel free to donate some )
my first one was riddled with problems. i am much more confident that my second will be better now that they are in stock at some places. to me that means asus is starting to catch up on demand a little and hopefully will have better quality control. if not no. 3 here i come!
Well to me the issue with the GPS is not really that it doesn't work but more that its included in the price. So if they had just left it out to began with the prime may have been cheaper. So we pretty much paid for a GPS chip and parts for nothing.
To whom it may concern within Asus:
Let me first start off by saying that this is my 5th Prime. I originally pre-ordered a 32GB Grey TF201 Asus Transformer Prime bundle with Bluetooth controller from Gamestop. http://www.gamestop.com/tablets/asus-transformer-prime-32gb-grey-tablet-bundle/98405
After all the launch delays and bad web coverage about the TF201's bad WiFi, I decided to cancel my order and purchase an iPad 2. To this day I have not one complaint about the iPad 2. Every aspect of the iPad 2 is outstanding.
Finally the TF201's launch day arrives. It really didn't matter to me because I am happy with my iPad 2....until I received a call from Gamestop telling me my Prime was ready for pickup(Even though I had previously canceled...lol). So...based off of my Faith that Asus fixed all of the problems plaguing the review TF201 pre-launch models, I bit the bullet and purchased the TF201 bundle and dock.
On the way home I was SOOOO excited. Kinda like when my parents drove me to pick up the original Optimus Prime Transformer back in 1984.
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As I opened both the Prime and dock I was shocked how Premium the quality was. Wow!!! Asus really went all out on the look and feel of the Prime and dock. This is really first class stuff here. After setting it up the horror became apparent.
Prime #1 #2 Problems:
1. GPS did not work(didn't really matter to me)
2. WiFi range/throughput is/was awful.
3. Bluetooth enabled, causes WiFI to NOT receive or transmit data.
4. Bluetooth audio delay in video playback, regardless of the video player app used or brand of Bluetooth headset.
5. Because I can't use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time renders my Bluetooth controller useless.
6. FC's(Force Closes) and random reboots.
5. Screen Backlight Bleeding.
7. Lag with Asus My Water II live wallpaper(Honeycomb).
8. Video artifacts while watching Youtube video's.
9. Bouncing taskbar after video artifacts.
With these problems I had to return my first and second Prime back for a full refund at gamestop. They were not happy and neither was I....back to my iPad 2.
Almost 2 months went by and even though I am/was totally happy with my iPad 2, I figured Asus had to have straighten things out by now.
Prime #3 was purchased at Bestbuy earlier last week.
Problems:
1. Bluetooth enabled, causes WiFI to NOT receive or transmit data.
2. Bluetooth audio delay in video playback, regardless of the video player app used or brand of Bluetooth headset.
3. Because I can't use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time renders my Bluetooth controller useless.
4. Video artifacts while watching Youtube video's.
5. Bouncing taskbar after video artifacts.
I spoke with Asus Tech Support who recommended RMA with the cost of shipping at my own expense or return. Of course I chose to return it.
Prime #4
Problems:
1. GPS did not work(didn't really matter to me)
2. WiFi range/throughput is/was awful.
3. Bluetooth enabled, causes WiFI to NOT receive or transmit data.
4. Bluetooth audio delay in video playback, regardless of the video player app used or brand of Bluetooth headset.
5. Because I can't use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time renders my Bluetooth controller is useless.
6. FC's(Force Closes) and random reboots.
5. Screen Backlight Bleeding.
7. Lag with Asus My Water II live wallpaper(Honeycomb).
8. Video artifacts while watching Youtube video's.
9. Bouncing taskbar after video artifacts.
10.Constant reboots.
I contacted Asus again and was offered RMA with the cost of shipping at my own expense or return. Of course I chose to return it again.
Embarrassed, I went back to Bestbuy. They recommended that I give up on the Prime. They also had received Prime returns do to defects. I insisted on giving it another shot. I am a Bestbuy Rewards Silver Member for 4 years+ standing. I know almost everyone in my local store.
Prime #5(Current)
Problems:
1. WiFi range/throughput is/was awful.
2. Bluetooth enabled, causes WiFI to NOT receive or transmit data.
3. Bluetooth audio delay in video playback, regardless of the video player app used or brand of Bluetooth headset.
4. Because I can't use Bluetooth and WiFi at the same time renders my Bluetooth controller useless.
5. Video artifacts while watching Youtube video's.
6. Bouncing taskbar after video artifacts.
I called Asus again, same recommendations
I turned it off today and held power & volume down and then pressed up, Bluetooth and WiFi work together now, but who knows for how long....WTF to that?1?!?
I really love the look and feel of the prime and dock. I really need these problems to be fixed VERY soon. What makes matters worse is, that I see our friend Gary on Youtube showing off the new TF700t. I can't even finish watching the video because my TF201 has massive video artifacts that also affect my taskbar. Forget the TF700t Asus!!! Asus needs to focus on fixing the mess Asus created!! You have loyal(not for long) customers who NEED you NOW!!!
I don't care if there are a million threads/stories/letters like this. I need you to hear me...and hear me clearly. This is not a joke!! I spent $650.00USD on the Prime and Dock. I have 43 days left to return it and spend my money elsewhere(iPad 3). Until the return windows has come and gone these purchases are NOT final.
I even wrote Asus twice. Here are my mail request ID's WTM20120204201235672 & WTM201202042012435314. I have yet to receive a response....lame. I've owned a 2 EEE PC's, G51GX, G71GX, G73JH and G74SX. Now I own a M18x.
I need you to hear, listen and understand me and each and everyone of your loyal customers. I even read Asus is offering other countries compensation.
