I just wonder if we can have dual boot like two ROMs selectable at the time of boot? Or, at least two user accounts selectable right after boot having different settings and data?
My family members like my streak so much so that they borrow my streak frequently for a day or two. I don't want to say no but at the same time don't even want them to have a peek into my settings and data.
Yes, I do use various data locking programs but I just wanna have two identities just like we have in windows PC.
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ammujee said:
I just wonder if we can have dual boot like two ROMs selectable at the time of boot? Or, at least two user accounts selectable right after boot having different settings and data?
My family members like my streak so much so that they borrow my streak frequently for a day or two. I don't want to say no but at the same time don't even want them to have a peek into my settings and data.
Yes, I do use various data locking programs but I just wanna have two identities just like we have in windows PC.
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if i not mistaken... the kernel have some limitation... so it is not possible to have dual boot or something similar...
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if i not mistaken... the kernel have some limitation... so it is not possible to have dual boot or something similar...
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Well I read here that it's possible with an application called Bootmanager. Most just afraid to try that out before getting a good ahead from senior developers like n0p, theManii etc. Link to the lifehacker article http://m.lifehacker.com/5826050/how-to-dual-boot-multiple-roms-on-your-android-phone
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Well if you're so die hard to try it go ahead and brick or boot loop your phone. If you took a few more minutes to do the research you'd find out dual booting is mainly kernel specific and also specific to devices with open source drivers
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The possibility of bricking crossed my mind also and due to my limited knowledge of correlating so many ifs and buts, I preferred to ask you more knowledgeable ones. Thanks for saving me from bricking my phone.
BTW, isn't that a possible feature which can be incorporated in DSC phoenix kernel?
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The possibility of bricking crossed my mind also and due to my limited knowledge of correlating so many ifs and buts, I preferred to ask you more knowledgeable ones. Thanks for saving me from bricking my phone.
BTW, isn't that a possible feature which can be incorporated in DSC phoenix kernel?
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how possible to do dual boot when bootmanager itself dont support it? lol...
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how possible to do dual boot when bootmanager itself dont support it? lol...
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Spreading some knowledge would be much appreciated. There were times when even GB and CWM6 were not supported. Now we have 70% working ICS and 95% working CWM6, and FYKI none are officially supported.
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Spreading some knowledge would be much appreciated. There were times when even GB and CWM6 were not supported. Now we have 70% working ICS and 95% working CWM6, and FYKI none are officially supported.
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and developer choose not to support streak... try emailing them and see what they reply...
I do understand why developers refrain from supporting streak, the only reason is that Dell itself has abandoned its masterpiece without much user feedback. We had and still have hopes with a handful of selfless developers here on xda without whom we all would had a brick thrown somewhere in drawers.
I still prefer streak over galaxy note due to the exact maximum size where u can access every corner with your thumbs.
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There is a really hacky way to do it on pretty much all phones: take over the recovery.img and use that to boot.
But it's really ugly in that you must boot as if you were entering the recovery.
I believe that converting a rom and kernal to do that isnt that difficult, but there's just as many downsides as there are upsides, and the kernal+rom must be specifically designed to do so.
You cant simply flash a 2nd rom like that and expect it to work.
There was another device not too long ago that got 'dual-boot' that way on the xda news feed.
The right way would be like using MAGLDR for the HD2 where it takes over the boot process entirely (i think) and lets you choose, but I think the roms need to be written to boot from whereever (ie NAND/SD).
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Is it possible to run another android rom from the sd card and dualbooting so you could basically try out roms?
The hd2 is capable of this through bootloaders like magldr or clk. What are our chances of doing this?
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When a computer does this some special software is needed so it can recognize the different bootloaders of each, so our phone would need the same thing .... i remember sombionix tried this like more than a year ago but abandoned the project because of the impossible issues, i can also imagine it being memory intensive
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Is it possible to run another android rom from the sd card and dualbooting so you could basically try out roms?
The hd2 is capable of this through bootloaders like magldr or clk. What are our chances of doing this?
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I just came to vibrant from HD2 and according to what i know, hd2 is able to dual boot because the bootloader was written from scratch by developer Cotulla. HD2 has a large developers base due to which hd2 was finally able to run andriod perfectly. It might be possible for samsung vibrant to dual boot, but since samsung hasnt provided source code for the bootloader (and probably wont), the only option will be to start from scratch which will require a lot of work. So if developers dont find any other ways to dual boot other than making a new bootloader, it might be really difficult to do that.
So your saying we need Cotulla to buy a vibrant?
Someone want to ship one to his doorstep as a gift and request a bootloader?
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So your saying we need Cotulla to buy a vibrant?
Someone want to ship one to his doorstep as a gift and request a bootloader?
