For people that haven't seen this:
http://www.informationweek.com/mobility/smart-phones/nexus-5-details-emerge/240162293
This is for people that were trying to decide between the G2 and N5.
This just confirms what we already know but I thought people might wanna see this.
LG G2 FTW!
-Matt
ghedoicy said:
LG G2 FTW!
-Matt
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Totally. The good thing is that a port will be a lot easier since all of the component's are the same, save for the camera. But it still has the OIS.
8mp, 2300 mah.... move along, nothing to see here
Hopefully it speeds up development... I was expecting a few ROMs to be out already, even at this stage.
-Matt
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Hopefully it speeds up development... I was expecting a few ROMs to be out already, even at this stage.
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Few roms would be nice IF they all had different features to add. Right now we have multiple roms that are very similar... I hope to see a lot of built in mods/xposed framework
Our big problem is the following:
The Nexus 5 will have normal volume/power keys (i.e at the side of the device). I'm pretty certain that because of this, it will have no Knock-ON feature.
Even if it will be easy to port the Nexus 5 Kitkat stock ROM to the LG G2, I don't think any G2 owner here will trade the Knock-ON feature for KitKat.
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Our big problem is the following:
The Nexus 5 will have normal volume/power keys (i.e at the side of the device). I'm pretty certain that because of this, it will have no Knock-ON feature.
Even if it will be easy to port the Nexus 5 Kitkat stock ROM to the LG G2, I don't think any G2 owner here will trade the Knock-ON feature for KitKat.
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KnockON is great, but it isn't really anything revolutionary. I love the feature, especially with the back buttons, but I also had similar functionality back with my GNex. I believe the modification is in the kernel, so I don't really see a reason that we won't be able to have it on AOSP roms. Am I missing something?
Knock knock will not be a feature of Nexus 5 irrespective of the placement of volume keys.
Noam23 said:
Our big problem is the following:
The Nexus 5 will have normal volume/power keys (i.e at the side of the device). I'm pretty certain that because of this, it will have no Knock-ON feature.
Even if it will be easy to port the Nexus 5 Kitkat stock ROM to the LG G2, I don't think any G2 owner here will trade the Knock-ON feature for KitKat.
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Whoa whoa whoa. I wouldn't say trade people wouldn't want to trade the Knock-On feature for KitKat. We don't know what kind of features will be in KitKat. Who knows there could be something really cool.
I think what you were trying to say is does any G2 owner willing to trade their G2 for a Nexus 5 just to get KitKat early in November. I think the answer is NO but we all still want the KnockOn feature with KitKat ideally and it should come in early 2014.
Noam23 said:
Our big problem is the following:
The Nexus 5 will have normal volume/power keys (i.e at the side of the device). I'm pretty certain that because of this, it will have no Knock-ON feature.
Even if it will be easy to port the Nexus 5 Kitkat stock ROM to the LG G2, I don't think any G2 owner here will trade the Knock-ON feature for KitKat.
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Depends on what 4.4 has to offer, it may be minor update for all we know. Plus we can flash back and forth between the two roms all day long.... also how long will it take for another dev to make a similar feature? If not we will have to see what 4.4 has to offer
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Depends on what 4.4 has to offer, it may be minor update for all we know. Plus we can flash back and forth between the two roms all day long.... also how long will it take for another dev to make a similar feature? If not we will have to see what 4.4 has to offer
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No matter what KitKat has to offer, Knock-ON is a necessity for many of us. For example, how will you turn the device ON when situated in the car holder, or while you run and it's in an arm-band, or even if it's just on the desk ?
The G2 without the Knock-ON feature becomes a severely crippled device.
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No matter what KitKat has to offer, Knock-ON is a necessity for many of us. For example, how will you turn the device ON when situated in the car stand, or while you run with it and it's in an arm-band, or even if it's just on the desk ?
The G2 without the Knock-ON feature becomes a severely crippled device.
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First off it may bother some but I could live without... plus you can always use apps like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ponury.pgm2free&hl=en
to do the same just enable the "doubletap2wake"
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Whoa whoa whoa. I wouldn't say trade people wouldn't want to trade the Knock-On feature for KitKat. We don't know what kind of features will be in KitKat. Who knows there could be something really cool.
I think what you were trying to say is does any G2 owner willing to trade their G2 for a Nexus 5 just to get KitKat early in November. I think the answer is NO but we all still want the KnockOn feature with KitKat ideally and it should come in early 2014.