I am a technology enthusiast by heart. First to have any and everything(except a good camera my Nex-5 is down for warranty repair). It's ridiculous that I/WE sit here with such amazing hardware from Asus that is so defective. This stuff should have been fixed yesterday. Especially with the iPad 3, TF700t and Acer/Lenovo Tegra 3 tablets on the horizon. The Prime is a luxury item. It can be returned just as easy as it was purchased.
Instead of watching the super Bowl pre-game show, I'm here writing this letter on behalf of all TF201 owners & myslef. Please don't continue to half @$$ this product.
Here are my solutions:
Fix the Prime's problems with software updates ASAP.
If software can not fix the problems, have Bestbuy perform the repair. That way we can hold some one physically accountable in case of damage or failed repair. Bestbuy is a authorized reseller/repair facility for Asus.
Asus PLEASE fix my/the Prime.
You would've been better off just PM Gary this whole message. It won't get seen faster being out here like this. We all know he pays more attention to his sticky threads and personal PM.
So tell me what happened? Just the other week you had a thread talking about how Asus finally got it right..lol.
The 5th Prime that I have is waaaaay better than my last 4 Primes.
No backlight bleed, no physical defects, awesome GPS...in fact it's so awesome I can lock on to 7 satelittes from within my bed room. My Garmin can't even do that.
But there are times when I need WiFi to work in my bedroom where every other device that I own gets 4 to 5 bars. I also need Bluetooth and WiFi to work at the same time and no Bluetooth audio delay.
And last but not least...no video artifacts and bouncing taskbar after watching Youtube videos. As you know I really Love/Hate my Prime. I feel that I've gone out of my way to make this Love/Hate relationship work. I really don't want to get rid of my prime and this awesome community here. I'm really trying to hold on here.
As I look at my prime beside me it just annoys the ccrap out of me how this amazing device can be full of pre-production bugs.
Understand your frustration totally!
However... sometimes you just have to accept something is'nt going to happen, and throw in the towel, it's just not worth all the stress!
I cancelled my pre-ordered Prime after seeing all the hassle people were getting with even the most basic of device features.
Check out my thread dude!
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To whom it may concern within Asus:
Asus PLEASE fix my/the Prime.
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Asus blew this up BIG TIME. They have destroy their reputation with this one. They rushed to be the first to release a quad-core tablet and this is what happened. Pointless having the fastest hardware (in benchmarks) when it's basic functions are broken. I would be very cautious with their future hardware release (TF700 or anything).
I did. I really don't like the direction your thread is going in. Oh well.
The closer we get to iPad 3/TF700t the more united we will become. Trust me. No one is gonna just sit here after paying 500.00USD+ with a defective tablet full of bugs while the competition releases similar spec'd tablets w/o the bugs......especially someone outside of the return window.
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Asus blew this up BIG TIME. They have destroy their reputation with this one. They rushed to be the first to release a quad-core tablet and this is what happened. Pointless having the fastest hardware (in benchmarks) when it's basic functions are broken. I would be very cautious with their future hardware release (TF700 or anything).
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I agree
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Hey do you mind linking my thread in your original post?
Don't take this personal but anytime a company see's the words Social/Media attack they back off like the plague. Instead of providing support, they ignore the entire message.
My post is my last and final outcry on behalf of myself and every other TF201 owner before I throw in the towel. I've already written Gary, Asus 2x, XDA and soon Asus's Facebook and Twitter page.
I think your thread is good and shares the same common goal, but the approach is different. Keep at it. You have my support.
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Don't take this personal but anytime a company see's the words Social/Media attack they back off like the plague. Instead of providing support, they ignore the entire message.
My post is my last and final outcry on behalf of myself and every other TF201 owner before I throw in the towel. I've already written Gary, Asus 2x, XDA and soon Asus's Facebook and Twitter page.
I think your thread is good and shares the same common goal, but the approach is different. Keep at it. You have my support.
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You mean more like scare them! because they might loose a bunch of sales?
Wow 5 primes?? At what point do you just give up and wait for a tablet that works as advertised?? This one is a lost cause.
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Wow 5 primes?? At what point do you just give up and wait for a tablet that works as advertised?? This one is a lost cause.
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If a fix is not released soon, I'm officially throwing in the towel on Tuesday evening AKST time and going with a iPad 3 or TF700t with less problems. Preferably iPad 3. I appreciate Gary's help but I feel that Asus isn't doing enough, quickly enough.
The TF700t is closer than everyone thinks.
Watch this video and you'll see why I say this. Pay attention at 2:17
http://youtu.be/Fc2qmE9XcT4
Quietly waiting for fix
I for one, appreciate these threads. No matter how repetitive people think they may be.
I'm one of the many users that have joined this site after purchasing the prime in order to learn all the tips and tricks i can do with my new toy.
Only to find myself glued to this thread each day about when i can expect my $800 tablet (yes it costs that much in Australia) is going to work a bit better about 10 meters away from my router.
Ive always been a huge fan of asus products, and im just hoping they can get the loyal fans out of this mess we're in.
I know for a fact that if i attempt to return my tablet, its going to take forever and a day in order to get anything in return.
I absolutely love the look and feel, and would much rather have someone tell me how to fix it rather than get my money back.
Thank you for your post. I feel exactly the same as you do. Please continue to support your fellow TF201 owners. If a software fix isn't released by Tuesday evening I will return my Prime. Regardless, I will still post here and continue to offer my support and prayers to those affected by Asus's negligence. I know this is a just a tablet but to me and many like me, it is an extention of my PC and myself. It is important for it to work correctly.