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Lol collaborate and buy a dev a phone kinda like how evo users did the same for cyanogenmod? Nice
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I wanted to have a dual boot for 2of my ROMS... one wud be Cm7 and other CM9... so is there any bootstrap or Safestrap available for Atric 4g? I searched on XDA as well as Googled through many pages but was left unanswered
Any help Appreciated
I think this particular soc won't allow for it without making a boot rom mounting system
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I think this particular soc won't allow for it without making a boot rom mounting system
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I have no clue wats Boot Rom Mounting system... Any hellp details plzzz
What he means is this: It probably isn't possible.
I believe it is possible, and a couple of people have attempted half heartedly to do it, but unless someone who has the knowledge to do this right is to pick this up and run with it, it won't happen. I doubt you would see this on the Atrix now in any event, as there are not enought devs to go around, and the devs we have are working on ROM's and kernels.
Sorry, i couldnt find anything either, but It would be pretty awesome to have DualBoot on my Atrix.
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It would be cool
Well tbere's always the next device mayb it will be able to
There is a post for making boot manager work on the ATRIX I am currently using it but you have to install zip in cwm to boot rom1 and recover boot thro advanced restore for your main ROM
Hit thanks if this was helpful
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Well, what about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508017
It's in the Xperia's development forum, yeah, but the Atrix 4G is definitely a GSM phone, so I don't see why this kernel wouldn't work. Of course, I don't know anything about the technical stuff behind it--could we get a second opinion on this?
I really want to be able to have the Neutrino ROM on my phone along with a Blur-based ROM so I can use my Webtop.
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Well, what about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508017
It's in the Xperia's development forum, yeah, but the Atrix 4G is definitely a GSM phone, so I don't see why this kernel wouldn't work. Of course, I don't know anything about the technical stuff behind it--could we get a second opinion on this?
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Different manufacturers, different devices, different hardware, won't work!
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Different manufacturers, different devices, different hardware, won't work!
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Well, that's a downer. Thanks, man.
I don't know if it can help,
but Multi-Boot ROMS worked on Motorola Defy,
I guess it's possible for atrix too, perhaps some dev take a good look here at this LINK
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I don't know if it can help,
but Multi-Boot ROMS worked on Motorola Defy,
I guess it's possible for atrix too, perhaps some dev take a good look here at this LINK
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The only problem with that is that the Defy has completely different hardware.
Remember the HD2 days and other random "high end" devices with dual boot capabilities? Now obviously the photon is one of the top phones out right now and it would be amazing to be able to boot into a rom of my choice without going through nandroid. A true multi boot. Cm9 is my daily rom but sometimes I miss miui which was my daily on my x10 and the occasional gingerbread. But as you all know cm9 is still in beta with random issues. Like for example, video recording and video chat(flaky). So to be able to switch to a miui rom or a stable gingerbread rom withen seconds just from a simple reboot would be fantastic. I remember reading an article on the xda portal that the dual boot days have not got the light it deserves and I think its time to bring it back. If there are any devs on the photon forum willing to tackle this and show progress I will donate a reasonably good amount as I'm sure others will too.
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Well I know when I was on the Evo a lot of people used Boot Manager for booting multiple roms at once. It doesn't look like the Photon is one of their supported devices right now, so you may want to email the developer.
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The developer of the boot manager finally emailed me back and pretty much doubts support for the photon. He says the photon does not allow the app permission to use the boot partition. Could someone with better knowledge of this please explain? And will the photon ever allow access to the boot partition or is it just the way it was designed
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The developer of the boot manager finally emailed me back and pretty much doubts support for the photon. He says the photon does not allow the app permission to use the boot partition. Could someone with better knowledge of this please explain? And will the photon ever allow access to the boot partition or is it just the way it was designed
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Sounds like the developer isn't aware our bootloader has been unlocked. /boot houses the bootloader and the kernel. You need an unlocked bootloader to write to it, hence why you need to be unlocked to flash a kernel (boot.img). Using the same logic, that's why none of the roms for locked phones have a kernel.
I've never used the tool in question but I'd reply back and see if the above info affects the compatibility.
I messaged him back about that and this is his response.
" The bootloader on the photon is unlocked but it's not fully open. I could be wrong because we've tested many phones but I beleive when we tested on the photon we could not dump the boot.img or flash a new one while the phone was booted. It had to be done from recovery. We've released a lite version of the app that you can download from free and put in your devices variables and see if the phone setup will work(That tries to make a backup of the current boot.img on the device for later use) but would tell us if the app had access. We had this issue with some of the other moto phone's with unlocked bootloaders such as the Atrix."
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So can any of u photon experts help this guy out? Or is it just simply not possible..
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Hey everyone.
I've been reading that siyah kernel will soon allow dual booting. I'm still learning android stuff so I don't know what this means exactly.
Dual booting means we could install another OS on the SGS3? If that's so, could it be possible to install WP8?
Crazy question, I know.
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Sensamic said:
Hey everyone.