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My point was, that if you want KitKat ASAP with your G2, your best bet would be a Nexus 5 ported ROM. But, by going this route, I predict you'll lose Knock-On.
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joshuadjohnson22 said:
First off it may bother some but I could live without... plus you can always use apps like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ponury.pgm2free&hl=en
to do the same just enable the "doubletap2wake"
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That's very interesting. If this solution is as battery efficient as Knock-ON (or better), then this is an excellent alternative.
Noam23 said:
Our big problem is the following:
The Nexus 5 will have normal volume/power keys (i.e at the side of the device). I'm pretty certain that because of this, it will have no Knock-ON feature.
Even if it will be easy to port the Nexus 5 Kitkat stock ROM to the LG G2, I don't think any G2 owner here will trade the Knock-ON feature for KitKat.
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I don't understand what the big deal is about knock on... I remember when I had my gnex someone here on the xda forums developed an app that could use gestures with the screen off to wake or to open certain apps... Just check out the "tap tap app" in the market... Surely one of our devs could incorporate this into a rom?
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joshuadjohnson22 said:
First off it may bother some but I could live without... plus you can always use apps like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ponury.pgm2free&hl=en
to do the same just enable the "doubletap2wake"
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Pgm was exactly what I was thinking about, thank-you
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I don't understand what the big deal is about knock on... I remember when I had my gnex someone here on the xda forums developed an app that could use gestures with the screen off to wake or to open certain apps... Just check out the "tap tap app" in the market... Surely one of our devs could incorporate this into a rom?
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Pgm was exactly what I was thinking about, thank-you
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I just tried the "tap tap app" on an older phone and it doesn't work out as nice as Knock On. It doesn't seem to turn off or on the phone with two taps like I expect it would. I would strongly not recommend the "tap tap app" be baked into the ROM. It is not stable enough.
I am certain that the Knock-On feature is a *hardware* feature and not a simple software feature. Of course it can be implemented in software, but at the expense of significantly increased battery usage (the capacitive touchscreen must stay on). It's kind of like implementing active (on-screen) notifications in software, versus optimizing the hardware for it (like it is in the Moto X). Battery life would drop significantly in a software-only solution.
Nexus 5 Lg (D821)
http://phandroid.com/2013/10/06/nexus-5-service-manual-8mp-ois-camera-32gb/
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It's definitely using the sensor on the front. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRDL5VEH_s
Decisions...
Noob here but have lurked for a while...
Have an opportunity to buy a week old t-mo LG G2 for $420 and am trying decide whether to buy it or wait for the N5; would be my first android phone coming from nokia 920 and many iphones before that, though i do have a 2012 nexus 7; looking for some advice on which to choose...
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I really became accustomed to bln on the captivate and it is the only feature I miss.
Is there a way to port that to the note? I am willing to learn how if someone would point me in the right direction.
I know that there are apps that will do similar things but they seem to drain the battery and I would rather have something built in.
Thanks
Flapjaxxx - AOSPxXx - v0.3A
AndrewKnow said:
I really became accustomed to bln on the captivate and it is the only feature I miss.
Is there a way to port that to the note? I am willing to learn how if someone would point me in the right direction.
I know that there are apps that will do similar things but they seem to drain the battery and I would rather have something built in.
Thanks
Flapjaxxx - AOSPxXx - v0.3A
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I'm no expert, but I believe you have to have a kernal that supports BLN. Since we have no kernal source, my guess would be that it would be a little difficult if not impossible. I could be wrong though.
I had BLN on a GB rom but not on any ICS rom
That's what I was wondering.
I will wait then.
Thanks.
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I will wait then.
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Seriously? You could have BLN in 15mins, but you'll wait indefinitely just to keep some half baked version of ICS???
Are you guys feeling peer pressured to have ICS? Bragging rights? Is that how the kids are competiting these days, who has the best phone with the best OS? Man times are really changing. Back in my day we used to compete with who was the fastest or who could beat who 1v1 [insert applicable sport], or who had the hottest girlfriend.
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Seriously? You could have BLN in 15mins, but you'll wait indefinitely just to keep some half baked version of ICS???
Are you guys feeling peer pressured to have ICS? Bragging rights? Is that how the kids are competiting these days, who has the best phone with the best OS? Man times are really changing. Back in my day we used to compete with who was the fastest or who could beat who 1v1 [insert applicable sport], or who had the hottest girlfriend.