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If a fix is not released soon, I'm officially throwing in the towel on Tuesday evening AKST time and going with a iPad 3 or TF700t with less problems. Preferably iPad 3. I appreciate Gary's help but I feel that Asus isn't doing enough, quickly enough.
The TF700t is closer than everyone thinks.
Watch this video and you'll see why I say this. Pay attention at 2:17
http://youtu.be/Fc2qmE9XcT4
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I wrote more but pressed some stupid button on accident. Lol. Basically new tf-700 won't be out till June at earliest. I already pointed it out from that video before. ASUS HISTORY HAS SHOWN that they never release devices exactly when they say. Its always later. Most recent and perfect example is the Prime. It been was supposed to be released months ago. Before that was OG transformer n other Asus tablets. So keep in mind a releastic time frame of release. If I were you, I wouldn't be an early adopter of next device. After going thru what you did, it'll be smarter to just wait it out for a lil while after it releases to get a scope of how things are going for it. Whatever you do though, fck apple..lmfao ipad3 will be severely crippled compared to the freedom of Android. Only freedom apple gives you is changing wallpapers..lmfao. other then that its a boring device with just apps on a screen. I had to jailbreak my Ipad to only be able to do half the things Android does naturally out the box. Plus being chained to iTunes is the worst. I'd be damned if I ever would have to use some PC program to put media, music. N videos on my Ipad. That's why I jailbroke so i wouldn't need iTunes anymore. Apple is good and is mainlybfor beginner people to tablets. If you more than just a beginner, then android is what u want.
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I wrote more but pressed some stupid button on accident. Lol. Basically new tf-700 won't be out till June at earliest. I already pointed it out from that video before. ASUS HISTORY HAS SHOWN that they never release devices exactly when they say. Its always later. Most recent and perfect example is the Prime. It been was supposed to be released months ago. Before that was OG transformer n other Asus tablets. So keep in mind a releastic time frame of release. If I were you, I wouldn't be an early adopter of next device. After going thru what you did, it'll be smarter to just wait it out for a lil while after it releases to get a scope of how things are going for it. Whatever you do though, fck apple..lmfao ipad3 will be severely crippled compared to the freedom of Android. Only freedom apple gives you is changing wallpapers..lmfao. other then that its a boring device with just apps on a screen. I had to jailbreak my Ipad to only be able to do half the things Android does naturally out the box. Plus being chained to iTunes is the worst. I'd be damned if I ever would have to use some PC program to put media, music. N videos on my Ipad. That's why I jailbroke so i wouldn't need iTunes anymore. Apple is good and is mainlybfor beginner people to tablets. If you more than just a beginner, then android is what u want.
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I've put up with 5 bad Primes back to back from different retailers...lol. I guess I could wait for iPad 3 or TF700t. What makes this so hard is that I have exhausted my time and resources(not including money) on my 5th Prime w/dock. I really like everything about it minus all the problems. I actually like iTunes and the App store so I'll be right at home with iPad 3. It drives me nuts to sit here with my Prime 2 feet away from me and not use it because the WiFi doesn't reach it when every other device I own gets at least 4 out of 5 bars. Asus got the idea right, just not the execution. Hopefully Asus will announce a fix between now and Tuesday evening. If they don't I'll most likely go iPad 3 or TF700t w/dock. I have about 400.00 in Bestbuy gift cards...lol. Even if/when I return my Prime & dock I will continue to support the members here. I understand that supporting the TF201 users paves the way for better releases from Asus...........hopefully
Technically my M18x has an Intel 6300 with My WiFi support so I could extend the WiFi to my tablet. But I don't feel I should have to rely on my maxed out M18x to power a 650.00 tablet. I even owned a Japanese PS Vita with better range than my TF201. Asus is playing a dangerous game here. A lot of products are releasing soon(PS Vita Feb.) that could sway some pissed off TF201 customers. Hopefully a fix will be released.................................soon.
Everyone who's getting "awesome" GPS, what are most of the color of your bars on the GPS Test app?
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The 5th Prime that I have is waaaaay better than my last 4 Primes.
No backlight bleed, no physical defects, awesome GPS...in fact it's so awesome I can lock on to 7 satelittes from within my bed room. My Garmin can't even do that.
But there are times when I need WiFi to work in my bedroom where every other device that I own gets 4 to 5 bars. I also need Bluetooth and WiFi to work at the same time and no Bluetooth audio delay.
And last but not least...no video artifacts and bouncing taskbar after watching Youtube videos. As you know I really Love/Hate my Prime. I feel that I've gone out of my way to make this Love/Hate relationship work. I really don't want to get rid of my prime and this awesome community here. I'm really trying to hold on here.
As I look at my prime beside me it just annoys the ccrap out of me how this amazing device can be full of pre-production bugs.
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I hate to tell you but WiFi range with Primes will not be up to snuff with other wifi devices unless they remove the all aluminum backing the deadspot range is about 5-15 ft before other wifi devices ive tested several primes on several different routers its consistent amount all Primes.
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To be honest I have one of the best Primes. But it's still not good enough.
Here are some pics showing GPS from my bedroom and to validate that I actually own a Prime and am not trolling. My Prime has better GPS than WiFi!! Go Figure!! If I'm outside I have 13 satelites all in the green at the least.
WiFi Disabled
WiFi Enabled
Don't shoot messenger on this one. people believe that the Prime is being discontinued already. This is the Q&A Forum I'm newbie, so I asked here. Figured it was the correct area. Just read this thread and I don't know what to believe. All I know is Asucks wont fix our proven defected primes that we have right now.
http://www.transformerforums.com/forum/transformer-prime-general-discussions/13235-should-i-keep.html#post133813
People are talking about getting their refund while they can. I'm in the same situation but I got until the 22nd. I got the Champagne model with the dock. These docks are suppose to work with the new TF700 with the strip of plastic on the back, So if there isn't a design fault why not make the back of the new tablet the same as the Prime, Its already in production and would be easy for them to keep up production, everyone knows it’s the back causing these issues. on the new one they are fixing it like they should fix ours.