I've been reading that siyah kernel will soon allow dual booting. I'm still learning android stuff so I don't know what this means exactly.
Dual booting means we could install another OS on the SGS3? If that's so, could it be possible to install WP8?
Crazy question, I know.
Thanks.
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Another ROM based on Android. Nope not WP8 lol.
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It would be mad tho... One week I have an android, the next a totally different phone Wp8 niceeee.... i wish
Windows is all closed so by doing it your would be breaking the law. You could I. Theory duel boot web os though
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Windows is all closed so by doing it your would be breaking the law. You could I. Theory duel boot web os though
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+ WP8 wouldn't work without locked bootloader since MS requires it.
The only alternative could be Mozilla's Boot to Gecko since it's also based on Linux, but at it's current state, it's not really usable (and by the time it's mature enough, you have most likely already moved to SGS4 or SGS5 )
Forget about windows phones. This question has been asked million times the answer is big no....
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TIZEN!!!
Decent chance we will get a WebOS port which will be interesting, dual booting will certainly come in handy then.
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does anyone have one?
You can't possibly be serious...
Have you ever seen a CM ROM that had webtop?
USE THE DAMN SEARCH FEATURE AND THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE, PEOPLE!
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does anyone have one?
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Lmfao!
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It was an honest question I guess. I mean with the new kernel it's at least somewhat possible now.
The only sad part is that no one cares about webtop.
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It was an honest question I guess. I mean with the new kernel it's at least somewhat possible now.
The only sad part is that no one cares about webtop.
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Its not. Is impossible. Hell, not even cm7 has webtop.
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Thank you, I am disappointed, but should have expected this seeing as it is this phone. One thing I am confused on is that in twrp backup it says there is a webtop partition.
What's so confusing about that? Of course there is the webtop partition, why wouldn't it be there?
The storage allocated to webtop doesn't just simply disappear into thin air just because CM ROMs can't make use of it.
So I am losing 150 megs to this partition?
Where did you come up with this number now??
The size of the webtop partition is about 756 MB. However this is just a partition like any other and you are free to repurpose it if you know how. There are other threads that deal with this if you care to search.
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Thank you, I am disappointed, but should have expected this seeing as it is this phone. One thing I am confused on is that in twrp backup it says there is a webtop partition.
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"should have expected this seeing as it is this phone."??? Jeez, why get our phone if you're going to refer to it as if its a disease or something. AFAIK, no CM has webtop support, something you clearly could have used the search bar for to figure that out. But you know, ppl can't do searches anymore. Oh well.
For our device, we have the following partitions that are important for ROMs and everyday use: boot, system, data, cache, and osh. boot is where the boot.img goes, system is where the main system goes, data and cache are for app data, saved settings, ect, and on custom ROMs, osh is an extended system partition while on a stock ROM it is used for webtop.
Please do your homework before posting and creating pointless threads like this in the future. You have 3 sr members who have posted on this thread. We know what we're talking about and have been here since the beginning (I joined up late, but was following since the release). This device has been out for 3 years now. If you have a question about something, chances are very high (99.999% (I won't say 100% just in case)) that the question/topic/issue has already been discussed/brought up/investigated/researched/identified/fixed/etc.
The kernel for AtrICS/CM9/CM10.1 remains our focus at the moment, because these are the three most stable and advanced ROMs we have. CM10.2 does exist, however it has major data/network issues that need work with. When the current kernel project is complete, or at least as complete as we can get it with the maximum amount of stability, if krystian or a developer would like to do so, a 4.3/4.4 kernel will be worked on. I remain doubtful that we will see that day, but I do not give up hope.
Furthermore, webtop is dead. All current devices have tablet mode, which is merely projecting your home screen onto a tv/monitor.
TWRP says it is 150
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Anyway, I wasn't asking if there was a ROM with webtop, I asked if there was a way to install one. I have searched in the past, and found something called Ubuntop. Can that work with this ROM?
Also, does TWRP do a bit-for-bit backup or by file? Because It takes a long time to even back up empty partitions like cache after a wipe.
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Anyway, I wasn't asking if there was a ROM with webtop, I asked if there was a way to install one. I have searched in the past, and found something called Ubuntop. Can that work with this ROM?
Also, does TWRP do a bit-for-bit backup or by file? Because It takes a long time to even back up empty partitions like cache after a wipe.
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As stated several times before, rather for the past 3 years for that matter, no CM ROM has webtop support. There are 2 classifications of ROMs (stock and custom), and a handful of types of ROMs in one of those classifications. If its clearly stated that no custom ROM supports webtop, what is left?
Furthermore, you do not read. Go back, re-read that ubuntop thread. Come back and tell this thread: 1) when was it created. 2) what classification of ROM it pertains to (custom or stock) 3) what android version does it apply to. 4) what webtop version does it apply to.
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