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I think what he/ she is saying that for his/ her specific needs BLN does not outweigh all of the potential attributes from ICS. However, who has the hottest girlfriend is still very important
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I think what he/ she is saying that for his/ her specific needs BLN does not outweigh all of the potential attributes from ICS. However, who has the hottest girlfriend is still very important
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Well I was hoping I could provoke he/she to enlighten me on those attributes... I challenge thee to do so w/o the use of such words as "amazing", "buttery" and "silky".
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However, who has the hottest girlfriend is still very important
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Glad to hear it, carry on... :good:
"Half baked"?
Lolz complaining noobz that don't contribute to the community... this whole site is about development, which goes hand in hand at having the latest firmware...
If you want an os that "just works" go get an iPhone and stop trolling
Oh and how about, built from Google source and not having any of that bloated touch wiz crap as a reason to be on ics?
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"Half baked"?
Lolz complaining noobz that don't contribute to the community... this whole site is about development, which goes hand in hand at having the latest firmware...
If you want an os that "just works" go get an iPhone and stop trolling
Oh and how about, built from Google source and not having any of that bloated touch wiz crap as a reason to be on ics?
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Simmer down, sheesh. I didn't say anything about custom ROMs being half baked, I mean the leaks. There has been like 5 in a month, so to me that means each one is adding to/fixing the previous one. And how am I trolling? I'm starting to get confused about what that even means. And who said anything about iPhones! Dude said he missed his Captivate... You are way off base buddy. Chill out, its Friday. Why you mad?
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Oh and how about, built from Google source and not having any of that bloated touch wiz crap as a reason to be on ics?
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Nope, not good enough for me. I just freeze all that stuff and use a different launcher.
You can't freeze tw..It's a huge huge huge part of the stock os.
400+mb/tw Rom
Under 200mb/aosp Rom...
All that bloat is hogging resources...period.
And if you had read..the op is running aosp from flapjaxx...Not a leak.
I'm not mad..You went on a rant for someone's personal preferences...
AOSP... that means he doesn't have S Pen? I didn't know that was considered bloat.
s pen works to register touch, only thing that doesn't work is the navigation you can do with the button and gestures...which personally i never used before they didn't work...
Again...this is a development forum, with a plethora of choices, if it's not for you then is not for you. just don't dog on people that have different taste.
So no screen shots with the pen and/or writing on said screenshot?
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@AndrewKnow
If you feel I was "dogging" on you, then I apologize for questioning your decision to forgo BLN for ICS. I understand its your decision, I just would like to know what factors bring you to that conclusion... I ask b/c you and I both seem to value BLN, so I suspect your way of thinking is closer to mine than someone who feels BLN is useless.
BlackZenith said:
Seriously? You could have BLN in 15mins, but you'll wait indefinitely just to keep some half baked version of ICS???
Are you guys feeling peer pressured to have ICS? Bragging rights? Is that how the kids are competiting these days, who has the best phone with the best OS?.
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All the girls at ATT get wet when they see my phones.
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So no screen shots with the pen and/or writing on said screenshot?
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@AndrewKnow
If you feel I was "dogging" on you, then I apologize for questioning your decision to forgo BLN for ICS. I understand its your decision, I just would like to know what factors bring you to that conclusion... I ask b/c you and I both seem to value BLN, so I suspect your way of thinking is closer to mine than someone who feels BLN is useless.
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I didn't realize this thread got so exciting.
I do consider BLN useful. However I like a very sleek, smooth, minimal, rom that I can use on a daily basis. I have not seen nor have I really looked for a gingerbread AOSP rom.
The first rom I flashed was a flapjaxxx rom and have followed his work since.
Now lets all move on.
Nothing to see here.
By the way, in CM9 RC1 (hotwire's release) under settings>advanced there's a setting "enable keys notifications: light up tough keys when screen is off, and a notification is received".
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By the way, in CM9 RC1 (hotwire's release) under settings>advanced there's a setting "enable keys notifications: light up tough keys when screen is off, and a notification is received".
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Yea, there is that option in flapjaxxx aosp as well but its a port from another phone (don't recall which one) and doesn't seem to work.
If it works for you then let me know and I will try it out.
Thanks
It's from the galaxy nexus...the flagship ics device.
So it's what aosp was built on initially.
Hi guys,
I am on the fence for getting an Atrix 4G phone, the only reason I want this phone is for the fingerprint sensor. I know that stock 2.3 it works fine but for the past 2 years with Ice Cream sandwich developement, people were saying that it should eventually come to 4.0 and 4.1.
Well has it ever come? Does the finger print sensor work on custom roms of 4.0 or 4.1 yet?