I would even pay shipping they should do this for everyone who spent their hard earned money and waited months after they paid to get this product only to be disappointed in certain things with it everyone who bought a prime should get the back replaced bottom line!!! It should pick up signals just like my galaxy 10.1 or my phone, it’s only fair. I would like to know if the GPS issue where they took that off the spec sheet is what they call in the legal world as "bait and switch" (LAWSUIT?).
Mine isn't too bad other than the Wi-Fi I get signal drops about every 20 seconds and a little light bleed on right side of screen its really minor in 3 small spots all on the right side of the screen the light bleed comes out about the size of a pencil if you laid it right beside the black in those spots actually one spot is about an inch up the other are about a half inch up the screen. That really don't bother me not noticeable unless on completely black screen and the light is turned up real high.
The guys on the forums have taken the back off and everything. It is a very good read but it proves its a default with Asus but they fixed their Primes themselves its a long thread but worth the read. I think this is going to turn into a modding tablet. At least I hope so, maybe I would keep it or buy another one later. The ones that took them apart got rid of the light-bleed by loosening the screws and playing around to just the right amount of pressure. But with the mods they have done with wires hooked up to the WLAN and GPS connections they got a strong signal and pick up satellites so it is an Asus default, they can’t deny it anymore, So hopefully they make a move at Asucks and fast before I have to send mine back for refund once again. I just wish they would own up and fix the Prime; it would save their reputation and make it a really good tablet that functions as it is suppose to.
Another issue is they probably have so many returns I think people that don't know might be getting screwed over because to be honest, actually I think I got a return sold to me as a brand new Tablet from a reputable source Newegg, I know Newegg would not re-box these so it would have to be Asucks and I think this might be Illegal not Newegg but Asus Selling used items as brand new. I think they may be getting returns that look brand new and boxing them up as new, when they were actually used. As far as mine goes it’s not like it came out of the box where you could tell for sure that it was used but it just didn't look in perfect condition like my other tablets I've opened and it’s been many at least over 10, but it’s very nice to be truthful and I couldn't prove if it was used for sure because it looks new, but I just have a feeling they are taking these returns that people are sending back that are opened already, and used maybe a couple times and selling them again as brand new that's just my opinion.
They have to have a giant pile of used Primes somewhere. Maybe down the line we will see refurbished ones but I haven't saw any yet and I know at least 6 people myself that took back open Primes. With slight use that still looked brand new when they were put back in the box. Sorry for such a long post I just wanted to share my experience and I'm going through the same thing. I don't know whether to ship back because I really do like it. Or If I should just wait it out for Acer or Lenovo to release their Tegra 3s, which is also suppose to have 2GB of ram, that's a huge difference in ram, or just keep what I have and hope Asus will make it right with us.
Waiting for the others Acer and Lenovo seems like it will be forever from what I've read they will release in the second quarter. I think I read somewhere that it is also going to be toward the end of the second quarter. I just can’t see myself holding onto this if it is going to be discontinued and if it will never get it fixed. Someone should start modding them the right person with the right skills. Where they will look nice and clean when finished with the mod. They would make a killing if they could get the Wi-Fi and GPS issue fixed with some sort of plexi or acrylic glass smoothed out on the back like the new one or the IPAD.
First: there is enter button on every keyboard. Use it from time to time.
Second: chaging the back to a plastic one isn't easy because it would require changing a lot of the internal construction (which uses the metal back) - at least from what I read.
I know there is an enter button man, see,
I was just in a hurry I had some schoolwork that needed finished. Deadlines.
Anyways I'm not talking replacing the entire back, just a strip on the back plate. You see what I'm trying to explain. Maybe a half to full inch strip across the back with either - epoxy or glued to the metal plating that's already there.
Maybe even get into design cuts, dragons, tribal, your name, whatever you liked cut out of the back plating. using a dremel or something similar, I don't know what you would cut that back plate with but I assume a dremel would work. then have a thin enough sheet of plexi glass or acrylic, then maybe some LED's, to light it up. I don't know if that would mess with the screen viewing though, just a thought that came as I was looking around my room.
Its just an idea I thought of when I looked over at my Modded Xbox to start modding similar to Xbox mods. Like on mine I have designs cut out and LED's, I have a design cut out of the top on the shell of my JTaged XBOX along with extra fans to keep it cool. It just adds another dimension to our possibilities.
I don't think Asucks is going to fix our primes. I bet they got a junkyard full of primes my third one is going back in a couple days. Light bleed, Bad reception from WiFi. If I go to the farthest place in my house, which is upstairs and back through a hallway and into the farthest bedroom, with all my tablets the prime is 30db less reception than the others?
By the way I wasn't trying to be an ass I was just in a hurry, and trying to get everything wrote down before my test. I had an online test that I had to login to. Sorry for the eyestrain!
my dilemma
so i just got my prime in the mail and have the keyboard for it...
and after reading many of these posts and threads i'm left wondering if i should just return it before i even open the fargin box. i'm actually contemplating opening a thread to get a poll going and see the common idea
I understand where your coming from. Its a crazy situation man. I would at least open it and see how it performs you might have one of the "good ones"? I know mine isn't all that good at least my GPS and WiFi, they suck. I can be in the same room walk 10 feet away and it loses a bar and drops a good amount in WiFi analyzer. That's just crazy. I'm pretty sure mine is going back I like it a lot too. Just if it didn't have those issues.
Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
i caved
so they say curiosity killed the cat... luckily this cat seems to have gotten away ok thus far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492609
i couldn't get the hyperlink to work properly on this tab but i'm sure i'll get it going in the future.
i'm liking it, in summary to the thread i just tried to link to is about how this one is working.
aside from the gps not getting a signal during a day and night of terrible weather, everything else seems to be going good and i can happily say that i think i got a good one... or rather one that works as it is supposed to.
i doubt i'll ever really need the gps functionality as the wifi can give me bing maps or googe maps or mapquest which can work with a little logical deduction, i'm thinking that even if that just doesn't work, i'm really not going to be swayed away from keeping this thing.
so far... me likey
Yeah I really don't want to let mine go either. I was just wondering does light bleed get worse? I can deal with the WiFi because it is acceptable. GPS don't matter to me. I got a cell for that.
The cell letting me connect to my Prime away from home, that is what is one of the things that is leaning me more toward keeping this tablet. I love that patch, I forget the guys name that got it figured out but, thanks again man. If I keep my cell right beside me the Prime stays on 4 bars but sometimes it drops to 3 bars. I'm on 3G but it seems to work decent. I'm thinking of trying a lighter browser for when I do tether.
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Light bleed should NOT get worse over time.
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Well... don't sweat it! I've got my Prime a few weeks ago and love it deeply. I come from the 'original' TF101 and I have (had) both with the keyboard dock. Light bleed is the same as with the previous model (little better). GPS, nah who uses THAT on their tablets anyway? As for WiFi, just works great and in comparison, just google for ipad wifi issues. My girlfriend has an ipad2 and it too has wifi issues (and not my prime or laptops). Keep it, use it, love it, that's my advise.
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Thanks for the replies on the questions that I did have. Yeah maybe I should have put this in general section, but the main question why I started this thread was to ask about the Prime being discontinued. Or if this was just a rumor.
I got a few days left to decide if I want to keep mine and if they discontinue it, I'm not going to keep it, its going back. Then I went off on how Asus aint doing SH*T for us, your right about the lack of many questions, but yeah there are some questions in there, along with my rambling about Asus, I'm just pretty pissed off about this man. Anyways if my OP offended you in any way, my bad man.
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There were plenty of questions, I just added them in quotes below. I don't even see the point of your post man, it added nothing beneficial. Thanks to those who answered. I have a better understanding now.
people believe that the Prime is being discontinued already. This is the Q&A Forum I'm newbie, so I asked here. Figured it was the correct area. Just read this thread and I don't know what to believe?
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People are talking about getting their refund while they can. I'm in the same situation but I got until the 22nd.
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I would like to know if the GPS issue where they took that off the spec sheet is what they call in the legal world as "bait and switch"
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I don't know whether to ship back because I really do like it. Or If I should just wait it out for Acer or Lenovo to release their Tegra 3s, which is also suppose to have 2GB of ram, that's a huge difference in ram, or just keep what I have and hope Asus will make it right with us.
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Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
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Yeah I really don't want to let mine go either. I was just wondering does light bleed get worse? I can deal with the WiFi because it is acceptable. GPS don't matter to me. I got a cell for that.
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Completely dumb thread based on false info and specualtion. Prime is not being discontinued. New TF-300 is not a replacement for the prime. Its actually a lower specs n lower price device aimed St different market. Its more like an OG transformer 1.5. New tf-700 is not a rreplacement for prime either. Aimed at a higher end market with its HD display. Not worth the extra$100 IMO. When there hasn't been any official tests or stats shown that plastic strip on back of its metal backcover actually improves wireless reception.
So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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so i just got my prime in the mail and have the keyboard for it...
and after reading many of these posts and threads i'm left wondering if i should just return it before i even open the fargin box. i'm actually contemplating opening a thread to get a poll going and see the common idea
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Don't. As its pointless and will get shut down. Good working primes clearly outnumber faulty ones. Poll will immediately show to keep it. All other polls have same result. Majority satisfied with their prime and keeping it.
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I understand where your coming from. Its a crazy situation man. I would at least open it and see how it performs you might have one of the "good ones"? I know mine isn't all that good at least my GPS and WiFi, they suck. I can be in the same room walk 10 feet away and it loses a bar and drops a good amount in WiFi analyzer. That's just crazy. I'm pretty sure mine is going back I like it a lot too. Just if it didn't have those issues.
Does ANYONE know the release date for the Acer or the Lenovo. I'm more interested in the Lenovo. Asus needs some competition, like right now or soon, so that they get the point when people stop buying this Prime until its fixed. They don't care because people are still buying them.
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No new competitive tablets you mentioned will be out anytime soon. June the earliest. Too long of a wait IMO. By then Nvidia already will be ready to announce n roll out tegra4 devices. We one step ahead of the game..lol
Prime really aint as bad as I originally thought.
Completely dumb thread based on false info and specualtion. Prime is not being discontinued. New TF-300 is not a replacement for the prime. Its actually a lower specs n lower price device aimed St different market. Its more like an OG transformer 1.5. New tf-700 is not a rreplacement for prime either. Aimed at a higher end market with its HD display. Not worth the extra$100 IMO. When there hasn't been any official tests or stats shown that plastic strip on back of its metal backcover actually improves wireless reception.
So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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I didn't say that I believed anything that's why I asked here in the Q&A forum, I assume the forum is for questions. To be honest, now that I've used my Prime for a few days I'm liking it the more I use it, and just to clear up another issue I read in another thread not all primes are affected by the new update. I got the latest update with no battery drain or SOD issues, I don't think I'm going to send it back anymore, I've grown to like this bad boy.