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No. There is a grass roots movement for a new kernel that is in alpha testing stage. Who knows if they will ever get it working though.
No, not yet.
But I am sure that the Kernel Port Project (check my signature) will eventually make some good rom implementations once the kernel has been finalized.
And on a personal note, I don't think it's worth buying a phone with so many other problems (no support, bad quality touchscreen and usb) just
because of a sensor which has always been some kind of a test from Moto (and you can get really good phones like the N4 for the price).
Motorola cancelled the ICS update over SIX months ago. FP scanner has limited functionality in custom roms due to lack of drivers. This question has been answered a million times in a million different threads. Use the search button above. It's not that hard. Also, when in doubt, Google.
SimplicityApks said:
No, not yet.
But I am sure that the Kernel Port Project (check my signature) will eventually make some good rom implementations once the kernel has been finalized.
And on a personal note, I don't think it's worth buying a phone with so many other problems (no support, bad quality touchscreen and usb) just
because of a sensor which has always been some kind of a test from Moto (and you can get really good phones like the N4 for the price).
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The Nexus 4 new is ~$400, the Atrix new is less than $150, I don't see how that is the same price...
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Motorola cancelled the ICS update over SIX months ago. FP scanner has limited functionality in custom roms due to lack of drivers. This question has been answered a million times in a million different threads. Use the search button above. It's not that hard. Also, when in doubt, Google.
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I did a lot of searching and googling, all I found were posts from 2012, nothing new confirming the existence of the support. I would of hoped someone cracked open the drivers and ported them over.
I guess a gingerbread skin of 4.1 could be doable lol...
Toasticuss said:
The Nexus 4 new is ~$400, the Atrix new is less than $150, I don't see how that is the same price...
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Last time I checked, when the N4 was released, a new Atrix was still around 250$, so it seemes the price has gone down, my fault.
But seriously I'd choose the N4 far over the Atrix... even if you have to pay more than double for it now. Still, it's completely your choice and I don't want to persuade you to anything (as I own an Atrix as my only phone and I don't regret buying it).
Probably it's kind of the same with the Atrix like with the Galaxy S4, if you want the features which seem so awesome at first, you will not have the stock android design (and version) no matter what you do.
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The Nexus 4 new is ~$400, the Atrix new is less than $150, I don't see how that is the same price...
I did a lot of searching and googling, all I found were posts from 2012, nothing new confirming the existence of the support. I would of hoped someone cracked open the drivers and ported them over.
I guess a gingerbread skin of 4.1 could be doable lol...
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And wasn't the Atrix 4G advertized at or slightly higher than $400 new when it first came out? Essentially, if you are looking for a cheap decent phone, then yeah, get the Atrix 4G with no Motorola support and support from devs as breakthroughs/updates to custom ROMs happen. Remember, Android 4.0 and up is all afterlife development. On a newer device, Android 4.0 and up is the minimum standard with continued support until the device reaches its end of life and enters into afterlife (the time after the manufacturer drops support)
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
I and many others share your frustration!!
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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Knox is next. Google said to be incorporating it in future builds..so yep..not getting any better
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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That's not good enough. Sure for devices like the Note 2 it would allow a locked phone to become unlocked at any time. But what about devices that never got unlocked like the Note 3 and other future devices? This doesn't resolve their situations.
Also, yes I agree with you OP. I refuse to "upgrade" from this phone to anything else any time soon considering the way these phones are turning into locked up garbage. I'm so grateful for all the work modders and hackers managed to do with this device which allows me to run something as amazing as Cyanogenmod 11 right now. I saw what the stock 4.3+ ROM's look like, yuck. Imagining being stuck with that "forever" is like a nightmare only I'm awake.
Anyways there really is no better alternative to Android at the moment or foreseeable future. If you want a smartphone with even a hint of customizability then Android's your only option.
You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
Agreed for many of the UI changes. But I understand. They have to appeal to Ma and Pa Kettle.
Hopefully at some point they will embrace custom ROMs with a special model like Linkysy did with their L model. But I'm guessing not.
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KennyG123 said:
You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
WhiteEVO said:
Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
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I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
KennyG123 said:
I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
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Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
lacoursiere18 said:
Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
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I always liked the sense interface compared to TW, I've got till Jan, then I'm making a change. keep us posted on your choice L18, would love to run your ROMs!
marcmy said:
Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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A fix is in the works.
KennyG123 said:
You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
MaxBuck said:
None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Assuming I lived and traveled exclusively in areas where one of those carriers had a decent signal, that could be a good approach. Unfortunately that's not the case.