Its not really as bad compared to what I've read hear about some others. They have major Issues. I just don't want something to happen down the road that gives me all the lockups and random reboots that some others are having.
So you got a laugh on me, glad that I could make you smile man. You didn't spill your coffee or anything did you? j/k man, I come in peace for real. I'm just new to this tablet and all I seem to hear is bad news.
The only thing wrong with mine is problems I have I stated, not a very good reception and slight light bleed, but its not to bad at least the light bleed, you don't even notice it unless the tablet is all the way black and light is up above 60-70%. I guess I can deal with the reception. I still get 2 bars but I forget what I get upstairs on WiFi Analyzer, I know its like 20-25 less db than my phone, the Prime will drop down 20-25 db and come back up every couple minutes. Don't know why the Prime does this. I will have to search the forums about that.
I don't believe everything I read I guess I should have made my post more clear. I was just asking a question in a Question thread, isn't that what the this forum is for?
But peace, man for real though the questions I asked about was because I had no Idea and it seemed like I was going to have all these issues that others were reporting because of my weak WiFi and no GPS. I thought that was a sign of a bad Prime. I don't even really see me using the GPS anyways and if I did I could just tether my phone or use my phone, It has a big enough screen at 4.5". I just got this thing and I"m used to a strong connection from all my devices - Galaxy Tab, Touchpad, Viewsonic GTablet, 2 Nooks, and phone.
Just return it.
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I didn't say that I believed anything that's why I asked here in the Q&A forum, I assume the forum is for questions. To be honest, now that I've used my Prime for a few days I'm liking it the more I use it, and just to clear up another issue I read in another thread not all primes are affected by the new update. I got the latest update with no battery drain or SOD issues, I don't think I'm going to send it back anymore, I've grown to like this bad boy.
Its not really as bad compared to what I've read hear about some others. They have major Issues. I just don't want something to happen down the road that gives me all the lockups and random reboots that some others are having.
So you got a laugh on me, glad that I could make you smile man. You didn't spill your coffee or anything did you? j/k man, I come in peace for real. I'm just new to this tablet and all I seem to hear is bad news.
The only thing wrong with mine is problems I have I stated, not a very good reception and slight light bleed, but its not to bad at least the light bleed, you don't even notice it unless the tablet is all the way black and light is up above 60-70%. I guess I can deal with the reception. I still get 2 bars but I forget what I get upstairs on WiFi Analyzer, I know its like 20-25 less db than my phone, the Prime will drop down 20-25 db and come back up every couple minutes. Don't know why the Prime does this. I will have to search the forums about that.
I don't believe everything I read I guess I should have made my post more clear. I was just asking a question in a Question thread, isn't that what the this forum is for?
But peace, man for real though the questions I asked about was because I had no Idea and it seemed like I was going to have all these issues that others were reporting because of my weak WiFi and no GPS. I thought that was a sign of a bad Prime. I don't even really see me using the GPS anyways and if I did I could just tether my phone or use my phone, It has a big enough screen at 4.5". I just got this thing and I"m used to a strong connection from all my devices - Galaxy Tab, Touchpad, Viewsonic GTablet, 2 Nooks, and phone.
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Fair enough. You explained your situation well. If you think you may have a wifi range issue confirm it with wifi analyzer. Don't go by bars on prime wifi, not a good indicator. There are plenty out there that get strong connections. If you think its not working right, just exchange it. Or you could try forgetting your network, then rebooting and see if that fixes it. All wifi devices will vary but the prime should be on par with your other devices. Mines is on par with my Ipad and Atrix 4g.
What firmware are you on? If not on the latest update, get on it. Plus we have another update coming early next week.
Also if it has bad light bleed, in your opinion, then just exchange it also. Don't settle for it. You can just exchange it and get a fully capable device.
I won't lie... I was eager upon opening this thread, only to be greeted by this disappointing amount of ranting found within.
I considered sifting for questions... but then decided to make a sandwich instead.
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So believe into the senseless rumors if you want. Some people are so gullible..lmfao we already have tons of dev. Support n this ship will keep ln moving. Stop believing every single dang thing you hear on the internet..lmao. no proof at all to suggest Prime being discontinued. If anything. Production on it has been amped up.
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I will agree that the prime isn't "dead", but I will say ASUCKS has screwed this one so bad that there is no way production will continue as long as it was intended. I highly doubt that save a major MAJOR redesign of the tab, we will be seeing stock coming in for more than a ~2 mths past the TF700 series, despite what ASUCKS claims. If, and thats a big IF, the new TF700 or 300 for that matter has rectified our wifi/bluetooth/GPS problems, then production on the 201s will halt. Right now, as we speak, ASUCKS is trying to figure out how the hell they are going to weather the storm that is the blowup of the prime in their face. There's not a single techy I know that isn't aware of these issues, and most average consumers get their recommendations from us.
I would also venture to say that production has dropped, not to be argumentative demandarin, but the fact that stores can't get stock and RMAs are taking forever isn't because people are buying the hell out of these things, but because of the incredibly high return rate. Its because they know they have a serious design flaw that really can't be fixed baring admitting they originally lied when they said "we don't have any issues, we don't know what you all are talking about". And they certainly cannot admit that now with the pending lawsuit. This has been proven by huge retailers like Clove, Staples, and even AMAZON refusing to sell the damn thing due to high return rates. Honestly, when was the last time a retailer refused to sell a product before the manufacturer recalled it? So they have to weather the storm and hope that enough face can be saved and the TF 700/300 doesn't flop. They definitely lost alot of customers though, ALOT of people aren't happy, including my 2 classmates who got BC serials from bestbuy. On a side note, Staples has taken an official stance it seems to stop selling again despite the C1 reiteration they "promised" me would fix all my problems. Guess I have to return it for cash/giftcard this time around.
I've been an early adopter all my life. I am that asshole who waits in line at best buy to get the XBOX on opening night, and picked up the SGN on launch day. I used to have great faith in asus, loved them and their products, this was a naaaaasty flop. I'll be holding out until we get our new MWC announcements and see what kind of functionality the other manufacturers can bring. It's going to be really hard for me to be an early adopter of ASUcks again though.
Also I get the whole T700 premium tablet arguement, I dont want the high res display either, those pixels dont matter on a 10" screen and it'll do nothing but eat my battery/performance for $100, but imo working wifi at the hospital, which is mainly where I'll use it, is more important to me, and well worth $100 for a solid build that acer is likely to lack and working wifi/geolocation/bluetooth.
Honestly though if you can get a working prime that satisfies your needs, I'll be the first to say keep it. The device is unparalleled when working properly. Unfortunately I cannot justify paying ~500 for a tablet that won't give me continuous wifi in my hospital setting where walls are abundant, and I cant bluetooth my Breaking Bad audio to ignore vampire gayness. *high five demandarin*
sry, that was long, back to psych final studyin =\
I really do not mean to brag here but I have been reading this forum a lot since I got my prime on Thursday. And I hate to hear so many people have so many issues with the device but I honestly do not have one complaint. The wifi signal does weaken where i feel it shouldn't and I have not even tried GPS (why would I? Don't need to know the exact coordinates of my living room). But these are not even close to being dealbreakers imo. Battery lasts me over a day of use. Does not get hot when charging. Minimal light bleed only visible on boot screen. No dead pixels. I mean seriously this thing is absolutley perfect for me. Just my experience of course.
BTW. On ics version .13. Rooted. C1 serial #
And the chrome beta is lightning fast for me. This morning I tethered off my infuse 4g and it was probably the most responsive browser experience I've ever had in my entire life...mobile or otherwise (not exaggerating...it was thinking for me...haha)
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Although I have had the same experience, this could have been posted in the Positive Prime thread. Much like how every complaint should be consolidated into one complaint thread.
Thanks. Just found that thread 10 secs ago. That's was a good idea btw.
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I really do not mean to brag here
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You got lucky. Other's, not so much. The biggest problem with the Prime isn't that it has issues, it's that they're completely random and vary from device-to-device regardless of build date.
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I really do not mean to brag here but I have been reading this other forum a lot since I got my shiny new stainless steel, french door refrigerator. I hate to hear so many people have so many issues with the device but I honestly do not have one complaint. The ice cubes are a little small and there aren't really that many of them and I have not even tried the water dispenser (why would I? Don't need water when I have all that beer in there). But these are not even close to being dealbreakers imo. Case of cold beer lasts me over a day of use. Does not frost when running. Minimal light bleed only visible with door open. No dead pixels in temp display. I mean seriously this thing is absolutley perfect for me. Just my experience of course.
He is fully obligated to make his own thread also. All the complaint ones do it. Things about to start changing around here soon. This thread might be wwhat sparks it off. Read other thread on consolidation of complaints for details. Good working prime owners about to stsrt doing the ssame thing, which we have a right to. People want to make a new thread for every complaint. OK. Good prime owners will make one for every good thing about our tablet. Don't let it come to this. Good working primes have showed in every poll they outnumber complaint one, by a large margin. Not just a lil bit more. Don't make the Positive Transformer thread start expanding and assimilating everything that comes in sight! Lmfao. If the complaint ones can have loads of threads on same complaints, then the good working ones can have even more on what works great....lol. those will quickly push down all complaint threads. Except for sticky ones
So start consolidating complaint threads or else! Lmfao
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Good working prime owners about to stsrt doing the ssame thing, which we have a right to.
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I totally agree! Let the first person who has a good working Prime(definition is one which does everything Asus claimed in their original specs and descriptions, without any problems) be the first to start the "I have a good working Prime" thread. Just having Tegra 3 because Asus listed it in the specs does not make it a good working Prime, even if they were the first. After all, other products we buy are expected to perform as advertised or they are not considered good working.
Please remember good working does not mean some things work and some don't. That would be similar to being a little bit pregnant! Lmfao!
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I totally agree! Let the first person who has a good working Prime(definition is one which does everything Asus claimed in their original specs and descriptions, without any problems) be the first to start the "I have a good working Prime" thread. Just having Tegra 3 because Asus listed it in the specs does not make it a good working Prime, even if they were the first. After all, other products we buy are expected to perform as advertised or they are not considered good working.
Please remember good working does not mean some things work and some don't. That would be similar to being a little bit pregnant! Lmfao!
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I was more so joking but it has been suggested to me by several people through PM. Plus GPS is removed from Asus spec. That's a dead issue really. Plus working good prime means works good up to how the person sees fit. Just like a displeased person might see an issue because it doesn't works to how they see fit. So people really don't want to go there.
But along with others the trend will continue tl constantly report repeat complaint threads. No sense in having 80 .13 firmware update threads or battery ones. They will soon get shut down one by one. Seen plenty others get shut down like that. Its completely fine to have complaint threads. But not several ones on exact same thing. They could easily be merged. That's all I'm saying. Which is fair enough.