I just wanted to rant a bit, just because I was so excited about Lollipop I could hardly take it. Now that I have tried it on my G2, I was expecting more of the cool animations that Google showed off. I was more or less expecting anything that was updated to the latest version with gapps, there would be a big difference on how the app functioned and presented itself.
I do realize it is an alpha build I was testing, but I was expecting to be wow'd. The dialer was the only thing that actually had the cool animations that were really similar to what Google showed off. I can actually say that I will wait now until there is more things designed around Lollipop and I hope I can still be wow'd.
I guess I don't understand how Google can come up with all these great ideas, but fail to execute them properly. I am certainly no Apple fan boy, but at least Apple can showcase what they have and everyone gets to use it right away. I feel like Google says, this is what are OS can do, but the developers need to do it. Why not show what can be done with their own stuff. I tried Google Music to see if did what the demo showed and nope, just not there yet.
I hope that I am wrong, and Lollipop will mature to something awesome. Mind you, what I did like was how smooth it felt for an alpha build. Something did startup much quicker, but I guess I will have to wait and see how things play out.
Rant over!
splxtreme said:
I just wanted to rant a bit, just because I was so excited about Lollipop I could hardly take it. Now that I have tried it on my G2, I was expecting more of the cool animations that Google showed off. I was more or less expecting anything that was updated to the latest version with gapps, there would be a big difference on how the app functioned and presented itself.
I do realize it is an alpha build I was testing, but I was expecting to be wow'd. The dialer was the only thing that actually had the cool animations that were really similar to what Google showed off. I can actually say that I will wait now until there is more things designed around Lollipop and I hope I can still be wow'd.
I guess I don't understand how Google can come up with all these great ideas, but fail to execute them properly. I am certainly no Apple fan boy, but at least Apple can showcase what they have and everyone gets to use it right away. I feel like Google says, this is what are OS can do, but the developers need to do it. Why not show what can be done with their own stuff. I tried Google Music to see if did what the demo showed and nope, just not there yet.
I hope that I am wrong, and Lollipop will mature to something awesome. Mind you, what I did like was how smooth it felt for an alpha build. Something did startup much quicker, but I guess I will have to wait and see how things play out.
Rant over!
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Well may be you were over excited about it but for sure your opinion is wrong acc to me.
Apps has been designed well I like most the calender app and dialer.
I am not expecting some kind of magic in animations but they are cool.
I bet if the awesome devs didn't get us LP this would be a rage thread about not having LP instead of nitpicking LP. TL;DR count your blessings and be happy that you have the latest version on Android on your device.
He's not nit picking at the devs but at Google themselves.
Lol and what's Google's fault here?
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Atleast you guys got to try it, us d803 own3rs still didnt
I agree. Simple actions like choosing your google accounts from the sidebar aren't even animated. When you tap on the arrow, your accounts simple appear out of nowhere; you would have thought that Google would have at least put in a sliding down animation, or maybe even the slick animation in chrome when you tap on the overflow menu.
mohitgalaxy3 said:
Well may be you were over excited about it but for sure your opinion is wrong acc to me.
Apps has been designed well I like most the calender app and dialer.
I am not expecting some kind of magic in animations but they are cool.
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That's kind of my point. It is just the calendar and dialer that look really nice. Everything else appears to be close, but not quite there yet.
zetsumeikuro said:
I bet if the awesome devs didn't get us LP this would be a rage thread about not having LP instead of nitpicking LP. TL;DR count your blessings and be happy that you have the latest version on Android on your device.
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I did enjoy using Lollipop in it's alpha stage on my device. So my post was nothing in regards to the dev's, it was Google. I'm sure over time things will start coming together, but this was their biggest release, and I guess I was over-hyping myself.
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Atleast you guys got to try it, us d803 own3rs still didnt
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There's now 2 different ROMs available for the D803 (AICP and CM), and a separate D803 kernel (from Render) that can be flashed onto D802 ROMs. And Rev3nt3ch is about to release a separate kernel as well, which should support D803.
All good things come to those who can wait patiently.
Typos courtesy of my Liquified LG G2 (D803).
If having the latest and greatest so soon after launch get a Nexus
"I do realize it is an alpha build I was testing but I was expecting to be wow'd."
That's like being let down when you're told that the bank might deny you a loan because your credit sucks.
Jammol said:
"I do realize it is an alpha build I was testing but I was expecting to be wow'd."
That's like being let down when you're told that the bank might deny you a loan because your credit sucks.
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What? Wait what?