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He is fully obligated to make his own thread also. All the complaint ones do it. Things about to start changing around here soon. This thread might be wwhat sparks it off. Read other thread on consolidation of complaints for details. Good working prime owners about to stsrt doing the ssame thing, which we have a right to. People want to make a new thread for every complaint. OK. Good prime owners will make one for every good thing about our tablet. Don't let it come to this. Good working primes have showed in every poll they outnumber complaint one, by a large margin. Not just a lil bit more. Don't make the Positive Transformer thread start expanding and assimilating everything that comes in sight! Lmfao. If the complaint ones can have loads of threads on same complaints, then the good working ones can have even more on what works great....lol. those will quickly push down all complaint threads. Except for sticky ones
So start consolidating complaint threads or else! Lmfao
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I totally agree with this and may just make a thread about how much I enjoy using mine answer how it works great for what I need it to do. Then I can rehash the same things already in a few other threads, but at least it will help balance out some of this bias that appears to the sheer numbers of problem threads all covering the same thing
This is not a contest of whether lovers or haters can have more posts. The number of happy owner threads will never surpass the number of unhappy owner threads for one simple reason. The resolve of an unhappy customer is much greater than that of a happy owner.
As an example, a pissed-off customer will usually never in his lifetime deal with the company which slighted him in his opinion. But a happy customer may quickly lose his loyalty, and be drawn away, if another company offers a superior product at a much better price. Loyalty is for sale but disdain is much more enduring and has a much higher price.
A scorned woman is an excellent comparison!
Adding my voice to the happy customer pile. My Prime has been awesome. I've owned it for a week now and I don't have any complaints. The wifi signal certainly isn't as strong as my HTC EVO 3D but since I'm tethered to that more often than not it's never really been an issue.
The keyboard dock has REALLY increased the productivity potential of this device. Myself and my boss both got identical models within days of each other and have been testing the Primes in business applications while on the road. I can honestly say that I haven't missed my laptop yet.
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Adding my voice to the happy customer pile. My Prime has been awesome. I've owned it for a week now and I don't have any complaints. The wifi signal certainly isn't as strong as my HTC EVO 3D but since I'm tethered to that more often than not it's never really been an issue.
The keyboard dock has REALLY increased the productivity potential of this device. Myself and my boss both got identical models within days of each other and have been testing the Primes in business applications while on the road. I can honestly say that I haven't missed my laptop yet.
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I am also happy with my prime, even with a non working gps (Non issue for me) wifi works just fine so far and it is the fastest tablet I had to date. I also got the matching keyboard dock (lucky that BB had the last one in my color ) which has made the tablet that much better for me.
i don't know about that one there are people in this thread who have turned in there primes like 6 or 7 times until they get a good working one. I think people realize the potential of this tablet and are willing to put up with the minor imperfections such as the non or so so working gps.
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This is not a contest of whether lovers or haters can have more posts. The number of happy owner threads will never surpass the number of unhappy owner threads for one simple reason. The resolve of an unhappy customer is much greater than that of a happy owner.
As an example, a pissed-off customer will usually never in his lifetime deal with the company which slighted him in his opinion. But a happy customer may quickly lose his loyalty, and be drawn away, if another company offers a superior product at a much better price. Loyalty is for sale but disdain is much more enduring and has a much higher price.
A scorned woman is an excellent comparison!
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i don't know about that one there are people in this thread who have turned in there primes like 6 or 7 times until they get a good working one. I think people realize the potential of this tablet and are willing to put up with the minor imperfections such as the non or so so working gps.
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Try 12 times...yup 12 times...I went through 12 Primes lol..how's that for determination?
I don't mind the whining and complaining threads but I absolutely can't stand these happy threads and it's not because of jealousy!
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Try 12 times...yup 12 times...I went through 12 Primes lol..how's that for determination?
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Wow.. definitely determination.. There is another guy who is on this 8th looking a 9th. Could the tables be turned significantly if we measured not by happy prime owners versus non happy prime owners, but primes kept versus primes returned?? Hmmmmm... you have 12, the other guy has 8, I have 3.5 and thats just 3 of us..
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Wow.. definitely determination.. There is another guy who is on this 8th looking a 9th. Could the tables be turned significantly if we measured not by happy prime owners versus non happy prime owners, but primes kept versus primes returned?? Hmmmmm... you have 12, the other guy has 8, I have 3.5 and thats just 3 of us..
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lol I say determination but my friends think I'm in need of an intervention. I blame myself for the whole fiasco. The first one that I bought was actually good but after reading all the posts I got "paranoid" and though my wifi was weak so I tried another. Basically 2 to 11 was really bad, bad like clumps of dead pixels, horrible light bleed and so on. At one point I actually had 6 of them laid out on the floor with each one running wifi analyzer lol...Needless to say I love the Prime and don't regret going through what I did to find the "one".
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lol I say determination but my friends think I'm in need of an intervention. I blame myself for the whole fiasco. The first one that I bought was actually good but after reading all the posts I got "paranoid" and though my wifi was weak so I tried another. Basically 2 to 11 was really bad, bad like clumps of dead pixels, horrible light bleed and so on. At one point I actually had 6 of them laid out on the floor with each one running wifi analyzer lol...Needless to say I love the Prime and don't regret going through what I did to find the "one".
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Of course who wouldn't love a prime that would meet their standards, but for some there is a long journey ahead... or luck.
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You got lucky. Other's, not so much. The biggest problem with the Prime isn't that it has issues, it's that they're completely random and vary from device-to-device regardless of build date.
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The other factors would be expectations and tolerance.
Prime purchaser must have those set correctly.
As OP said that his Prime wifi is weak and he accepted it. And he might ignore completely non working GPS. While other users might go mad and scream out loud.
There you go, roll your dice and be prepared to accept less and / or inferior one.
Once you do that, you are definitely a happy Prime owner.
Sure, you are entitled to brag that. That's very difficult.
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I wish I get a chance to be that determined. I want to buy from local stores but they run out of stock real quick everytime the shipments get in. Boo! Maybe I have to buy online which I prefer not to.