No it's not, it's like being told, "here is what you're gonna get" and then saying "but you're getting it in drips and drabs".
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Do you know what, what ever happened to Google Wowing everyone, everything they used to do made people sit up and take notice, but the past few years everything had been under whelming, since ICS nothing has really changed, colours are dark and flat, icons look dated and boring, they don't pop out at you, after using my nexus 10 since getting official lollipop Im not impressed. And as lg g2 will be skinned you won't tell any difference, you'll get the placebo effect "Omg its rapid" "it's so snappy" yawn everyone says this after every update.
Lollipop is making me happy. Different enough to feel new, but not changing things just for the sake of change. Of course my only experience with it is on my nexus 6, I am still waiting for an official update for my g2 since I need the Wi-Fi calling on T-Mobile. I never watched any of the preview videos from Google, only from tech sites that reviewed it and I didn't notice any differences. Either they showed something drastically different or the alpha builds for the g2 aren't complete, hence the alpha.
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What? Wait what?
No it's not, it's like being told, "here is what you're gonna get" and then saying "but you're getting it in drips and drabs".
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Do you know what, what ever happened to Google Wowing everyone, everything they used to do made people sit up and take notice, but the past few years everything had been under whelming, since ICS nothing has really changed, colours are dark and flat, icons look dated and boring, they don't pop out at you, after using my nexus 10 since getting official lollipop Im not impressed. And as lg g2 will be skinned you won't tell any difference, you'll get the placebo effect "Omg its rapid" "it's so snappy" yawn everyone says this after every update.
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Well. At least Google is leading the race in new design compared to iOS and Windows Phone.
I can't believe I'm going to say this but here goes, ios is starting to look more fresh and clean compared to android, it's vibrant, bright and very good looking, the icons are complex and are very detailed. If iOS had widgets like android does I would jump ship.
Which icons are you talking about? If it's the app icons then complain to the app developers, not Google. Colors and theming are a very subjective thing, I personally like the direction android is going, others don't. The good thing about android is the ability to change it to suit your tastes, install another launcher or a theme changer.
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I can't believe I'm going to say this but here goes, ios is starting to look more fresh and clean compared to android, it's vibrant, bright and very good looking, the icons are complex and are very detailed. If iOS had widgets like android does I would jump ship.
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Fresh and clean? All they did was finally implement things that android has had for ages. They are not innovators, they kang **** once they know what people find interesting.
Just like when nameless put out on the go mode, few weeks after apple made their own version and tried to copyright it.
Seems like you're hanging out with too many douches in skinny jeans that have 6+'s
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Fresh and clean? All they did was finally implement things that android has had for ages. They are not innovators, they kang **** once they know what people find interesting.
Just like when nameless put out on the go mode, few weeks after apple made their own version and tried to copyright it.
Seems like you're hanging out with too many douches in skinny jeans that have 6+'s
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Lol. That was cold man. Lol, cold.
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Remember when Apple said big phones were stupid. Hmph, wonder what happened there.
And honestly I like iPhones but not 6+. Way too big for having nothing new to use that space. No wonder winterboard and such apps exists.
I don't hang around mate, I'm 40, and considering your reply I'll presume you're 12, the LOOK of iOS is fresh and clean. Im sorry but Lollipop is muddy and bland.
Wow I managed to get that out without calling you a ****....... Oops no there it is.
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I don't hang around mate, I'm 40, and considering your reply I'll presume you're 12, the LOOK of iOS is fresh and clean. Im sorry but Lollipop is muddy and bland.
Wow I managed to get that out without calling you a ****....... Oops no there it is.
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You actually did well up until that last part where you ultimately ended up insulting him. -5pts for boasting about not calling him a ****, another -5pts for turning around and calling him a **** in the end, and -10pts for stating that you're 40.
http://bgr.com/2016/06/02/2016-google-nexus-phones/
This could be good or bad.
It could be bad and me might have something like Samsung or LG and never get updates. (however, i dont think it will come to this as i feel that would take almost everything that makes a nexus a "nexus")
It could be good and the "Nexus" line might turn into something more along the lines of "Google Play Edition" or more like a Moto X style rom.
To me this makes much more sense. We still get the essence of pure android with a few cool tweaks.
If this were to be the case the number 1 thing i hope that comes out of it is that the OEM would provide the camera app instead of the garbage one Google has.
This was such the case with the HTC One M7 Google Play Edition (or was it an M8?)
And with HTC rumored to make the next set of Nexus phones we might just get that. Hopefully they dont use a garbage sensor though like HTC has recently been known to do.
What do you guys think this could mean?
We don't run "stock Android" now. All that article means is that the stock rom on Nexus phones will get more built in features.
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Nexus phones aren't selling well so they need something to give them more selling power. The average consumer sees Samsung phones etc with "amazing" feature so will buy that over a Nexus. The fact Google tried to market the 6P more at the mainstream shows that they're truing to get away from a developer type of phone and more features in the software shows this.Im not entirely happy with this, I'd rather have a pure Android phone and be able to the devs cook something better up rather than have a phone with unnecessary features which ultimately slow it down.
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We don't run "stock Android" now. All that article means is that the stock rom on Nexus phones will get more built in features.
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This.
I welcome new, proprietary features in Google's Android. I trust them not to bog down the OS like other OEM's do. After all, it's their OS.
This is great news and what might bring me back to a Nexus phone in the future. Stock Android is way too boring and feature thin imo. I definitely wouldn't mind features added by Google all while not bogging it down and keeping it lean.
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This is great news and what might bring me back to a Nexus phone in the future. Stock Android is way too boring and feature thin imo. I definitely wouldn't mind features added by Google all while not bogging it down and keeping it lean.
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Uhh how about no. The reason I stick with Nexus phones is for the pure android experience. This just says they don't understand their customer base at all, and are instead focused on the people who buy other phones (let them have their other phones).
Read this. It will help explain. Nexus phones are Google's Android complete with their proprietary apps and services. I happen to love it, but it is what it is.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/06/02/its-time-to-let-the-phrase-stock-android-die-opinion/
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Uhh how about no. The reason I stick with Nexus phones is for the pure android experience. This just says they don't understand their customer base at all, and are instead focused on the people who buy other phones (let them have their other phones).
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I don't see it that way at all. I just see this as the next step in the evolution of android. Naturally more and more features are added. The current form of android is much more feature packed than, say, the version that came on the galaxy nexus and previous. Those earlier versions didn't even have quick settings tiles, even though the galaxy s phones did. Would you prefer to be that way still? I sure as hell couldn't do without QS in the drop down. So, if you prefer having those over not having them, then you need to accept the next step. Besides, quick settings are one of MANY features added since the start. Go back to an unmodified galaxy nexus, I'm sure you would hate it after having what you have now. Face it, features get added as the OS matures.
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I don't see it that way at all. I just see this as the next step in the evolution of android. Naturally more and more features are added. The current form of android is much more feature packed than, say, the version that came on the galaxy nexus and previous. Those earlier versions didn't even have quick settings tiles, even though the galaxy s phones did. Would you prefer to be that way still? I sure as hell couldn't do without QS in the drop down. So, if you prefer having those over not having them, then you need to accept the next step. Besides, quick settings are one of MANY features added since the start. Go back to an unmodified galaxy nexus, I'm sure you would hate it after having what you have now. Face it, features get added as the OS matures.
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Right but those are now base features of stock Marshmallow. What I don't want is Google building their own Touchwiz or something else that only the Nexus phones get. That's hardly what I see as the answer. I hate what Samsung, LG, etc. do to the OS on their phones. But I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Read this. It will help explain. Nexus phones are Google's Android complete with their proprietary apps and services. I happen to love it, but it is what it is.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/06/02/its-time-to-let-the-phrase-stock-android-die-opinion/
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Interesting article, but it seems more like a semantics issue than anything. I guess I fall into the group of "Stock Android" meaning as shipped on the Nexus phone by Google. But specifically in that it felt basically functional versus flashy and bloated like the rest of the manufacturers tend to shoot for. I don't want iOS, I don't want Touchwiz, I don't want any of the other variants. So to me it's like AOSP and Stock Android have blended and become synonymous to me. *shrugs*
I really think you're reading way too much into this. All the article says is that Google will be thoughtfully adding more features. Four years ago the quick settings tiles would have been one of these new features. Two years ago the fingerprint reader would have been one of these new features. This year with Android N multi-screen will be one of these new features. These have all been steps forward for Android, adding functionality and improving the UX. Adding new features doesn't mean they're going to add a skin or some of the bloaty crap that Samsung add, it just means new features.
This thread is just a huge facepalm..
Really if Google wants to slap a custom skin over stock android then who am I to care? Google always designs their devices to be customisable. So say you don't like it then you could flash a custom ROM built off of AOSP and you have what you wanted.
The Nexus line has always been built more for the developer crowd, but I have a feeling they're trying to reach out to your average consumer by adding "Features" while still appealing to the developers with the openness that they've always had.
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These assumptions don't make sense and you are reading too much into it. A custom skin? After all the money they spent and researching and developing Material Design? They won't change anything, they will add new features as times goes one. Android N is already an example of this. The design paradigm will change eventually, it will be an evolution to Material Design, just like Material Design succeeded Holo.
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There's always custom ROMs, as long as the bootloader's still easy to unlock who cares if they add more to stock rom, people will always create custom ROMs. If you don't know how to unlock and install a custom ROM then maybe a nexus just isn't for you.
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These assumptions don't make sense and you are reading too much into it. A custom skin? After all the money they spent and researching and developing Material Design? They won't change anything, they will add new features as times goes one. Android N is already an example of this. The design paradigm will change eventually, it will be an evolution to Material Design, just like Material Design succeeded Holo.
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The next change will be a huge one. Too many people complaining about the way MD looks. Even app developers are starting to refuse to use the MD guidelines. Can't say I blame them when people would rather pirate older versions instead of using the MD versions.
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There's always custom ROMs, as long as the bootloader's still easy to unlock who cares if they add more to stock rom, people will always create custom ROMs. If you don't know how to unlock and install a custom ROM then maybe a nexus just isn't for you.
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I wouldn't count on there always being roms. Google has even began not pushing fixes to aosp. Many developers are seeing this. Google will fix something in the release builds but never updating the code to aosp. So aosp stays broken.
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The next change will be a huge one. Too many people complaining about the way MD looks. Even app developers are starting to refuse to use the MD guidelines. Can't say I blame them when people would rather pirate older versions instead of using the MD versions.
I wouldn't count on there always being roms. Google has even began not pushing fixes to aosp. Many developers are seeing this. Google will fix something in the release builds but never updating the code to aosp. So aosp stays broken.
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Sources? That's doesn't seem right to me. MD apps are increasing day by day. If anything, only a niche of people complain about MD, and not because they don't like it, but because they tend to prefer apps not to change the design they have been used to for ages. Recently even Google said Material Design is being adopted at a really fast rate. It won't change any time soon, that is certain.
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Sources? That's doesn't seem right to me. MD apps are increasing day by day. If anything, only a niche of people complain about MD, and not because they don't like it, but because they tend to prefer apps not to change the design they have been used to for ages. Recently even Google said Material Design is being adopted at a really fast rate. It won't change any time soon, that is certain.
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Go look at the Google groups. The people that don't like it just really don't like it. It's not that they don't want things to change. MD is a running joke that people say should have a fisher price copyright to it lol
Me personally. I don't update any app that updates to the MD guidelines. I have like 15 apps with updates that will never be updated
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Go look at the Google groups. The people that don't like it just really don't like it. It's not that they don't want things to change. MD is a running joke that people say should have a fisher price copyright to it lol
Me personally. I don't update any app that updates to the MD guidelines. I have like 15 apps with updates that will never be updated
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So basically less than probably 1% of the users? Good joke. Luckily you aren't a designer and MD is growing faster than ever.
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So basically less than probably 1% of the users? Good joke. Luckily you aren't a designer and MD is growing faster than ever.
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Well considering the people here are the same percentage that mod their devices that is alot of people. I wouldnt call anyone that uses MD a designer. Not hard to find inspiration from a pre-K kids class lol.
I make my own themes and theme the apps on my phone so I personally dont have to worry about MD at all.
Its nots a surprise that alot of people like it. When their first thought of a phone is getting 5hr SOT (losers lol) and their first device was an iphone. What I and many devs find funny is that people were making fun of apple with the fruity design and yet its ok for google. And people wonder why devs dont take the average person seriously.
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Well considering the people here are the same percentage that mod their devices that is alot of people. I wouldnt call anyone that uses MD a designer. Not hard to find inspiration from a pre-K kids class lol.
I make my own themes and theme the apps on my phone so I personally dont have to worry about MD at all.
Its nots a surprise that alot of people like it. When their first thought of a phone is getting 5hr SOT (losers lol) and their first device was an iphone. What I and many devs find funny is that people were making fun of apple with the fruity design and yet its ok for google. And people wonder why devs dont take the average person seriously.
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Bollocks. Care to show some of these themes you make? lol
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Bollocks. Care to show some of these themes you make? lol
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You can find them around. They are all for personal use and I only share them with a few other devs and users on the site. Just have a look for Zelendel and gotham and you will find some older ones easy enough.
I never share my themes with normal users for reasons.